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'If you feel uncomfortable or threatened, report it': Hate crime definition introduced for gardaí

The Garda Commissioner said gardaí want to encourage victims to report these incidents to them.

AN GARDA SÍOCHÁNA has introduced a working hate crime definition as part of its diversity and integration strategy, launched today.

Speaking to reporters at the launch, Garda Commissioner Drew Harris said the definition will guide gardaí who are investigating hate crimes.

“It’s an important day for us and an important day in terms of protecting the vulnerable in society and that we’re here for everyone in society in Ireland, and we’re here to protect them,” he said. 

The issue about hate crime is that it is based on a prejudice-related motive and prejudice related hatred and that has a very disproportionate impact on the victim of hate crime because it feels very personal to them.

“So we want to be sure that we enhance our service to the victims of hate crime and a way of doing that is making sure we are clear about the incidents that are reported to us and that we have a response in terms of the investigation and the supervision of that investigation, towards identifying perpetrators and obviously bringing them to justice.”

In the strategy, a hate crime is defined as:

Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person to, in whole or in part, be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on actual or perceived age, disability, race, colour, nationality, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or gender.

Speaking about a family who featured in a Lidl advertisement and who were recently subjected to racist online comments and death threats, Harris said the matter is still under investigation.

He said gardaí remain in contact with Fiona and Ryan and Jonathan Mathis and are in the process of identifying individuals they believe are suspects.

The commissioner also spoke about possible under reporting of these types of crimes. He said people can suffer what he described as “low grade incidents”, like name calling on the street.

He said gardaí want to get a better idea of the level of hate crime that exists in Ireland to help drive the response.

“We know there’s under reporting we want to encourage reporting, we don’t want victims to be asking ‘is this a crime or is it not a crime?’. If this often happens and you feel uncomfortable with it, you feel threatened, you should report it to An Garda Síochána.”

Harris said there should be a legislative basis for dealing with hate crimes and he expects proposals will be brought forward by the government.

Minister of State David Staunton said the Department of Justice is reviewing the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989 to determine what amendments are required to ensure it is effective and fit for purpose.

“A public consultation on the Act is due to commence shortly. The department is also undertaking research into hate crime, to learn from the experiences of other jurisdictions who have taken different legislative approaches. The results of this research will help develop new approaches to ensure hate crime is addressed effectively in Ireland,” he said.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:33 AM

    I can’t believe my eyes, the Journal actually mentioned Wikileaks and Clinton

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:16 AM

    @Crimson: Ya Crimson read the article they have downplayed it , seemed they had no choice because we the people are awake and have shamed them , look at this youtube video from Ohio approx 20,000 people shamed the media ,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsuekNDK_FI

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:39 AM

    @Crimson: Obama and Joe Bidden threatens Russia directly, and the American people indirectly with dire consequences if Trump wins the elections . Even with nuclear war ? This is probably not about a nuclear war. but a cyber attack. Nevertheless this is very serious, as it will ultimately lead to all out war.
    “President Obama Threatens President Putin with Nuclear War
    by Eric Zuesse.
    “It’ll be at a time of our choosing,” says U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, on NBC’’s “Meet the Press,” to be aired on Sunday, October 16th.
    Whatever Biden’s assignment here actually was from Obama, one thing about it is clear: this President is determined that Hillary Clinton be his successor, and Obama will target anyone who gets in his way if he doesn’t win his way on this. And Obama wants the American public to know that this is how he feels about the matter.
    This Biden-interview is really intended, in that sense, to be a threat aimed at America’s voters, telling them, telling each one of us: Vote for Hillary Clinton, or else! He’s not telling us what that “or else!” is going to be — and maybe he himself has no accurate idea of how far it will ultimately cycle and go. Ultimately, whatever he thinks it would be, might not turn out to be the last step in this cycle of escalation — unless it’s going to go directly to a blitz attack against Russia.
    Obama is thus coercing us, before he coerces Putin. He’s telling us: If we vote against Hillary Clinton — if she loses this election — then President Obama has something in mind that we won’t like — and he won’t wait until the next President is inaugurated on 20 January 2017 to do it, whatever ‘it’ might be. Obama here is threatenting not only Vladimir Putin, but the American people. Even if Obama truly believes that he alone possesses all the power, he does not, unless he possesses the power to terrorize America’s voters to elect Hillary Clinton, even if we otherwise would not.”
    https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/15/president-obama-threatens-president-putin-with-nuclear-war/

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:44 AM

    Very scary stuff. Why is Obama so scared of Trump ? Meanwhile they try to distract the world with allegations of gropings ??

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:05 PM

    That youtube isn’t biased at all

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:06 PM

    @Crimson: the journal totally biased as usual. par for the course here.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:09 PM

    @Karen Ryan: Biased CNN are owned by the Time Warner company, who are one of Hillary Clintons campaign donors.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:17 PM

    One of the strangest aspects of this whole election campaign is that there are people who think Trump is going to win,a deluded minority mind you. I heard they hacked Trump’s emails too but the WikiLeaks team couldn’t translate them from due to the bigly number of grammar mistakes.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:19 PM

    @Crimson: It amazes me how Wikileaks was the champion of the lefties when it exposed Bush’s warmongering, but now that it is exposing the Clintons corruption, to them now it is somehow ‘Russian hackers’ at work.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:22 PM

    Little slip up there switching accounts Crimson,lol! Pretty desperate when you have to use multiple accounts to pretend your outlandish views are common!

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:22 PM

    I’ve read the speech transcripts.. What exactly is so significant about them? She comes across as pretty balanced, nothing much to see here really.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:29 PM

    @Tariq ibn Ziyad: Go away Tariq, or should I say Petr, Jester… LIAM EGAN…you are a pathetic troll.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:37 PM

    @Tariq ibn Ziyad: allah u chocloate achbar !

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:54 PM

    Will we see her correspondence with the Saudi’s soon ? That $22billion arms deal must have left a tidy few emails on her private server . Unless Huma deleted them….

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:54 PM

    There’s no slip up .. it’s the new feature on the journal .. you don’t need to type the person’s name anymore. .

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:03 PM

    Crimson that is embarrassing. Getting into an argument with others on line is sad, staging a full blown conversation with yourself is beyond the pale.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:04 PM
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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:08 PM

    @mr magoo: Perhaps this speech has something to do with it :

    Election Donald Trump: “A moment of reckoning.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQcZMGe4p0&feature=youtu.be

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:08 PM

    @Zx5vZulB: Reply to your own comment and see how stupid you will feel after what you just posted.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:22 PM

    I enjoyed that

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:23 PM

    @Crimson. . You’re wasting your time .. some don’t like being proven wrong …

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:24 PM

    @TIZ, hows things in Syria these days ?

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:30 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: For sure.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:32 PM

    You messed up bro,schoolboy error,take your medicine and quit ranting.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 2:37 PM

    @Pat O’Dwyer:
    Oh dear, oh dear Pat. You must really stop believing everything you read online. If you look hard enough and long enough online, you will find some crackpot literature which will endorse your world view.
    What a way to round up his presidency. By “pressing the switch on the way out”, I think probably refers more to turning off the light in the Oval Office, rather than launching a nuclear strike at Putin.
    Fearmongering at its most transparent. I am not a Clintonite, I think both candidates are flawed, but it appears to me that the only way you can undermine her bid now is by undermining the support around her by quoting as many spurious articles as possible.
    Bile, man, sheer bile.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 2:39 PM

    Tariq ..you’re wrong .. it depends on the device you’re using ..

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    Oct 16th 2016, 3:31 PM

    From the quote alone in this article she suggests that the only reason she wants more regulation is to appease the voters and is nearly apologising for it to them. She also mentions in one of her speeches that the best people to regulate wall Street are the bankers that know it best. This revolving door system has led to the deregulation that caused the financial crash.

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    Oct 17th 2016, 11:11 AM

    @Pat O’Dwyer: You obviously have bought the MSM hype…. They rarely report the news it’s glossy gossip you have embraced UN peace council have admitted the Syrian war is stemmed from warmongering from NATO , USA, Europe, and middleeast …. The news is propaganda stop reading the gossip and go find the truth… 16 October 2016 13:39
    What You Are Not Being Told About the Afghanistan War : The Corbett Report
    corbettreport.com
    https://www.corbettreport.com/what-you-are-not-being-told-about-the-afghanistan-war/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CorbettReportRSS+%28The+Corbett+Report%29 October 7, 2016 marks the 15th anniversary of the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan by US-led NATO forces.

    15 years since the bombs began raining down on the country. 15 years of drone strikes and civilian massacres, detainees and prison torture, insurgency and bombings, warlords and druglords and CIA kickbacks.

    15 years of death. 15 years of destruction.

    And still, like a decades-long nightmare, it continues.

    The world was told that the invasion, launched after the invocation of NATO’s self-defense treaty, was a response to the false flag events of September 11, 2001.

    But this explanation, like the official narrative of the events of 9/11 itself, was a carefully constructed lie. As Professor Michel Chossudovsky of the Centre for Research on Globalization explains, the US government’s demands for Osama Bin Laden’s extradition were proven disingenuous when they repeatedly denied the Taliban’s offers to extradite him, and the invasion itself, a major theatre operation, was launched impossibly quickly.

    That the invasion of Afghanistan had been planned well before 9/11 was first revealed by Niaz Naik, the former Foreign Secretary of Pakistan, who told BBC News that he “was told by senior American officials in mid-July [of 2001] that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.”

    This story was confirmed by Donald Rumsfeld, who told the September 11th Commission Hearings in March of 2004, that the first major national security directive of the Bush administration was a plan to combat the Taliban in Afghanistan. Although it was not officially signed until October 25, 2001, nearly three weeks after the invasion began, it was in fact drafted in June of that year and was sitting on the president’s desk waiting to be signed on September 4, 2001, one full week before 9/11.

    “Dr. Rice has stated that she asked the National Security Council staff in her first week in office for a new presidential initiative on al Qaeda. In early March, the staff was directed to craft a more aggressive strategy aimed at eliminating the al Qaeda threat. The first draft of that approach, in the form of a presidential directive, was circulated by the NSC staff in June of 2001, and a number of meetings were held that summer at the deputy secretary level to address the policy questions involved, such as relating an aggressive strategy against Taliban to U.S.-Pakistan relations.

    “By the first week of September, the process had arrived at a strategy that was presented to principals and later became NSPD-9, the President’s first major substantive national security decision directive. It was presented for a decision by principals on September 4th, 2001, seven days before the 11th, and later signed by the President, with minor changes and a preamble to reflect the events of September 11th, in October.”

    SOURCE: RUMSFELD 9/11 COMMISSION TESTIMONY MARCH 23, 2004

    So if the plan to invade Afghanistan was not about 9/11, then why were the neocons so eager to take over the country?

    Like any major military operation, there are multiple strategic objectives to be achieved.

    Securing a key transportation corridor from rich Caspian Sea oil and gas reserves has always been one important objective of the Afghanistan war.

    But this was by no means the only objective of the invasion.

    From the monetary perspective there is as much as a trillion dollars of untapped mineral wealth in the country that could make it one of the world’s leading mining centres in the coming years, a mineral wealth that has been known about for decades.

    And there is also the fact that the world’s lucrative multi-billion dollar heroin trade sources almost entirely from the country, with up to 90% of the world’s opium coming from the record crops that are being diligently protected by US troops.

    The oil and gas pipelines. The mineral extraction. The opium. All of these are factors in the ongoing occupation of Afghanistan years after any pretence of an excuse for NATO’s presence evaporated. But there is one factor that has made Afghanistan the target of would-be world rulers for centuries: its location.

    In 1904, Sir Halford John Mackinder PC, the Director of the London School of Economics, published an essay in The Geographical Journal titled “The Geographical Pivot of History.” In that essay, Mackinder laid out the “Heartland Theory,” a theory that would come to dominate foreign policy and geostrategic thought.

    The Heartland Theory holds that the earth’s surface can be divided into a “world island,” the “offshore islands” and the “outlying islands.” The “Heartland” lay at the center of the “world island” and the Eurasian landmass, and its importance was summarized in Mackinder’s famous dictum:

    “Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;

    Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;

    Who rules the World-Island commands the World.”

    This is why control of the Central Asian region, and Afghanistan in particular, has been prized by empire since the 19th century, when Britain and Russia engaged in diplomatic struggle, intelligence operations, military conflicts and subterfuge for control over Afghanistan in what was called “The Great Game.” And this is why former National Security Advisor and perennial Washington insider Zbigniew Brzezinski was able to predict in his 1997 magnum opus, “The Grand Chessboard,” that the first major war of the 21st century would take place in Afghanistan.

    Brzezniski had no crystal ball. He did not know that the neocons would be in office in 2001. He had not seen NSPD-9. He did not know how 9/11 would be used as the fig leaf to cover the naked ambition of NATO’s land grab. But he did understand the geostrategic imperatives of world empires, and he knew that control over Central Asia was crucial to control over the world. Without NATO’s Afghanistan toehold, the US hegemon would have no chance of countering China and Russia in the New Great Game of the 21st century.

    This is what Afghanistan was, is and always will be about: empire. The naked ambition of would-be world rulers. As long as that ambition remains unchecked, NATO will continue to keep its forces in the region at any cost. And as Russia and China continue to exert their own influence in the region, that deployment brings us one step closer to direct military confrontation.

    And the people of Afghanistan, once again, are crushed underfoot, mere pawns in the game for world empire.

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    Oct 17th 2016, 5:50 PM

    Enjoyed that no wonder they grasping at straws.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:39 AM

    The Journal with a less than favourable article on Clinton? That explains those 2 pigs that flew by my kitchen window this morning.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:26 PM

    @Keano, I’d say your kitchen wad some mess after that. At least you had plenty of bacon for breakfast.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:38 AM

    Clinton and wikileaks. Great read altogether.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:11 AM

    Enjoyed the one about.
    We discovered Japan.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:07 PM

    Chris Hedges describes the illusion that is U.S. “democracy”

    “The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) will be pushed through whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is president. The fracking industry, fossil fuel industry and animal agriculture industry will ravage the ecosystem whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is president. The predatory financial institutions on Wall Street will trash the economy and loot the U.S. Treasury on the way to another economic collapse whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is president. Poor, unarmed people of color will be gunned down in the streets of our cities whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is president. The system of neoslavery in our prisons, where we keep poor men and poor women of color in cages because we have taken from them the possibility of employment, education and dignity, will be maintained whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is president. Millions of undocumented people will be deported whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is president. Austerity programs will cut or abolish public services, further decay the infrastructure and curtail social programs whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is president. Money will replace the vote whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is president. And half the country, which now lives in poverty, will remain in misery whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton becomes president.”

    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_1_percents_useful_idiots_20160726

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:46 PM

    “my view is I want to defend natural gas. I want to defend repairing and building the pipelines we need to fuel our economy. I want to defend fracking under the right circumstances.” Clinton at a closed doors meeting with Union chiefs. Of course she has a different line when talking to greens.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 2:46 PM

    @LITTLEONE:

    Have you read this one. They are worried about her attacking Bernie Sanders
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11580

    Also this is interesting about securing the Black vote
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6546

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:47 AM

    Well blow me down …. a piece about Clinton ?? Didn’t Trump pinch anyones arse today ???

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:05 AM

    Haven’t you been paying attention he’s not an ass fan, he’s all about the front bottom so to speak?

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:17 AM

    @mr magoo: LOL Mr Magoo

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:40 AM

    So Hilary gives speech to Wall St broadly in line with her public position and tells them their excesses have to be reigned in.
    This is ” Man crosses road and arrives safely on othe side” kinda stuff.
    I have serious concerns about Hillary, even more about Trump but this article is insipid and pointless.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:35 AM

    Newstalk is the worst for bias against Trump, to be expected I guess because DOB is a big contribution to the Clinton foundation

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:44 AM

    @Alanearls: Shhh, you’re not supposed to mention the king of litigants. Someone and their granny will be sued.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:50 AM

    Not one journalist at Newstalk will even raise tge issue of wikileaks and all the truly frightening stuff about Clinton ?? They prefer to laugh and sneer at Trump but not a word about Clinton. I guess they won’t bite the hand that feeds them considering Denis O’Brien owns Newstalk and a piece of Clinton too

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:06 PM

    @mr magoo: A media willing to take on serial litigants with deep pockets, instead of working for them, will need to be paid a salary and pension by the non-billionaire public that will allow them to do that. And their legal fees.

    And if we want journalists willing to criticize islam we’ll also need to pay, as taxpayers or otherwise, for security for them and their families, probably for the rest of their lives.

    Old fashioned newspapers paid for by subscription could do it, if the reading public will put their money where their mouths are. Information, and freedom of speech, have to be paid for. If we don’t do it we’ll end up with a media like that of the US.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:52 PM

    The only one on any radio that TRIES to ask a few awkward questions of BOTH is George Hook

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:53 PM

    George Hook at least tries!!

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:23 AM

    Hillary will make Maggie Thatcher look like mother Theresa.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:29 AM

    Poor analogy… if you paid attention you’d know the journal Uber lefties actually think Mother Theresa is undeserving of her reputation and a devil incarnate equal to that of Secretary Clinton.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 2:11 PM

    @Drew TheChinaman Mother Theresa actually thought the poor suffering was a good thing and let them die without pain medication because of it. Not to mention her attempts to convert her “patients” to Catholicism, people who were poor, sick and desperate. Don’t let these facts or the fact I argue with “Uber lefties” on here most days get in the way of your misguided world view though. I agree the original analogy was poor though.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:54 AM

    Clinton secret paid speech to bank: “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it , powering growth and opportunity for everyone in the hemisphere.”

    What an idealist. Of course she’ll continue to support America’s long standing de facto policy of unrestricted illegal immigration because that serves the interests of the affluent by providing cheap labour and boosting corporate profits. And anyone who objects is a racist, bigoted, knuckle dragging unAmerican pleb. Naturally.

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/784535760418603012

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:25 PM

    Nice goal if you ask me. Trump of course has hired illegal immigrants in construction, under paying them and outright refusing to pay them then threatening to get them deported. He also was publicly called out on Letterman going on about American produce while having to read out where his clothes range was made, China.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 5:30 PM

    @Kal Ipers: No one is asking you though. That’s kind of the point. Most Americans don’t want open borders ever, let alone in the short term. Presidents are, at least in theory, supposed to represent what people want.

    And of course Trump has benefited from illegal labour. And of course he’s a hypocrite. I don’t support him. But being a hypocrite doesn’t mean you’re wrong you know. Wage earning Americans have actually borne most of the costs of mass immigration into the US and the outsourcing of manufacturing to third world countries. While affluent hypocrites like Trump, Hillary and Letterman disproportionately benefit from it. As do most of the affluent middle classes who spend their time sneering at Les Deplorables.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 8:26 PM

    @Marlowemallow: the thing is … that the kind of manufacturing that had “good jobs” have gone away because of technology not because of illegals
    By far, the majority of the work taken by illegals is the kind of work Americans don’t want to do
    Manufacturing got weird with Labour Unions and people were being paid unsustainable wages
    which made outsourcing unskilled jobs attractive, that’s just a fact
    They don’t have carriage repair shops anymore, they don’t really employ horse shoe repair lads as an occupation (there is one kind but it’s minuscule)
    There ARE good paying jobs out there, but they require math/science type degrees

    Hope that this helps :)

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    Oct 16th 2016, 9:36 PM

    @West Cork Lad: No. The work done by legal and illegal immigrants everywhere is work that was previously done by… other people. It’s not a newly invented category of unpalatable work. They’re simply willing to do it for less pay and worse terms and conditions. That’s why business lobbies like open borders. It’s supply and demand.

    Automation certainly did away with many manufacturing jobs. Others, however, were simply outsourced because labour was cheaper elsewhere. Much of that manufacturing is now done by hand in third world sweatshops, not by any kind of advanced technology, because that’s cheaper.

    Yes, labour unions made labour uncompetitive with the third world. Living in anything more than third world conditions will make you uncompetitive with the third world, as a rule, so competing with them is probably unwise unless you’d like to live a third world lifestyle.

    Of course there are good paying jobs out there. That’s why the middle classes don’t give much of a shit about the destruction of a once prosperous wage earning class. We collectively threw them under the bus in the 1980′s. And the turn of the middle class is coming. Middle management, IT functions etc. can all be outsourced too. That’s when the howls of protest tend to start.

    That situation is unsustainable in the long term as the US is demonstrating. Societies which fail to provide useful work for their unskilled, semi-skilled and skilled wage earning class, well, they fail in the long run. Always.

    The only question is how violent that failure will be – we’re following the US model so give us 20-30 years and we’ll be due the same civil unrest and demagoguery that they’ve earned for themselves.

    That’s where political economy should come into it. The affluent classes including the upper middle class could, in theory, get a grip, agree to pay a little more for your next Ipod and your cheap manicure so that your unskilled fellow citizens can earn a decent wage, so your kids don’t end up living in a gated community hoping that the growing ranks of Les Deplorables don’t vote in a Trump.

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    Oct 17th 2016, 1:27 PM

    @Marlowemallow:

    “No. The work done by legal and illegal immigrants everywhere is work that was previously done by… other people. It’s not a newly invented category of unpalatable work.”

    Nice try but no cigar. You are making an assumption that work is static. It is not. Labour needs change over time. There are also contributory factors that impact the labour pool. For example, one of the largest employers of undocumented workers is restaurants. The number of restaurants and the number of Americans eating out x quantity of meals has exploded in the past 20 years. Concurrently,, the prison industrial complex has also exploded, sending large percentages of black males (proportional percentage to non/blacks significantly higher) into incarceration. In some areas, half of the eligible black males are incarcerated. Historically, black males have occupied the role of unskilled labourer. Nature abhors a vacuum and so does labour markets. The US labour market has shifted to low pay, unskilled, service jobs at the same time the blacks are being locked up by the millions, creates the demand for undocumented to fill those positions.

    Hope that this helps :)

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:34 AM

    C u next Tuesday

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:43 AM

    @liam hayes: hillary is home and hosed, its karma for trump, perfect karma

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:18 AM

    @michael collins: ahh karma the religion of fools

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:52 AM

    It is a tad “akward” isn’t it ?? Hope it doesn’t set Michelle Obama off whinging about impropriety of politicians being in bed with the banksters

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:43 AM

    I know people put a lot of time into their comments on this site but they have very little impact in the grand scheme of things.

    As such can probably stop worrying about the impartiality of TheJournal.ie.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:51 AM

    DA, spot on. And remember one thing the looney left love playing the victim.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:05 AM

    @Tom Kelly: the alt right certainly get a lot of platform in the comments on The Journal.ie

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:17 AM

    @Tom Kelly: while the Looney right like to blame the victims

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:19 PM

    The alt-right posters here are 99% early school leavers who hate anything different,victim blaming is right. As pointed out by D.A. above,they reside in a platform vacuum,empty vessels springs to mind.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 2:19 PM

    @D.A. Molony:
    I love to know how much effort you would put into exercising your freedom of speech, if you knew your whole way of life was in peril, and that of your family and friends. People who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:48 AM

    Failing to use the email issue was a big own goal by the Sanders primary campaign.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:47 AM

    My God, what an evil woman.
    Hopefully the American electorate will show her the door.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:49 AM

    Well if shes evil whats your definition of trump?

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    Oct 16th 2016, 10:55 AM

    If she was up against anyone other than trump these revelations would be concerning. For all her faults she pales in the face of the embodiment of the lowest common denominator that trump surely is. The most reductive form humanity can take before it becomes unrecognisable. The end stage exemplar of capitalism

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:04 AM

    @John Mullan: an accurate description of Trump which gets to the essence of what Trump is and what Trump represents.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:44 AM

    That makes no sense. Hillary has no discernible business interests or invested capital. She has never produced any value-added product. She has become extremely rich through wielding political power, a power which offers to benefit or harm business interests (or both, selectively). She is the end stage exemplar of what happens when the state acquires too much power and becomes immersed in the economic process.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:53 AM

    Neither Hillary nor Trump are the end stage of anything. Late 19th century America was a small state, free market experiment and produced no Trump. Eisenhower’s US was far more statist and interventionist than today’s US and produced no Hillary. Whoever gets elected, politics will go on.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:15 AM

    “Wow I nearly chocked on my cornflakes”.. congratulations to the journal i guess, for running a clinton wiki story…

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:44 PM

    Any of you hillarybots have an opinion on the email about destroying syria, targetting iran and threatening assads family, would love to hear what you think about it

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:24 AM

    Bill Clinton is praying that trump wins the election.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 3:56 PM

    Permanent staff of the white house are praying with him. :-P

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:50 PM

    The Clinton campaign has removed a statement from its Web site declaring that all survivors of sexual assault “have the right to be believed” — after being reminded that Bill Clinton was accused of rape decades ago.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:17 AM

    It’s not important that the next president gets paid – and then some- by Goldman Sachs. I’m sure journalists will soon be revealing tales of G S execs grabbing pu$$ie which is what every voter needs to be concerned about.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:09 AM

    Wikileaks, the website of the man hiding out to dodge rape charges of his own is pro Donald ‘sexual assault’ Trump and trying to sink his opponents campaign…

    *slow clap* BIG surprise there.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:19 AM

    @Drew TheChinaman :): https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

    “This fallacy avoids the argument by shifting focus onto something’s or someone’s origins. It’s similar to an ad hominem fallacy in that it leverages existing negative perceptions to make someone’s argument look bad, without actually presenting a case for why the argument itself lacks merit.”

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:07 PM

    @Drew TheChinaman :): fascist

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    Oct 16th 2016, 1:30 PM

    Then how about the fact that they said they have stuff on Trump but haven’t released anything? Interfering in an election for their own ends. I’d like to have the freedom to access their donor information

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    Oct 16th 2016, 5:33 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: And if they are hypocrites with an agenda, that makes the information they’ve released on Hillary no more or less true. Talking about their bias is just a way of avoiding talking about Hillary.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 5:51 PM
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    Oct 16th 2016, 2:46 PM

    Is the name of this website supposed to be ironic? Because there’s no evidence of any journalism. Anyone can copy and paste from AFP.
    Give the Washington Times a gawk.
    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/14/seven-more-hillary-clinton-scandals-exposed-wikile/

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    Oct 16th 2016, 11:06 AM

    Ahh it’s just locker room talk

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:47 PM

    With all the hype about wiki leaks. Nothing there. So sad for trump lovers

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    Oct 16th 2016, 4:50 PM

    @tony walsh:
    Doesn’t matter about what might be in a WikiLeak. There’s enough below link to disqualify Crooked Hillary from even walking the street never mind being elected back in to the cash reg. where she helped herself at the cost of 1000′s of lives in Syria and the rest of the ME.
    —-”’As of February 2015, foreign sources accounted for about one-third of all donors who had given the Clinton Foundation more than $1 million, and over half of those who had contributed more than $5 million.10 Foreign donors that gave money to the Foundation included: Hezbollah supporter Issam Fares, who once served as deputy prime minister of Lebanon;11 the Dubai Foundation, which also gave money to the families of Palestinian terrorists killed in action;12 the royal family of the United Arab Emirates; a Dubai-based company that promotes Sharia Law;13 a privately-held Chinese construction and trade conglomerate headed by a delegate of the Chinese parliament;14 and the governments of Saudi Arabia, Brunei, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar.15

    Even during Clinton’s tenure (2009-13) as secretary of state, the Clinton Foundation received millions of dollars in donations from seven foreign governments.

    Bill Clinton earned a total of $48 million from foreign sources for his appearance and speaking fees during his wife’s term as secretary.—-”
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/10/hillary-clintons-long-record-of-enabling-the-global-jihad

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    Oct 16th 2016, 8:16 PM

    @Patrick J O’CONNOR:
    Clinton FoundationéWould you trust HillaryÉ
    —“The Clinton Foundation’s finances are so messy that the nation’s most influential charity watchdog put it on its “watch list” of problematic nonprofits last month.

    The Clinton family’s mega-charity took in more than $140 million in grants and pledges in 2013 but spent just $9 million on direct aid.

    The group spent the bulk of its windfall on administration, travel, and salaries and bonuses, with the fattest payouts going to family friends.—-“
    http://nypost.com/2015/04/26/charity-watchdog-clinton-foundation-a-slush-fund

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    Oct 16th 2016, 9:20 PM

    The election was decided years ago. Do you honestly believe an outsider like trump has any hope.

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    Oct 17th 2016, 9:30 AM

    I too am amazed that the Journal.ie mentioned anything negative about Clinton and Wikileaks. Very strange. I heard this morning from a source close to Julian Assange that his internet was cut off. Not sure if it is true. Its serious for the Democrats and establishment now. If Trump wins they will face long jail terms for their crimes.

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    Oct 16th 2016, 12:20 PM

    Would have been a great tune for Trumps entrance to the debates. Evil Woman, ELO

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