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Niall Collins and Timmy Dooley have both apologised for the controversy. Laura Hutton/PA

Why was there such a big fuss over 'Votegate' and what happens next?

There have been calls for a review of the voting system, but some TDs have said deputies simply need to follow the rules.

“IT WAS ALMOST allowed to develop into an Irish Watergate…”

This is how independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan summed up what has now become known as Votergate, a controversy that dominated the political agenda this week, with politicians lining up to have their say and take a swing at the Fianna Fáil TDs who started it all.

It emerged last weekend that the party’s justice spokesperson Niall Collins had pressed the voting button of his colleague Timmy Dooley in the Dáil six times in one session.

Collins cast votes for these motions for both himself and Dooley. He claimed he thought his colleague was at the back of the chamber on a phonecall. 

We now know that Dooley was not in the Dáil chamber at the time – in fact at one stage he left the grounds of Leinster House altogether. 

After the news broke in Saturday’s Irish Independent, the Ceann Comhairle ordered a report from the Committee on Procedure into the incident involving the two Fianna Fáil TDs. Party leader Micheál Martin decided to suspend the two deputies from the front bench pending the outcome of the Dáil investigation and the party’s own inquiry into the incident. 

Then on Monday morning Fianna Fáil’s Lisa Chambers made an admission – she also (inadvertently) voted for one of her absent colleagues during the same session, before pushing her own button.

She accidentally sat in Dara Calleary’s seat, she explained, but she accepted that she should have told the teller so that the record could be corrected.

“It was an honest and genuine mistake,” she said in an interview on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland.

‘Suspect behaviour’

Later that morning, Justice Minister (and Fine Gael TD) Charlie Flanagan was happy to take a number of questions from reporters on the issue when he attended the launch of a Halloween safety campaign.

He threw out phrases like “illegal”, “serious misdemeanour” and “suspect behaviour” to describe the alleged conduct of the opposition party TDs.

Flanagan had that morning divulged that he himself had pressed voting buttons for colleagues too in the past.

That was different he insisted – those people were in the room at the time and the Dáil standing orders state the person must be in the chamber when the doors are sealed in order to be entitled to vote.

Several TDs confessed to the lesser crime of pushing a colleague’s voting button for them while they were in the room. It is common practice, they all explained – and there’s nothing in the rules to state they can’t do it. 

Then it was Barry Cowen’s turn under the spotlight. He was already embroiled in the Dooley/Collins controversy, as he and Collins were sitting in each other’s seats for the session in which Dooley’s phantom votes were cast.

“I’m voting on his, he’s voting on mine but it saves us reaching across each other,” he told the Votegate review, which had been ordered by the Ceann Comhairle. 

Separately someone dug out Dáil footage from 26 September which showed Cowen entering the chamber after a vote had been cast at his seat. He has insisted he never asked a colleague to vote for him when he was not in the Dáil chamber. 

Fine Gael ministers  Eoghan Murphy and Michael Ring also had to defend themselves when questions were raised about their votes on motions in January and October. Both men have said they were present for those votes. 

‘They can’t be trusted’

Press releases had flooded into newsdesk inboxes, including one from Fine Gael TD Martin Heydon on Sunday with the headline ’14 questions FF have yet to answer on Dooley/Collins voting scandal’. 

TheJournal.ie asked all of the political parties on Monday whether any of their TDs had ever voted for an absent colleague.

A speedy response came back on behalf of Solidarity TDs Ruth Coppinger and Mick Barry – neither have ever voted for a colleague in their absence. The Social Democrats said the same, as did Labour and People Before Profit.

“I spoke to all [two of] our TDs this morning and they assure me they have not,” a Green Party spokesperson replied. 

Fine Gael’s Chief Whip Sean Kyne said he was not aware of any of the party’s TD having voted for a colleague in their absence. When asked whether he had checked with them all, he responded “No. I have not.”. 

A Sinn Féin spokesperson confirmed they had checked in with all of their TDs. 

“This is not normal practice and goes to show why Fianna Fail cannot be trusted,” they added.

The next day the Irish Independent reported that Sinn Féin’s former leader Gerry Adams mistakenly voted for his former colleague Peadar Tóibín on legislation to hold an abortion referendum in March 2018. 

Tóibín left the party over his opposition to abortion. He also was not in Leinster House on the day. 

Sinn Féin said Adams had been allocated  a new seat a number of weeks earlier and inadvertently voted in Tóibín’s seat. They said Dáil officials were alerted to the error on the same day. 

At Leaders’ Questions on Tuesday Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said “we must apply to people in this House the same standards as we would apply to ordinary citizens going out to vote on voting day, on election day or on referendum day”. 

“If an ordinary citizen voted twice, for example, and voted for somebody else as well as themselves, that would be a crime,” he told TDs. 

“In order to allay any concerns or confusion, I think we should all now be in our seats for all votes from now on.”

‘I was looking at his face’

On Thursday, the  Dáil Committee on Procedure published its report called for an entire review of the voting system, calling for  greater “transparency and clarity” on electronic voting,

It said that it would not be “legally appropriate” for the committee to demand sanctions against TDs. 

Dooley told the committee that he did not ask Collins to press his button and only found out it had happened when he received a call from a journalist about it. Collins said be believed his colleague was at the back of the chamber on the phone, but acknowledged “alarm bells” should have rung when Dooley did not return to his seat 20 minutes later. 

When asked why Dooley could be seen in footage pointing to the voting machine, Collins told the committee that he had “no idea”. 

“I was looking at his face and not his hands,” he said. 

Speaking in the Dáil, Dooley apologised for giving his colleague the impression that he would be in the chamber during the vote. 

“I accept and regret that my conduct has led to a controversy that is unwelcome to this House and all its members,” he said. Collins also apologised for his role in what happened, as did Barry Cowen and Lisa Chambers. 

TDs from other parties in the chamber got another chance to lambaste them.

Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald said their actions “caused damage to the Dáil” and reflected “the worse politics of low standards in high places”.

She said the Fianna Fáil deputies have shown themselves to be “cavalier, arrogant and entitled”. 

Rise TD Paul Murphy told the Dail that the revelations were “utterly scandalous”. 

“It demonstrates deeply the existence of double standards regarding how ordinary people would be treated if they attempted to get someone else to vote for them and how Deputies feel they can act.”

Bríd Smith said there is a public perception that there is “no comeback for any of the wrongdoing” in Leinster House. The report from the Committee on Procedure did not recommend sanctions or disciplinary action against the deputies involved in the controversy.

“Yesterday, during questions to the Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection, we found out that over 50,000 jobseekers have been sanctioned financially through JobPath,” the People Before Profit TD said.

She said people are “shocked to wake up and find out that there will be no sanctions for this behaviour”.

We need accountability and sanctions on those Deputies who voted for others who were not in the Chamber. Otherwise we are holding this democracy in contempt and feeding the cynicism of so many people about our democracy and what happens in this House.

But some TDs called for a reality check.

Galway TD Catherine Connolly said that she had more time to talk about Votegate in the Dail than she had to talk about the 38 people on hospital trolleys in her county.

“I would have thought that the leader of the Fianna Fáil party, Deputy Micheál Martin, would have come into the House, apologised and sat down,” she said.

Wrong was done, votes were taken in the absence of someone out of the Chamber and that is against the Constitution and article 15.11.1°. It should not have happened, end of story.

Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan pointed out that there are “examples of parliaments around the world that are corrupt, where physical violence has broken out, where there is blatant self interest among the members and where there are connections with criminality.”

“There is one parliament in Latin America where a significant number of members are up on charges in another jurisdiction for drugs trafficking.”

She said this controversy was “almost allowed to develop into an Irish Watergate, such was the potential for sensationalism and opportunism before all of the facts were known”.

One recommendation called for a wider review of the voting system. I do not see the need to change a system which was and is respected by the majority of the Members. There would be an extra expense involved in a card system, which could also be open to abuse, or a fingerprint system. That would be a terrible waste of finance, unless, perhaps, the deputies involved in this issue would be picking up the bill.

She reminded TDs that they “are all adults” and they simply have to abide by the rules.

“The system is fine. We do not think there is a problem but members involved in this situation should be dealt with. It is a reminder to us all that, as people have said, it is an honour and a privilege to be elected to this House. We just have to live up to that.”

Timmy Dooley and Niall Collins are still suspended from the Fianna Fáil front bench, but it is unclear what further action, if any, will be taken by the party’s leader. 

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    Jan 27th 2020, 5:50 PM

    If this was any other joe soap he would have been hauled in for questioning at least,hows he getting away with it

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    Jan 27th 2020, 5:58 PM

    @nicknack: Because he’s not Joe Soap

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:25 PM

    @ApexSnow: Joe Swarfega Jizer Degreaser ?

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:57 PM

    @nicknack: I’m sure the president will be visiting Buckingham Palace at some stage further on in proceedings. A nice private discussion with the “honourable” Mr Trump will go a long way to settling this.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:00 PM

    @Eugene Walsh: reptile people.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:02 PM

    @nicknack: is he accused of breaking any laws in the US? I thought he was accused of having sex with the girl in the UK? Unless he is accused of a crime he can’t be extradited, he would have to volunteer. Sorry if I’m wrong, I’m not up to speed on the story.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:27 PM

    @Tommy C: And while they are having that discussion, Mr Trump can explain why they are not extraditing Anne Sacoolas in connection with the death of Harry Dunn,you know the saying ‘ You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours’.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:42 PM

    @nicknack: I’m confused I assumed a person was innocent until proven guilty and as the man is dead i cannot see how he can get a fair trial ? from what I can see he has been found guilty on unproven accusations and looking at the comments I hope I’m never accused of annything and am unable to prove my innocence….

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:53 PM

    @ApexSnow: No he’s Joe Saxe Coburg Gotha

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    Jan 27th 2020, 8:34 PM

    @Peter donnelly: we are but the rabel getting a smell of fish and assuming the smell is fish

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    Jan 27th 2020, 5:51 PM

    Of course he won’t cooperate he is taking his family to pizza express the day they want to question him. It’s totally believable.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 5:53 PM

    And yet Meghan Markle is supposedly the ‘Black Sheep’ of “The Royal Family”.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:03 PM

    @Matt Rogers: well that’s because she’s a blow in, they protect their blood and tarnish everybody else… Diana,Fergie

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:38 PM

    @Matt Rogers: never met a person in real life who gives a shit about the Meghan markle crap. Just like I’ve never met a person in real life who has anything good to say about Frau Greta. Gets the noggin joggin

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    Jan 27th 2020, 9:44 PM

    @Ollie Egan: You could nearly say young Harry is a blow in too, considering he’s not royal blood!

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:03 PM

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:26 PM

    The top brass protect their paedos. They always do.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 5:51 PM

    What if they tell him he can judge little miss America? Need some leverage to get info out of Uncle Andy.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 5:47 PM

    So he won’t get Epsteined

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:31 PM

    @RAYZ88: Andrew is a greatly misunderstood gentleman.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:01 PM

    Guilty people rarely are cooperative.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:08 PM

    Well if it was anything like the TV interview, he would end up doing 20 years. Imagine that dope sitting down with a professional interviewer without having the questions first. He would implicate himself in minutes without even knowing

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:26 PM

    Could be worse, he could’ve done something really bad like move to Canada.

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    Epstien didn’t kill himself..

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:21 PM

    @Tomas: really? jaysus.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:39 PM

    @Tomas: Epstein signed signed his Last Will an Testament on August 8th, 2 days before his was found dead in his cell, an clear indication of his intentions. The Will placed his $577 million fortune in an off shore trust, in the US Virgin Islands. Here lawyers explain how the arrangements are designed to place his assets out of reach of his victims:

    https://youtu.be/vIxPe2yU5r4

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    Jan 27th 2020, 8:21 PM

    @David Jordan: so he knew he was going to die. No way! That happens when you can expose very powerful individuals. Having a will in order would be a pertinent thing to do. Considering…

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    Jan 28th 2020, 1:03 AM

    @David Jordan: Prob because he was gonna get life in prison, not rocket science he’d make a will before that is it?

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    Jan 28th 2020, 3:36 AM

    @Dougal67: you can still make it amend a will in jail..

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    Jan 28th 2020, 9:14 AM

    @Fabio Dillon: Yes but could also be because he was gettin sent down for life, not too far of a stretch he wanted to get his affairs in order beforehand, hardly a suicide note is it, if he was thinking that far ahead I’m sure he would’ve left one??

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:54 PM

    The US diplomats wife that knocked down and killed a young lad isn’t cooperating either. Maybe they could do a prisoner exchange

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:15 PM

    I don’t think any tears would be shed if Randy Andy decided to leave this world… Royal sc_um…

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:19 PM

    HOW will we ever unite Ireland if we don’t grow up and revere British royalty?
    All right thinking people etc

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:22 PM

    2 guards were suspended for falsifying records that they were checking on prisoners, WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT THEY WERE ON AUTOTRADER LOOKING UP NEW BMW’s

    Fixed it for you…

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:43 PM

    Harry now sorted, not much more news there… so back to Andy, that story can be stretched.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 6:13 PM

    Shameful prince Andrew should extradition to NY

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:30 PM

    Probably afraid of getting suicided like Epstein.
    Protect the circle at all costs

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    Jan 27th 2020, 10:36 PM

    Swap him with Anna Sacoolas, fair trade

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    Jan 27th 2020, 9:14 PM

    US ‘uncooperative’ in UK’s extradition request on the hit and run driver that killed an innocent young English man… Oh wait the American can do whatever they want and get away with it. My bad.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 9:38 PM

    @Irish Snowden: there is no extradition request by the Americans for Andrew, he would have to volunteer and that’s not going to happen.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 10:59 PM

    @Connoroconner: We know mate, just saying they expect everyone to have it their way

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    Jan 28th 2020, 11:05 AM

    How about an exchange for the Killer Anne Sacoolas

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    Jan 28th 2020, 6:45 PM

    In fairness to Prince Andrew, he has a rare medical condition, acquired during the Falklands war, that prevents him from cooperating with any inquiry.

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    Jan 27th 2020, 7:08 PM

    F**k you I won’t do what you tell me

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