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Bust of Johnathan Swift in the Long Room, Trinity College Dublin. Shutterstock.com

'Should we admit this is a gesture?': Staff at Trinity College called for clarity ahead of call out for more women sculptures

The university has asked staff and students to nominate the first female scholar to be memorialised in a bust.

STAFF AT TRINITY College Dublin said the university isn’t “exactly going to right the wrongs of history” by commissioning busts of female scholars for its library, emails released under Freedom of Information show. 

Earlier this month, the university asked staff and students to nominate the first female scholar to be memorialised in a bust for the Long Room, the main chamber of the Old Library, the Irish Times reported. 

In an email to students and staff, Trinity Provost Patrick Prendergast said it was time to make Trinity’s public spaces “more representative of our diversity”.

Prior to the email, however, Trinity staff made a number of suggestions for how the university should phrase matters. 

One suggestion was to change “some sculpture busts of women” to “two sculpture busts of women” because, as one staff member suggested, the word ‘some’ “might be inadvertently vague and not as deliberate as this action and project aims to be”. 

“Obviously, we cannot redress the balance completely without a completely different approach,” they said. 

For the past 300 years, The Long Room at Trinity has only displayed busts of men.

The 40 marble sculptures lining the main chamber include representations of Edmund Burke, Johnathan Swift and Isaac Newton. The Long Room itself dates back to the 1730s. 

The absence of women lining the room was noted back in 2014 by American journalist and social commentator Mona Eltahawy during a visit to Trinity in which she called on the university’s Philosophical Society to “agitate” for more representations of women. 

Internal emails show that the university was considering a commission for sculptures of women as far back as February.  

Before announcing the commissioning, the university considered whether or not to go along with the suggestion that the commission to include female scholars was, by and large, a gesture.

Wrote one staff member: “Should we admit this is a gesture and we know including some or two isn’t exactly going to right the wrongs of history, but that it is that – history – and we are proposing to make a change for the present and the future generations?”

In the end, Trinity opted to simply specify “some sculpture busts of women” in its commissioning brief. 

Prendergast said nominations will be considered by a committee chaired by himself and other members of the college community and that commissioning the new sculpture will follow the same criteria for previous busts – the subject must have been a scholar, although not necessarily at Trinity, and be deceased.

Nominations will be considered until 1 December. 

A number of suggestions have already been publicly made, including commissioning busts of writer Maeve Brennan, doctor Kathleen Lynn and Skibbereen-born astronomer Agnes Clerke. 

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    Mute Rebecca De Stanleigh
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    Nov 6th 2019, 7:01 AM

    We all know that the majority of academic achievers throughout history have been men as men have been afforded more privilege and opportunity to excel in education.

    I’m a woman and I get that. I am also a TCD grad. It’s no big deal. History is history. No need to change it.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 7:18 AM

    @Rebecca De Stanleigh: It’s not really history though, is it?

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    Mute Brendan Gordon
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    Nov 6th 2019, 9:34 AM

    @Lisa Saputo: Commemoration of the impactful actions of people in the past. Yes, that is very much history.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 10:11 AM

    @Lisa Saputo: Of course it is Lisa, what else do you call that which has happened in the past?
    We cannot change the past but we can try to reflect the present more accurately for now and for posterity.

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    Mute Rebecca De Stanleigh
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    Nov 6th 2019, 1:15 PM

    @Lisa Saputo: yes it is. Funnily enough I did my under and post grad in history.

    So I’m pretty sure I know what history is. Thanks though.

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    Mute Rebecca De Stanleigh
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    Nov 6th 2019, 1:22 PM

    @Lisa Saputo: gas how every sculpture is of a famous person in history isn’t it? Christ your comment annoyed me

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    Nov 6th 2019, 3:07 PM

    @Rebecca De Stanleigh:

    Ha! Well said Rebecca. I find it very difficult to understand how anyone can think this way about such a trivial thing as an old sculpture. I wouldn’t have given it a second thought, never mind make such a fuss. It would be like a man complaining about the Mona Lisa, as no portrait of a man is its equal.

    Some people seem to just be looking for things to get upset and angry about. Strange people.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 6:04 AM

    Zzzzzzzzzz

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    Nov 6th 2019, 6:15 AM

    @Paul O Faolain: equality is boring for you eh?
    You must live a jet setters lifestyle

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    Nov 6th 2019, 7:30 AM

    @Paul O Faolain: Not, woke folk!

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    Nov 6th 2019, 6:26 PM

    @Barry Somers: All those bust are of men, but Anglo Protestants. Surely, representation would mean adding a few Irish men & and not just ‘women’…

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    Nov 6th 2019, 6:49 AM

    We all now know that gender is fluid and a mere social construct; therefore, there is no need for this change.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 9:34 AM

    @Mary’s Abbey: It’s not a change, it’s an addition. They aren’t chucking out half.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 11:56 AM

    @Mary’s Abbey: you people really only have one joke, huh?

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    Nov 6th 2019, 7:21 AM

    I’m surprised millennial snowflakes and the pc Brigade haven’t cried foul on this by asking for gender neutral statues!!

    #freaks
    #weirdoes

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    Nov 6th 2019, 7:36 AM

    @Jonny: ok boomer

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    Nov 6th 2019, 7:42 AM

    @Dave Byrne: millennial weirdo go and live in your own little weird planet

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    Nov 6th 2019, 7:52 AM

    @Jonny: oh dear

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    Nov 6th 2019, 11:55 AM

    @Jonny: stop crying

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    Nov 6th 2019, 7:11 AM

    More PC nonsense.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 1:55 PM

    @Josh Hanners: Acknowledgement of women’s existence? It’s political correctness gone mad!

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    Nov 6th 2019, 3:12 PM

    @Derek Walsh:

    I’d prefer a better method of acknowledgement, to be honest. This is a non-issue being brought up by people who are looking for something to be outraged about.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 8:22 AM

    Yeah, get rid of Issac Newton and stick one up of some leading Women’s Studies professor. He’s had his turn.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 9:05 AM

    @SkepticalHippoEyes: I dont think they want to get rid of any busts but to get more and have women allongside afterall to get rid of some is that trying to alter history ???????

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    Nov 6th 2019, 9:32 AM

    @SkepticalHippoEyes: gravity is overrated anyway

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    Nov 6th 2019, 11:55 AM

    @SkepticalHippoEyes: they’re not getting rid of other busts, but adding to them to have better representation of scholars. Are you thick?

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    Nov 6th 2019, 8:32 AM

    Hey women, without men being men through out the ages you would not exist, It’s only today’s society allows you the privilege on the backs of mostly dead men, to exist.. I hope this opinion pissed you off.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 8:56 AM

    @Dave Walsh: So privileged. Thanks for everything you do for us women and society as a whole Dave. Really appreciate your contribution.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 9:40 AM

    @Dave Walsh: Hey Dave, without women none of those men would have existed, or yourself. It’s only the combination of women’s and mens physical attributes and a combination of men’s and women’s technical and cultural achievements over the years that have allowed you to exist in a world where you can broadcast how limited your thought process is in exactly that way. I hope this fact pissed you off enough to not be so arrogant

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    Nov 6th 2019, 10:21 AM

    @Dave Walsh: Who gave birth to you Dave? (maybe you were a test tube baby)

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    Nov 6th 2019, 12:52 PM

    @Dave Walsh: very good.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 2:32 PM

    @Will: He spawned asexually from an egg Jordan Peterson layed after a night of heavy pondering and a particularly meaty meal.

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    Nov 6th 2019, 6:25 PM

    All those bust are of men, but Anglo Protestants. Surely, representation would mean adding a few Irish men & and not just ‘women’…

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