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Explainer: Corbyn says Johnson plans to 'sell out' the NHS to Trump - but what does that actually mean?

It’s a big talking point – aside from Brexit – in the UK general election campaign. But what’s it all about?

general-election-2019 Prime Minister Boris Johnson speaking at the launch the Conservative Party's General Election campaign Jacob King / PA Images Jacob King / PA Images / PA Images

SHOTS WERE FIRED in the first full week of campaigning in the British general election this week, with controversies plaguing both the main parties.

The Conservatives had to contend with Cabinet member Jacob Rees Mogg under fire for comments made about the victims of the Grenfell Tower fire and lost its Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns resigned amid claims an aide had sabotaged a rape trial.

Labour, meanwhile, had its deputy leader Tom Watson step down in a “personal, not political” move. 

Sky’s Kay Burley gave an interview to an empty chair where – depending on who you listen to – the chairman of the Conservative party was or was not supposed to be, and both parties were at loggerheads over an edited video of Labour’s Brexit spokesperson Keir Starmer. 

Flagged before the campaign got under way, one issue which has again come to the fore is that of the UK’s National Health Service (NHS) and what US President Donald Trump’s plans are for it. 

So, what’s all this about? And how likely is that “Trump is coming for the NHS”? 

With the NHS usually a key election battleground anyway, Brexit and a future US trade deal are adding fuel to the fire of how the Conservatives and Labour are clashing over the health service. 

The NHS

The UK’s health service was founded in 1948 by Clement Attlee’s Labour government, with founding principles that health care would be universal and free at the point of delivery. It has a mammoth annual budget of almost £140 billion a year, and provides a comprehensive range of healthcare to citizens across the UK. 

In the post-war period where the British economy struggled, the NHS quickly embedded itself within society and has been consistently cited as a source of pride for British people. It’s always an election issue in the UK, as any attempts to try to dilute or reduce the services on offer are met with a furious response. 

Fears have been raised about the NHS’s future in recent years – such as how much more funding it will need, privatisation and Brexit.

With an aging population and an already huge spend on the NHS, the pressures on funding will only heighten in the coming years with every pound spent under scrutiny. 

As it funds GPs and heavily subsidises prescriptions and other medicines, the NHS aims to ensure it gets the best deal on the cost of these drugs. 

Under its voluntary pricing and access scheme (VPAS), the total bill the NHS has to pay for medicines is capped. 

The most recent deal struck by the UK government on its VPAS scheme with pharmaceutical companies means that spending on medicines must grow by no more than 2% over the next five years, the Financial Times reported.

When it comes to privatisation, partnerships have existed for decades between the NHS and the likes of dentists, optometrists and pharmacies. 

However, over the last decade in particular, private contracts issued by the NHS have included a £1.2 billion tender for end-of-life care and cancer care in Staffordshire and an £800 million contract for services for older people in Cambridgeshire. 

Charity The King’s Fund has said that in many cases the use of private providers to treat NHS patients reflects “operational challenges within NHS providers”. 

The Labour party, however, has said that privatisation within the NHS reflects a near-decade of the Conservatives being in power. 

So where does Trump and the US come in?

britain-london-theresa-may-u-s-donald-trump Trump with former prime minister Theresa May in June Han Yan / Xinhua/PA Images Han Yan / Xinhua/PA Images / Xinhua/PA Images

Brexit has cast further uncertainty to add to the problems facing the NHS in the coming years. 

There had been fears that a no-deal Brexit could lead to medicine shortages given the number of drugs the UK imports.

The UK government’s Operation Yellowhammer paper – which set out the “worst case scenario” plans under a no-deal – detailed how disruption of imports could last for “up to six months”. While some medicines could be stockpiled, others could not due to “short self lives”. 

Brexit will also require the UK to negotiate new trade deals with other countries around the world. 

One of those will be the US, and President Trump stoked fears about what that could mean for the NHS during a meeting with then-Prime Minister Theresa May back in June.

The US health system is of course radically different to that in the UK with no form of universal healthcare. The health system in America is largely operated by the private sector with most people either seeking private health insurance or on a US government form of insurance. 

Prices for medicines tend to be much higher in the US than the UK. 

In a press conference in June with Theresa May, Trump sparked outrage by saying “everything is on the table” in a post-Brexit UK-US trade deal, including the NHS.

“So NHS or anything else. A lot more than that,” Trump said.

He later sought to clarify those remarks, telling ITV: “I don’t see it being on the table.”

Trump added: “Somebody asked me a question today and I say ‘everything’s up for negotiation’ because everything is, but that’s something that I would not consider part of trade.”

On the table?

So what is meant by “on the table”?

Firstly, in a trade deal, there are fears in the UK that it could end up having to pay more for medicines under a US trade deal. 

The US has already set its stall out for what it wants in future trade negotiations with the UK, which includes “full market access for US products” when it comes to medicines.

general-election-2019 Labour's Jeremy Corbyn has said Johnson plans to sell off the NHS to the US. Jacob King / PA Images Jacob King / PA Images / PA Images

The NHS Confederation – a membership body of services that make up the NHS – said that hospitals and patients could have to pay billions more for medicines under a post-Brexit trade deal with Trump and the US.

The VPAS system currently used in the UK caps the prices, but the NHS Confederation said: “One can assume that such a scheme would not meet the USA’s objectives, which if achieved would result in higher prices for medicines and pass on costs to both patients and the NHS.”

Furthermore, UK trade officials have held meetings with US counterparts to discuss drugs pricing, Channel 4 Dispatches reported earlier this week.

Drug pricing expert Dr Andrew Hill told Dispatches that the US spends 2.5 times more per capita than the UK on medicines – which would equate to an extra £500 million a week if drug prices were to increase in the UK to match the US. 

Battleground

Labour has seized on this £500 million figure – although there are no real figures as of yet of note given the UK has still yet to leave the EU and trade talks with the US are nowhere near starting – as similar to the slogan used by Brexiteers during the referendum campaign.

A mocked up photo was made to look like the Brexit red bus from the 2016 campaign.

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Alongside that, the Labour party also fears further privatisation of the NHS under another five-year Tory government. Any increased spending in an already-stretched NHS is likely to lead to claims that services could be cut as a result.

Leader Jeremy Corbyn said this week that Boris Johnson wanted to “hijack Brexit to unleash Thatcherism on steroids”. 

“Johnson and the Leave campaign promised to rebuild our NHS,” he said. “Johnson stood in front of a bus and promised £350 million a week for the NHS.

Now we find out that £500 million a week could be taken out of the NHS and handed to big drugs companies under his plans for a sell-out trade deal with Donald Trump.

For the Conservatives part, they’ve denied the claims that they’ll “sell off” the NHS. 

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in September at a press conference with Trump that the NHS “is not for sale”. 

His health secretary Matt Hancock and trade secretary Liz Truss went further in an article for the Daily Telegraph last week.

They said: “The price the NHS pays for drugs won’t be on the table. And the services the NHS delivers won’t be on the table.”

The senior Conservatives also said that Labour was attempting to “spread lies about the NHS” and described this as “shameful”. 

There is certainly no evidence – at this stage – to suggest the Conservatives will be sending £500 million a week to the US drug companies after Brexit. There are no concrete plans for the Conservatives to “sell off” the NHS, but Labour is looking to position itself as the party who will protect the NHS from any such plans in future. 

In any case, it will no doubt continue to remain a hot topic as the election campaigning heats up ahead of the 12 December polling date.

With reporting from AFP, PA

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    Mute Gavin Tobin
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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:29 PM

    Imagine a health system that is a source of pride and not a perpetual clusterfu…

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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:47 PM

    @Gavin Tobin: actual health outcomes in the UK for things like cancer survival, survival after stroke, unavoidable admissions for chronic conditions etc are some of the worst in the developed world. Nothing to be proud of i’d say. Our problem is that we copy too much from UK but somehow manage to make it worse.

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    Mute The Great Unwashed
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    Nov 9th 2019, 11:37 PM

    @Damon16:
    Stats to back that up please.

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    Nov 10th 2019, 8:23 AM

    @The Great Unwashed: Take a bath and do your own homework.

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    Nov 10th 2019, 9:03 AM

    @Gavin Tobin: Yes please, some stats to back up that statement. And then some stats from real clusterfu.. health systems to compare your statement against.

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    Nov 10th 2019, 11:59 AM

    @Damon16: what about the UK’s healthcare system have we copied?

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    Nov 10th 2019, 12:07 PM

    @Damon16: “This report compares health care system performance in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
    “Methods: Seventy-two indicators were selected in five domains: Care Process, Access, Administrative Efficiency, Equity, and Health Care Outcomes. Data sources included Commonwealth Fund international surveys of patients and physicians and selected measures from OECD, WHO, and the European Observatory on Health Systems and Policies. We calculated performance scores for each domain, as well as an overall score for each country…The top-ranked countries in a new international comparison were the U.K., Australia, and the Netherlands”

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    Nov 10th 2019, 12:08 PM
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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:16 PM

    At their recent Party Conference, the Labour Party resolved for, among other things:

    A four day week;
    Abolish all private schools;
    Establish a company to manufacture generic drugs for the NHS.

    All standard Commie stuff.

    How can anyone vote for that?

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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:22 PM

    @Chin Feeyin: I would, why wouldn’t I?

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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:38 PM

    @Mike Osullivan: well, people should have the right to send their children to a private school if they want to;

    And the other two are unaffordable.

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    Nov 9th 2019, 11:36 PM

    @Chin Feeyin: Public schools in the UK are charities and pay little tax, Labour is not abolishing them, as some of the tax avoiding, non dom and public school educated newspaper owners are suggesting. Merely that they pay tax.

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    Nov 9th 2019, 11:41 PM

    @Chin Feeyin: They voted to stop state funding and tax exemption for fee paying schools. Let the market decide.

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    Nov 10th 2019, 12:13 PM

    @Mike Osullivan: Who pays for it all ?

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    Nov 9th 2019, 11:10 PM

    anyone remember Alan Kelly and his pal Phil Hogan,,,,,,,,,Irish water,,,,,,and LPT spring to mind.

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    Nov 9th 2019, 11:24 PM

    @JJandtim Dwyer: or his brother with Teneo a company that tells govt how to outsource.

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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:16 PM

    Boris is gonna get the majority that Brussels fears , yet brought about. They’ve changed governments , denied democracy, all in the name of keeping EU alive. Ironic that they will see it destroy itself. Pity our lot FFG were so subservient… We may not have such massive debts otherwise..

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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:20 PM

    @Willy Mc Bride: how do you get so much wrong all the time. Most failed bot of the internet.

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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:23 PM

    @Paul Furey: I feel sorry for the dog in the profile pic.

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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:44 PM

    @Keelan O’neill: One can only hope it’s a stock photo.

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    Nov 10th 2019, 10:21 AM

    @Paul Furey: Cant agree more what a goshoite

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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:50 PM

    We’ve done that already in Ireland. We’ve been ‘Americanized’ big time. Along with their drug companies we have the insurance companies, the banks and the vulture funds fckin us over too.

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    Nov 10th 2019, 6:11 AM

    @Kath Noonan: and the compensation culture came from the USA.

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    Nov 10th 2019, 8:23 AM

    @Kath Noonan: you forgot obesity.

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    Nov 10th 2019, 12:11 PM

    @Kath Noonan: the US has nothing like our drugs payment scheme which is capped at €124 per family or individual per month. Our healthcare is a shambles but nothing as bad as the US which sees people dying because they can’t afford lifesaving medications such as insulin.

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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:10 PM

    The Conservatives were the party to white paper the idea of a national health service and have been in power for much longer than Labour for the lifespan of the NHS.

    The point being is that people associate them, and any right leaning party, with wanting to sell the entire thing, when 92% is owned by the public and it is the sixth largest organisation in the world.

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    Nov 10th 2019, 8:13 AM

    The cynic in me thinks politicians lie to get into power then control the narrative through spin to dupe the population that what they are seeing and hearing isn’t actually happening. Repeat at next election.

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    Nov 9th 2019, 10:07 PM

    It’s a election where your choices are between whose fist to insert for the next few years.

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    Nov 9th 2019, 11:59 PM

    @WinstonSmith: Finally an explanation as to how Trump won, knew his small hands were good for something.

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    Nov 10th 2019, 7:49 AM

    Fake news but Boris is only getting back something he’s been peddling all his “ newspaper “life .
    When trump was asked the question that spawned this , he didn’t know what the nhs was

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    Nov 10th 2019, 12:18 PM

    @Michael Curran: are you suggesting the British Medical Association is spreading fake news? “In a letter sent today, on the same day US president Donald Trump declared at a joint press conference with prime minister Theresa May that the NHS would be ‘on the table’ in trade talks, BMA council chair Dr Chaand Nagpaul urged candidates to commit to ‘explicit safeguards for the health service against the dangers posed by Brexit’.

    President Trump’s comments follow statements by the US ambassador to the UK Woody Johnson saying that the health service would form part of trade negotiations between the two nations.”

    http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/all-news/bma-urges-pm-candidates-to-exclude-nhs-from-trump-trade-talks/20038806.article

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    Nov 10th 2019, 5:24 AM

    Who cares?

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    Nov 10th 2019, 8:15 AM

    @James Gannon: Securicor cares.

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