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US President Donald Trump at a rally last week.

White House will not take part in impeachment hearing on Wednesday

Trump is facing allegations that he illegally sought help from Ukraine to get information.

US PRESIDENT DONALD Trump’s attorney said on Sunday that the White House will not participate in congressional hearings set for Wednesday that will consider passing impeachment articles against the president.

Trump is facing allegations in the House of Representatives investigation that he illegally sought help from Ukraine to get information on his domestic political rivals, including possible 2020 challenger Joe Biden.

“We cannot fairly be expected to participate in a hearing while the witnesses are yet to be named and while it remains unclear whether the Judiciary Committee will afford the President a fair process through additional hearings,” White House counsel Pat Cipollone wrote in a letter to Jerry Nadler, the Democratic chairman of the Judiciary Committee in the House of Representatives.

“Accordingly, under the current circumstances, we do not intend to participate in your Wednesday hearing,” Cipollone wrote.

The House Judiciary Committee will begin meeting on Wednesday to determine whether the evidence compiled in the investigative phase of the process meets the constitutional impeachment standard of “treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

The committee is expected to consider at least four counts, or articles of impeachment, including abuse of power, bribery, contempt of Congress and obstruction of justice.

Cipollone did not rule out White House participation in all of the hearings, instead requesting further details from Nadler on how the inquiry will be conducted and saying he will give him an answer by next Friday.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 1:43 PM

    It’s hard to believe that the author didn’t mention that pro independent parties between them were a couple of percent short of 50%.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 4:26 PM

    @lavbeer: did they not take 70 out of 135 seats? Which is 52% of the seats by my maths?

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 4:48 PM

    @Skinnerbot: yes this wasn’t a referendum – but a popular vote wouldn’t have been passed. More voted for non-independence parties. The article unless the author was pushing an agenda should have stated such a basic fact. Imho- I am no expert.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 4:56 PM

    @lavbeer: same with trump no? It’s quite trivial in a way given it led to 52% of the seats. Only 1 in every 3 votes agree with Fine Gaels policies here, funny thing democracy

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 10:15 PM

    @Skinnerbot: true enough but if it was a referendum it wouldn’t have carried.

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    Dec 23rd 2017, 6:18 AM

    @Declan Hegarty: bottom line is that three pro independence parties got 47.5 of the vote a few months after getting over 90 in a referendum that SF didn’t call out as being flawed (other than the actions of the Spanish police). Did they miss something?

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    Dec 24th 2017, 12:28 PM

    @lavbeer:
    The headline is not just misleading. It is incorrect.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 1:51 PM

    Without a change to the Spanish Constitution, Catalonia could a popular vote of 100% for independence and legally it would mean nothing. It would be like Cork voting unanimously to repeal the 8th amendment. Without a referenda the vote would not be legal. As in Spain any Constitutional changes require a national referendum.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 2:54 PM

    @Mick Jordan: Cork isn’t an autonomous region with its own parliament, language and culture. There is a precedent set for nationhood. Catalonia meets all of them.

    So your comparison to Cork is not remotely relevant.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 3:03 PM

    @Seán Ó Briain: says you! Totally has its own language does Cork

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 3:11 PM

    @Seán Ó Briain: Cork has a County Council which is elected, it can pass local by-laws, can raise finances through rates etc so it is very relevant as it is nothing more than a smaller version of the Catalan Parliament,. Catalonia’s Parliament is subservient to the National Parliament in Madrid as are all the other regional governments in Spain. Catalonia agreed to and signed up to the Spanish Constitution and is now legally obliged to abide by that Constitution.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 3:46 PM

    @Mick Jordan: Cork County Council is not comparable to the levels of autonomy that the Catalan parliament had. Nor is Cork as an area comparable for a claim of statehood that Catalonia has.

    Scotland signed up the the union (albeit on questionable circumstances), and were still afforded a vote on independence. The UK had the courage to allow them one in the spirit of democracy. Spain doesn’t have similar levels of faith in its union.

    If the majority of the people in Catalonia aspire for independence, that desire should be acknowledge by the Spanish government.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 4:20 PM

    @Seán Ó Briain: Catalonia signed up to this constitution only 40 years ago. And the result clearly shows there isn’t an overall desire to break off. Gunther and his ilk need to step back and start convincing their own people and get a 60-65 which would give them a platform. The 90% “referendum”‘was shown as a farce – endorsed by the SF people on the ground also.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 4:33 PM

    @Seán Ó Briain: What claim of Statehood does Catalonia have. It was never a nation in its own right. It was previously an integral part of the Kingdom of Aragon, prior to that part of the Frankish kingdom of Charlemagne and before that a part of a Roman Frontier Provence. And now is an integral part of the Spanish State. In 1975 Catalans agreed to and signed up to all the terms and conditions of the Spanish Constitution. And one of those conditions was that the Spanish State as it currently is, is indivisible. And now that some Catalans wish to change that, they must seek a change in the Spanish Constitution (that they are a signatory to) to legally allow cessation.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 4:49 PM

    @Mick Jordan: ” What claim of Statehood does Catalonia have.”

    What claim does any arbitrary piece of land and people have to statehood? Catalonia has its own language, its own parliament, its own culture – and the wish for the majority of the people living there to be independent.

    Borders are dynamic. They change over time. At present, the people within the recognised borders of the region of Catalonia wish to be independent. That’s a pretty valid claim. And if Spain actually had the courage to allow them a referendum without using political violence to crack down on them – we would be able to answer that question once and for all.

    This whole argument is going over your head. It’s a waste of time and energy to repeat it ad nauseum with you.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 5:05 PM

    @Seán Ó Briain: It has its own Parliament because the Nation of Spain permits it to have it just as the Dail here permits County and City Councils. But they, as with the Catalonian Parliament are only there at the sufferance of the National Parliment. And the results of the vote are also clear 51.5% of the Popular vote was for Spanish Unity with the Independence Vote receiving 48.5%.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 2:20 PM

    Independence vote has been justified,but like brexit,the EU elites will do their best to block it.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 2:28 PM

    @@mdmak33: justified by getting less than 50% ? How do you make that out?

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    Dec 23rd 2017, 8:35 AM

    @lavbeer: to be fair the main leaders of the Independence Party are locked up or in exile and the Spanish govt shut down pro independence newspapers and websites / so the result is an amazing one / viva Cataluyna!

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 2:04 PM

    This referendum result may now enable sensible negotiations to commence.

    Any attempted secession lacks legitimacy. There is now good reason for each side to engage meaningfully with the other, mediated by a third party broker.

    There are degrees of autonomy. There is plenty of scope for a solution.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 2:20 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: Even if the Central Government wanted to allow Catalonian Independence, it is not legally in their power to grant it. It is a Constitutional issue. And that requires a national referendum to alter the part that states “All of Spain is indivisible”, to allow regions to ceceed. So Catalonian Independence is a pipe dream unless the Constitution is changed.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 7:11 PM

    @Mick Jordan: by that reckoning we should still be part of the UK.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 8:25 PM

    @Pat Cbar: How do you make that out? We, Scotland, or Wales never agreed to or signed up to a UK constitution declaring that the UK is or was indivisible. Hence the Scottish Independence Referndum. When Ireland was part of the UK it was only so by a Parlimentry Act (Enacted by Henry VIII an English King) in which we Irish had no hand or act in. Catalonia on the other hand was an original part of the Kingdom of Aragon that United with the Kingdom of Castille to form what we now know as modern Spain. And after the death of Franco when a new constitution was being written with the input from every region of Spain, Catalonia agreed with and signed up to that new Consitution. Now that 48.5% of the Catalonian population desire independence does not negate the Constitution they signed.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 1:54 PM

    Did Puigdemont or Junqueras run in this election? 70 out of 135 maybe 68 if they can’t show – still a majority barely. The case for independence wasn’t confirmed despite actions of the police and Madrid government plus a high turnout. breathing space is needed. Maybe it’s time for reconciliation of some sort?

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 4:49 PM

    @lavbeer: of anyone know?

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 2:00 PM

    This can only end badly.

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    Dec 22nd 2017, 1:49 PM

    Separatists?

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    Dec 23rd 2017, 2:24 AM

    how can say this without being attacked..as a sports fan i love Barca..and i am trying to understand the whole situation from both sides ..but the leader says i demand the UN. Maybe i am totally wrong ,why not say ” I ask”does it alway have to be agressive speak…there is so much agression in the world..I am gettiing old and still naive to think that we can have a beautiful world ..maybe we can

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