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Johnson v Corbyn: The key moments from the final head-to-head election debate

The BBC hosted the hour-long face off.

PastedImage-82741 The stage for tonight's BBC leaders debate. Twitter / BBCPolitics Twitter / BBCPolitics / BBCPolitics

SIX DAYS FROM now it’ll all be over bar the counting, so tonight’s head-to-head debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn was a huge opportunity for both parties. 

Chaired by the BBC’s Nick Robinson, the hour-long debate took in issues like Brexit, the NHS, wealth inequality and Northern Ireland. 

Here are some of the biggest talking points from how it all played out.

Ghosts of Christmas past

In an intervention earlier today that was both unprecedented and utterly unsurprising, John Major and Tony Blair put their party allegiances to one side and shared a platform to oppose Brexit. 

While Blair said he would still vote Labour in the election, Major said he would back ex-Conservative candidates running against Johnson’s party.

Both said voters should consider candidates opposing the two main parties. 

The question of was put to Corbyn and Johnson whether this was ‘worrying’ to them or whether Major and Blair were ‘a pair of has-beens’.

Both candidates rather deflected the question, with Johnson pivoting to Brexit and Corbyn talking about austerity. 

“I have the utmost respect of course for all former Conservative leaders and don’t wish to deprecate anyone as a has been, but I didn’t think he’s right,” Johnson said. 

And Corbyn: 

Tony Blair and John Major are welcome to make the comments that they do. I urge them to think for a moment, think for a moment at the reality of what nine years of austerity has done to the people of this country.

Ooh, matron!

With the NHS at the centre of the election and the protection of it something that all sides seem to agree is a good thing, it appeared at some points tonight that Corbyn and Johnson were engaged in a competitive love bombing of the service. 

Labour has been pushing a long-term proposal for a four-day working week but Corbyn denied that this would apply to nurses. 

“There is a plan to properly invest in our NHS because I am fed up with people queueing and waiting and in dire straits as they try to get an appointment to see a GP or to go into hospital,” he said.  

Johnson went down the route of literally expressing love for the NHS and calling Labour’s claims of impending privatisation “Bermuda triangle stuff” 

“I believe very passionately in it, I use it, I love it. It’s one of the most incredible things about this country, it’s admired around the world, the central idea that if any of us gets sick, all of us take care of them, it’s a fantastic thing,” he said. 

The pair engaged in much of the familiar debate about whether the NHS would be on the table in trade talks with the US before Corbyn got a clap for the line:

The Prime Minister says he’s not going to do that sort of a trade deal. If that’s the case, why did the talks go on for two years? It doesn’t take two years to say no to privatisation of the NHS. 

The Irish question

The biggest actual news line out of the campaign today came over Johnson’s claim that there will be no border in the Irish Sea under his Brexit plan.

Corbyn produced a document earlier which he said showed that the Prime Minister has been “misleading” people about his withdrawal deal.

We’ve Factchecked Johnson’s claim previously and found that while checks may be avoided going eastwards, it’s rather impossible to say the same about goods going in the opposite direction

“The documents show quite clearly that there are going to be charges, there are going to be customs checks, there are going to be restrictions on trade between Britain and Northern Ireland,” Corbyn said during tonight’s debate. 

Untrue, Johnson responded. 

“What the document also says is that Northern Ireland is part of the customs territory of the UK,” he said. 

For good measure, Johnson brought up Corbyn’s past support of Irish republicanism. 

I do find it slightly curious to say the least Nick, to be lectured about the union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland by a man who all his political life has campaigned to break up that union, and actually supported for four decades the IRA in their campaign violently to destroy it

Terror 

Another question put to the two prospective Prime Ministers was about whether “safety or human rights” were more important. 

The question was an indirect reference to the recent London Bridge terror attack and, answering it first, Corbyn didn’t mention the attacks. 

Instead, he said that it’s “not an either or” question, focusing on the need to invest in policing to ensure public safety. 

“You don’t get security on the cheap, you have to invest in it. Human rights are our defense against autocracy, and our defence against abuse of power. There is no difference between wanting security and human rights, those two things are actually inextricably linked together,” he said. 

Johnson agreed that there was “no need to compromise” on human rights for safety but did bring up the recent attack, arguing that attacker Usman Khan’s release from prison was “extraordinary and wrong”.

“I said long before I became prime minister that we needed to campaign against short sentences. I said in August that we should get rid of automatic early release.,” he said. 

Johnson then went on to falsely claim that a bill to stop this was “stuck because of the blockade in parliament”. The obstruction in parliament is over Brexit bills, not other legislation. 

‘Why is this lying bastard lying to me?’

Towards the end of the debate, one member of the audience asked mischievously: 

What punishment do you think is appropriate for elected politicians who lie during political campaigns?

Johnson seemed a little flummoxed by the question, asnwering: 

Well, they should, they should be, they should be made to go on their knees to down the, through the chamber of the House of Commons, scourging themselves with copies of their of their offending documents.

Corbyn went down the route of saying voters could remove them:

“If they don’t deliver, then there is a democratic process to deal with that in the future. That is what democracy is about. It’s about holding people to account.” 

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    Mute Angela McCarthy
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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:25 PM

    Journal has no idea who came out on top of debate? Or is it waiting for someone else to tell them first?

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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:49 PM

    @Angela McCarthy: A score draw. Nothing devastating either way for. I doubt it’ll have changed many people’s minds.

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    Dec 7th 2019, 2:39 AM
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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:55 PM

    I think neither is a great candidate but I admire Crorbyn for being so true to his principles. I am
    much further right but value integrity above spin. Wouldn’t vote for either to be honest, Lib Dem’s get a free pass.

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    Dec 7th 2019, 4:32 PM

    @Pat O Neill: pity corbyn wont say if hes for or against brexit.

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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:13 PM

    The overall quality of British politics is in the gutter. A right pair of clowns. I’d sooner vote for the Monster Raving Loony party….

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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:14 PM

    @Paul Jude Redmond: it’s a world wide problem

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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:15 PM

    @bmul: True…

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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:28 PM

    @bmul: A western world wide problem. All the while China and Russia are laughing.

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    Dec 7th 2019, 6:53 AM

    @Ths Fer: both countries have a distant relationship with democracy

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    Dec 7th 2019, 6:54 AM

    @Paul Jude Redmond: At least they have debate and alternatives to choose from, whereas over here… We are hardly in a position to throw stones.

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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:15 PM

    I forget what was it BoJo wanted to get done again?

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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:21 PM

    @James Quirke: Some sort of exit I believe

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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:23 PM

    @James Quirke: Build a wall or something?

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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:30 PM

    @Paul Furey: Yes and I think he said Ireland would pay for it.

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    Dec 7th 2019, 12:25 AM

    @Manbackonboard: fake news!

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    Dec 7th 2019, 2:40 AM

    @James Quirke: To get a shirt to fit I think?

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    Dec 6th 2019, 11:23 PM

    Never mind this bs what about
    Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua II

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    Dec 7th 2019, 7:41 AM

    @Seriously stunned: #TeamRuiz

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    Dec 7th 2019, 8:44 AM

    @Seriously stunned: What party do they belong to?

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    Dec 7th 2019, 1:30 AM

    If we’re honest, Johnson came out on top. Which is an indictment only on the key opposition. It’s a slow bicycle race which we’re as a nation the biggest victim of.

    Let’s hope the British electorate have a better memory than the Irish electorate and don’t let the Thatcherites back in as easily as we appear to be letting our most recent antagonists back in.

    Johnson was unapologetic in his disregard for most in the same way as Trump was. I hope that Corbyn’s inability to pick a side doesn’t cost us.

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    Dec 7th 2019, 6:35 AM

    @I Crow: Corbyn is right not to pick a side. It’s irrelevant what any party wants now and it only matters what the public wants. Fat lot of good knowing and pushing their preference did for May and Bojo

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    Dec 7th 2019, 10:53 AM

    @JusticeForJoe: right has nothing to do with winning in this instance. He will lose votes for appearing to be disingenuously on the fence. He needs to provide clarity on who would negotiate the EU Deal from his cabinet, else people will vote Tory with the fear that Brexit will be further dragged on.

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    Dec 7th 2019, 12:08 AM

    Nobody cares. It will still be the same bull about brexit after this election.

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    Dec 7th 2019, 2:39 AM

    You dont want intelligent people in politics…the elites only want people to do as they are told ..and the electorate to believe one of the muppets will change something…of course it will be trivial

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    Dec 7th 2019, 8:39 AM

    The rise of social media = the fall of politics…

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    Dec 7th 2019, 12:20 PM

    What bets the Conservatives will romp home on December 12th, with a majority of over 50 seats?

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    Dec 7th 2019, 12:21 AM

    The world electorates are devoid of basic common sense the greatest clowns since Laurel and Hardy are debating in British GE and their electorate have some choice and Leftie devoid of cop on and a Buffoon
    Only that the consequences are so serious the Northern Brits are going to Vote Boris and believe they are going to be better off
    Dream on British Blueshirts

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    Dec 7th 2019, 5:05 AM

    Trump and Johnson are like two wind swept thatched cottages all straw no furniture
    The funky gibbons of modern politics
    Can’t wait to see the shiny objects that we will see this coming week with British elections and USA impeachments
    Advise everyone to wear good quality sunglasses

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    Dec 7th 2019, 6:56 AM

    @Anthony Doyle: you might be better advised to ask why working people abandoned traditional left of centre parties to vote for the likes of Trump of Johnson

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    Dec 7th 2019, 2:38 PM

    …to be more accurate; the fall of democracy.

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    Dec 7th 2019, 4:57 AM

    Hint
    The real looney tunes is on tomorrow on Nickelodeon

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