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MET ÉIREANN HAS defended its weather warning system after many questioned the speed of the organisation’s response to last night’s storm, which caused flooding and damage in the west and south of the country.
Winds speeds reached between 100 kilometres per hour and 177 kilometres per hour in some areas, with hundreds of homes left without power.
Last night, people took to Twitter to ask why Met Éireann had only issued an orange wind warning for Galway and Mayo at 8pm – with the warning set to take effect only an hour later at 9pm.
Other people pointed out that the storm was already causing damage in the region before the predicted weather had hit.
The Mayor of Galway of City Council, Mike Cubbard, was critical of what he said was a sluggish response from Met Éireann.
Council crews, he told TheJournal.ie, were “caught on the hop because the warning only came from Met Éireann at 8pm”.
“Because it was issued so late we were chasing our tails a bit,” he said.
Galway city, especially in the docklands and Salthill area, is particularly prone to flooding and storms have caused significant damage in recent years.
Joan Blackburn, a meteorologist in Met Éireann, said that warnings were issued long before the storm hit.
“You must bear in mind that warnings can be updated at any hour,” she said.
“There was a warning in place for a full 24 hours from the day before,” Blackburn added. “It specifically said that in coast areas of the south and the west that winds could be higher.”
On Tuesday morning, Met Éireann issued a yellow wind warning for Ireland – valid from 12pm on Wednesday until midnight.
It warned of “southeast winds, later veering southerly” and said that it “will gust 90-110km/h on Wednesday, strongest in coastal areas”.
At 10am on Wednesday, the warning was extended until 3am on Thursday. Yesterday afternoon, a Status Orange warning was issued for Cork.
The storm, dubbed Storm Elsa by the Portuguese weather service, was not given a name by Met Éireann.
It partners with the UK Met Office and the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute to label storms.
In Ireland, a storm is named by a forecaster when orange or red level winds are expected to impact over a wide land area. However, orange or red level gusts can occur in exposed areas without the event being named.
Met Éireann updates weather warnings as it receives new information, using three colour codes of increasing levels of severity – yellow, orange and red.
The organisation issues a Status Yellow wind warning for “widespread gusts” between 90 kilometres per hour and 110 kilometres per hour, which can be upgraded to Status Orange if wind speeds reach between 110 and 130 kilometres per hour.
Blackburn encouraged people – especially local council staff – to contact the Met Éireann office if they had any questions or wanted more information.
She said that the warning was issued once wind speeds reached Status Orange levels.
“The forecast will always be updated. Warnings will always be updated. We try to issue them timely,” she said.
“It was a pretty robust warning,” she added.
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‘Large’ by the standards of the anti-vaxxers…..whose candidate got 0.6% in the recent by-election. Nobody’s rights are being trampled on here. If you consider that you are being victimised because you have to have your pints and dine outside a pub, rather than inside, because you don’t want to take a vaccine during a global pandemic that has killed over 4 million people, you lead a very privileged life. Bit of perspective people.
@The Risen: Well said
@The Risen: Wouldn’t call everyone in attendance anti-vaxxers mind you
@The Risen: it’s not the pub people are protesting about. In france now they are going to stop people going to the shop. It’s what is coming down the line that people are protesting about. These are the same people who you stood with at the water protests. No right wing nuts. The act forces pubs and restaurants to discriminate against the unvaccinated. Only a matter of time before that list is increased to shops and other retail outlets. Do we not have the freedom of bodily autonomy as you yourself pointed out during the abortion referendum. My body my choice.
@Ruairi Colton: ” These are the same people who you stood with at the water protests”. No they are not. I attended almost all of the water protests and there was no right wingers foaming at the mouths. The videos I saw from last night was a who’s who of the far right, foaming at the mouths, screaming about the ‘consitushun’. Oh, and when you’re forced to take the vaccine, the same way rape victims in this state were forced to carry their pregnancy to term, you can get back to us about bodily autonomy.
@The Risen: That’s lies. The yellow vests were in attendance and Ben Gilroy spoke. Dokores, justin and gemma were not in attendance and were not welcome. They are the same people because I know people who were at the water protests and also there last night. This is force when down the line we cant live our lives. How would you feel if it was the other way round and the vaccinated had to stay home.
@Ruairi Colton: you still have bodily autonomy. What are you talking about? You choose to either take the vaccine or not. Nobody is forcing you. The only goal here is to keep people safe. You’re either interested in the safety of yourself and others or you’re not.
@Ruairi Colton: the left and the right have gone so far they are meeting each other in the middle….
@The Risen: agree but it’s just a pity that SF voted against it last night. Clearly out of touch with their voters and the vast vast majority of the population. Ben Gilroy and his mob have been moaning about us not being open for months, now he’s moaning that we are opening. Once you hear his name mentioned and see the mad yoke on the megaphone then any credibility that the protest had is gone.
@GrumpyAulFella: This is just the start of it. Because you pasties wont stand together with other irish people they will take in further restrictions like the French and Australians were unvaccinated cant go out to buy food. This is force. If I’m proved wrong il happily say I was wrong but time will tell.
@GrumpyAulFella: How would anyone not wanting a vaccine impact on the safety of anyone else who chooses to get vaccinated? Yes they can still get infected and transmit it, but only 1 in 500 vaccinated people get infections after vaccination, and 1 in 2500 will need hospital treatment. Moreover, since when was it the Government’s responsibility to dictate what is and isn’t safe to do in our everyday lives (based on the tiny risks outlined above)? Most people who aren’t getting the vaccine are doing so because they’re interested in their own safety, and consider a vaccine with no long term studies to be riskier than Coronavirus. Rightly or wrongly they should be not be excluded from societies freedoms because of their stance.
@Realist: there is no middle. You can agree with 99% left wing and 1% right wing but that makes you right wing
@Ruairi Colton: what flavour ‘pastie’ am I? I like a Beef and Guinness one
@The Risen: The far right haha would ya stop, so the parties that voted against it are far right now – SF, Labour, SD, PBP,
@SquintEastwood: I tend to agree… Most ‘left wing’ in this country are actually right wing bigots covering behind the name of SF, PBP etc.
SF is a right wing party at it’s core ironically enough
@Ruairi Colton: Abortions arent contagious and they dont potentially endanger the lives of others. This is about social responsibility here. And the whole ‘where will it end’ it will end when people stop being so individualistically se lfish and realize that this once in a lifetime crisis that has effected everyones lives, not just their own, wont be going anywhere as long as people are willing to risk infecting themselves and others because they are sick of waiting
@Kiern Mcx: Just to point out the blindingly obvious, but I was referring to the usual national party and Irish freedom party far right anti maskers who were there in force, as usual, up front making a spectacle of themselves.
@Kevin Kilcoyne: no long term studies? Read up on the process and methods undertaken to develop these vaccines. They have gone through more rigorous development and testing processes than any vaccine previous because billions of dollars were thrown at it and every available resource brought to bear to develop. If you think about it, if everyone had your anti-vax attitude hundreds more would have died in this country alone, thousands more hospitalised and our health serviced would have been crippled. Allowing unvaccinated into enclosed spaces greatly increases the risk of them spreading disease to fellow diners, vaccinated and unvaccinated. By having vaccinated only customers sitting, the environment is much safer for all concerned but you know that.
@Ruairi Colton: ‘This is just the start…’ Your logical fallacy is slippery slope. It’s ironic that the same people who accuse NPHET of ‘scaremongering’ are the ones who do it the most. I’ve been hearing ‘This is just the start…’ for the last 2 years.
@The Risen: Sure obviously there were right-wing people there but I wouldn’t say it’s exclusive to them. Sure I know a group of left leaning people there last night. It’s not as black and white as you may think
@Ruairi Colton: That is short of the truth, France are not stopping people from going to shops to buy food, they are putting in restrictions on who can go to busy enclosed shopping centers.
@Ruairi Colton: that’s correct. My neighbour is a perennial protestor and was at this. And the water protests. It’s an anti government thing.
I’m ok with the vaccine passports as I have one. I can see why younger people might be annoyed.
@john smith iv: Very few young people at that protest, mostly bored Boomers who need to get a hobby.
@Ruairi Colton: Give it a rest Ruairi the anti water campaign was a very broad coalition of ordinary communities but mainly led by the left. That is not to say there werent some right wingers supporting the campaign too.
So whats your point, and why are you trying to muddy the waters and relate that to what happened last night?
@Kevin Kilcoyne: They should be excluded. They’ve made their bed….
@GrumpyAulFella: Its a pity SF voted against it? When have you ever had pity for SF?
6 votes in the difference last night? I think you might learn in the time ahead, that SF are not the ones who are out of touch on this one!
@Kevin Kilcoyne: They effect the safety of others by occupying hospital spaces unnecessarily. Those unvaccinated that are hospitalised will tie up resources that could be used to to treat other patients with other major problems.
All for a jab of a needle.
@GrumpyAulFella: No amount of money can speed up the passing of time as was pointed out by a previous poster. Your selective ignorance to justify your position and the holier than thou attitude towards anyone who dares deviate slightly from towing the NPHET line does nothing to make you more credible or convince anyone who has concerns to change their mind. I am very pro vaccine I’ll have you know. I just happen to care about everyone’s legitimately founded concerns as opposed you your self-centered ‘join us or be damned’ approach.
@GrumpyAulFella: nope. If you’re not allowed to enter indoor businesses because you haven’t had a vaccine that in all likelihood you don’t need then that’s coercion as your lifestyle is being unfairly restricted unless you offer up your arm for an unnecessary injection.
@GrumpyAulFella: Wow. SF finally did something right.
@JustMeHere: you’re incredibly trusting and short-sighted like most in this fair isle it would seem. It’s so disheartening…
@Pauline Gallagher: I bet you weren’t so concerned about spreading the flu.
@Mick.: Sorry Mick, I didn’t realize it was a crime to get sick and need hospital treatment in this country. It’s not like we pay taxes for this exact service. Perhaps those who smoke, anyone obese, and anyone who consumes more than the recommend units of alcohol should also be excluded from society lest they end up in hospital. That’ll learn them…
@The Risen: I just calculated that people are 5 time more likely to die from fall down on their way to getting vaccinated, than die from the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine.
35,848 people died in falls in the EU in (2010-2012).
https://eupha.org/repository/sections/ipsp/Factsheet_falls_in_older_adults_in_EU.pdf
Risk of fatal fall:
35,848 deaths ÷ 440.66 million EU citizens = 8.14 deaths per 100,000 per year. This is 0.022 per 100,000 per day (and 0.011 per 100,000 on their way to get vaccinated).
On the other hand, Vaccine risk is 0.0025 deaths per 100,000 doses (5 deaths out if 197 million doses)
So EU citizens are 5 times more likely to die falling down on their way to get their Pfizer and Moderna vaccine than from the vaccine itself.
@Kevin Kilcoyne: Your very wrong.
How do 100 people get covid when they are all vaccinated at sea most of the time and no unvaccinated people around?
About 100 fully vaccinated crewmembers onboard the HMS Queen Elizabeth have been infected with COVID-19.
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told the BBC that the deployed crewmembers had all received two doses of the COVID vaccine.
@Brian McNamara: @Brian McNamara: Yes i was, i was always careful. I was obsessed with hand sanitizer long before covid as well. Its called being a dutiful citizen and not a rhymes with grasspole
@Kevin Kilcoyne: So let’s say someone who has Cancer Treatment because the bed they would have gotten is occupied by someone who chose to be selfish and not get vaccinated, and then caught the virus, needing hospital treatment. What do you say to the Cancer Patient who through no fault of their own developed the disease and had no way of preventing it, not being able to access treatment because of someone who chose to ignore all the warnings and advise and refuse to get vaccinated thus preventing their hospitalisation?
@On the right side: Happy to provide the sources to my figures: https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/risk-covid-after-vaccine
I’ll take my figures from a peer-reviewed study in Kings College London over an article in the Business Times any day.
I believe the vaccine is effective and if people are worried about Covid they should take it. If they are as ineffective as you are suggesting then what would be the incentive to get them? We need honesty around this discussion not more fear-mongering. Vaccines are our way out and it’s fantastic we will ultimately have an uptake likely in the 90th percentile. We now just need to realise/accept that there is nothing more we can do beyond this and get back to normal. Not prolong restrictions because of a moral crusade against those who have already decided to move on with their lives but aren’t being let.
@Mick.: That is the reason I mentioned smoking, drinking, etc. in my previous post. By your reckoning, these people are equally as selfish and should be excluded from society until they change their ways? The reality is that we have a healthcare system that is crumbling and fixing this needs to be the priority, not straw-manning those who, for whatever reason, are not comfortable taking a vaccine.
@David Jordan: shocking statistics!
Perhaps all European governments should bring in legislation to only allow people that have completed a special certification on how to avoid slips, trips and falls while walking on hard surfaces and inside buildings, to enter any building in the EU, for public safety purposes.
:-)
@GrumpyAulFella: what about those still waiting in the q for vaccine, or haven’t been offered it yet. Majority will take it tomorrow if they could, most (under 45′s) for the one reason that they can get back to normal, travel easily and go inside places. Their justification is not health concerns, but allowing society open up. It’s months before everyone who wants it will get it. What about inconsistencies with hotel residents? I’m pro vaccine, and I’m taking this to speed society opening up, as stats have shown this is very low risk to younger healthy people.
But the latest rethoric is that even when 80% plus are vaccinated, there will still be continued restrictions in Ireland. So even return to normal looks unlikely here.
@On the right side: “How do 100 people get covid when they are all vaccinated at sea most of the time and no unvaccinated people around?”
Vaccines do not provide 100% protection, 5% – 10% can still catch the virus, this does not mean the vaccine is a failure.
The Aircraft Carrier has a crew 1,600, of these only 100 caught the virus, that is 6.25%. That means the vaccine is about 90% effective, as expected.
For comparison, 1,046 out of 1,760 caught the virus (60%) on the Charles de Gaulle, before vaccines were a thing. Ten times higher than HMS Queen Elizabeth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Charles_de_Gaulle
@The Risen: No they were not there. Stop making stuff up to suit your narrative. You’re sounding like RTE who by the way his around the corner until most protestors had left before deciding to report on it.
@Angela McCarthy: what a bizarre comment. I didn’t say I had pity on SF. I said it was a pity that they voted in favour of maintaining a closure of indoor hospitality, a vote against the young workers of this country. They are two completely separate things.
@The Risen: it’s experimental, not FDA approved, let’s see if your signing the same tune in a few months
@On the right side: their vaccines must have been watered down at sea?
@Kevin Kilcoyne: ok, you’ve typed a lot there without actually saying anything. What greater “concern” can there be than peoples’ health? When you talk about “legitimate concerns”, are you talking about the concerns of unvaccinated people and they not being allowed to dine indoors or are you talking about the anti-vax concerns? Either way, let the anti-vax gang bide their time. They are a very small minority so if we can get everyone else vaccinated to break the transmission chain then indoors can be opened to everyone. So they’ll just have to wait. That’s one of the expected downsides of refusing to vaccinate yourself. It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. Either get the vaccination or wait until everyone else is vaccinated. Sounds fair to me.
What if it was the other way around and non vaccinated people were allowed indoors and vaccinated people had to sit out in the rain? It’s not about what’s in the vaccine, it’s discrimination. For the record, I am fully vaccinated.
@Brendan The Godfather: it’s only discrimination if it’s not in the interests of the common good, public health in this instance. If a bouncer refuses me entry to a club because I am drunk and could be a public health danger then I’m not going to sue him for discrimination.
@Brendan The Godfather: it’s discriminatory for health reasons, this happens for numerous things already such as under 18’s are not allowed purchases to smoke or drink alcohol. Get over yourself.
@Brendan The Godfather: where were the discrimination protests when the smoking ban came in???That’s right,there wasn’t any!!!It was accepted that possibility of passing on a life threatening disease outweighed the fact that a smoker had to stand outside in the rain while non smokers could enjoy a healthy environment indoors.See any similarities?
@Brendan The Godfather: Ah, give over Bren, that’s a mad argument. They choose not to be vaccinated, now they want their cake and eat it.
@Brendan The Godfather: If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bike.
‘What if it was the other way around in a hypothetical switched situation that makes absolutely no sense because there is a reason that one lot is allowed inside and it isn’t just randomly picked for the craic?’
@meg: you have wheels in your photo, are you a bike?
@meg: Theres actually no talking to these people. The just dont have rational minds at all.
@Anthony Hilton: If Madge from Benidorm had wheels she would be a mobility scooter
This circle will never end. Disgruntled Karen’s protesting during covid about covid restrictions which makes the situation worse
@Dawid Grzybowski: Imagine people trying to protect civil Liberties being referred to as “Karen’s”. Clown.
@John Boland: civil liberties?
@Joe Healy: Being able/unable to avail of goods and services based on your vaccination status. Did you read the article?
@Tomo: another sheep who’d bend over for a vaccine so he can head off to Lazarote but what can you do
@John Boland: no need to bend over, they inject your arm. Be mortified for ya if you turned up and mad that mistake…!
@John Boland: Hilarious that you think you’re making some sort of point that people would do anything so they can go away, as if getting a vaccine is difficult.
It’s free, it literally takes seconds and for the vast majority of people the side effects are a few hours of feeling like you have a cold, if you get any at all.
But please, continue to talk about ‘bending over’. You getting it in your hoop, are you?
@John Boland: Paul got you there. Be careful not to make that mistake.
I’m fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine but also under no illusion that MRNA is a relatively new technology in this regard. I made a conscious and informed decision to take it but I equally support those who make a conscious and informed decision not to take it. That is their right and we can’t ignore bodily integrity when it suits us. But that aside, it would be naive to think that the protests are solely about vaccinations because they aren’t. A lot of fully vaccinated people like myself will be there on the 24th to voice our dissatisfaction with this government and the direction in which they’re attempting to lead us on a whole range of issues. FG made the mistake of writing us all off as loons and nut jobs when we protested about water charges. I’d be delighted if they do the same again to be honest because it gives us the upper hand. Either way it’s going to be interesting few months.
@Declan Doherty: Where can I get information on the protest on the 24th? We’re going to have to go rooting because you can bet there won’t be much coverage in the MSM.
@Declan Doherty: Anti govs will protest anything proposed by the gov even if it makes sense or is good for the hosptitality service and all the workers waiting to return to give one example. And you thinking the fact that you are vaccinated makes your stance more legit! lol. I bet your concern for boiliy integrity has a political basis too.
@Declan Doherty: Irish people like things that they can label in black and white terms as good and bad without having to think about the issue.
They don’t like to think more deeply into things. People were written off as crazy conspiracy theorists this time last year at the idea of a vaccine passport. Now it’s being used not only to facilitate travel, but it’s a MUST in order to avail of goods and services in this country. Furthermore, Varadkar is talking about REQUIRING the passport in order to enter museums, concerts, and other public places.
The vast majority of vulnerable are vaccinated. This is not in the name of public health, nor does it justify it.
@Declan Doherty: You are going to protest and support a woman who doesn’t believe covid exists, that has called for protests against Tony Holohan at his wife’s funeral. Her pals supporting Qanon with their tshirts, New World Order, Earth is flat.
Yes, they are nut jobs and loons and you are standing with them.
@Ally Mc Culladgh: Yes indeed just like I stood with PBP on the water charge issue. I quickly found myself attending meetings and organising protests with people I had very little in common with politically but when you have a cause to fight for you set aside those differences and work together. We won that battle because the people united in huge numbers and you now have more cash in your pocket because of it. You’re very welcome.
@Marie Broomfield: No. I’m only willing to protest against things I disagree with. That happens to be almost everything that FFG do but that’s to be expected when we have a government as incompetent self serving as we do. And the fact that I’m vaccinated is very relevant because it proves that I’m neither anti science nor antivax. Quite the opposite on both actually. I don’t understand your comment on bodily integrity but all I can say is I believe everyone should have the right to decide what happens to their body and that’s an ethical, moral and political stance that most people share as we saw during the abortion debate.
For people who are convinced the vaccine is untested or contains chemicals that will definitely cause long term side effects/magnetism, can you put up some links to where you are getting your information?
@Football in the Groin: likewise put up a link that proves it doesnt.
@Football in the Groin: I dont believe that so why would I post proof of something I dont believe. I will however wait until trials have finished in 2023. This vaccine was brought in under emergency legislation.
@Ruairi Colton: The vaccines have been gone through the same testing criteria as any other vaccine and have been approved for use. The burden of proof falls on you to show any evidence that supports your opinion otherwise.
@Football in the Groin: I’m not expressing an opinion here but relying facts. Covid vaccines are tested like any other vaccines, and very few will deny that and the immediate benefit of getting vaccinated gives to the person.
However long term side effects would only appear after a long time by definition, 2, 5 maybe 10 years, and that’s why some people would be cautious and I understand that also. No matter how technology has progressed, time is the only parameter that cannot be fast tracked.
Nothing is all black and white.
We have to respect people that are cautious. And before you say they are anti vax, they are not, most of those people are happily vaccinated for other diseases because we have knowledge of the potential long term effects.
@Mike Ryan: Approved for EMERGENCY use. They are still in trials until 2023.
@Mike Ryan: You see this is where the problem lies. You dont even know that the vaccines were brought in under emergency legislation and are under trial until 2023. Yet I bet you have taken it.
@Football in the Groin: For the list of long term side effects, you only have to read what the pharma companies themselves along with regulatory authorities have listed as side effects. So why would we need to provide a link from other sources? You haven’t even mentioned deaths. Do you believe nobody has died as a result of these jabs?
@Ruairi Colton: the worst of it is that it appears some GP’s do not even seem to be aware of the protocol with reporting side effects for a vaccine under EUA. Either that or they couldn’t be bothered filling out the form for the patient. Someone I know has had a racing heart and problems with her legs (very hard to walk) since she got the vaccine. She went to her gp who said that it couldn’t be the vaccine as she had it 4 weeks ago. Now she’s been back and forth to the hospital for ecg’s and stress tests with no diagnosis as yet. Even the pharmaceutical companies own literature says to report all side effects that occur and there is no time limit for reporting
@Dave: are you really sharing that article and video as credible sources… Have a day off
@AnnaAnna.: “Pfizer and Moderna linked to myocarditis”
5 deaths out of 197 million doses in Europe, in elderly or with preexisting medical conditions i.e. 1 in 39.4 million doses.
“Five people died. The review said they were all either elderly or had other health conditions.” – EMA
While there were on average 1 case of myocarditis per 1 million doses, most cases were mild and people recovered.
The Risk benefit profile still favors vaccination, even among the young:
https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/TREBLE_05-COVID-Wallace-508-31.png
@Dave: Dear God! Are you really prepared to publicly stand behind that link? Why don’t you watch John Oliver on YouTube about vaccinations. I can’t post the links here (for some reason), but just type in those keywords. 2 videos, one from a couple of months ago and the second from 4 years ago.
@Realist: Oh right, so when an epidemiologist says something you don’t agree with, you just dismiss it. This has been repeated in other articles. But you will only accept it when mainstream news reports it. The same mainstream media that have massive ties with pharma companies & bury EVERYTHING that blows the narrative.
@David A. Murray: Ok so David. You don’t accept his opinion. So tell me then, how many registered deaths have been reported in the US?
@David Jordan: David it was widely reported in the media last month that the MRNA vaccines are linked to myocarditis after vaccination in young males particularly. It doesn’t matter if they are terming it ‘mild myocarditis’. Heart muscle cannot regenerate so there are people out there with heart damage as a result of the vaccine that will lead to further trouble in the years ahead
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/06/210629144315.htm
@David A. Murray: I posted this in another article. This is from the ECDC. Are they trustworthy enough for you? And remember, this is the results of just ONE specific side effect. If you add all of the other side effects together, how much greater would the risk of vaccine deaths be than covid deaths? https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40328123.html%3ftype=amp
@Dave: no because it says that covid is a bioweapon and vaccines are stage two of said bioweapon… As I said, have a day off
@Dave: of course people have died. Give 3.5 billion doses of any vaccine and you will have deaths.
@David Jordan: 1 death per 39.4 million doses. Lets compare that to other risks. How about death by falling down stairs….
https://ellisinjurylaw.com/premises/how-many-people-have-died-from-falling-down-stairs/
12,000 per year die falling down stairs in the US, that is 3.36 deaths per 100,000 people per year or 0.009 deaths per 100,000 people per day.
Vaccine risk is: 1 death per 39.4 million doses = 0.0025 per 100,000.
Yes, US citizens are literally 3.6 times more likely to die falling down the stairs on their way to get their Pfizer and Moderna vaccine.
@Dave: also Dave the rave, one swallow doesn’t make a summer #haveadayoff
@Sam Harms: Address the ECDC study then Sam. 10 people die from covid & 21 die from just ONE specific type of blood clot as a result of the vaccine. Exactly how many vaccine deaths, to prevent 10, do you think is acceptable when all of the other side effects are added? And this doesn’t even include the serious & long-term side effects that are happening too, like strokes/myocarditis.
@David Jordan: but my original comment did not mention death so it’s a false comparison of statistics. People can live with myocarditis and Gullian-Barre etc but their quality of life can be seriously affected
@AnnaAnna.: Myocarditis is a muscle inflammation of the heart, it is usually transient, it usually does not leave any permanent effects.
“Myocarditis is generally a mild and self-limited consequence of systemic infection of cardiotropic viruses.”
Tschöpe, C., Cooper, L.T., Torre-Amione, G. and Van Linthout, S., 2019. Management of myocarditis-related cardiomyopathy in adults. Circulation research, 124(11), pp.1568-1583.
Myocarditis is common, usually linked to viral infection. It is likely you had the condition at one point in you life, many be several times, usually during a bout of flu. Ever remember having heart palpitations during flu, heart pounding? That was probably Myocarditis.
“Background Current literature suggests that myocarditis is a common event during influenza infection, occurring with a prevalence rate of up to 10%, but these studies have relied on relatively nonspecific techniques of varying sensitivities for the detection of myocyte injury.”
They are saying that Myocarditis due to flu may be even more common than we think. And COVID-19 also causes Myocarditis, especially in the young. It is usually a mild and self-limiting, leaving no long term or permanent damage.
And that is the same for this rare and usually mild side effect vaccines, and the risk of COVID-19 is greater:
“Walensky explained that “if we have a group of 12 to 17-year-olds who we’re working to vaccinate over the next four months and can vaccinate 1 million of them, which would be great strides, over the next four months we could expect 30 to 40 of these mild self-limited cases of myocarditis. And for that, if we were to vaccinate all 1 million we would avert 8,000 cases of Covid, 200 hospitalizations, 50 ICU stays and one death.”
@David Jordan: myocarditis is the 3rd leading cause of sudden adult death syndrome
https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/about-myocarditis/
@Dave: I actually don’t agree with AZ or J&J being given to younger people, the ones who that study was about, which is why I waited to get Pfizer. But as far as I remember the numbers from that study were based on giving AZ to the entire population in that age group which won’t be happening. Covid also has serious long term side effects and more younger people are ending up in ICU. I saw a video earlier from a young guy in the US who was super fit and perfectly healthy and has been in hospital for the last week.
@Dave: And Natural News biggest fan is that dangerous fascist, Alex Jones.
@AnnaAnna.: I’d say you made that up. Remember when Enda Kenny used to talk about imaginary people.
@AnnaAnna.: That’s irrelevant, I remind you that out of 197 million doses of mRNA vaccine, in the EU, there were 5 deaths linked to vaccine related myocarditis in Elderly or people with pre-exiting medical conditions .
@AnnaAnna.: “myocarditis is the 3rd leading cause of sudden adult death syndrome”
But it is a very rare cause of death and it is not related to vaccines, most likely caused by viral infection. Here in Europe:
“Among autopsied SCD (n = 753, 55%), cause of death was myocarditis in 42 (6%) cases corresponding to an SCD-myocarditis incidence of 0.16 (95%CI: 0.11–0.21) per 100,000 person-years.”
So just over 1 in 1 million people died from myocarditis per year in this study:
Lynge, T.H., Nielsen, T.S., Winkel, B.G., Tfelt-Hansen, J. and Banner, J., 2019. Sudden cardiac death caused by myocarditis in persons aged 1–49 years: a nationwide study of 14 294 deaths in Denmark. Forensic sciences research, 4(3), pp.247-256.
COVID-19 caused myocarditis in a 21-year-old:
“A 21-year-old female patient visited our hospital for febrile sensation, coughing, sputum, diarrhoea, and shortness of breath during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) outbreak in Daegu, South Korea.
Myocarditis combined with COVID-19 was confirmed by multimodality imaging.”
Kim, I.C., Kim, J.Y., Kim, H.A. and Han, S., 2020. COVID-19-related myocarditis in a 21-year-old female patient. European heart journal, 41(19), pp.1859-1859.
@Sam Harms: So you believe that nobody in America, that hasn’t authorised AZ, has died from the same type of blood clot that was studied? And if you really want to go down the route of videos, I could tell you about some of the ones I’ve seen from vaccine injuries. Also today it’s come out that the UK hired actors to pretend they had covid that were interviewed by UK media. Look up Darren Howard & Matthew Roche.
@Sam Harms: Either way Sam, the way some people are going on, anybody with concerns should just shut up & take the jab. We should just ignore valid concerns that nobody in authority or the media will address. And from now we’ll be excluded from indoor dining. Fine. But what’s next? The legislation that was approved is open to abuse. And it will be too late to do anything when unvaccinated adults are barred from say shops/hospitals. And whatever about adults, will people be happy if their unvaccinated kids can’t go to school/college or play sports, for a disease that barely affects them? I don’t think so.
@Ruairi Colton: another dangerous knuckledragger.
@AnnaAnna.: Thanks for the link, interesting.
No deaths. 79% out of 295 fully recovered, very few (only 9 cases, 3%) had serious symptoms.
“Of the 295 people who have developed the condition and have been discharged, 79% of them have fully recovered, according to the presentation. Nine people were hospitalized, with two in intensive care as of June 11, according to the agency.”
Risk of Myocarditis is lower for Pfizer.
19.8 cases per million for Moderna
8 cases per million for Pfizer
The Risk benefit profile still favors vaccination, even among the young:
https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/TREBLE_05-COVID-Wallace-508-31.png
@David Jordan: yes David. My original comment listed side effects linked to the vaccines. I mentioned above your comparisons to death statistics were irrelevant at this time. However myocarditis whether mild or not leaves scar tissue. Heart muscle does not regenerate so these people with ‘mild myocarditis’ will likely have further health issues down the line. 1200 cases of myocarditis in young adults linked to the vaccines confirmed by the CDC. And that’s only what was reported. Very different from your ’5 deaths from myocarditis in the elderly’.
@David Jordan: and there has actually been deaths. Here us one example. Another 16 year old has a cardiac arrest during the trial. Of course many of these deaths are ‘under investigation’ or ‘not confirmed
https://abc6onyourside.com/news/nation-world/teen-dies-in-sleep-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-vaccine-cdc-investigating-michigan-saginaw-jacob-clynick-second-dose-vaers
@David Jordan: here’s another example from Israel. Heart inflammation after vaccine. If she had received better and earlier treatment by the hospital she could have survived
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hospital-blamed-over-womens-death-from-heart-inflammation-after-vaccination/
@AnnaAnna.: On the other hand, 7 children who have COVID-19 are in ICUs in Mississippi, the US state with lowest vaccination rate
Mississippi Population: 2.976 million
@David Jordan: 7 children not given ivermectin are now in ICU
@Ruairi Colton: If you don’t believe that then the comment isn’t directed at you. Do people read comments before replying?
@AnnaAnna.: “7 children not given ivermectin are now in ICU”
13-year-old boy admitted to ICU due to a serious adverse reaction to Ivermectin:
“We report the case of a 13-year-old boy admitted to the pediatric intensive care unit for impaired consciousness. He had received a single oral dose of ivermectin (0.23 mg per kilogram of body weight) to prevent scabies infection 2 hours 30 minutes before the onset of
impaired consciousness.”
Baudou, E., Lespine, A., Durrieu, G., André, F., Gandia, P., Durand, C. and Cunat, S., 2020. Serious ivermectin toxicity and human ABCB1 nonsense mutations. New England Journal of Medicine, 383(8), pp.787-789.
@Football in the Groin: didn’t they say the same about the swine flu Vac. What’s happened this year (4 years after?) people are getting compo claims for narcolepsy…. Not much in the news but its there if you look.
@David Jordan: grasping at straws David. Here is the link to the Journal you quote. Surprised you didn’t include it as you usually do ;) It says the boy made a full recovery after 48 hours…the discoverers of ivermectin were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2015….and also ‘This drug is reputed to be REMARKABLY safe thanks to it’s ability to be effluxed by the ATP-binding cassette subfamily B member 1 transporter in the blood-brain barrier
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1917344
@AnnaAnna.: 667 serous adverse events and 67 deaths linked to Ivermectin, mostly involving toxidermias, hepatic and renal disorders (also 6 cases of cardiac failure).
These adverse events are rare, but they may not be any more or less rare than the rare adverse events linked to Vaccines.
My point is that all drugs/vaccines carry risks, and the befits and risk are weighed.
Currently, the Risk benefit profile still favors vaccination, even among the young: https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/TREBLE_05-COVID-Wallace-508-31.png
Ref.:
Campillo, J.T., Boussinesq, M., Bertout, S., Faillie, J.-L. and Chesnais, C.B. 2021. Serious adverse reactions associated with ivermectin: A systematic pharmacovigilance study in sub-Saharan Africa and in the rest of the World. PLOS Neglected Tropical Diseases, 15, e0009354, https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pntd.0009354.
@Ruairi Colton: Science doesn’t work like that, you can’t scientifically prove a negative.
Why is it unsafe to allow unvaccinated people into a pub? Arent the vaccinated already safe? Who does this protect exactly?
@Ruairi Colton: the unvaccinated, younger staff maybe? Otherwise I really don’t know
@Ruairi Colton: protects
@Ruairi Colton: protects themselves. The virus spreads much more easily between unvaccinated people. That’s why they invented a vaccine. Allowing a group of unvaccinated people dine together in an indoor space is like ringing the dinner bell for the virus. You only need one infected person and this delta variant will hop from host to host. Vaccinated people too at risk but to a lesser degree.
@Ruairi Colton: How do 100 people get covid when they are all vaccinated at sea most of the time and no unvaccinated people around? Is it really worth creating a 2 tier society just to punish the unvaccinated when the vaccinated can just easily make you ill?
About 100 fully vaccinated crewmembers onboard the HMS Queen Elizabeth have been infected with COVID-19.
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told the BBC that the deployed crewmembers had all received two doses of the COVID vaccine.
@On the right side: The Aircraft Carrier has a crew 1,600, of these 100 caught the virus. That is 6.25%. That means the vaccine is effective.
For comparison, 1,046 out of 1,760 caught the virus (60%) on the Charles de Gaulle, before vaccines were a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Charles_de_Gaulle
@On the right side: Exactly. Anyone can spread it,vaccinated or not.
six votes in it. FFG are barely hanging in there. The lack of debate in the Dail around the issue has raised a lot of suspicion among the public. Could it be the government parties have engaged in something they regularly accuse the opposition of – Populism, but on this occasion is backfiring as it doesn’t seem to be that popular at all.
@Angela McCarthy: SF voted against hospitality opening. That won’t be forgotten by hospitality workers and that’s the real story here.
@GrumpyAulFella: Such tripe. SF wanted to wait until the vast majority of us are vaccinated and then open up indoor hospitality for all and without vaccine certs. Facts matter but you just keep twisting and spouting nonsense.
@GrumpyAulFella: no they didn’t. It was Tony’s recommendation that hospitality should not open unless it was for vaccinated only. SF voted against discrimination. We could have opened up indoor dining for everyone next week as many countries around Europe have done.
@JustMeHere: Ah yeah, let hospitality wait another 6-8 weeks like Paul Murphy said. I’m sure the restauranteurs love hearing such tripe come from people like him.
@AnnaAnna.: to be fair there’s a few of the countries you talk about now quickly backtracking and introducing similar systems, all be it recognising a negative test. But would people really pay €50 for a test before going out to for an overpriced meal anyway? Maybe some would but I know I wouldn’t.
@JustMeHere: ok so how long until the “vast majority” will be vaccinated? So I’ll rephrase my post. SF wish to postpone hospitality reopening, to keep businesses closed and people out of work until such time, undetermined, in the future when the vast majority of people are vaccinated. I’m sure that will be great comfort to the workers alright. Looks like another SF own goal.
@AnnaAnna.: yes but SF don’t want to open up indoor dining for everyone, rightly so, until everyone (or vast majority) are vaccinated. That is their stated position now. The “discrimination” line from them is an attempt to save face while kicking small businesses when they are down. Even SF supporters acknowledge this. Notice the absence of the usual Shinner bots on these articles.
@JustMeHere: That’s not true. There was a motion put by the rural independent group. To open all hospitality immediately with no consideration to guidelines or that we only have 50%fully vaccinated at time hospital admissions are rising.
@NotMyIreland: From what I’ve heard, in a lot of cases antigen testing is accepted and free to avail of. Don’t have a source to back that up though, admittedly. That said, you think paying e50 for a weekend of indoor dining/pub going is out of the question? Been a while since I used to go out regularly on the weekends, but I’ve seen plenty of people who have píssed away far more than e50 doing it.
@Nollaig Ó Ceallaigh: where is antigen testing free? Yes I guess there may be some value if you can use the result for a few days/nights out in a row.
@NotMyIreland: Can’t give a definitive answer to this. I mentioned in my comment that it was hearsay, so it might not be true. I’d be interested to hear from those living abroad what their experiences are, as I’m fairly sure it was here that I read about it.
@Nollaig Ó Ceallaigh: sorry thought you meant they were free in Ireland.
People accepting this as a good move could end up feeling very f00lish when/if it transpires that this is a step down a road of freedom limitation. Calling people Karens, conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers is pretty lazy and shows denial to even consider if these moves are a direction we want to go down, both now and post Covid.
This move changes the country we live in and I for one feel very uncomfortable with it.
I’m open minded and willing to be convinced otherwise but simply saying we’re in a pandemic and have to accept it doesn’t stack up for me when the vulnerable are protected and covid poses little danger to the rest.
@Kevin Hill: Just get the vaccine and you get in, whats the bother? And a few extra weeks to wait shouldn’t mean shouting from the rooftops all sorts of nonsense like discrimination or apartheid.
@Paul Cunningham: if you can’t see a dangerous precedent here Paul, I can’t convince you otherwise. People seem to get more triggered by people being concerned/annoyed with this legislation than the legislation itself, my perspective is one of concern at the potential this brings in reducing freedoms. Just wait a few weeks you say? We’ve been hearing that for a while. €9 chicken tenders got you inside a restaurant/ pub last year- this year it’s mandatory vaccination using technology that is so new I’ve stuff in food press that’s been around longer. You don’t have to be anti vax to be concerned or hesitant here- but I guess shouting anti-Vax from the rooftops is ok. Hold firm.
@Paul Cunningham: How do 100 people get covid when they are all vaccinated at sea most of the time and no unvaccinated people around? Is it really worth creating a 2 tier society just to punish the unvaccinated when the vaccinated can just easily make you ill?
About 100 fully vaccinated crewmembers onboard the HMS Queen Elizabeth have been infected with COVID-19.
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told the BBC that the deployed crewmembers had all received two doses of the COVID vaccine.
@On the right side: The Aircraft Carrier has a crew 1,600, of these 100 caught the virus. That is 6.25%. That means the vaccine is effective.
For comparison, 1,046 out of 1,760 caught the virus (60%) on the Charles de Gaulle, before vaccines were a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Charles_de_Gaulle
@On the right side: yes, if people don’t get the vaccine they deserve to live with the consequences of that decision. Rights carry responsibilities and consequences, they should suck it up.
Tens of hundreds more like
@AnnaAnna.: Billions more like.
@Rebecca BarrettNp: not seen the videos Rebecca? Don’t worry, I’m sure the Journal have a fact-check on the way ;)
Add on da@ft.ie looking for only vaccinated people…
Elderly lady jailed for 90 days for not wearing a mask when England will advise nx week that masks aren’t a requirement everywhere…
Slippery slope …but sure any one with an opinion that differs from the narrative that habnst out for us is an anti-vaxer or conspiracy nut…
Never be afraid to challange the status quo & keep asking questions.
@Hear me now: That lady was jailed after repeated offences and refusing to wear a mask in court, she was in breach of public health guidelines on multiple occasions.
@Rebecca BarrettNp: so you agree with jailing an elderly lady for not wearing a mask that has never been scientifically proven to actually stop the transmission of Covid.
Perhaps some community service!?
There’s thugs walking the streets who have done far far worse & were never given 90 days.
Wake up!!!!
@Hear me now: remember when people were jailed for not having a TV licence while dru.ggies and r@pists walked the streets freely. Things never really change, they just move about slightly, unfortunately
@Anna Carr: agreed Anna but that doesn’t make it ok…it needs to be called out .Over & over again…it’s shameful that this lady has been jailed.
@Hear me now: In that specific case I do, yes, as the individual in question has spent the last 18 months making a nuisance of herself all around the country. Anti-maskers are anti-workers.
@Rebecca BarrettNp: wow! Lock up an old lady for being a nuisance….seriously just listen to yourself….it’s just plain black or white with you…little tio…look for the grey ..& when you find the grey look for different shades of grey ..
@Hear me now: The woman constantly defied court orders, was abusive to staff, she deserved to be locked up, things aren’t so black and white. Perhaps you should look for the grey. Is it acceptable to abuse retail staff? Is it acceptable to constantly deny a court order.
PS masks do work :)
@Hear me now: Yeah she deserved it. Forgetting once, wave her on, but repeatedly doing it and causing scenes deserves consequences.
Also here’s a link from the cdc on how wearing a mask reduces exposure to droplets less than 10 microns and offers nearly 50% extra protection against such exposure. Some of their studies also found that wearing a mask in a high exposure environment reduced risk by 70%. while having no adverse effects.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
I’m fully vaccinated but I feel that unvaccinated people are only putting themselves in jeopardy. So why the rules?
@Here’s How Podcast: I get what you’re saying but at the end of the day, there are going to be a percentage of the population refusing to be vaccinated and they can’t be banned forever. This is doing so much harm in putting brother against brother, so to speak.
@Anna Carr: They’re not going to be banned forever though. Once a certain % is reached we hugely benefit from vaccinations as a group. Until then it’s about trying to make sure numbers don’t climb up again while some still wait to be vaccinated.
And anyone who’s about to come in with the ‘slippery slope’ BS and try to claim that this is forever, save yourself the bother.
@Here’s How Podcast:’unvaccinated people pose a risk to people who can’t get vaccinated’ do you actually believe vaccinated people are not a risk to them?
How do 100 people get covid when they are all vaccinated on a ship, at sea most of the time and no unvaccinated people around?
Is it really worth creating a 2 tier society just to punish the unvaccinated when the vaccinated can just easily pose the same risk to people who can’t be vaccinated?
About 100 fully vaccinated crewmembers onboard the HMS Queen Elizabeth have been infected with COVID-19.
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told the BBC that the deployed crewmembers had all received two doses of the COVID vaccine.
@On the right side: The Aircraft Carrier has a crew 1,600, of these 100 caught the virus. That is just 6.25%, almost 95% didn’t. That means the vaccine is about 90% effective, as expected.
For comparison, 1,046 out of 1,760 caught the virus (60%) on the Charles de Gaulle, before vaccines were a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Charles_de_Gaulle
@Here’s How Podcast: so the Irish Council for Civil liberties have stated that they are against this legislation on the grounds that it creates a two tier society, are you ok with that?
I was there last night, to protest against medical discrimination and coercion, if you can’t see that, then you probably don’t want to, the was 1500- 2000 people there that freely the same way
@Michael Byrne: discriminated against what and coerced into what? Are you against vaccines in general or just waiting your turn, in which case any “discrimination” will be temporary and on the grounds of public health interests in the midst of a global health emergency in which over 5m have died, so is therefore justified.
Get vaxxed for everyone’s sake or exercise your freedom not to. But understand that like freedom of speech, it does not mean freedom from responsibility or consequence.
@Alan McDonald: Well said sir
“Hundreds” hardly constitutes a “Large” crowd considering the several million that weren’t protesting ?
So SF want hospitality closed until October at least. Wow.
@Tim Quigley: They were the ones going on about the economy collapsing and lobbying for the businesses reopening but now to many of their voters are anti vaccination anti reopening that they have done a 180. Spineless, sheeple party.
@Pauline Gallagher: where are all of the Shinnerbots who normally populate these pages? I don’t see them on here defending the Politburo’s decision to vote against opening-up all hospitality and getting people back to work. We have a SF on here last week complaining that rural pubs were on their knees at a lot couldn’t open as no space for outdoor hospitality. Amazing u turn.
@Pauline Gallagher: I think a lot of people are beginning to see the populism of Sf. Every day they wait to see what way the wind blows. Couldn’t stand over any difficult decision and so are not a party for government.
There are many of us who got vaccinated because we thought it would help others; I doubt anyone got vaccinated with a view to dis-advantaging others. This decision cannot stand. But it highlights what must be clear to all by now, that this isn’t a real republic.
Disappointed in the journal, where is the articles about Myanmar and what the junta are doing to people? Shooting at civilians, their crime? Filling oxygen tanks as covid wreaks havoc :( :( but an article about how people feel oppressed dancing in the street over new guidelines to indoor dining.
@Ally Mc Culladgh: ya whaaat? People protesting at European travel passes that were introduced to allow travel being introduced here to restrict who can and can’t dine indoors….you think that’s not news worthy!! There were riots in France about their intentions to force vaccinations.
@Kevin Hill: not really. Irish people are an impatient lot if they can’t wait a few weeks before getting vaccinated.
@Ally Mc Culladgh: The amount of Irish showing themselves up for the selfish, blinkered, paranoid people that they are is embarrassing
@Ally Mc Culladgh: If you fancy penning one, maybe they’ll accept your submission…? Seeing as how you’re so passionate, I’m sure it’ll be a cracking read, too.
@Kevin Hill: Yes Kevin, it’s ridiculous isn’t the outrage about indoor dining when people are begging for oxygen for loved ones as they are being shot dead by a tyrannical junta.
I’m taking my family on holiday to Ireland soon for the first time in 5 years.My wife and are both vaccinated but my daughter’s are not because the vaccine is not yet available for their age group here in Spain. The problem is that my eldest daughter will turn 18 while we are in Ireland and therefore will not be able to enter restaurants or pubs for us to eat together as a family. This will definitely limit out holiday unfortunately.
@Shane O Mahony: First World problem. Do picnics.
@Shane O Mahony: eat outside. It’s 22 degrees here at the moment, just like Spain.
Well I suppose if you are protesting in Ireland it’s ok to do so with an Irish Flag
How do 100 people get covid when they are all vaccinated at sea most of the time and no unvaccinated people around?
Is it really worth creating a 2 tier society just to punish the unvaccinated when the vaccinated can just easily make you ill?
About 100 fully vaccinated crewmembers onboard the HMS Queen Elizabeth have been infected with COVID-19.
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told the BBC that the deployed crewmembers had all received two doses of the COVID vaccine.
@On the right side: The Aircraft Carrier has a crew 1,600, of these only 100 caught the virus, that is 6.25%. That means the vaccine is about 90% effective, as expected.
For comparison, 1,046 out of 1,760 caught the virus (60%) on the Charles de Gaulle, before vaccines were a thing. Ten times higher than HMS Queen Elizabeth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Charles_de_Gaulle
Dr. Roger Hodkinson: “HEADS WILL ROLL; This is an interview with Dr Hodkinson on vaccines and is well worth a look. It is available on Facebook. I would normally put up a link but it probably would be deleted.
Heard one protester on RTÉ radio state that he was concerned that the ‘Ireland of his youth, a caring, open society, was being eroded by this legislation’. As a gay man, let me tell you, Ireland in the past was anything but caring and open!
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