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Ukraine seeks evidence as video appears to show missile hitting downed airliner over Iran

American, British and Canadian officials say intelligence sources indicate that Iran shot down the plane.

iran-plane-crash A satellite photo of the crash site. AP / Maxar Technologies AP / Maxar Technologies / Maxar Technologies

UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR Zelensky said he would speak to US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo today following claims that Iran shot down a Ukrainian airliner.

American, British and Canadian officials say intelligence sources indicate that Iran shot down the plane, killing all 176 onboard, perhaps unintentionally.

“The version of a missile is not ruled out, but it has not yet been confirmed,” Zelensky said on his Facebook page.

He reiterated Ukraine’s request to be sent all information needed to conduct a thorough investigation and said he would talk about the probe with Pompeo later today.

“Our goal is to establish the undeniable truth,” he said. “The value of human life is above all political motives.”

Oleksiy Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine’s national security and defence council, earlier said investigators were pursuing several leads following the crash, including a strike with a surface-to-air missile like a Russian-made Tor, a collision with a drone, engine failure or an act of terror.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said yesterday tha multiple intelligence sources indicate that Iran shot down a Ukrainian airliner after it took off from Tehran, killing all 176 on board, including 63 Canadians.

Trudeau’s comments came as video emerged that appeared to show the moment the airliner was hit.

That and other footage posted on social media increasingly pointed to a catastrophic mistake by Tehran’s air defense batteries in bringing down Ukraine International Airlines Flight PS752 early Wednesday.

The video, which The New York Times said it verified, shows a fast-moving object rising at an angle into the sky before a bright flash is seen, which dims and then continues moving forward. Several seconds later an explosion is heard.

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Citing information from allies as well as Canada’s own intelligence, Trudeau said the plane appeared to have been hit by an Iranian surface-to-air (SAM) missile.

“We know this may have been unintentional. Canadians have questions, and they deserve answers,” Trudeau told reporters.

He was backed by other Western leaders, including British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who said mounting evidence supported a missile strike, which “may well have been unintentional.”

Iran’s civil aviation chief Ali Abedzadeh has however said he was “certain” the plane was not hit by a missile.

“One thing is for certain, this airplane was not hit by a missile,” Abedzadeh told a news conference in Tehran.

US President Donald Trump indicated that Washington officials believed the Kiev-bound Boeing 737 was struck by one or more Iranian missiles before it ditched and exploded outside Tehran.

The US National Transportation Safety Board late Thursday said it had received formal notification of the crash from Iran and would send a representative to join the crash probe.

Iran’s foreign ministry earlier invited the US plane maker Boeing to “participate” in the inquiry.

The flight went down in the dark just minutes after takeoff, with no radio message from the pilot to indicate distress, according to the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization.

It was carrying 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and three Britons.

© – AFP 2020

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    Mute Ray de Róiste
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    Jan 10th 2020, 8:49 AM

    Interesting that someone had decided to record that part of the sky seconds before a missle launch

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    Jan 10th 2020, 8:56 AM

    @Ray de Róiste: something very very fishy alright. We’ll probably never find out what truly happened. All we can know is that a few hundred innocent people died in a very powerful person’s game of politics and it will go unpunished.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 8:57 AM

    @Ray de Róiste: if there was a missile flying about my back garden I would probably record it too. In fairness.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 8:59 AM

    @Ray de Róiste: It was probably the second of two missiles that hit the plane, so the guy filming took out his cell phone after the sound of first explosion or the sound of the missile launch. People were out with the cell phones waiting for the US response to the Iranian missile attack a couple of hours earlier.

    “Two surface-to-air missile launches were detected by a U.S. spy satellite from an Iranian battery near the airport minutes after the jet took off, followed by an explosion near the plane, said a person familiar with the investigation who spoke on the condition of anonymity.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-09/missile-strike-seen-by-u-s-officials-as-likely-iran-crash-cause

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:00 AM

    @Ray de Róiste: The moving object we see is the missile, correct?

    Plausible that someone was outside, saw the missile moving quickly through the air and started to record?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:05 AM

    @Ray de Róiste: I suppose it’s possible he was already recording flying missiles

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:10 AM

    @Seamus Murphy: lads , that could be one of many hundred missiles fired over recent years in the region which hit their intended target.
    Nothing to suggest this is flight 752

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:12 AM

    @Chris Judge: Chris, you might be right but think of this way, you are an Iranian and according to the US, its a hardcase nut job of a country, you video that missle hitting the plane and you publish it and have it traceable back to you? That doesn’t add up – it be a death sentence if we believe how bad things are in Iran.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:21 AM

    @Jim Buckley Barrett: Hmm, I guess. but maybe the person didn’t realise what was hit when they uploaded the video? Plenty of missiles being fired over there recently, so I’m sure those within view have been recording when they can.

    I’m not saying it’s 100% sure, but it’s plausible and worth thinking about.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:34 AM

    @Ray de Róiste: The location of the video was filmed at was found, at this coordinate 35.489414, 50.906917 (Copy and paste into Google). It’s just south of the flightpath of the Ukrainian plane.

    https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1215342730810986496

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:17 AM

    @Seamus Murphy: Person who took this video was quoted as saying he heard what sounded like gunshots and pulled out his phone. He saw the plane moving then the flash and the 2 bright spots in the sky.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:23 AM

    @David Jordan: there was pictures of shrapnel punctures in the plane the other day. No conspiracy here. They shot down that plane, Boeing will certainly want to keep a good safety record, they aren’t going to have a missile tarnish their brand. It’s of no benefit to them.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:49 AM

    @Ray de Róiste: People were anxious about a possible US response to earlier missile attacks. They heard a bang. It was apparently loud enough to set off car alarms. Quite a few people were likely looking up and had cameras ready or were reaching for them regularly as we all do or would do.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 8:49 AM

    Or a false flag by the US to make it look like the Iranians shot down the plane. Trump wants a war was at all costs in order to keep himself in office and out of jail.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:00 AM

    @SouperArlene: How could the US launch a surface to air missile 300 km inside Iranian territory?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:04 AM

    @SouperArlene: trump literally said he doesn’t want a war and won’t be taking any further actions. Do you like to read things first or just come up with crazy cat lady conspiracy theories off the bat?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:17 AM

    @SouperArlene: What a nutter. You named yourself aptly.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:26 AM

    @SouperArlene: you’re fairly reaching there. You’d make up any Ole tripe to suit your narrative to go against the Orange lad. Possible would be perhaps the Iranians shot it down because there were people fleeing that they knew were on board and didn’t want them getting out. A scare tactic perhaps to others thinking about leaving. It puts anyone anti regime now on edge, in fear, and therefore back under regime control.
    Perhaps the Russians are involved. They say it was a Thor Russian made missile that took the plane down.
    Perhaps it was an accident.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:29 AM

    @richiecranium: I don’t think it was a false flag either but taking something Trump said at face value is something I thought we were all past by now

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:36 AM

    @richiecranium: It does sound like a conspiracy theory but I wouldn’t necessarily believe Trump saying he doesn’t want a war. He’s a pathological liar.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:21 AM

    @Terrence Edwards: damned if he does, damned if he don’t to you guys, ey?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:32 AM

    @SouperArlene: I tend to agree with you. The missile in the video is flying horizontally. Not coming up from the surface. It’s also not impossible that an air defence system was hacked. Didn’t the US hack into Iranian nuclear refineries and cause their centrifuges to self combust. (Stuxnet)? The new battlefield is a landscape of 1s and 0s.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:36 AM

    @SouperArlene: The U.S launched a Russian made S.A.M hundreds of kilometres inside the Iranian borders?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:06 AM

    @Liam O’Conchubhair: Who’s telling you that it’s a Russian SAM? Exactly.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:50 AM

    @richiecranium: Whether he does or doesn’t want a war, you still can’t believe a single thing he says.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:55 AM

    @Liam O’Conchubhair: I wasn’t doubting you at all. My point is that Western media just pass on what they are being told by “Official sources”. I personally don’t trust official sources during times of military action.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 12:30 PM

    @SouperArlene: another possibility that could make it a false flag..
    there are proxy wars going on all across the Middle East . Secret militias. Who’s to say it was one of these militia from Saudi or Iran , US Russia, UK and Israel. These are the main players here. All 5 no doubt have men on the ground in Iran with access to RPG and other weapons that could take down a plane . Nothing will slip past the Air crash investigators. They will find the reason why the plane crashed and also if a weapon did it, which weapon. It’s just about the who then. If it’s US UK Saudi Israeli, it’s showing the Iranians , look , we can do anything to strike back and also make it look like you. My earlier comment says why Iran might do it.
    Russia have an ongoing crisis with Ukraine also.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 1:07 PM

    @Martin McFly: During the Japanese tanker “mine” incident, the US had no less than 3 known distinct aircraft in the air at the time. We know about them because one was shot down (RQ-4) and Iran reported that they realised that another was crewed (Poseidon P-8) so they spared their lives in the interests of diplomacy. An MQ-9 Reaper flew across the bow. What were they all doing? The Poseidon had (unusually) a crew of 38! The idea that the US would not fly inside enemy territory at a time their own bases are under attack is simply a weak argument. You can be pretty sure that UAVs were covertly operating anywhere a threat was perceived. “Surveillance Drones” are more like fighter aircraft. Look at all the “surveillance gear” on this MQ-9 https://images.app.goo.gl/xxsJ8YmrmMVqLjBP7

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    Jan 10th 2020, 1:16 PM

    @SouperArlene: There has never been a false flag anytime, anywhere, ever. Nope. Not that time either. Nope. None.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 1:30 PM

    @SouperArlene: Not to mention that a false flag would have to make sense as an aggressive act by Iran. This only makes sense as an accident caused by paranoia. (And they’ll most likely do a few more aggressive acts without prompting anyway.)

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:02 AM

    Plane was taking off in the direction of a military base, still climbing when it inexplicably turns right following what Iran says was an ‘engine failure”. They know this despite the fact that their was no contact between pilot and ground, no Mayday call, no engine failure protocol followed. The Iranians say that some of the black box was destroyed. And some people still think that this plane had mechanical failure or was shot down by the US. The Iranians have caught themselves up in a web of lies now. They should have just owned up straight away and got it out in the open. The US bombing campaigns kill civilians all the time.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:52 AM

    @GrumpyAulFella: agreed. The aircraft was 3 years old and just completed its C- check
    Nothing wrong with the plane nor did the pilots fail their passengers.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 8:48 AM

    Hard to know how real the footage is

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:10 AM

    @sb: And yet the Iranians aren’t disputing the footage and the Times has stated they’ve verified it.

    I know it’s the fashion to think every main stream news outlet just makes stuff up but is conspiracy nonsense. A paper like the NY Times wouldn’t state they’d verified a video if they hadn’t actually verified it.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:39 AM

    @Tricia G: The NY Times have lied more about just the Trump-Russia story over the past three years than Trump has lied himself. And that’s only one story. They take whatever stories they are given by whatever Gov’t agencies and print them like good the little b!t(he$ they are. That is undisputed and proven by the actions of Comey and McCabe amongst others. Don’t be so naive. Maybe they were good once upon a time back in the 1940’s or ‘50’s and 60’s. After that Operation Mockingbird came into being.
    Educate yourself on the history of ‘fake news’. Apparently it’s a fashionable term but entirely false. The NY Times would never lie to us poor plebs. They only want what’s best for us. That’s why their slogan is “Truth dies in Darkness”

    https://schoolhistory.co.uk/notes/operation-mockingbird/

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:43 AM

    @Burn_the_Witch: Aye, says the guy that still thinks Crowdstrike has a server in Ukarine.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:53 AM

    @Tricia G: Never said that in my life Trisha as I’m sure you well know, but it’s fun to throw mud when you haven’t got anything to back it up. Nor could I care less where it is. I’ll stick with the facts regarding Crowdstrike, there’s enough facts there to damn them. No need for conspiracy theories regarding Crowdstrike. You can be damn sure I know a hell of a lot more about the facts of the Crowdstrike story than you do, that’s for sure.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:16 AM

    @Tricia G: “A paper like the NY Times wouldn’t do that” lol.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:40 AM

    @Burn_the_Witch: for someone so sure of the ‘facts’ about crowdstrike, a hoax that has been widely regarded so (an inversion of climate change deniers in a way), tell us about it oh knowledgeable one….

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:47 AM

    @Burn_the_Witch: Exactly. Here’s what the NY times wrote about Pfc. Jessica Lynch (Who fell off the back of a truck and fell unconscious due to the pain caused from the leg injury she suffered as a result of the fall). “Who could have imagined that the unlikely hero of this war would be a beautiful female warrior? Pfc. Jessica Lynch was willing to fight to the death rather than be captured, shooting several Iraqis even after being shot herself.” In wartime, it’s nothing more than a propaganda publisher.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 1:31 PM

    @sb: I’ve seen at least 4 different videos from different perspectives all depicting the same thing. I’m sure someone is overlaying them to check their timings etc. I’d say the videos are real and are depicting something that actually happened. Those who cry fakery tend to not consider that if someone was making fakes -they’d likely try to make more compelling slam dunk evidence like some dozy twit did with MH17 when he went cooking a ‘satelite picture’ of a jet fighter firing at a plane which he’d accidentally rendered 3 miles long. Or more sinister -the Russian MoD presenting a picture they proposed depicted a ukrainian Anti Aircraft system only to have it demonstrated they’d photoshopped the vehicles into a field. See also their presenting screen grabs from video games as evidence of something or other in Syria.

    No the videos emerging are likely real -what they are exactly depicting is still not entirely resolved. I’m still waiting on FDR and CVR results. They’ll be most informative I think. Crew autopsies as well. But this could take month to play out.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 2:54 PM

    @Tricia G: Burn the witch is very fond of putting up the oul’ bit of fake news .Who can ever forget this cracker from him ?
    ” Can’t find it now ( his source) but that poll was made up of 0% independents, something like 60/65% Dems and 30/35% Republicans. Absolutely pointless poll. I don’t get why people pay any attention to polls anymore, we all know they are rubbish. And before you say “it’s Fox, why would they go against trump?” There is an awful lot of anti trumpers with their own Fox shows that are every bit as venomous as CNN or NBC. Which is the way it should be I guess. It’s pretty shocking that FOX is the only somewhat balanced network in the US” .
    And now the same guy is going on about the NYT :)

    Here is what Media Bias said about the NYT :”Overall, we rate the New York Times Left-Center biased based on word and story selection that moderately favors the left, but highly factual and considered one of the most reliable sources for news information due to proper sourcing and well respected journalists/editors. The failed fact checks that occurred were on Op-Ed’s and not straight news reporting. (5/18/2016) Update (M. Huitsing 9/18/2019)”

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    Jan 10th 2020, 2:56 PM

    *Burns never ever provided the link…why? ‘cos it didn’t exist.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:04 AM

    It’s even more impossible to know who to believe these days. Sad.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:41 AM

    @Paul Furey: What’s sad that many people don’t go to reputable news organisations anymore but rely instead on items shared on Facebook, often from dubious websites.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:47 AM

    @Colm O’Brien: Reputable such as?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 8:53 AM

    Problem. Reaction. Solution. Its the American way!

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:02 AM

    The missile n the video is flying horizontally. Very strange for a supposed SAM. Something very fishy going on. Meanwhile, Iran are claiming US phych ops.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:05 AM

    … I’m assuming the missile is seen coming from the left of frame, while the aircraft continues ablaze from right to left.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:20 AM

    @Paraic: They fly vertically when being launched. How do you think they get to their target if they cant fly laterally?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:35 AM

    @Jonathan Morgan: I know they can fly laterally Jonathan. But if they were launched from anywhere near the airport, climbing to 8000ft, there should be some vertical component to its trajectory. I don’t see any in the video.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:41 AM

    @Paraic: Have you a frame of reference? The vector of the missile depends on a number of factors that cannot be discerned from a piece of video. Immediate launch stage is vertical, pursuit lock and intercept on a steady climbing civilian aircraft could easily be horizontal. These missiles are designed to intercept highly maneuverable fast military aircraft at very high altitude.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:04 AM

    @SteoG: Yes the frame of reference is the camera frame which is being held vertically and buildings in shot. The missile approach is left to right.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:25 AM

    @Paraic: “climbing to 8000ft”

    Tehran is 3900 feet altitude, the plane was flying at 8000 above sea level, about 4000 feet above the ground at the time the missile hit it (1219 m). Judging from the sound delay between the explosion and sound, 10 seconds, the plane was 3.4 km away from the camera when hit by the missile.

    The missile launcher was launched from this military base 5 km to the west/left (at this coordinate, 35.5615, 50.8956). The location of the camera was at this coordinate, 35.4894, 50.9069 (copy and paste into Google). It’s just south of the flightpath of the Ukrainian plane published on FlightRadar24 (from ADS-B transmissions).

    https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1215342730810986496

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:40 AM

    @David Jordan: “Climbing to 8000ft” does not mean 8000ft above mean sea level (AMSL). Inside the airport traffic control zone area, AGL (above ground level) is used as the reference until the aircraft transitions. I know this for sure because I’m a pilot myself.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:50 AM

    @David Jordan: Oh and the location of the camera is not based on anything other than a guy on Twitter who says he thinks an area on Google maps looks something like that seen in the video. I looked and the link is very weak. Though I’m not saying that it couldn’t be, I can’t see the similarity myself.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 1:28 PM

    @Paraic: Flight Radar 24 reported ASL, not AGL. Here’s the flight profile:

    https://i.imgur.com/ND2boK3.png

    The plane takes off at 3900 feet ASL at 2:43:35 UTC. Transponder transmission stopped when still climbing at 8,000 feet ASL.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 2:06 PM

    @Paraic: Is there a standard hight above the aerodrome for the transition level to msl? Or does it change from aerodrome to aerodrome?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 2:30 PM

    @Daimhín De Naois: The procedure is to obey ATC instructions. If they say “Ascend to a height of 10 thousand” you would climb to 10,000 ft AGL.” “Maintain altitude 8 thousand” means level flight at 8000 AMSL.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 2:39 PM

    @David Jordan: David, the profile is a confusion. The vertical axis is not labelled. I read the note but that just notes the altitude (AMSL) of the runway. My interpretation in any case is that it shows a climb of 0ft to 8000ft (Correct?). This is a delta of 8000ft irrespective of which system is used. So presumably if the plane took off from the runway. 0 in the graph must represent the runway and the plane therefore climbed 8000ft above it. Therefore the graph shows AGL.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 2:47 PM

    @Daimhín De Naois: Sorry I think misinterpreted your question. What I was saying above is that “height” typically refers to AGL and “altitude” refers to AMSL. In Europe there is no standard transition height/altitude, in the US, yes. The transition height can be specified for each individual airfield and can be a function of the radius of the ATC zone.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:43 PM

    @Paraic: Thats interesting to know, I appreciate you taking the time to inform me! Thank you Paraic :) I also fully agree with your suspicions regarding the video. It wouldnt be the first time America would have downed an Iranian Civilian plane and blamed Iran-Flight 655 1988. Considering the hours from Irans attack I suspect its a US retaliation or catastrophic malfunction. Its simple to understand why Iran wont let the US anywhere near those black boxes.

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    Jan 11th 2020, 2:15 PM

    @Paraic: And the runway is at 3,305 feet, the plane takes off at 3,305 feet at 2.42:35. The 0 feet is an error.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:51 AM

    I’ve been wrestling with the transponder going dead apparently before the strike, the turn to the right and the second missile. If the first missile did it’s job there’d be no radar set for the second missile to lock onto.

    I’m starting to think the Iranians may have been technically telling the truth albeit a partial truth -so a lie by omission of pertinent material fact. The plane may have suffered a ‘mechanical failure’ -it’s transponder conked out for whatever reason. Unfortunately that rendered the plane an unidentified flying object in an area where the local military are on red alert for air raids. It’s possible those missiles may have been triggered automatically due to an ill-conceived setting

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:23 AM

    @niall quinn: transponder doing dead – care to share a source for that?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:35 AM

    @John Mc Avinue: there’s a thread on the subject on reddit full of military missile launch techs and operators who gave indept details of the various workings of their own and Russian systems. They said its highly unlikely it was the planes IFF but a failure of the launch system depending what state it was configured. It should have seen it as civilian and ignored it but the trajectory of the plane climbing is similar to that of cruise missiles on approach to targets or that the system was on auto which is often normal and when it detected the trajectory without classifying it as civilian a panicked operator feared it was an incoming attack & manually fired it. There’s zero reason for this to be seen as malicious or intended, it flies in the face of their proportional response to the US.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 12:00 PM

    @John Mc Avinue: Back to you asap on that John. Following multiple discussions on this. It’s been suggested there’s a lag in timeline between final transponder signal (06.18) and missile strike (06.19). But there could be a number of factors at play there.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:05 AM

    63 killed Canadians killed, didnt realise Iran was such a tourist mecca for Canadians. Seems more likely 63 American agents travelling on false Canadian passports killed. America 1 Iran 1.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:07 AM

    @Tim O’Brien: Canadian citizens of Iranian descent?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:11 AM

    @Tim O’Brien: You’ve just demonstrated a very insular world view.

    I work with an American Iranian. I don’t doubt there are literally 1000′s of Canadian Iranians living in Canada.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:21 AM

    @Tricia G: you’ve just demonstrated a very insular world view.

    I don’t work with a American Iranian. I doubt there are literallly thousands of Iranian Canadians living in Canada.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:30 AM

    @Seamus Murphy: wasn’t yer man that started all this, the contractor that was initially killed by the Iranians a Iranian American citizen?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:34 AM

    @Tim O’Brien: The 2016 census of Canada reports there are 210,000+ Iranian Canadians there. Here’s your coat, what’s your rush?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:42 AM

    @Clifford Brennan: wow, you can use google, amazeballs.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:46 AM

    @Tim O’Brien: We understand that you feel embarrassed because your comment was shown to be false but honestly that’s no reason to throw a tantrum.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:47 AM

    @Tim O’Brien: You’re very welcome Tim.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:08 AM

    @Tim O’Brien: The passenger list released by the Ukrainian airline shows that most of the names were Iranian. Rather than 63 spies, those who died were probably just people who had emigrated to Canada and were visiting their families back in Iran.
    My (Irish) friend has used the Kiev connection to visit his family in Tehran.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:13 AM

    @Tim O’Brien: mad always….or just online?

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:26 AM

    @Earth Traveller: majority appears to be academics, PhD students and lecturers and their families returning from holidays. On reddit loads of Canadians are given accounts of their names and they were being informed by their universitys of the deaths of lecturers and students by email.
    I initially didn’t want to jump to conclude it was shot down for nefarious reasons but it’s looking more like a young missile tech panicked due to the heightened tensions and expectations of attack or it was a failure of the missiles system to properly identify the planes IFF signal as friendly. A massive loss of life and an embarrassment for Iran after showing their people they retaliated strongly hitting US targets while not causing any fatalities, looking more proportionate than the US internationally.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:56 AM

    Makes no sense that the Iranians would shoot down a plane with majority Iranians in board. Having convenient video of the incident seems like a setup

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    Jan 10th 2020, 3:23 PM

    @Eamon Guilfoyle: they shot it down by mistake. Most likely assumed it was a US plane retaliating for the earlier Iranian missile strikes.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:20 AM

    How does anyone know the footage is from Iran?

    I couldn’t see plane crashing or a clear picture of a missile being launched.

    In any case on the night in question Iraq would be not using surface to air missiles to hit US military bases in Iraq.

    Nothing adds up

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:25 AM

    @Vladimir Macro: The location of the video was filmed at was found, at this coordinate 35.489414, 50.906917 (copy and paste into Google). It’s just south of the flightpath of the Ukrainian plane, and 10 second delay between the visible explosion and the sound, puts the cameraman 3.4 km away (340 metres per second). It all adds up.

    https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1215342730810986496

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    Jan 10th 2020, 12:17 PM

    @David Jordan: top notch investigative skill. Kudos

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    Jan 10th 2020, 2:48 PM

    @Vladimir Macro: I was thinking the same as that alright…now there’s a lad who knows his stuff.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 10:35 AM

    They recorded all 22 missiles this one was the third last hence why they are recording

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    Jan 10th 2020, 12:44 PM

    @Galwaygogo: No. The other missiles were ballistic, which are much bigger and therefore take a long time to accelerate. They were also fired hours before. This is much smaller and faster given the height of the strike and more like a SAM.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 8:59 AM

    The plane there looked fairly low in the Sky and if it was hit by a missile you would think the pilot would have made a mayday call.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:05 AM

    @David Garland: 8000 feet according to Flightradar24. Pilots possibly killed by the missile strike, shrapnel from the explosion that took out the engine. New low even for Iran – murdering their own citizens, most of the passenger were Iranians

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    Jan 10th 2020, 9:46 AM

    @PMBinARG: That’s a possibility. Could have been a target on board. Then again the Iranians were on high alert hours after their missile strikes on the US base. One of their commanders probably got a little nervous and trigger happy. Hopefully their loss will clear heads and have the effect of calming the situation. I doubt it would have gone any further than the Missile strikes on the base anyway. God bless their souls.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 11:22 AM

    @PMBinARG: Worth noting that it’s 8000ft above sea level (ASL). Tehran has an elevation of 3000ft so it’s actually only 5000ft above the ground which is not a lot of height to deal with being hit with a missile.

    Pilots in emergencies work off aviate, navigate and only then communicate so they wouldn’t do any radio calls until the first two were under control so it’s not surprising there was radio silence.

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    Jan 10th 2020, 1:26 PM

    I can smell the bullsheet through the internet

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    Jan 10th 2020, 1:49 PM

    Bulldozers clearing sitze…..

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    Jan 11th 2020, 6:47 AM

    Clearing up the wreckage with JCB type equipment has to be a deliberate decision to destroy evidence. And that they know it was shot down, & do not need to determine what occurred.
    The protocols for any air accident is to forensically examine the site, methodically transfer all debris to a warehouse environment for itemised study & report, which takes months. And by multinational examiners.

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    Jan 11th 2020, 6:32 AM

    It seems Iran has accepted that one of its missiles brought down this plane. Human error.

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    Jan 11th 2020, 4:55 AM

    Isn’t it the yanks that have form for shooting down Iranian passenger jets. #savages

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