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'It will get worse': 'Embarrassed' over-65s forced to sign on the dole

Sinn Fein has pledged to restore the pensionable age to 65

OLDER PEOPLE BEING forced to sign on the dole is fast becoming an issue on the election campaign, with Age Action saying there is a sense of embarrassment for those who are over 65 years old and ‘signing on’. 

The group, which advocates for the needs of older people, said there is no dignity for thousands of people who have left work, but who cannot get their pension.  

A pension policy anomaly has resulted in thousands of 65-year-olds signing onto Jobseeker’s Benefit since the government increased the pension age to 66.

The age is to rise to 67 in 2021, and 68 in 2028.

Many people are forced to leave their jobs when they turn 65 because of compulsory retirement clauses in their employment contracts, while others may not be physically able to continue to work.

However, they must wait until they are 66 to receive their State pension. 

RTÉ’s Liveline highlighted the topic this week when one man, Martin, described how he has been working for 49 years, but will have to go on Jobseeker’s Benefit when he retires, losing €45 per week. 

A spokesperson for Age Action said being forced onto unemployment payments, rather than receive a pension, means a loss of nearly €2,400 a year for single people, and up to €7,000 for a couple. 

“The lack of joined-up thinking by the government has resulted in inadequate policy planning which unfairly impacts older people. Raising the age at which people can access the State pension while not dealing with mandatory retirement practices forces people into claiming unemployment benefits.

“Every year in Ireland older workers are forced out of their job for no other reason than they turn 65. This is possible because Irish law permits employers to impose mandatory retirement ages in their employees’ contracts, in effect, facilitating ageism and creating a set of second-class employment rights for older workers,” they said.

Age Action explained that previously those retiring before the contributory State Pension age were eligible for a transition pension.

This was set at the same rate as the pension and was payable for the year prior to the State Pension age of 65-66 years. However, the transition pension was abolished in 2014 and replaced by access to Jobseeker’s Benefit.

As Jobseeker’s Benefit is based upon the final year’s salary, it is a particular concern for people who may have worked reduced hours prior to their retirement for health or caring responsibilities. Callers to Age Action’s Helpline have highlighted the lesser value of Jobseeker’s Benefit in comparison to the previous transition pension.

Callers have also spoken about a sense of embarrassment having to ‘sign on’.

They added that another concern is that older people must remain in the country to receive the payments, which means many retirees, who wish to travel abroad or visit their families for a number of weeks are unable to do so for fear of having their payment cut off. 

Sinn Féin President Mary Lou McDonald made the issue one of the first for her party to campaign on, pledging to reduce the pension age back to 65. 

Speaking from Cabra in her Dublin Central constituency, McDonald said that plans to increase the age at which workers are entitled to a State pension to 68 are “wrong, unfair and don’t represent the values of the Irish people”. 

She told TheJournal.ie, that it is “only decent” that when people reach the age of 65 they have the option of availing of the State pension. 

“We should be saying thank you to our older people for everything they have done for the country,” she said, adding that people should not be driven into poverty.

Pension problems

The situation is set to get worse, according to the Irish Association of Pension Funds (IAPF), with up to 30,000 people who are set to turn 65 over the next 12 months being forced to claim unemployment benefit for two years as a result of further changes to the pension age. 

The IAPF said thousands of workers will be “forced to join the dole queue” which is “highly concerning”, it said.  

Fianna Fáil said the issue will have to be addressed, stating that its party policy will be announced in the coming days. 

The party’s spokesperson Michael McGrath said while the move to allow civil servants work until they are 70 is to be welcomed, no such reforms have been rolled out for the private sector. 

Every week, he said he meets with people who have been forced to retire at 65. These people are forced onto Jobseeker’s Benefit for nine months, before moving onto Jobseeker’s Allowance, which is means-tested. 

The issue will only be “exacerbated” when the age increases to 67 as that will be another year to bridge for people who will remain on the means tested payment. 

“The government has failed to prepare the ground and bring in the changes that are necessary in relation to pension policy,” he said, adding that Fianna Fáil is conscious of the demographics but also understands the economics. 

He said the party is examining the issue “very closely” and that a decision and a commitment will be made in respect of the 2021 changes. 

Any changes will come at a cost, said McGrath, adding if no changes are made going from 66 to 67, there will be a “very real human crisis for many people”. 

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    Mute David
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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:13 PM

    All talk and no BO%%OX

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    Mute Dáithí O Raghailaigh
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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:24 PM

    @David: The boy does what the EU tell him to do, you can bank on it, the review mechanism for the Brexit backstop is an EU led proposal. It’s not like we have never been shafted by the EU before

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    Mute Ricky Spanish
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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:04 PM

    @Dáithí O Raghailaigh: But it’s obviously not an EU led proposal though. Jesus do you have to blame the EU for everything?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:49 PM

    @Ricky Spanish: yes they do…always need to have a big boy to blame so you can duck responsibility yourself.

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    Mute Danny Rafferty
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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:56 PM

    @David: Really? The DUP are calling him intransigent…that’s exactly what I want them to think.

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    Mute Dáithí O Raghailaigh
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    Nov 6th 2018, 6:16 PM

    @Ricky Spanish: we would not even consider that unless there was pressure from the EU

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    Nov 6th 2018, 6:22 PM

    @David: spot on david. Weakest leader never voted in. Spineless coward!

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    Nov 6th 2018, 7:17 PM

    @Eugene Tyson: Rubbish

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    Mute Patrick Kearns
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    Nov 6th 2018, 7:30 PM

    @David: All along the united stance from us and the EU has been that the UK can propose any deal they like so long as there is a proper backstop. IF and yes it’s a big IF this actually allows a deal to be made, good for them.

    I’m no fan of FG and I think the housing crisis is hurting our ability to weather Brexit but on this, the answer is obvious. Let the Tories have more rope, it’s either a lifeline or more to hang themselves with. It doesn’t take much to say no to anything and everything that doesn’t involve a proper backstop and that’s not what this is.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:11 PM

    He’s finally realising he’s a little boy in a deep pool full of sharks who are happy to toss him around for fun. Poor fella.

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    Mute MK76
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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:23 PM

    @Dr Richard DeWitt: How Richard? Can I assume you’ve cast experience in negotiation, to be able to read into this from afar?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:30 PM

    @Dr Richard DeWitt:
    He’s going to have to get his uncle Juncker to sort them out.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:38 PM

    @Dr Richard DeWitt: When you get a Shark on it’s back it enters a kind of stupified paralysis. Old Britannia is legs akimbo in front of the world right now, like a gin soaked great aunt who has fallen over at a wedding. Must be hard viewing for a pretentious little Walter Mitty like youself?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:21 PM

    Getting close to the time to find out:
    1. Does Leo have the nerve?
    2. Will Europe throw us under a bus (again)?
    Interesting times.

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    Mute B9xiRspG
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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:22 PM

    @angryDuck: EU can’t throw us under the bus, we have a right to veto any deal.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:43 PM

    @B9xiRspG: ways can be found to force us to accept a ‘deal/compromise’ which avoids the veto. When the crunch comes, we will see who is more important, peace in Ireland or German car manufacturers!

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:02 PM

    @angryDuck: Do you really not know the answer to your question?Well I’ll tell you anyway…..BMW,Mercedes,VW etc.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:09 PM

    @Billy McNamara: PS,have you forgotten the German banks so soon?Who won there?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:51 PM

    @angryDuck: Will the Brexiters fold?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:52 PM

    @angryDuck: Go on, enumerate the many ways you list in your fantasies.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:53 PM

    @Billy McNamara: Would those be the same companies who are keeping real quiet and protecting their position within the single market?
    Yeah, what about them?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 7:04 PM

    @B9xiRspG: There is no veto. If the EU negotiating leader presents a “recommended proposal” of the withdrawal agreement to the 27 EU leaders, it needs minimum 20 of them to approve it, on the proviso those same 20 account for at least 65 percent of the EU 27 population. Ireland lost its veto after accepting the talks moved on earlier this year.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 7:06 PM

    @angryDuck:
    1- No
    2- Yes

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:14 PM

    He’s got a nerve allright, a pharmaceutical tool masquerading as the leader of a country.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:22 PM

    @Patricia McCarthy: We’ve had teachers and doctors in the past, not sure what your point is.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:39 PM

    @B9xiRspG: My point is he will do whatever his Pharmaceutical Bosses tell him to do. Any tool that sets himself up in Government with a 5 Million propoganda unit, plus his obscene salary and expenses is not for the good of this country. He isn’t a leader, he is a tool of Big Pharma.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:59 PM

    @Patricia McCarthy: sure he is. Your reaching Trump levels of conspiracy theory. Congratulations…

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:59 PM

    @B9xiRspG: And look where that got us to.No point showing his fancy socks to Teresa May.Out of his dept,just like Kenny.We need better leaders.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:22 PM

    Leo is playing with the big people now and he has to use creative language” in order to strike a deal. Will he use crayons for writing …

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:24 PM

    But Leo said the Brits promised last December, and like the Brits never broke a promise have they?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:30 PM

    Ultimately this will be a decision made solely by the British and the EU.
    Leo and simon may voice their concerns, but as we’ve seen with the 08 bailout the EU will do whats best for the EU and Ireland will be left to pick up the pieces.
    We are an insignificant little plot of land on the edge of Europe and that’s exactly how we’ll be treated.
    This bull leo and simon spew about having the backing of the other EU members is just that, BULL.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:07 PM

    @Trevor Hayden: And yet they’ve backed us all the way in brexit since the very beginning….that must infuriate you.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:10 PM

    @Ricky Spanish: It’s nice to see you have so much faith in the EU but i can see you being bitterly disappointed.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:14 PM

    As long as there’s proper independent arbitration on the review.

    Otherwise there’s nothing to stop Brussels just refusing everything. It’s what they’ve done so far.

    I’d say Dublin, but I think we all know where the real decisions are being made.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:18 PM

    @Damocles: Ireland and Britain should just refuse to have a hard border, end of, full stop.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:20 PM

    @Damocles: the english are not in a position to demand and put caveats on anything. Of course the EU must approve any changes. Only little englanders would think differently. They made this mess and now blame everyone else because they still don’t know what they want.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:24 PM

    @Paul Fahey: I agree that it shouldn’t be beyond the wit of mortal man to come up with a solution that works for everyone but it would require cooperation, political will, determination and courage from both sides.

    And I’m not convinced that Brussels will allow that. It seems sometimes that Leo says things that are almost conciliatory but then he goes into meetings with Donald Tusk and comes out spouting a sterner line.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:32 PM

    @Paul Fahey: end of. Full stop. Fact. Or how not to negotiate

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:55 PM

    @Paul Fahey: Still living in that fantasy Paul? John Lennon was right…he’s not the only one.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:22 PM

    These bunch of politicians are not the right people to steer us through brexit. They’ve shown us they can’t even run their own country properly without brexit. What can a bunch of amateur chancer politicians with nothing more than local county council experience bring to the table on brexit!

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    Nov 6th 2018, 9:16 PM

    @Adrian: looks like Leo has been forced to concede on the Backstop.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:25 PM

    I’d love to know how these talks would have progressed if the DUP didn’t hold such sway in the UK government

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:51 PM

    @Dáibh Tett: it is just a pity those troglodyte have power over the Conservatives, it would be completely different otherwise.
    I wonder if sinn féin actually took their seats in Westminster could they take down the tories?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:00 PM

    @angryDuck: The numbers were shown at the time it would not have mattered. On a side note are you prepared to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:19 PM

    @Frankie Mangan: I’d have no problem with any Irish person swearing allegiance to the rich person as long as it was done mockingly. I’d go wearing my own crown.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 6:05 PM

    @angryDuck: It’s a pity those troglodytes have been in a position to block anything constructive happening on so many occasions, the saying ‘the devils bird has the devils has the devils lucks’ springs to mind. The Good Friday agreement did escape their negative grasp but they did try.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:07 PM

    Varadkar has been using “creative language” his whole political life, he has also shown the incompetents Murphy and Harris how to use it, Spin merchant extraordinaire , getting caught out as he plays with the big boys

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:53 PM

    Funny Leo is not happy with the FF “review” of the Confidence and Supply agreement.
    yet he is open to a “review” on the backstop on Brexit.

    Is this a sample of Dr Varadkar’s version of his creative language in negotiations ?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:54 PM

    Did wereally except anything less from the West Brits?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:57 PM

    Michael Collins! springs to mind.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:25 PM

    McDonald seems awful sarcastic. And sneering. Why is she like that? What does she hope to achieve with her sarcastic approach, I wonder….permanent sniping from opposition sidelines?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:57 PM

    @W Kevin Doyle: well she inspired you to comment and discuss the issue. So well done to Mary Lou.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 9:13 PM

    @Frankie Mangan: on reading my comment you think she has “inspired me”? Surely a politician wants to win my vote? Your response looks like wishful thinking- or non-thinking. Are you a Mary-Lou fan?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:11 PM

    Creative language won’t change the fact that you can’t have a soft border without a customs union in Northern Ireland (which the DUP won’t accept) or the whole UK (which May’s government won’t accept).

    You also can’t have a hard border without screwing up the GFA and that took decades to achieve.

    The minuscule bit of respect I have for Varadkar (as opposed to the huge disdain I have for him) is because of his refusal of a hard border. Let’s see if he fu(ks even that up.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 5:45 PM

    @Kem Trayle: for a second there I thought you were referring to the Gaelic Football Association!!!!

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    Nov 6th 2018, 6:00 PM

    @Kem Trayle: oh he will but on the bright side we will have no border for the christmas shop..we will have to use the irish ferries duty free next year…at least they are prepared.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 8:50 PM

    @Micheal S. O’ Ceilleachair: Do you mean the Gaelic Athletics Association or the GAA?

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    Nov 6th 2018, 6:25 PM

    A West Brit to the bone.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 6:51 PM

    Could Mary Lou pick the nerve to ask their Sinn Fein British MP’s do something useful for Ireland and take up their seats in Westminister at this crucial time in brexit negotiations, or does such a direct order have to come from the SF army council.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 8:13 PM

    Imagine how much worse it could be if Sinn Fein were in power.
    Look at their record in the North, abysmal mafia run constituencies where the rule of law is optional, unemployment guaranteed and they dare to lecture in the Dail.

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    Nov 7th 2018, 2:56 PM

    @John Sheehy: You mean withdrawing from the Assembly because of a financial scandal… taking people to account for the billions of taxpayers money that went into the pockets of the chosen few. Did the blueshirts cry out concerning the gangsterism of the banks and developers facilitated by F.F.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 8:41 PM

    always knew this would be the way it would go….unfortunately we’re just too small

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    Nov 6th 2018, 6:16 PM

    Been told what to do.. That’s it… Leo the liar.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 8:23 PM

    What is it with you all, this is Cameron’s folly, how many times do you need to be told, he tried to cement a power base amongst his euro sceptic colleagues and gambled by going to the electorate who after years of austerity shoved two fingers up, now reality has bitten hard and the intelligentsia are rebelling because they realise they and the great unwashed have been shafted, plus it’s not Brussels who now govern them but big bad Arlene and dinosaurs in Belfast, oh dear !@!

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    Nov 6th 2018, 7:33 PM

    Stay strong Leo, like a lion. Or a lioness even, probably even more bite.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 6:33 PM

    Norway !

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    Nov 6th 2018, 6:38 PM

    @lapsy pa: all they want is to be free of ecj so they can do what they like in the city of London . Thinking they don’t have a plan is laughable

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    Nov 6th 2018, 4:48 PM

    Media sensationalism bullshit, the Irish message has been consistent and strong

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    Mute TamuMassif2019
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    Nov 6th 2018, 10:26 PM

    Are the trousers up or are they down and who forgot to pull down the blind… But who’s wearing them now Leo, May or is it Arlene?

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    Mute Brendan Walsh
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    Nov 7th 2018, 12:10 AM

    If he is getting criticised by SF and DUP he is doing something right. Both are anti European parties and hold no sway in Europe.

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    Mute Kathleen Callaghan
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    Nov 6th 2018, 10:31 PM

    Does anybody feel that the referendum was rigged?..should the brits try again.

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    Nov 6th 2018, 7:57 PM

    I always knew the government would buckle and go back on their word.

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