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Varadkar and McDonald clashed at the debate on Tuesday night. Leah Farrell/Rollingnews.ie

FactCheck: Are there really 20,000 homeless people in Northern Ireland?

The way statistics on homelessness are compiled are completely different in the two jurisdictions.

LAST NIGHT, TAOISEACH Leo Varadkar, Micheál Martin and Mary Lou McDonald faced off in an RTE Prime Time debate ahead of this Saturday’s general election.

The housing crisis came up early on, and Varadkar used the opportunity to attack McDonald over her party’s record in government in Northern Ireland.

Prompted by the Sinn Féin leader, the Taoiseach made a number of claims about social services in the region, including its suicide rate and rising pension age.

But the biggest point of contention was his claim that there are 20,000 people homeless in the North, more than there are south of the border. Was he correct?

The Claim

Leo Varadkar claimed that figures showed there are more people homeless in the North than in the Republic.

He said:

The official stats from Northern Ireland [show] there are 20,000 people homeless in Northern Ireland, more than is the case here in this State. 

Context

The situation arose after Mary Lou McDonald said there were solutions to the homelessness crisis, but that the “political will” was needed to address the problems.

Miriam O’Callaghan put it to McDonald that the homelessness figures have dropped recently. She is correct: in December there was a drop of 717 in the number of people in emergency accommodation. 

But charities have pointed out that there is frequently a decline in homelessness around Christmas. In recent years, homelessness has been rising consistently and stood at over 10,000 people for much of last year.

At this point in the debate, Varadkar asked McDonald how many people were homeless in Northern Ireland. She retorted that the figures of homelessness here were “nothing to crow about”, before the Taoiseach made the 20,000 claim.

He also made claims regarding suicide rates and the pension age in Northern Ireland and said “Sinn Féin doesn’t want to talk about its record in government”. 

As we explained in a previous FactCheck ahead of the last general election in 2016, homelessness in Northern Ireland is measured differently to the way it is in Ireland.

There are also differences in how Northern Ireland calculates its figures compared with England, Wales and Scotland. 

In the North, a person “presents” as homeless by contacting their local authority and making a claim of homelessness.

The local authority will generally then make a decision as to whether that claim is valid (“accepted”). If the claim is deemed valid, the individual is eligible for social housing and other supports.

Included within the total number of homeless households and individuals are people in temporary accommodation, rough sleepers, those living in insecure or “unreasonable” accommodation, people under the threat of eviction or in overcrowded accommodation, and those living in women’s shelters.

In contrast, homeless figures in Ireland – released by the Department of Housing – only count those living in emergency accommodation. If this was the only criterion for tallying the number of individuals in emergency accommodation in the North, it would significantly lower the total. 

Ireland doesn’t count the so-called “hidden homeless” that are counted in the North among its official statistics. This has been criticised in the past by housing charities

The Evidence

To count the North’s homelessness figures, there are a two datasets available. 

First, we’ll look at statistics from the Department of Communities, the section of the region’s civil service responsible for the issue.

Twice a year, the department produces its Northern Ireland Homelessness bulletins which contain the statistics on those who present as homeless. 

Latest figures from the department cover March to October last year, with statistics for the months since then not published until this March.

They show that 8,527 households presented as homeless over the six-month period. Of these, 2,415 of these had their applications rejected, cancelled or prevented by the department, or withdrawn by the applicant.

That leaves a figure of 6,121 households whose applications were accepted or not yet dealt with by October 2019. 

When the number of applications which have not yet been dealt with have been removed, there are 5,732 households (which includes single people) whose application was accepted – the ones we definitely know were homeless.

That figure was made up of 2,069 families, 1,385 single men, 1,030 single women, 1,008 pensioner households and 240 couples.

Within these 2,069 families, there were a total of 3,698 dependent children. The number of adults is not separated out, therefore we do not know if they are two-parent or single-parent families. 

Adding these figures together, we can say that at least 9,670 people were registered as homeless in the North during March and October last year. (This figure could be higher, depending on how many parents are in each family – for this FactCheck, we have counted at least one). 

A report by the UK charity Crisis, published at the start of this year, noted that the number of rough sleepers in the North on any given night is 250, bringing the overall figure to at least 9,920.

Crisis also noted that the way official statistics are counted in the North significantly contributes to the high homeless figures there, compared with the rest of the UK, as people affected by ill health, for example, are forced to reapply for housing via homeless legislation. 

However, the second dataset - figures from the Department of Housing in Northern Ireland – suggest a figure closer to Varadkar’s claim.

They show that in 2018/19, 18,202 households were logged by the NI Housing Executive as presenting as homeless – and given that the number of people in a household can be more than one, the number of individuals will be higher than this. 

On the list of the top reasons for presenting as homeless are that current accommodation wasn’t reasonable, a family dispute, loss of rented accommodation, a marital or relationship breakdown and neighbourhood harassment.

But of the 18,202 presenting as homeless, 69% of these – 12,512 households – were accepted as full applicants and provided with accommodation. Of these, 2,668 households were discharged, meaning that they were re-housed in the social or private sector, turned down three reasonable offers of accommodation, or re-housed themselves.

So, of the 12,512 households accepted as full applicants after presenting as homeless, 2,668 were discharged meaning that 9,844 households were still classified as homeless at the end of that period. 

Again, as households include single people and families the number of actual people homeless will be higher – but that is not possible to quantify given the figures available.

Separately, Crisis’ homelessness monitor published last week – containing figures for 2017/18 – says that there were just over 3,000 people in temporary accommodation, which would be similar to what is referred to as emergency accommodation (B&Bs, hotels, etc) in Ireland. Comparing that with the most recent figures in Ireland, there were 9,731 people in emergency accommodation in December 2019.

Verdict

Leo Varadkar claimed that there were 20,000 homeless people in the North, much more than there are in the Republic.

There are two elements to this sentence, so we’re going to break the verdict into two parts.

PART 1: 20,000 homeless people in the North 

Over 18,000 households presented at homeless in 2018/19 – which means the number of individuals would be higher, and could be around Leo Varadkar’s figure. However, of these, 12,512 households were accepted as being homeless

We don’t know the full number of people this covers, as the statistics don’t provide this. It refers to households.

This is backed up by a report from the Northern Ireland audit office said that “since 2005-06 around 20,000 households each year have presented as homeless with an average of 50% accepted as statutory homeless“. 

Given that Northern Ireland only counts households, rather than individuals, there could be 20,000 homeless people, but there is no information available to back this figure up. The only figures available shows the number of homeless households. 

Therefore, our verdict for this is: UNPROVEN

As per our verdict guide, this means: The evidence available is insufficient to support or refute the claim, but it is logically possible.

PART 2: The number of homeless people in the North is more than in the Republic 

Northern Ireland and Ireland have completely different definitions of homelessness and how they count how many people are homeless.

At last count, there were just under 10,000 people homeless in Ireland – that is, living in emergency accommodation. According to the latest report from charity Crisis, just over 3,000 people in Northern Ireland were in similar temporary accommodation. This tallies with other official statistics that have had the number between 2,500 and 3,000 in recent bulletins.

The two jurisdictions use completely different methods of counting the number of people who are homeless. Northern Ireland counts a wide range of people as being homeless, including people living in insecure or unreasonable accommodation and people in women’s shelters, but in the Republic, the definition only includes people living in emergency accommodation. 

Further, Northern Ireland’s official figures counts households, rather than individuals, so there isn’t an exact number of homeless individuals as there is here. 

It’s also important to remember the context of what the Taoiseach was saying. “Sinn Féin doesn’t want to talk about its record in government,” he said, pointing to the number of homeless people in Northern Ireland, as well as other factors such as the pension age and suicide rates. 

It is not unreasonable to infer that he was trying to make the claim that homelessness rates are worse in Northern Ireland – under Sinn Féin’s watch – than they are under his government in Ireland. However, given how statistics on homelessness are compiled in completely different ways in both jurisdictions, they are not directly comparable

If we were to count homelessness in Northern Ireland the way we count it in Ireland – solely looking the numbers in emergency accommodation – the numbers in Ireland are far higher (Northern Ireland had just over 3,000 people in temporary accommodation; Ireland has 9,731). 

It is impossible to compare homeless figures in Ireland to those in Northern Ireland as authorities in Ireland do not count the numbers of people living in insecure or unreasonable accommodation, under the threat of eviction or in overcrowded accommodation, and those living in women’s shelters, whereas those in Northern Ireland do.

Therefore, our verdict for this is UNPROVEN

As per our verdict guide, this means: The evidence available is insufficient to support or refute the claim, but it is logically possible.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:20 AM

    So knowing how things work in this country, it’s envisioned to be on the app around the 19th July but in reality, it will be sometime next year before it’s added.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:24 AM

    @Keith Ellis: Covid App has been widely recognised as being excellently delivered. So has our vaccine programme. But I’m sure Keith Ellis from the Journal with his cool shades would do a better job

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:29 AM

    @Anthony Keenan: Kimda ironic having a dig at a dig. It’s only in the last fortnight that the Covid app has been updated with figures since the computer hack. The information loaded in the last few days doesn’t tally either with what the figures released from the Dept of Health.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:32 AM

    @Keith Ellis: Disappointing at such negative begrudging attitude. HSE App in use Ireland has been highly regarded, very cost effective and delivered very speedily. In fact much better than UK equivalent.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:35 AM

    @Keith Ellis: Not sure whether you’re technical or work with computers, but the hack was a HSE hack – not got to do with the app. The app/data hub feeds its figures from HSE sources (which is the part that’s affected) nothing got to do with the app whatsoever. Could be worth actually looking into what you’re spouting about rather than just talking nonsense. Again, the app was rolled out pretty quickly and many other countries have used our opensource code to create their own.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:39 AM

    @Anthony Keenan: Any figures there in how many close contacts were traced with the app? Hasn’t been a word about it since it launched. Do they even ask people who test positive if they have the app anymore?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:40 AM

    @Anthony Keenan: Got my digital cert this morning by email.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:46 AM

    @Keith Ellis: Exactly

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:09 PM

    @Breda Kelly: Got my DCC e-mailed at 11.38am today. My second vaccination was on 20th June.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 1:46 PM

    @Breda Kelly: That person in the HSE is going have a sore finger pressing ‘send’ 1.8 million times. I hope they don’t miss me!

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    Jul 13th 2021, 1:58 PM

    @Keith Ellis: never lose an opportunity for a good moan. I suppose you’re pi55ed off we have the 20th highest full vaccination rate.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 2:53 PM

    @Paul Furey: nope Paul. Anything to get back dining indoors and away from the smokers. But I suppose that’s just me moaning again.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 3:33 PM

    @Keith Ellis: to be fair, they didn’t say 19th July in which year…

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    Jul 13th 2021, 5:07 PM

    @Keith Ellis: I got my 2 vaccines efficiently and on time! I got my cert by email this morning! I’m livid because this is NOT what I’m used to! I need to complain! On social media! Constantly!

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    Jul 14th 2021, 9:30 AM

    @DK: it’s in the app. 25k people have been notified using the app.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:32 AM

    2m / 25k = 80 working days. So basically end of October. Target set by EU was this day next week.
    Joke of a government now swanning off for 7 weeks after 4 pay rises in 1 year and god knows how many extra advisors and made-up positions for their FF and FG pals.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:40 AM

    @Peter McGlynn: What? Don’t understand the first half of that. Also, could you send a link/source as to where it states there were 4 pay rises in one year? Thanks.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:49 AM

    @Anthony Keenan: “The Government expects to issue up to 25,000 Covid-19 digital green certs for travel each day from the middle of this week after an initial block of nearly 2 million is approved for those already vaccinated.” Irish times.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:58 AM

    @Peter McGlynn: What’s that got to do with pay rises? That’s what he asked for.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:02 PM

    @Séamus Heffernan: said he didn’t understand the first part. I tried posting links to articles but seems to be filtered out. But google td par rises and you’ll see 2 x from mid last year together and one in feb and one in last month. Thanks.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:20 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: You mean the pay rises that came as part of a wider public sector pay restoration that you’ve nicely click-baited to stir the outrage of a particular section of the commenters here?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:20 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: no they are issuing 2 million certs in the initial block, once those 2 million are issued then the rate would drop back to 25k certs per week.
    In fairness the wording wasn’t massively clear but that’s my reading of the text you quoted

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:26 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: before being so critical, you might want to read the article you are commenting about. 160k certificates have already been delivered and they expect to have 1.8m delivered by next Monday.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:29 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: you are some whinger. 90% of those fully vaccinated will have their cert by next monday. If they could do that many in a short period of time, do you not think they will increase the output when required.
    As for googling TDs getting pay rises, how will that show you government getting 4 pay rises in a year. Maybe you should Google ministers not taking those rises and most of your beloved SF taking them.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:37 PM

    @John Buckley: I put my hand up – it was indeed the wording of the Irish times article that was misleading and actually a little click-baity. I’ll wait and see so.
    Btw – have fun ignoring all those pay rises and extra ministerial posts created without results.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 1:40 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: where am I ignoring anything, I corrected your false information.
    You seem to be the one ignoring a lot. Some of what you call pay rises are pay restoration and it is for the whole public service, not just TDs.
    If you want to complain about abuse, why don’t you look at Louise O’Reilly moving house (shortly after getting elected) to claim an extra 18k a year in expenses. Compare that to her fellow Dublin SF TD, Eoin O’Broin, who does not claim travel expenses

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    Jul 13th 2021, 2:56 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: The opposition get those pay rises as well. Don’t remember any of them coming out at the time and turning it down.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 7:11 PM

    @Roy Dowling: all Sinn Fein tds returned the payments.

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    Jul 14th 2021, 12:29 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: Did you miss the bit where it said “after an initial block of nearly 2 million”? Those are probably all sent out by now. There will be about 25,000 per day after that – i.e. the people who are going to get their final vaccination each day.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:46 AM

    As someone who is a host in a bar this is going to be a nightmare.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:13 PM

    @Stephen Nix: what will EP be like? Carnage to work at.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:46 AM

    What is to stop you from taking a screenshot of your QR code and sending it to all your friends ?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:55 AM

    @Barry Teehan: Common sense?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:05 PM

    @Ajax Penumbra: Unfortunately lots of people don’t have common sense. They tried it here ( Netherlands ) and had a “test event” in a nightclub with 600 people who all were perceived to be all clear. A couple of days later over 160 had tested positive.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:06 PM

    @Barry Teehan: It’s designed so businesses can reopen safely so maybe act like a decent human being by not taking the piss like that and sure if that doesn’t work the €2000 fine and possible prison sentence might

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:13 PM

    @Barry Teehan: There’s a Unique Certificate Identifier code on the cert (35 characters in length). It’s up to the premises/business to check the identity on the DCC against another form of personal ID.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:23 PM

    @David A. Murray: I’m not suggesting anyone do it David, but there are obviously ways around the system if nearly a third of the people in that nightclub ended up with the virus.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:32 PM

    @Barry Teehan: nothing, but hopefully a bit of common sense will tell you not to.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:35 PM

    @David A. Murray: it is so easy to make a false cert. Unless you can scan the QR code for validity, the rest can be anything.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 1:08 PM

    @Barry Teehan: It has your name and date of birth on it too

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    Jul 13th 2021, 2:25 PM

    @Barry Teehan: Because your info is encoded in the QR code. And you can be asked for ID to confirm. So if four Barry Teehans rock up to the pub and try to get in with a fake QR code, they might some other fake ID too

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    Jul 13th 2021, 3:06 PM

    @Barry Teehan: Are all of your friends called Barry Teehan?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 5:24 PM

    @Barry Teehan: A €2000 fine?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 1:05 PM

    Got mine’s in a Revenue envelope- near had heart failure!

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:27 PM

    Do we know how many cases of Covid19 have been found through the tracker App?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:56 PM

    @Claude Saulnier: Email the HSE.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 1:09 PM

    @Claude Saulnier: Loads.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 1:46 PM

    @Tommy Berry: I expected investigation journalists to be on the case

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    Jul 13th 2021, 9:22 PM

    16,492 who tested positive uploaded their random IDs for matching with app user IDs. 25,428 received a close-contact alert from the apo.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 9:24 PM

    ‘from the app’

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:43 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: 25,428 from different households?

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    Jul 14th 2021, 12:00 AM

    @Claude Saulnier: I don’t know that. You’d have to ask the HSE. I think it means that they were near another person for more than 15 minutes. I don’t know how you calculate households from that. They might have been working together for all I know, or in a taxi or train.

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    Jul 14th 2021, 11:13 AM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: given the range of bluetooth, the space between seats in trains or buses and other criteria, these figures can be read whichever way one decides to read them. And from the people who were close contacts, how many cought the virus.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:21 AM

    Cute

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    Jul 13th 2021, 1:30 PM

    If not vaccinated or recovered, will it be the case that you receive a pass alongside a negative test result (as an attachment in an email for eg)?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 2:03 PM

    How will I know the email is the real thing.
    I got a email the pdf link has the EU flag with EI on it but the E is backwards.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 3:43 PM

    @Declan Carr: that’s the correct one alright. If you print the page, it prints as A4. You fold the page into a small four paged, little book. It fits in your wallet. Once that’s done the EI will look the way it’s supposed to. You don’t have to print it out though.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 2:00 PM

    will that also have instructions on how to fold it ? hmm liberal use of the word digital.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 2:46 PM

    @ed w: Some people have to print it, so instructed how to fold it.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 7:13 PM

    @ed w: yes, it does have instructions on how to fold it

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    Jul 13th 2021, 7:49 PM

    So who exactly is posting out letters to those vaccinated by GPs? HSE says its GPs, GPs say its not them…anyone know? SHAMBLES as ever!

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