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Locals mount opposition to new mosque planned in Lucan

South Dublin County Council approved plans last month for a centre and mosque for the area’s Muslim community.

RESIDENTS IN WEST Dublin are seeking to reverse the recent decision of South Dublin County Council to grant planning permission for a large new centre and mosque for the area’s Muslim community.

Two groups of local people have lodged an appeal with An Bord Pleanála against the proposed Lucan Islamic Community Centre planned for a site in Balgaddy.

South Dublin County Council approved plans by South Dublin Maktab, a registered charity, last month for the new centre and mosque off the Newlands Road.

They provide for the demolition of existing buildings on the site and the construction of a community centre and place of worship in a new detached, three-storey building which will also feature a minaret and dome.

The centre will include a prayer room and gallery, an exercise room, mortuary, prayer room, two classrooms, library, event room, childminding rooms, kitchen, restaurant and community health rooms as well as three retail units and two apartments. An underground car park will provide 69 parking spaces.

The Balgaddy Working Together Community Group, which represents people living in the Foxdene, Méile an Rí and Tor an Rí estates in Balgaddy, said they acknowledged the need for a centre to cater for the needs of the Islamic community but believed the chosen site is inadequate because of traffic levels and its proximity to a residential area.

Over 200 people signed an objection by the group which called on South Dublin County Council to consider a land swap with the charity by offering a site for the community centre and mosque in a more suitable area with better transport links.

“The planned development of Clonburris should be considered as the planning allows for places of worship and would be better suited to cater for a development of this size and capacity,” Donna Mayne, the group’s secretary, said.

Similar grounds of appeal have been made by another group of objectors from The Oaks estate in Balgaddy.  

South Dublin Maktab said it had been catering for the religious, spiritual, educational, social and cultural needs of the local Islamic community for several years from its current base on the premises of the South Dublin Football League at Ballyowen Park in Lucan.

The charity said its proposal for the new centre, which is located across the road from its current premises, arose out of the need to build a permanent facility for the Muslim community in the area.

It said the new centre would hold five prayer gatherings every day but did not anticipate that they would attract large crowds.

‘Much-needed amenity’ 

Dr Abudul Mughees, the charity’s chairperson, said the daily prayer gatherings would usually consist of 20-80 people with each session lasting about 20 minutes.

“There will be no amplified call to prayer through any external public address system,” he added.

Dr Mughees said the biggest attendance would be around 400 people for the weekly Friday prayer which is held from 1pm to 2pm. However, he said such a gathering might be divided into smaller groups in more than one session of prayer out of respect for the wider community by refraining from creating any excessive noise or disturbance.

“This issue of respect for others is central to the impost important purpose within our community of gathering for regular prayer,” he observed.

Dr Mughees said it was the intention that other facilities of the centre would be available for use for the benefit of the local community.

He pointed out that it was the intention to use the community health rooms for a low-cost limited GP service for all people living in the area, while the events room could be hired out for meetings and various social events.

However, Dr Mughees said the charity believed the religious and educational activities would have a priority over other activities and alcohol and smoking would be prohibited in the centre.

Plans for the centre were supported by two local councillors, Paul Gogarty (Ind) and People Before Profit’s Madeline Johannson.

Gogarty said the customised prayer, meeting and community facility would provide a more suitable location that could better handle parking and traffic issues.

He added: “The proposed building on a long-disused site, while visibly striking, appears sensitively designed so as to limit any potential impact on existing residents.”

“This is a much-needed amenity building and place of worship designed largely, but not exclusively, for a sizeable religious minority who have already been gathering in this area for some year and most of whom live locally,” Gogarty said.

He claimed providing such a facility was in the interests of proper planning and development of the area.
A ruling on the appeal is due to be delivered by An Bord Pleanála by 23 June.

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    Mute Gavin
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:49 AM

    We’ve known for decades that Mediterranean diet is very healthy especially in older age. Why do we keep researching things where we already know the answer?

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    Mute Peter Carroll
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:57 AM

    @Gavin: It’s about finding out why and how.

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    Mute Lad_The
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    Feb 18th 2020, 1:42 PM

    @Gavin: a lot of things we “know” are urban legends or old wives tales.
    Important that knowledge is verified and understood.

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    Mute
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:44 AM

    No mention of beef? What about the pooooooor hard done by farmers, surely we’re not suggesting that the government should subsidise the production of healthier, more sustainable foods like vegetables instead of continuing to spend millions on beef subsidies.

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    Mute milton friedman
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:34 AM

    @: 1. Beef is healthy in moderation. 2. The Beef industry is a big Irish exporter, so basically a strong economic resource.

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    Mute John Black
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:50 AM

    There is also research that states that a carnivore diet that’s very heavy on red meats like beef is very healthy and provides many benefits over a normal diet.
    I personally wouldn’t go for this but I think that what diet works best depends very much so on the individual and we shouldn’t go writing off certain foods because it doesn’t fit our narrative

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    Feb 18th 2020, 10:43 AM

    @milton friedman:

    If it’s such a strong economic resource why does it rely on subsidies? The EU is phasing out beef subsidies for a reason. Why should we be subsidising the production of something with taxpayer money?

    As for the “carnivore diet” being “healthy”, that’s fringe stuff that goes against the consensus. Saturated fat is linked to heart disease, the science on that is pretty solid. Most of our micronutrients come from fruit & veg rather than meat.

    Not saying for a second we should ban beef or anything, I’m just challenging this ridiculous idea that subsidising beef is the duty of our governments. If we’re going to subsidise the production of food (which is a good thing to prevent reliance on other countries), we should be subsidising healthy, economic foods. Beef is expensive to produce, produces far more CO2 and methane than the alternatives, and is largely unhealthy at the levels people eat it. You’ll find far more people eating too much beef than too little.

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    Mute milton friedman
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    Feb 18th 2020, 10:55 AM

    @: I don’t disagree with anything you have said; in fact I basically wholly agree.

    I was just outlining why beef receives subsidies, mainly for the second reason. I’m not sure the power it has now, surely diminished, but Ireland was making agreements with countries based on supplying beef (Libya and China for example) in the past, so it is seen as a benefit to subsidize beef production opposed to other produce.

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    Mute John Murphy
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    Feb 18th 2020, 1:36 PM

    @John Black: The carnivore diet reduces all gut bacteria immensely, both good and bad. So while it lowers inflammation from the bad gut bacteria that live off things like carbs,it also reduces your much needed good gut bacteria and likely causes bad long term affects.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 2:29 PM

    @John Murphy:

    It also lacks vitamin C, a deficiency of which, causes scurvy. It’s a dangerous diet peddled by crackpots.

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    Mute John Murphy
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    Feb 18th 2020, 6:03 PM

    I wouldn’t call it a crack pot diet because it does show beneficial effects on a short term. But I agree it’s very dangerous for the average person to try.
    I’d stick with a low carb high fibre diet instead.

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    Mute Fergus O'Connor
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:58 AM

    Living in a Mediterranean climate boosts chances of ‘healthy’ ageing among older people as well

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    Mute Hanzee
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    Feb 18th 2020, 1:33 PM

    @Fergus O’Connor: absolutely and you get brown and wrinkly and can rock about in the sun naked as the day god made you all those years ago..

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    Mute Ken Bramley
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    Feb 18th 2020, 10:13 AM

    Did someone forget to mention the cheap glass of wine, the warm climate ,proper health system and early pension might also have something to do with it ?

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    Mute Garreth Byrne
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    Feb 18th 2020, 11:29 AM

    @Ken Bramley: D’accord. C’est la vie!

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    Mute Shane Cormican
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:44 AM

    Eating Mediterranean fish in the Mediterranean will prolong your life even longer

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    Mute Micheal S. O' Ceilleachair
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:54 AM

    @Shane Cormican: An underwater eating session in the Med could drown you!!!

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    Mute The Observer
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:45 AM

    A BIG factor is climate they are more healthy because outside more therefore more active and its warm so helps with arthritis, would get a lot of vitamin D

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    Mute Sea Graham
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:54 AM

    Well seeing as fish now consist or varying degrees of plastic you’d probably be better on a Mediterranean vegetarian diet with an omega 3 supplement.

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    Mute James Lane
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:19 AM

    Just living in a Mediterranean environment would prolong your life, the fish unfortunately like everywhere else are probably Toxic

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    Mute Úna O Connor Barrett
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    Feb 18th 2020, 5:09 PM

    Yea,the price of fish in this country.The spanish hoovering up all the fish and we live on an island and we cant afford to eat fish every day.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 11:39 AM

    Knowing (and practising) this since I was 5 (months), I couldn’t agree more.
    Also, it’s importat to enjoy food, and prepare yourself. That’ll keep you healthy too.

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    Mute Gooey Man Vaal
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    Feb 18th 2020, 12:57 PM

    Load o’ bollocks

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    Mute IP.Man
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    Feb 18th 2020, 11:29 PM

    More Fiber, moderate meat, less processed fat like margarine or oil for 3 Euro, less sugar – it causes inflammation, that’s it. Of course most important is exercise.

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