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AN BORD PLEANÁLA has granted permission for a major construction project in Cork city that will see 201 rental apartments built in a development ranging in height from 8 to 24 storeys.
The development will be built on the site of Carey Tool Hire and the former Sextant Bar on Albert Quay.
As well as the homes and amenities for residents such as a library and games room, it is planned that the development will contain a ground floor café and public plaza.
The plan will also see a roof garden created for the residents that will be designed with a 1.6 metre high glazed balustrade to help protect people from the elements.
The apartments in the development will will consist of 93 one-bedroomed units, 104 two-bedroomed units and four three-bedroomed units.
The developer behind the project is Progressive Commercial Construction Ltd.
It its decision to delivered yesterday, An Bord Pleanála granted permission subject to 31 different conditions. Among them are that the developer will pay a contribution to the Cork Suburban Rail Project.
The development will also require the complete demolition of the Sextant pub and another condition attached to the permission is that a written and visual record of the pub be kept.
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What the f….has food or no food got to do with Covid.
@Mos: muppet question award of the day goes to … you!!!
@Mos: its got to do with the fact that in a pub where there’s no food served that people are probably just going for a few scoops and less likely to sit at their own table and leave after the food.
I seen it happen in my own local. Operated like a retaurant the last time, when the restriction lifted people just went to drink and got a bit “looser” with the 6 per table guidelines.
Its nothing specific to do with “food”
@Al.Dunne: Can you expand on that?
@Al.Dunne: I go to the Pub for a Pint or two, I eat at home, what’s the difference? Food doesn’t keep Covid away. Nonesense
@Mos: it’s to do with throughput of people. They just use food as a way of managing how many people can be served at any given time.
@J: That can also be done without food.
@Mos: The only reason the government have got away with this so far is that the Publicans are a very reserved crowd & thought that the government would eventually come to their senses. What is not fair, is keeping pubs closed & opening everything else up & it is not fair on these families & business. There is an element who agree with the pubs been kept closed, but these will be the very same people that will be out mixing with the crowds by shopping, restaurants etc & my experience of this is one particular crowd in my area were reporting people for breaking rules & they all then tested positive, so do as I say, not as I do attitude. Pubs deserve as much chance to open as any other business & the government is treating pubs unfairly, without any proof whatsoever & this needs to stop.
@Al.Dunne: and Muppet reply award to you.
@Mos: I fully agree. I was at the beach in Dublin where outside seating had been removed by cafes but there were lots of people jammed onto statutory park benches eating and drinking. Students in crowds who took up the full width of the walkway bumping into everyone at lunchtime. Either open up or don’t. It’s a joke. My Local doesn’t serve food so my disabled Daughter who’s only in daycare twice weekly because of lack of funding is so sad because she cannot get to the local for her one glass of Guineas&blackcurrent that she’d Usually have twice weekly. There’s no enjoyment for her now. It’s a disgrace.
@thomas patrick: OMG will u take a day off, “sit at their own table and “6 per table”, in this setting the coronavirus won’t spread but in a normal pub it will in exact same type premises and environment, I’m beginning to think 3 or 4 million of the Irish population have actually read the nphet manual word for word
@Margaret Doyle: I can see how it is very frustrating for you Margaret. There is also the element of public toilets. Councils got rid of public toilets & unless you are in a big shopping center which have toilets there is usually no other place to go. A lot of adults & children that use the local park near me always use our toilet facilities. Last summer they had no place to go. Pubs are been portrayed intentionally by this government as been dirty virus spreaders. They need to get real & stop discriminating.
@thomas patrick: Unless you are going to stay at home, no shopping, no restaurants, no hair cut etc well then you do not have a leg to stand on regarding your remark. You will be in & a danger the same as anyone else that will be out from December 1st, because lets be honest here, The shops are going to be packet, restaurants full, people greeting & talking to each other, so tell me is that any different than the pub you claim you were in.
@Gere: I agree. M. Martin has the nerve to stand in front of media cameras and say that pubs were responsible for the spread of covid without any data to back it up. If someone had asked him where he got that data from he’d have blamed NPHET. Someone is telling lies.
@thomas patrick: Its a load of Boll*x. All the pubs that served food weren’t throwing people out after they finished food. I was in 3 pubs where i stayed for the night after food. To be fair we all stayed in our seats bar the loo and it was all fine. Its a pointless excersie this. They should open all pubs but concentrate on getting people out after 2 hours somehow
@Al.Dunne: ignorant answer of the day goes to you.
Absolutely disgraceful the way the pubs and the sector in general is being treated. I personally have no problem go to a bar and having to have something to eat but what about the poor gents and ladies of an older vintage who mightn’t have a huge appetite in their golden years that just want to have a drink and a chinwag with friends? It beggars belief.
@Robert Clifford: plenty of those of “an older vintage” are quite rightly self isolating, as they prefer a few more years as opposed to a couple of pints.
@DJ François: Self isolating, quivering with fear and anxiety at the prospect of the one last semblance of their sociability being yanked away from them. Listen to yourself.
@Robert Clifford: i listen to the older people, not some randomer jibbering on the Journal
@DJ François: I’m am older person and it’s you who’s talking gibberish. And who are you to dictate what good for older people?
@DJ François: people reaching that older vintage are quite capable of decision making in their own best interest. Stop talking for, about, around, and over people. We are well able to decide what is best both for our mental and social health. Rambling into the local on the way back from the local shop, for a chinwag with friends and neighbours is a release for so many
@In fairness now…: Where was I dictating how someone should behave, please reread the comment I was merely expressing an opinion, after talking to some older friends and family
@DJ François: I’m on the older side of life and you do not speak for me, in fact I would think you don’t speak for anyone of our “vintage ” and no I’m certainly not “self isolating” had a 5k walk this morning and spent another few hours in the garden.
Additionally you speaking to older people or family is akin to Trump saying he won the US election .
Your opinion is a false narrative , but we ” vintage ” people have seen, met , heard your ilk for a lot longer than you’ve been on the planet, a typical jumped up uneducated buffoon.
@PaulOMahoney Irish: oh dear, Paul, I am not dictating to anyone-you really should read my comment again, slowly, before jumping in with childish insults and half formed arguments, it does you no favours.
@Robert Clifford: bad timing with your comment – older people need to stay away from pubs and ideally restaurants and public places until vaccine is available. No older people aught to frequent pubs unless they prepared to die from a highly transmissible virus.
@Robert Clifford: listen to yourself Robert???? Cop on!!!!
@DJ François: Speak for yourself!!! Not all elderly are isolating. I’d say the number is low enough. I, my partner, friends all over 60 go out everyday. We walk we shop we stop for takeaway coffee and have a bit of craic. You cannot hide away thats not living its barely existing. If you want to isolate feel free no one will stop you. We will also be looking forward to our few socially distanced pints in our safe local if we ever get the chance again.
@Aine Ryan: Thats none of your business. If you want to stay away from these establishments feel free. But do not under any circumstances tell me or any of my “older” friends what we can or cannot do. Who the he-ll do you think you are with your condescending comment. What abject ignorance and rudeness on your part. You are in serious danger of hurting yourself when you come of your high horse.
@DJ François: nobody is forcing anyone to go to the Pub if they are afraid to do so.
@DJ François: you’ve lost this one I’m afraid.
publicans should be causing uproar. the way they’re been treated is nothing short of a disgrace. continuously get blames, yet only open for 2 weeks. restrictions are fine as long as everything makes sense. you cant go to a pub or restaurant yet you can travel in and out of the country. 400,000 a month through dublin airport. are you telling me they’re all isolating when they come in? you shouldn’t be let leave or come into the country bar essentials. also the next biggest issue is test and trace.
@Macca1986: Time for litigation. The government need a threat or they’ll do nothing
@Macca1986: if the financial supports were put in place to bolster the sme’s, this wouldn’t be such an issue. The ecb has made a pile of money available to eu nations at negative interest rates for this very reason. Why isn’t the dept of finance tapping into this? Sme’s contribute to well over half of our gdp and employment figures and are being shafted. That’s the real scandal here. We own the aib, we have leverage. Why isn’t it being applied?
@Macca1986: your numbers are way off and already have been proven wrong.
@Daniel Finucane: what numbers are way off and already have been proven wrong? enlighten me. I used one figure. 400,000 roughly a month pass through dublin airport.
@Macca1986: I would love to see some proof of that figure through Dublin airport.
Half that maybe.
@Dt125: I saw it spoke about last week. regardless of the exact figure, you have thousands coming through which should not be happening. thats the issue since day one but it’s a problem the governent and NPHET continoysly ignore while punishing businesses right left and centre here which have no massive outbreaks linked to them.
They deserve a chance to reopen. People will choose to go if they want and choose to leave if it fills up too much for their liking. But the blanket ban is simply unjust. As usual our inability to enforce existing laws and guidelines leads to far more being punished than necessary.
NPHET appears to have decided to infantilise large sections of the population particularly those who frequent pubs. They seem to believe that adults aren’t capable of making adult choices. Of course drink lowers inhibitions but that doesn’t mean that everyone who drinks becomes incapable of following established guidelines. The minority who do have a problem in doing so can be dealt with easily by responsible pub owners. I honestly find it odd why NPHET have come down so hard on this sector. No doubt someone will bombard me with statistics about transmission rates and ‘tear me a new one’ as it were but that doesn’t change the fact that the more you treat people like children the more chance there is of them rejecting any future restrictions it might genuinely be necessary to impose.
Couldn’t agree more Macca1986, we must be one of the most subservient countries in the world. We have no problem protesting and getting all excited over water charges, but we sit idly by while Leo and his highly.paid pals in NPHET destroy livelihoods and people’s lives.
@The Firestarter: yeah, Leo and his pals, destroying our lives. If only we had a new Taoiseach to soften his cough.
I was in a friends bar in Dublin City centre the day before the original lock down, a man in the know, I asked him had he heard anything as this was the day after the Temple bar carry on, he said, I’ve heard we’re closing tomorrow and won’t be open again till mid December if not early January. Bar, no pun intended, the 3 weeks or so some Dublin pubs got to reopen for, he was correct, so someone knew months ago that this was the plan all along
@Bopper Bops Holland: fierce smell off this post altogether
@Bopper Bops Holland: Woah, he must have a direct line to the deep state.
@Bopper Bops Holland: Rubbish.
@Bopper Bops Holland: the man in the know eh?
@Bopper Bops Holland: bol lox , two friends are pub owners . They have been , for the most part , kept in the dark . And when I asked the question of they’d been informed of anything, all the way through this , the reply is the same “ we find out the same day you find out “ ie the televised/broadcast announcements . Very very frustrating for businesses up and down the country.
@Bopper Bops Holland: Sure.
@Bopper Bops Holland: “I smell cap”
Instead of all these “leaks” and drip feeding to media can the govt not grow a pair and actually communicate with businesses about their planning instead of leaving them in the dark.
Publicans should have been told ages ago about possible decisions being made.
Surely there should have been an option a,b,c etc put in place depending on what our case numbers are with businesses told of the criteria of opening.
Govt made a big deal about our new system of levels. And now they’re talking about level 3 “enhanced “. Level 5 is the only one where pubs are shut while levels 3 and 4 have them open with severe restrictions.
The govt keeps shifting its position. Repeatedly saying they’re looking at international trends yet we are the only ones with pubs/restaurants continually closing. People have a right to earn a livelihood.
@Irish Sean:
The right to earn a livelihood is one of many right that the citizens of the country have ceded to NPHET since March.
Along with the right to mourn, the right to celebrate, the right to speak out, the right to object, the right to protest, the right to travel freely, and I’m sure there oare others.
If publicans, or anybody, is expecting these rights to be returned by NPHET and the government freely, then they’re in for a rude awakening.
Mind you, there was a pub that started a legal case about it several weeks or maybe it’s months ago.
Maybe that’s why Emperor Holohan is being so spiteful about it.
400 plus young people banging of each other in school here. parents (Including myself) congregating outside school gates. roads all jammed up . . . . and yet government singles out the pubs and small shop owners, a total disgrace
“So, we know that that there is that there is that there.”
Makes perfect sense to me, lol.
@Sean May: I think Mr Cribben was in the pub before that interview. Or maybe the journalist was before writing this article.
Understand the Publicans frustration but their profession cause people to congregate and this leads to people to spread the virus after they leave the controlled environment of the pub we all know alcohol impairs judgement. When people buy alcohol in an off license they can consume it privately in a more safe environment i.e. in their own home with the people they live with.
@Kevin50: you’re deluded if you think that is all happens and will happen over xmas.
@Kevin50: That is bull. House parties are the biggest spreaders of the virus. so unless you are on your own in the middle of a field you cannot avoid it.
@Kevin50: their profession didn’t cause people to congregate at house parties. They didn’t cause people to congregate at golf dinner galas or retirement parties. You’re blaming pubs for what is a natural human trait. Interesting how you also assume everyone lives with someone. I don’t. I live on my own. Miles from the nearest town.
@Kevin50: a larger menu is not going to stop this from happening! And why should pubs be blamed for their patrons behaviour outside their premises? It’s time to let people take responsibility for themselves. We all know what behaviour is risky and have to make informed choices based on that knowledge. Give publicans a chance to save their business.
Oh for God’s sake, they’re trying to save lives! Enough of the conspiracy/ agenda rubbish please. No such outcry about how services for people with disabilities have been decimated which is causing heartbreak for families.
Lots of businesses have been just as badly affected. My husband hasn’t worked since March. Yes, it’s tough. Yes, it’s awful. But its no one’s fault. It’s the virus, guys! Sick hearing about pubs and their sense of entitlement.
@Ger McDonnell: I agree with you……I’d love a pint all the same
@Ger McDonnell: Not everyone who expresses a view contrary to your own is a conspiracy theorist! I certainly am not. The virus doesn’t make the decisions about how societies react to it’s presence their leaders do. Questioning whether that response is proper and proportionate is allowed and is necessary in properly functioning democratic societies. You’re free to question Government policy about services for people with disabilities. That doesn’t make you a conspiracy theorist. If you don’t ever question you’ll learn nothing…
@The Alchemist’s Head:
I’m reacting appropriately to the specific wording of the article headline: Publicans say government and NPHET ‘”determined to close down sector’”.
Not my conspiracy theory- theirs!
@WiseUp: Me too!
@Ger McDonnell: I think it’s a perfectly reasonable comment for publicans to express given what’s transpired since March. It reflects what they consider to be their justified anger, frustration and bewilderment at the way they feel they been treated. Hardly a conspiracy theory unless you’ve set the bar (no pun intended!) so low that every opinion you disagree with you now label as a conspiracy theory…
The fighting Irish? Pure Myth.
I wish these articles were accompanied by a picture of a sweaty horrible superpub rather than one of Dublin’s finest bars The Swan… ah pints…
@David Clements: agree, a smashing bar that serves a smashing pint. It’s nearly Christmas and it won’t be the same without a few creamy pints in The Long Hall, The Palace and Bowes.
@GrumpyAulFella: yup. And I’d throw in The Swan, Grogans and Peter’s pub as well
so a sandwich and a pizza is going to safe us all from the covid biggest load of BS I ever heard …there is a bias against PUBS because all the doctors and specialist dont want anyone drinking and we all know it ….this is there way of controlling the masses where they didn’t have it before ….they are in there element now no stopping them now……..
Open the pubs. Spread the people about. There gonna be crammed into restaurants. It’s mad.
@Paul Riordan: Not with social distancing in restaurants they won’t.
@Paul Riordan: how are they going to be crammed into restaurants if they are only allowed a reduced number?
Close the off licences as well why don’t yis, see how well that goes…
Open the country for feck sake, I’m a restrictions supporter but give everyone December and those who want to get sloshed can, those of us like a pint on occasion can .
Retailers should open Saturday and give them a feckin chance of making a few bob because the alternative isn’t an option, mass unemployment, brexit and a financial collapse that will dwarf the last one.
Most would be happy to be at level 5 for January, and of course protect our older people from the very real threat that the virus poses.
Michael Martin is feckin worse than Mary O Rourke when it comes to decision making , one report or piece of advice away from a decision.
People’s livelihoods matter too, they deserve to earn a wage and have a few days off with family.
Never is pragmatism used in this country.
Its disgraceful that pubs are not allowed open i feel sorry for the workers and the pressure there families are under
@Margaret Kane: agree, how can they say pubs are super spreaders when most haven’t been open since March.
I think they should open all or none
The few pints never did anyone any harm.
That has nothing to do wiyh NPHET. Actually the most logical step for their very position would be to recommend to close everything as much as possible.
What actually is closed is up to the government and noone else.
Sickening & diabolical treatment of publicans, if there’s protests & i hope there is, I’ll gladly participate. So unjust, once again this Government has broken promises, what about the villagers throughout Ireland with bars that don’t food, some Xmas these people are going to have
ERNST and YOUNG will sort Nephet out.
Time to just open up and let the public take on personal responsibility. If you’re an at risk person you have no business in a pub, restaurant, ect.
Everyone with any intelligence knew from the start pubs would not reopen in 2020. I will be shocked if they do. Pubs will likely open in June forever more. Until then whats the point.
@Imagine !: They DID reopen already in 2020.
@Imagine !: I was in my local a few times over summer and in the beer garden until recently.
Imagine that.
@Imagine !:
If everyone with intelligence knew what you say, that must make the publicans of Ireland the thickest bunch of clowns on the planet, because they naively believed the government numerous times this year when they said that pubs would open at different times, only to be disappointed over and over again.
@Garry Coll: they DID open again. And closed again.
The pub scene as we know it is finished now I’d say
The pub industry will bounce back and survive
Let the protests begin
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