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'I started asking the question - who are the great female directors?'

A new multi-part documentary aims to address the perception that women haven’t been directing films for decades.

MARTIN SCORSESE. QUENTIN TARANTINO. Orson Welles. Start thinking about who western culture deems its greatest directors, the icons of the film canon, and your mind will inevitably go straight to the men first.

Jane Campion, Kathryn Bigelow – they will probably get a mention too. Maybe you’ve been seeking out filmmakers who aren’t on the tips of tongues, but should be: Elaine May, Barbara Loden. But for the average cinema-goer who isn’t on the lookout for them, female directors can feel very absent, not just in Hollywood but beyond.

The canon, as we know, is overwhelmingly male. But at the same time, women have made films for as long as the medium has existed. 

Now, a new documentary by cinephile Mark Cousins – the Belfast-born, Scotland-based expert and filmmaker behind the epic documentary The Story of Film: An Odyssey (2011) and The Eyes of Orson Welles (2018) – will help clear up any blinkered misconceptions about women and filmmaking.

Called Women Make Film, it’s pitched as a ‘new road movie through cinema’. Instead of trying to ‘prove’ that women make films as good as the boys, it takes it as fact that female directors make great films on their own terms.

That welcome assumption means that the documentary is able to rest on the technical ability and nous of the directors. The viewer feels from the off they’re in safe, gender-balanced hands. Anyone waiting with clenched fists for their moment to shout “why should women have to prove they’re good at directing?!” won’t get their moment. Phew.

‘Who are your great directors?’

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Cousins adores cinema, and is clearly insatiably curious about it. It’s that curiosity that led to the film being made. Speaking to TheJournal.ie as he prepared for the documentary to be shown in five parts at the Virgin Media Dublin International Film Festival, he explained that every time he’d go to a new country, he’d ask people “the simple question: who are your great female directors?”

Whether Albania or Romania, he’d seek out answers, and be directed each time to something exciting and fresh.

“Again and again, if you ask open questions you get answers,” he said. Gradually, he could feel the pull of another documentary. “It was like a pressure cooker that built and built in a way, as you read about more and more great filmmakers who are left out of the story of film history.”

In his own A Story of Film, about 20 filmmakers are female. With Women Make Film, he wanted to focus fully on women, and on “treating these filmmakers as filmmakers, not as female filmmakers.”

Gender is both a focus of the documentary and also treated as beside the point, which is a tension that brings its own questions and answers to mull over. A recent study found that more women than ever are directing major films, which makes a documentary like this feel like it couldn’t be more timely. And yet, it feels so late that the world is finally catching up. 

“It’s about the technical and thematic, and love and death and all that, but we did not want to tell a victim story,” said Cousins. So the documentary posits that a sexist industry has deliberately left women out, but it doesn’t treat the women as “victims”, as he said: “To tell a victim story would be to revictimise those filmmakers.”

“I know female filmmakers, and again and again they are sick of being asked about what it’s like being a woman in the industry,” said Cousins. “They want to talk about their work.”

The film is broken into five parts, each at least two hours long. There are multiple female narrators – Tilda Swinton (also an executive producer), Debra Winger, Kerry Fox, Adjoa Andoh and Sharmila Tagore among them – who lead the viewer through different themes (like staging, introducing a character, tone, believability) via an exploration and examination of hundreds of female directors’ work. With 40 different chapters and 700 film clips, it’s an intense watch. But there’s a lightness to it too. 

The same playing field

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Cousins recalled studying a class on literature and noticing how they studied “‘women’s literature’ – as if it was a subsection or minority thing”. While he said he understood and respected why that was the case at the time (usually to address the fact that women had been almost obliterated from the literary canon), it made him question: why? 

“We see it everywhere – I can understand why people did that to at least get women into the conversation, but surely we have to get to a point where we are a bit more gender blind and put them into the same playing field as we do with any other filmmaker,” said Cousins. 

He added that he gets “fed up” when people throw out gendered assumptions about female filmmakers – like how Kathryn Bigelow (The Hurt Locker, Point Break), “makes films like a man”. As the documentary shows, women make films like men make films: in various genres, in various styles. 

Watching the documentary, you find yourself constantly struck by observations like “why have I never heard of this woman before?”. You suddenly realise how much wider the world of film is than you assumed – that there’s a place on the shelf, and in your mind, for the work of Kira Muratova, or Binka Zhelyazkova. You find yourself reminded that it was Penny Marshall who made Big, and Mary Harron who directed American Psycho. 

A lot of the work Women Make Film is doing is highlighting women who have perhaps not had their films viewed in decades, and Cousins and his team hope that their work can now be rescued and reshown. 

While Cousins finds himself troubled about stories of female filmmakers who make one feature and then have to leave the industry for jobs elsewhere, he described himself as an optimist. 

“It’s never too late – better to be talking about these filmmakers, better now than not at all. We wish so much they were more celebrated in their time and hopefully more and more organisations are restoring their films and bringing them out on blu ray. One of our aims is to push for that – lend our shoulder to the wheel.” He praised Gráinne Humphreys at DIFF for making a specific effort in highlighting female filmmakers at this year’s festival.

The documentary has sold to many countries, with TV stations globally inquiring about showing it, which will spread the work of these sometimes forgotten women further. In the #MeToo era, it’s no surprise that people are eager to recover women’s work. 

Cousins called his work both “satisfying” and “frustrating”. He said much of the time, finding women directors was as easy as typing ‘great female filmmakers’ + ‘country name’ into Google. That alone shows that sometimes the information we need is right there, hovering nearby. We just have to look for it. 

Hollywood domination

Cousins maintained that you need to have an “inquiring mind” to do the work he does. You can’t just assume there were no great female filmmakers in Venezuela, or Austria. You need to do the work and look outside America or Europe. 

“I think in the English-speaking world we are really dominated by Hollywood,” he pointed out. “When I was growing up in Belfast, cinema was just Hollywood for me. There was no way I had to find out about [things outside it]. But then once I started to see films from other countries, I was excited – it felt like a revelation, an opening up almost to cinema.

“And when I realised it was a global artform, my love of cinema remained but I realised other things – it could have cultural, political impact. Which is particularly relevant in the times we are currently living in, where politicians around the world are insisting on national boundaries and building walls… it’s quietly radical to love cinema because cinema has no barriers, has no walls.”

The clips in the documentary come from a range of places – some are lower quality than others, underlining the rarity of them. There were letters to archives in some cases, to ask them to release precious prints to be used. 

“It was important for us to show a clip that is bad quality than not at all,” said Cousins. The work was ‘stop-start’ and took place over a few years, involving “a lot of quite intense editing work”. Cousins and a number of other people spent hours watching films they’d never seen before, to pick out parts for inclusion. 

There was no funding for the project, and the production company Hopscotch took no fee. “Between us we were driven by a passion for the project and this indignation when someone says no to you – you say ‘I’ll show you’,” said Cousins. “Therefore we have got a very happy smile on our face given the film is going across the world.”

He said that today, the film industry is “trying to catch up because it feels pretty embarrassed about how little it has done for female filmmakers”. Work on Women Make Film started long before the Harvey Weinstein scandal – it didn’t take #MeToo for Cousins to recognise there was a dearth of women being represented in discussions around filmmaking. “Now the industry is suddenly looking at itself,” he said. 

Indeed, we see again and again questions about why the Oscars has such a bad history with gender representation (and race representation), and why it’s the same with the Baftas. Women are writing and speaking out about the challenges of working in Hollywood, forgotten female filmmakers and reassessing what the movies say about gender.

It is a zeitgeist moment, and Cousins is glad people are catching up. “I do think: better late than never,” he said. “I can understand the filmmakers, female and male, who are just so angry at all of this and how bad it’s been for female directors. But you have to turn your anger into something useful and that’s what we’ve tried to do with this film: turn anger into something really celebratory.”

It’s not that Cousins thinks people shouldn’t be angry, or make films decrying sexist attitudes towards women in film – it’s that Women Make Film has its own space, where it’s solely focused on celebration. He sees it as “part of something”, and lending its voice to a bigger conversation. 

“It will take a while. This is a long film – people will watch it, and bit by bit the impact will be felt in years’ time,” he said.

“Already universities around the world and film schools around the world are changing film programmes and introducing some of these women to film studies students. We think we will have an impact.”

What’s another few years, when women filmmakers have already been waiting decades for recognition?

Women Make Film will be shown in five parts at the Virgin Media Dublin International Film Festival across Saturday 29 February and Sunday 1 March. You can book into one or multiple screenings – for bookings see here. To view some of the directors’ work, visit WomenMakeFilm.net.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:21 AM

    This is an issue. The media, and people in this country need to stop obsessing and focusing on homelessness…the lack of mental health supports for children young people and adults is a national crisis and needs to be addressed now. This issue crosses class and geographical divides, it affects far more than homelessness.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:27 AM

    @Blah blah:
    Isn’t it possible to focus on both?

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:37 AM

    @Avina Laaf:

    And then hospital waiting lists and then public transport and then this and then that. We can’t get everything we want and people wonder why. Oh, and we want to lower taxes too

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:54 AM

    @Nick Allen: so lets abdicate all responsibilities and accounability for TD’s – oh we already have such is the mess.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:12 AM

    @Blah blah: unfortunately most people don’t care about people with mental health issues and like Millie’s dad said just tell them “everything will be ok” and think that solves the issue, when everything clearly isn’t ok.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:27 AM

    @Nick Allen: You’re right there, the government has a lot of sensitive, important issues they can’t or won’t deal with it alright for one reason or another.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 11:04 AM

    @Avina Laaf: I agree but don’t forget there are many that are homeless die to mental health issues too.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 11:36 AM

    @Blah blah: can you honestly not see the correlation between mental health issues and homelessness??

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:05 PM

    @Blah blah: you are wrong. When i became homeless i then became depressed and suicidal. So not sorting the homeless crisis will only add the the suicide rates. I get your point tho x. The mental health services in this country is shameful.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:57 PM

    @Avina Laaf: it all starts at home it look to me 2 very buisy people forgot about their children growing up too late now.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 1:17 PM

    @Tadhg O’shaughnessy: That’s very unfair. Seems to me that they tried to do everything they could but the facilities weren’t available to them.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 5:55 PM

    @lonie: yes there is for some of the homeless. But people need to realise that a person can have a home, a family, a good job and suffer from mental illness and cannot access supports due to lack of funding.
    But the media and some people are blinded by the homeless issue. The homeless issue is not country wide.
    I cannot think of one family, one person who themselves or someone close to them, have not suffered from mental illness.
    Especially youth and child mental illness, I now as an adult can pin point moments of friends who showed signs of mental illness when we were even in primary school, who are no longer here as they couldn’t deal with the pain and had no access to services.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 6:38 PM

    @Nick Allen: Well if hospitals were staffed seven days a week with a full compliment of staff in every area then we wouldn’t be in such a mess to put it mildly. Now before you or anyone else bounces back to me to imply I’m a slave driver! Of course staff should have their five day week slotted in some other way – in other words we simply need more staff! The areas of hospitals which are fully staffed seven days a week are the kitchen and domestic. Do hotels partially close down at 5pm on Friday evenings and reopen at 8am Monday mornings?! No they don’t why? because they come under the category of essential services – Seemingly hospitals don’t and their attached services don’t.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:17 PM

    @Blah blah: its is country wide!! Just because dublin is only mentioned in the media dont be fooled in thinking nowhere else is effected. Im living in Meath and work as a volunteer for a advice services for the homeless and i can tell you there are a lot of homeless people in Meath FACT. Sorting the homeless crisis will take massive pressure of the health services not just mental health

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    Dec 17th 2017, 1:47 AM

    @Blah blah: 3 Government Party FG TD’s tuned up to discuss homelessness. They obviously don’t give a rats ar$e about people.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:42 AM

    Awfully sad.

    But an Instagram account at 11, and people wonder why she was “unhappy with her appearance for a number of years”.

    Instagram is full of image obsessed pouting wannabes, if you are reading this and your 11 year old is on Instagram or Snapchat… Do something about it today.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:17 PM

    @paddlingAlong: I agree young kids are under far to much pressure with social media my heart bleeds for these poor people such a sad needless loss

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:33 AM

    Eist Linn is an 20 bed in patient regional Child and Adolescence mental Health Service CAMHS facility in Cork serving an population of 1.1m people. Only 13 of the 20 beds were ever opened and the prospects of the full 20 ever opening are as far away as ever. In 90% of the county where a CAMHS service actually exists, it operated on a 9 to 5, five day week basis no weekend cover, no out of hours, no on call services. Most CAMHS services would be operating on a 50% to 75% of the recommended staffing levels.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:21 AM

    @Charles Williams:
    Thank you Charles Williams, thats the kind of comment that is useful. Information is king.
    Big hug to those she left behind.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:15 AM

    @Charles Williams: the lack of an out of hours service is a huge issue. My son has ASD and is on a waiting list for CAMHS. This week he has had several full scale panic attacks which are so upsetting to witness yet I had nowhere to call for help or guidance.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 7:38 PM

    @WalKir: well said

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    Dec 17th 2017, 3:46 AM

    @Hoggle: I hope your son gets the help he needs soon

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    Dec 16th 2017, 7:54 AM

    Saw it, extremely, extremely sad for all, no words can lighten what they are going through, awful, awful, time does bring ease,feel for them, life is a balls at times.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:24 AM

    So Sad and such a beautiful little girl God Help Her Family nothing can prepare you for something like this I’m full of admiration for her Mam and Dad going on the Show to talk about it that can’t have been easy something has to be done and done now too many young people taking their own lives

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:06 AM

    Everyone get signing the petition tragedies like this can be avoided.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:37 AM

    Girls have a lot of pressure from online influences. Bullying on Facebook, sexy selfies on Instagram, body image pressure from fashion web sites, e-mail, instant messaging, it’s all too much. I think kids need to disconnect when they come home from school Home should be a safe pace the parents are in control of and the child can relax in. With electronic devices in their bedrooms they are under constant peer pressure now.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:34 AM

    @Adam Douglas: stop, you talking a lot of sense here… Let’s pass ALL the blame to the government, that is the way. and I am not implying that more investment is not needed in mental health because it is needed and neither I am blaming the parents because you can do what you can do at the end of the day… but this society we live in is quit complex for kids and the internet and mobile phones are to me an awful tool to bully, harrass,make self confidence be destroyed – not talking internet stalkers, pedophiles….. a kid should not have social accounts until is mature enough, period…

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:13 AM

    Frightening to say the least her age and not much help its not as if no warning signs but typical ireland whinge after the fact im sure leo will bring in better facilities for mental health when he gets back from the gay pride march he’s at in Tanzania

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:20 AM

    @gavcread: the death and pain of loosing a child, shouldn’t never be used to make cheap political digs..

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:30 AM

    @David Dineen: it’s a fair point , relevant to the subject and not a cheap political point. Saying something that offends your indefensible support if FG isn’t being cheap.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:35 AM

    @gavcread: @gavcread: Seeing that you felt a need to mention gays for some reason, a 2016 study funded by the HSE National Office for Suicide Prevention found that LGBT youth in Ireland are three times as likely to attempt suicide than heterosexuals of the same age. Also, considering that authorities in Tanzania routinely conduct anal examinations of suspected gays in order to imprison them, I’d be happy to think that Leo is supporting the gay community there.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:40 AM

    @Misanthrope:

    It is a cheap swipe. It’s jumping on an issue and blaming the government/ Leo whatever the issue is.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:59 AM

    @Nick Allen: remarking on our skeletal mental health and child psychological services in a fair point to make. The lack of such services is government policy.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:30 AM

    @Misanthrope: And funding being cut to mental health too several times by FG and Labour too whilst they were in coalition, it doesn’t get highlighted much at all for some reason.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 11:44 AM

    It was a pitiful attempt to link the two. Anyway, it is Simon you need to give out to, unless you believe ministers have no function

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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:08 AM

    Extremely upsetting watch. People need to see the bigger picture here though. There is zero point being outraged by the lack of supports for these children if on budget day you complain about tax hikes. We are a small nation who underfund most of our vital services, yet expect them to function properly. We can’t have it both ways; Ireland needs to decide what kind of a society we want, and start looking at our own personal responsibility to achieve that!

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    Dec 16th 2017, 4:00 PM

    @Himalaya Joe: it was very brave for Fiona and Tim to go onto the late late show, words fail to describe what difficult a journey it must be to lose your 11 year old beautiful daughter and then try make sense of the world and deal with the very many flaws and weaknesses in Ireland’s services. I don’t really understand why people use comment sections on such difficult subjects to waffle

    - they have made really important points worth thinking about seriously and signing petition for to try correct

    lWe are spending ten times more on road safety messages than suicide prevention but losing much more of our people young and old to suicide and need to try remedy that. Please sign the petition !!

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    Dec 16th 2017, 7:21 PM

    @Dave Hammond: Dave if you want to hear harrowing story after harrowing story while putting your head in the sand about the root causes for the lack of effective services, that’s your own business. I, on the other hand, would rather we came up with solutions so we don’t keep losing children like this. Cheers for the advice though.

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    Dec 17th 2017, 6:54 PM

    @Himalaya Joe: erm perhaps you should read my comment again where I suggested taking some action instead of waffling. Cheers.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:14 AM

    Everyone who is feeling anxiety and depression should go and talk to their GP who should take bloods to check their vitiman B, D, folic acid and magnesium levels. Any defiency of the above can cause anxiety. That can be adjusted if you are deficienced, before starting anti depressants and turning to alcohol for instant relief.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:28 AM

    Unfortunately its not seen so our useless government will do nothing about it. One of the best services in the country is Pieta house and its a charity, that tells you everything.

    What a sick depraved society we have when a beautiful young child feels they have to take such drastic action because of their appearance.

    Rip angel, your environment was ugly, not you

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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:06 AM

    Watched it, so heart breaking.
    The goverment do not care about the lack of help for mental heath difficulties or facilities.
    More interested in lining there own pockets.
    Talk & talk only way of helping your self.
    So proud of those parents, may they take comfort in the fact they are now helping others.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 1:32 PM

    I feel because suicides aren’t allowed to be reported and are screened from the media there is no awareness of how prevalent they are. It also gives the impression that we are not allowed know about it. I think there would be a public outcry about lack of resources, support systems etc if we were properly aware of the facts. An honest and open reporting of suicide is needed.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 11:30 AM

    Strong verbal emphasis on “She donated her organs, she saved five lives”…a stash of medication under an 11 year old’s bed?? Not buying this one folks.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:09 PM

    @@MsMacAvoy: can you explain Please? Don’t get your point

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    Dec 16th 2017, 4:26 PM

    @@MsMacAvoy: agree with you 100 % at that age she should not have a care in the world ,very strange, odd

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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:26 PM

    @Patricia Ellis Dunne: If Simon “Communion Money” Harris shoves his non-consensual organ conscription “Robocop” program for big pharma through the Dail this week whilst everyone is on the lash or buried in supermarket shIIte then you know you’ve been had. No questions asked about how an 11 year old child acquired a stash of prescription meds to rival that of mid 80s Don Simpson.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:28 PM

    @Patricia Ellis Dunne: And those Instagram “selfies” have clearly been taken by someone else.

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    Dec 17th 2017, 1:50 AM

    @@MsMacAvoy: you came to all these conclusions with a couple of photos and how much fact exactly? Take your tinfoil hat wearing head and poke it somewhere else. These people have lost their daughter and your bat s***crazy comments don’t help anyone.

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    Dec 17th 2017, 8:06 AM

    @@MsMacAvoy: clown

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    Dec 17th 2017, 12:02 PM

    @@MsMacAvoy: ah right! Ok

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    Mute John Walsh
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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:06 PM

    My heart goes out to the parents , suicide is unimaginably horrendous to those left behind , very brave of them to go public and leave themselves open to ignorant comments .
    Hopefully more lives can be saved

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    Dec 16th 2017, 4:21 PM

    very sad, very strange

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    Mute Bobby tolster
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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:46 PM

    kids under 16 shouldn’t be let near social media or the internet, how many suicides will it take to make people cop on.

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    Mute Betty Bestie
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    Dec 17th 2017, 2:22 PM

    Children do not get mysteriously depressed out of the blue, just like that. Read ‘The Drama of Being a Child’ by Alice Miller.

    “She loved to ice-skate, skating up to competition standard.” Why is it relevant that she skated “up to competition standard”? She loved to skate, full stop.

    This child was badly let down. But who sits back and waits for the State to take care of them in such a crisis. You leave no stone unturned when urgent help is not forthcoming. Art therapy for a chld who is self-harming? Not blooming likely. The husband comes across as a middle-class Dubliner. Surely if he had sent out an SOS to extended family and friends, someone would have produced a psychiatrist willing too care for his daughter. That’s the way these things work, whether we like it or not.

    Their call for a Sucide Prevention Authority is laudable, but we really have to take repsonsibility for our own action – or inaction – as well. RIP Milly, and sincere condolences to the family.

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    Mute gavcread
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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:31 AM

    @David bury our heads in the sand and pretend everything is hunky dory ok tell that to the parents that clown seems more interested in that mug on his table than actually doing anything.

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    Mute Inny Ginny
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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:35 AM

    People’s bodies people’s choice ……no ??? Who are we to tell them what to do ….no????

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    Mute Dell
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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:46 AM

    @Inny Ginny: not the time or place and really shows a lack of empathy and understanding on your part.

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    Mute Inny Ginny
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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:58 AM

    @Dell: it certainly is

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    Mute Joe Conlon
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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:02 AM

    @Inny Ginny: Why do you finish your sentence with ‘..no???’, have you ever even been to school…..no???. Your comment is not only insensitive but I believe that you could be a caveman….no???

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    Mute Deborah Blacoe
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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:04 AM

    @Inny Ginny: NO! When someone is suffering from a mental health issue, especially a child, they are not in a clear state of mind. Their choices are coloured by illness.

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    Mute Aoife Ní Ruairc
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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:17 AM

    @Inny Ginny: Suicide should never cross a child mind. While we’re here though, Maybe if she had access to proper information and full access to the medical help she needed she wouldn’t have felt like she had to take matters into her own hands. Have some compassion. Not every issue is black and white

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