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Antonio Calanni

Italian brewer in Lombardy: 'The main lie we have seen is that the virus can only be dangerous for the elderly'

A brewer in Codogno, Lombardy – ‘the Wuhan of Italy’ – has advice for Irish people on how to view the threat of the virus.

AN ITALIAN BREWER based in the centre of Lombardy, which was the first area in Italy to go into a ‘Red Zone’ lockdown, has advised Irish people that coronavirus isn’t just ‘the flu for the elderly’ – adding that people in their 40s are being hospitalised.

It comes as countries prepare for the influx of hospitalisations from the virus, which had been dismissed by some members of the public as ‘like the flu’ due to similar symptoms. Doctors are now comparing it to severe pneumonia. 

Pietro Di Pilato runs the Brewfist brewery and taproom, based in a small town in Lombardy called Codogno, where 15,000 people live.

On Friday 21 February, they got word that a man in the town had been infected by the virus, but they didn’t worry too much about it, as it was just one case.

This was the case of ‘patient one’, also known as Mattia – a 38-year-old Unilever worker who was recently released from the intensive care unit after contracting the virus.

This is considered the source of both the Codogno outbreak and another in the Veneto region – but ‘patient zero’, who passed it onto him, has yet to be found. Patient Zero was originally thought to be a man who had travelled back from China – but he tested negative for the virus.

Close contacts of the 38-year-old also contracted the virus, including his pregnant wife, a friend, regulars at a bar in Codogno, as well as doctors, nurses and other hospital patients. He was also a customer of the Brewfist taproom. 

‘Ambulances every 20 minutes’

By 2pm on that Friday of the confirmed case, the Brewfist taproom was closed, and by the end of the day all pub, bars, and restaurants were closed.

“We’ve been quarantined for a month now,” Di Pilato says. Police and the army came to close the roads, and authorisation and permission were needed to leave the area.

“Things got more and more serious – but to get to this point, I mean no no one was really, really expecting it. Things climbed within a few days – the nightmare with ambulances everywhere, people dying. So things changed really quickly.”

In the first two weeks it was really dramatic. I live in the very centre of the town and you could hear ambulances one every 20 minutes. 
Then, when we were close to the end of the second week, you could see that the things were improving because the sound of the ambulances were less and less frequent and the numbers were doing really well. 

He said that they’re now starting to close parks in Italy, as many activities are banned, but people are still gathering outdoors.

“The main problem with Italy is we’re not really good at following rules. Nowadays, you have to stay home, unless you have a very good reason or you have to go shopping for food.” 

“People have to understand it, they have to stay in. I know it’s hard – I’m looking outside of the brewery, it’s 20 degrees in Italy, it’s a beautiful sunny day. It’s hard. 

“But, if we want to go back to our life as soon as possible, this is the only way.”

When asked what advice he has for people, Di Pilato says:

“I would say, obviously, I have a lot of friends abroad, I have a lot of friends in the UK. The UK is a country that scares me because of the way the approach it, but now people are starting to realise that is not a joke virus. But I would say that the main lie that we have seen in newspapers all around the world, is that the virus can be dangerous only for the elderly, and that is not true.

There’s been a lot of people my age, I’m 40s, a lot of people my age hospitalised and under ventilation because they couldn’t breathe on their own. Obviously, if you are 80 years old, you’re probably more at risk, but if you are 40, you are not safe.

“So, you shouldn’t be underestimating it. And we all have to be very smart and take care of ourselves and try to avoid too much contact.”

Keeping the business afloat 

At the start, they weren’t allowed to make deliveries, so they just focused on paperwork. 

But by the time they entered their second week of quarantine, they had gained authorisation to leave and make deliveries. 

He said that at this point, it was just Lombardy in lockdown, so there was a lot of empathy for businesses in the region as the rest of the country was still running.

“So we got a lot of orders from customers,” he said.

Now, he could bring employees into work, but all Italian pubs, clubs and bars were closed. Orders from France and the UK never left the area because they were cancelled as the coronavirus situation escalated there, too. 

They’re carrying out some deliveries, but not to people’s homes.

“Most of the companies are working, so we have a lot of people inside. That’s not the ideal situation, but again, the feeling we have here that the main goal at the end is not to avoid everybody getting infected – it’s just to slow down the infection.”

DSCF4073 Pietro Di Pilato and Bob Coggins. MAX FEDOROV MAX FEDOROV

Bob Coggins, a friend of Di Pilato who runs craft brewery White Hag, has been working on growing the company’s international market, which involves a St Patrick’s Day tour across Europe.

They export a lot of beers to northern Italy, and ahead of St Patrick’s Day, they cancelled around 30% of their orders. This trend then followed in other countries. 

“It just so happens that nearly every place we sent beer has either shut down in advance of St Patrick’s Day, or they’re just struggling to remain open.”

As distributors for small to medium businesses are usually small businesses themselves, so the brewery won’t get paid until the beer is sold, which might not be for several months.

“We’re pretty concerned,” Coggins says. “We’re still trying to sell through the stuff we have at the moment. It really was like 10 days ago, over the weekend I realised what we were going to face into. 

At the moment, they’re focussing on home deliveries and online sales. 

“That’s been brilliant but it’s small, because if you think of the volume of beer we would sell – maybe 200 kegs a week around Ireland – we’re able to get a quarter of that sent out to people.

“It’s also a danger to the culture and vocation of brewing because we haven’t had a brewing culture here for 150 years in Ireland. The big breweries bought up snapped off consolidated and closed small breweries, so there’s a danger here that people will opt away from brewing and distilling because of kind of fall away in those businesses actually existing.”

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    Mar 21st 2020, 12:14 AM

    We the people need to take this serious and act accordingly, our government can only do so much but if we don’t take this seriously we won’t be far behind from Italy

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    Mar 21st 2020, 12:38 AM

    @Irish Snowden: God for bid we get like Italy, we’ll never manage.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 3:12 AM

    @Eileen O’Sullivan: met him once after a lecture, sound lad, and he’s absolutely correct

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    Mar 21st 2020, 11:12 AM

    @Linda Hegarty: Check out the graphs – it doesn’t look good. More action is required – Now.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 1:55 AM

    By not isolating, you are effectively signing the death warrant of your granny, your Grandad and your Neighbour. You are completely reversing any efforts to contain the virus . Think about that.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 12:31 AM

    Thanks, Journal. You guys do great work.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 4:46 AM

    It will get worse before..
    Follow the rules and it will last for the shortest possible time.Isolation/quarantine day 5 here in France.Supermarkets, Boulangeries, Tabacs, Petrol Stations and Pharmacies open.Can’t leave home without a printed out or hand written form signed, dated, date of birthed and addressed.Can only go out if work from home is not possible, for solo running/jogging within a 2km radius of your house. Cycling forbidden.
    Shop for food or meds.
    Can not go anywhere to visit anyone.
    Beaches closed.
    Nice City implemented a curfew from last night.
    The Promenade there closed too.
    We expect MORE restrictions this weekend, maybe Monday.
    Teenagers hanging out is a big one.
    People going to meet people.
    Isolate, focus on your family , forget meeting people, can’t stress that enough.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 9:07 AM

    @Colm Molloy: I’m curious as to why cycling is forbidden? I go out solo as a lot of people do, I understand if it’s to stop the gangs going out together on a Sunday but why ban individuals?

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    Mar 21st 2020, 9:14 AM

    @InvaderSkoodge: cycling is forbidden on the basis of risk of injury. If you fall and fracture a bone, you are putting extra pressure of overstretched health services.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 9:52 AM

    @Martynas Saulius: that’s crazy. I’ve been cycling for 5 years now 200km a week. One minor fall. No injuries. You could just as easily get injured walking or running.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 10:57 AM

    @Martynas Saulius: while I do understand that, you could just as easily get injured running or driving your car to the shops. Does Italy have anything akin to vhi swiftcare for things like that or have they been pulled into treating coronavirus patients as well? Genuinely curious.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 12:56 AM

    Has The Journal checked this story?? If it is correct why are they not challenging our politicians about the facts. Are we being lied to? We should be told everything. Why are so many healthy people dying in Italy? Give us the facts.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 1:16 AM

    @Brendan Woods: The fact is the Italian Health Service cannot cope with the serious cases hence they are struggling to save lives.
    The Irish Health Service will struggle to but that is why our Goverment has acted very quick, so we might be able to keep deaths at a minimum… I know people will say they should have acted sooner..
    But hopefully with the cooperation of the Irish people we can keep deaths at a minimum … I hate to think what the British will be going through in a few weeks..
    And worse still it has yet to take off really in Africa or South East Asia namely the Phillipines, Indonesia etc., health care is very poor same with India and Pakistan, millions will potentially die.
    It’s terrible.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 1:45 AM

    @Paul O’Sullivan: I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying Paul. What I am saying is, there are people in Italy with no underlying health problems that are dying, why is this? Just tell us the facts. Should we expect people here without underlying health problems to die? Tell us the truth.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 1:51 AM

    @Brendan Woods: healthy people are dying in Italy because they didn’t distance socially early enough thus the hospitals were inundated with unwell people who’s symptoms escalated due to over saturation and so unnecessary deaths occurred. If we all just stay home as much as possible we may still get sick but at a rate that the hospitals can cope with. End of

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    Mar 21st 2020, 1:56 AM

    @Brendan Woods: I think it is affecting healthy young people as well, maybe not as bad as vulnerable or elderly, but the emphasis should be that this can kill anyone.
    I dont want to say this out of respect to the third person to die from this out of respect, but the HSE did say that person had no known underlying health issue. The fid not give her age, she was not classed elderly as in over 60.
    The highest percentage in hospital is 30 -45 year olds at 22 %
    And in Italy twice as many men are dying than women, so it is a virus that is dangerous to all as far as I’m concerned.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 2:05 AM

    @Paul O’Sullivan: That is my point. We should be made aware of all the facts. Leo made a statement on TV that for young people if would result in the symptoms of a bad cold. Now they say if your young and healthy you can die. Tell us the truth now.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 2:22 AM

    @Brendan Woods: I agree,

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    Mar 21st 2020, 2:38 AM

    @Brendan Woods: The facts are there man. If the hospitals get overrun, which will happen if people don’t adhere to social distancing, people’s symptoms escalate- young or old. There are only so many beds/doctors/nurses- they can’t treat everyone. That is why there is a high mortality rate in Italy. The system is overrun.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 5:39 AM

    @Paul O’Sullivan: she was 88 according to her daughter on twitter

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    Mar 21st 2020, 6:21 AM

    @Brendan Woods: I think it’s kind of hard to point the finger and ask who is it going to get and who is it not going to get.
    It seems for a majority of the younger people it will pass a cold/ mild flu. It will or may also put some young people in hospital. The mortality rate is higher among the older people or people with underlying issues.
    My opinion is as days go by they are learning more and more about this terrible virus. Theres only so much government or doctors can do until a vaccine is produced.
    Through out the last couple weeks I thought the government and doctors have been pretty blunt. Just stay away from each other as best we can.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 10:06 AM

    @Brendan Woods: Italy never published the ages associated with the deaths or hospitalizations. That was enough of a warning for me.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 3:15 AM

    They showed a chart on here the other day & the highest rate of infected people were in the 35- 44=age group, so we already know it’s NOT just the elderly that are at risk!

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    Mar 21st 2020, 6:42 AM

    @Colette Kearns: Contracting the virus and dying from it are too totally different things don’t mix them up.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 8:48 AM

    @Peter Hughes: Yes I’m only referring to people becoming infected by it!

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    Mar 21st 2020, 4:46 AM

    People are everywhere looks like they are on holiday! We all know what happened in Italy and people still walk around. I’m a very positive man but believe me we go nowhere if we continue like that.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 12:22 AM

    Stop turning into the Daily Mail

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    Mar 21st 2020, 12:34 AM

    @Wheresmyjumper: Find your Jumper.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 12:51 AM

    @John Hazelnut: Find your Jumper first. I have my Hazelnuts, and Walnuts.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 2:53 AM

    ‘It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.’ (Twain).

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    Mar 21st 2020, 7:40 AM

    The Italian nation health institute has stated that 0.8% of deaths in Italy the person had no other underlying illness

    50% of the deaths the person had three or more underlying illness’

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    Mar 21st 2020, 2:40 AM

    Does anyone know how contact tracing works now if it takes approx 8 days from test request to result? And 2-3 days to know you are sick. How far back do they go?

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    Mar 21st 2020, 3:28 AM

    @Marlnor: Who knows. They sit on chairs at the back of a stage with the sign language person up front and just give basic replies. They should be telling us more. The time for privacy is gone.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 6:31 AM

    @Brendan Woods: have you not being listening the past few weeks. You seem to have more of an issue with government rather than the virus. Any person with common sense knows what’s going on and the dangers it presents.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 6:49 AM

    @Brendan Woods: what more do you want to know??? Seriously have you been living under a rock lately.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 8:58 AM

    @Brendan Woods: We are being told enough, and repeatedly. Social distance, stay at home and wash your hands.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 10:48 AM

    @Jun Stone: how many have recovered??

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    Mar 21st 2020, 7:58 PM

    @Brendan Woods: Brendan why don’t we just ask the government to report all findings to you seeing as though you absolutely have to know every little detail. Stay away from people, stay at home, avoid contact, wash your hands regularly, don’t touch your mouth nose or eyes and if you have to go out keep your distance and when you return home give the house a good clean. Those instructions will give you a great chance of staying safe and healthy and then wait for further instruction. Why can’t people get this into their head.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 1:53 AM

    The Italians are masters of their own destiny in this. They partied while Rome burned they ignored government directions to stay indoors isolated from others. They partied for two weeks allowing the virus to take a stranglehold on their country.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 2:09 AM

    @Fergal_Carlow: And they were allowed to fly to Dublin for a cancelled rugby match and fill the pubs of the city with their virus

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    Mar 21st 2020, 2:27 AM

    @Eddie Byrne: They didn’t own the virus? I get your point on the stupidity of the government and HSE not putting in place quarantine and isolation earlier though! The approach of let’s see if the virus gets here and see if we can track and trace all contact’s with any given carrier was flawed…..

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    Mar 21st 2020, 2:32 AM

    @Fergal_Carlow: Why are none essential retail stores across Ireland still open then if everybody is staying indoors here.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 3:58 AM

    @Fergal_Carlow: I hardly think they “partied’.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 4:41 AM

    @Fergal_Carlow
    I don’t see any different in here at the moment!

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    Mar 21st 2020, 6:07 AM

    @Eddie Byrne: you only need 1 person from anywhere in the world to create this in a country. First cases here in Ireland were Irish back from holiday in North Italy. Just to give a prospective

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    Mar 21st 2020, 7:30 AM

    @Fergal_Carlow: Meanwhile in Ireland there are still plenty of young people gathering in groups everyday and plenty of restaurants and pubs breaking the rules by allowing crowds to gather.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 9:14 AM

    @Sam Greene: Many did by all accounts hence the spread of the virus

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    Mar 21st 2020, 11:55 AM

    @Fergal_Carlow: not true, I am Irish and live here…the Italians took this very seriously from day 1…on what evidence do you make this ridiculous comment? I saw for myself how seriously they took it,and quite honestly thought they were over the top and taking it too seriously. Ireland on the other hand don’t seem to be taking it a seriously as they should…please just stay home and stay safe

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    Mar 21st 2020, 11:55 AM

    @Eddie Byrne: Irish pubs that were open…whose fault is that?

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    Mar 21st 2020, 12:32 AM

    Why are you deleting my comment???

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    Mar 21st 2020, 12:32 AM

    @Mark: YouTube “italy coffins” and watch the army trucks carrying 500 people including 12 doctors
    And then youtube “italy coffins church” and watch a mass in italy. In lombardy the average daily death rate before the virus was 300, it’s now 640, 240 deaths higher and this virus hasn’t even been exposed to the entire community and it almost kills more people than all other forms of deaths combined. I’m not for scaremongering but dare call this a bad flu and you are contributing this this viruses death rate. Stay at home, wash your hands and use social distancing when you MUST go outside. It will save someone’s life, imagine you could say you done that? Stop deleting my comment

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    Mar 21st 2020, 12:01 PM

    @Mark: well said, I’m Irish and in Italy…if Irish people don’t take this seriously, we are going to be devastated by this virus…please stay home…keep your distance when you have to go out..Italy has one of the best health services in the world, and they are overwhelmed…I dread to think about how the Irish health services will cope..please take this very seriously

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    Mar 21st 2020, 11:50 AM

    I’m in Italy at the moment…I really don’t understand what the discussion is about in Ireland.
    Just don’t go out! Please just look at the evidence of the Italian experience..a country with one of the best health services in the world.
    We all infect each other if we don’t stay at home. A few weeks ago I didn’t think it could get so bad so quickly….so please stay safe at home…it’s just for a few weeks, and will save a lot of lives and suffering. It’s not a nice way to die.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 1:44 PM

    @Ronan Skelly: please send this message to every single article, let some of idiots know what is happening now, they are still thinking it’s far away from them, and they are laughing at People talking about those seriously, laughing at people wearing mask, really not sure what they are thinking. It’s so simple, just lockdown everything as early as possible, if we don’t lockdown now we still have to lockdown later anyway

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    Mar 21st 2020, 11:44 AM

    Patient zero was probably tested too late. I’m waiting to be tested & this is day 4 of waiting. Then it will probably be another 3+ days to get a result back. That’s not a great way to control a pandemic

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    Mar 21st 2020, 7:32 AM

    I hope this article can wake those idiots up, they choose not believe what they heard from China, but they should believe what they saw in Italy, isolation, social distancing, washing your hand, wearing a mask, they won’t complete stop the virus, but more you do, less chance viruses will spread

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    Mar 21st 2020, 7:00 AM

    Talk about adding more worry to an already worried country. I’m living abroad and watching it from the outside. People are genuinely scared. The news seems to only add to these fears!

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    Mar 21st 2020, 8:58 AM

    @Cian Geary: have you seen some of the view counts on these articles ? Happy days for the journal !!!!

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    Mar 21st 2020, 6:55 AM

    Ahhh well if a brewer says so…….

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    Mar 21st 2020, 10:47 AM

    Elderlies are more vulnerable but this doesn’t mean the virus doesn’t threat lives of other age groups. In fact many of the people died of this in China were in their 20s and 30s. Some of them are medical professionals who know what best to do and what not.

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    Mar 21st 2020, 5:04 PM

    hi
    waiting here boys…
    copy this link – 69chat.club

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    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute zachary vvm
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    Mar 21st 2020, 11:18 AM

    I think there’s a few main lies.

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