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'Cyclists are taking their life in their hands': Exposing poor bike infrastructure across Ireland

The second part of Noteworthy’s in-depth investigation analyses complaints to uncover the main problems facing cyclists.

“FOR PEOPLE STUCK behind windscreens, it’s frustrating… but for those of us with wind in our hair, it’s unpleasant. You have to rev yourself up sometimes.”

Martina Callanan from Galway Cycling Campaign cycles into town on the Headford Road, a congested route that goes to the university. Though Galway has the second highest percentage of commuters cycling in a city, Callanan said “you’re mainly sharing the roads with other motor vehicle users and there are very few dedicated cycle tracks”.

According to the campaigner, the bike lane on her route “is essentially a pavement”. This is dangerous for cyclists as “it is cut across by access roads to retail parks so you have to come off the path frequently” where other traffic is given priority.

In part one of this investigation, we analysed Road Safety Authority (RSA) cyclist injury data from 2005 to 2016. Today, we reveal the top cycle-related complaints to city councils, how poor infrastructure is affecting cyclists and how this can lead to injuries which can cost local authorities thousands in public liability claims.

To do this, we analysed injury and bicycle-related complaint data as well as hundreds of pages of documents. We found:

COMPLAINTS:

  • Almost 60% of the recent cycling-related complaints we analysed were about bike lanes;
  • The top bike lane and road issue was poor surface mainly due to potholes;
  • Broken glass was the top reported cleaning request, followed by gravel and leaves.

CLAIMS:

  • Public liability claims have been brought against many councils in relation to bike falls, slips or collisions in recent years;
  • Between all the Dublin councils, except for South Dublin who did not provide us with a breakdown, 178 claims were made amounting to over €110,000 (of those complete) from 2017 to 2020.
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Call for cycle lanes

Noteworthy compiled data from complaints we obtained through freedom of information (FOI) requests to the city councils (from 2018 to date) and by scraping over 7,600 road-related reports on FixYourStreet.ie (from 2019 to date). View a map of the final scraped reports we used here. Those that had coordinates were mainly in Dublin.

Not all city councils shared their data with us, but we analysed almost 1,500 complaints from Limerick, Waterford, Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, Fingal and Galway City councils. From all of this data, we found over 600 complaints directly related to cycling. 

A high res version of this graph can be found here.

Over 20% of cycle-related complaints were about the provision of infrastructure with the top of these being about bike parking. Almost a quarter of the reports were people asking councils to install cycle lanes at locations around Ireland, mainly in urban areas.

Many cyclists described the current infrastructure as unsafe with one Galwegian writing to the council: “Cyclists are taking their life in their hands trying to reach cycle lanes on Bothar na dTreabh from Parkmore. I recently have taken out income protection for this purpose only.” (Received by Galway City Council, September 2019)

Callanan from the Galway Cycling Campaign knows the roads there well. Her nearby cycle route, the Headford Road, is a blackspot for bikes as there were 16 cyclist collisions, including two serious injuries, along a 1km length of this route, from 2005 to 2016.

Callanan describes her journey along this route in the video below where you can see the large roundabouts and junctions she navigates.

This 560m of cycle track on this road was given a C2 rating in the latest Galway Transport Strategy, published almost four years ago. It stated that “C-rated facilities are more varied”. They include on-road cycle lanes and “cycle lanes in poor condition or below standard” and “allow for a degree of sharing of the road space, sometimes with relatively high speed traffic and / or large vehicles”.

This strategy proposes to extend the inbound bus lane “which can also be used by cyclists”, add signage “to reduce motorised traffic speeds” and “advertise the presence of cyclists”.

Responding to poor infrastructure

In Galway, they have implemented a Cycle Bus “as a response to the lack of cycle infrastructure”, explained Callanan. This initiative involves a number of volunteers and parents who cycle with a group of children to ensure they get to school safely.

Another initiative set up due to poor cycling infrastructure is iBikeDublin. Alan Downey, who showed us his journey into town from Fairview in part one of this investigation, has taken part in a number of “bike lane protection” measures with this campaign group.

“We get together a bunch of cyclists and will line up along the edge of the bike lane so nobody can stop or park in it. It allows people cycling to use the small amount of safe infrastructure that we are provided with and keep it clear.”

One section of road where they have taken this action is at O’Connell Bridge. The bridge and its junctions had 19 collisions, including one fatality and one serious injury over the 12 years of data we analysed. The fatality occurred on the junction with Aston Quay which was the most dangerous part of the quays with two fatalities, one serious and five minor injuries within 270m.

Bike Lane Protection - iBikeDublin One of the ‘bike lane protection’ measures taken on O’Connell Street near the bridge. iBikeDublin iBikeDublin

Dublin City Council said that the planned cycle scheme on the quays “is unlikely to be in place before 2024” so they are currently designing an interim scheme from Phoenix Park to O’Connell Street. Christopher Manzira, the council’s senior transportation officer, said they “hoped to have it implemented by August” and in spite of the pandemic “are still working broadly to that timeline”. To do this they plan to install ‘wand’ bike lane protectors.

However, it was reported recently in the Business Post that the Dublin City Centre Traders Alliance, whose members include Brown Thomas and its carpark as well as Arnotts and Jervis Shopping Centre, has said it will take the City Council to court if it does not apply for planning permission for this temporary cycle route.

FOI documents the Sunday paper obtained showed Owen Keegan, Dublin City Council’s chief executive, wrote in an email that these objections were “hardly a surprise” and “I presume we will plough on”. The council said it had the authority under the road traffic legislation to set up a temporary cycle route. Dublin Chamber of Commerce which represents 1,300 businesses are supporting the scheme.

Problematic design

These protectors were recently installed by the council on a contra-flow cycle lane on a different section of road, Lombard Street East, near Pearse Street Station. However, an example of a cycle-unfriendly junction, according to the many cyclists who contacted Noteworthy, sits just opposite on the other side of the road.

You can watch cyclist Paddy Monahan on the video below take us on his cycle through this junction and explain why it is problematic.

To prevent designs like this in future, Monahan said there needs to be “better inclusion of cyclists” in the design of roads as well as the prioritisation of cycling, sustainable transport and people with disabilities.

Dublin City Council told Noteworthy that it is redesigning this route. Manzira explained that “the changes will include the upgrade of that junction and the island which is creating some ambiguity between car drivers and cyclists. That will be resolved as soon as we are able to go back into work, probably June [2020].”

Facing obstacles

Another issue which contributes to cyclist injuries is the poor surface of bike lanes and roads. In fact, Noteworthy found that 46% of all cycle-related road complaints were about this, with half of these in relation to potholes.

A high res version of this graph can be found here.

A large number of complaints state that a cyclist fell off their bike and in some cases were injured. This is one of the calls logged by the local authorities: “Waterford Ambulance Service reported that he was nearly killed. Very large pothole at the junction of Viewmount Park and Ballinakill Road and his front wheel of bicycle went into the crater.” (Received by Waterford City and County Council, January 2019)

In addition to potholes on roads, many were also reported on bike tracks. This report is from Fix Your Street: “There’s a deep pothole in the cycle lane (northbound) that caused me to crash off my bike, as it was full of rainwater so I didn’t see it.” (Geotagged: Bray Road near Kilbogget Park in South Dublin, August 2019)

Potholes can cost councils thousands in public liability claims. For example, we found through FOI that Limerick City and Council paid an average of over €150,000 annually on all claims relating to potholes from 2014 to 2018, though this rose to almost €250,000 from January to October last year.

Public liability claims have also been brought against many councils in relation to bike falls, slips or collisions in recent years. Between all the Dublin councils, except for South Dublin who did not provide us with a breakdown, 178 claims were made amounting to over €110,000 (of those complete) from 2017 to 2020. Dublin City had the most of these with 118 claims and over €96,000 in payouts.

Cork City Council also refused to give Noteworthy their public liability claim details or copies of complaints we requested through the FOI process. However, the Fix Your Street reports we obtained about the city noted “sloppy cycle lane markings”, “potholes in the cycle lane” and a traffic light in the cycleway which “is dangerous for unsuspecting cyclists”.

Poor Surface - iBikeDublin Member Road surface at Parnell Square East submitted as part of a recent complaint to Dublin City Council iBikeDublin member iBikeDublin member

Another issue that is repeated across Ireland is parked cars and other traffic in bike lanes. Noteworthy found that almost 10% of all cycle-related road complaints were about them being blocked.

Cork Cycling Campaign have been concentrating on this issue for the past two years. Conn Donovan, its chair, said “it’s very worrying because most of the cycle lanes in Cork are in the city centre and used by less experienced cyclists”. If a car parks there, you have to perform a manoeuvre to merge back into the road, he explained. “That’s tricky for someone who’s new to cycling and completely unnecessary.”

Donovan said that weekends are the most frustrating, in particular along Alfred Street near the train station. “There is very little parking from nine to five as they know it’s an area that’s been flagged [to Cork City Council] but then the warden clocks off and the cars flock into the cycle lane.”

When asked about this, Cork City Council said that “traffic wardens are very aware of the issues which can be caused by vehicles parking in cycle lanes and enforce [the] same across the entire city. Obviously traffic wardens cannot be everywhere at once but we have an enforcement regime which targets areas of higher incidence of non-compliance.”

Headford Road - Martina Callanan - Blurred Cars blocking the cycle lane while stopped at traffic lights, Headford Road, Galwa Martina Callanan Martina Callanan

To address the issue of parking in cycle lanes in Dublin, the council “has set itself a target of 10 km of protected cycle lane for 2020”, according to Manzira, and they hope to achieve twice that next year. Once these protections are installed, they will also try “to make them 24/7 cycle lanes” as at the moment cars can legally park in them at certain times.

Slippery issues

Maintenance of cycle lanes and roads was a big driver of complaints from the data we obtained. Requests for the council to clean sections of cycle lanes accounted for almost 25% of complaints that related to roads. The top issue was broken glass, followed by gravel and leaves.

Some punctures were reported by cyclists due to glass or hedge-cutting while slips were occurring mainly due to unswept leaves. Lack of gritting of cycle lanes was also an issue with icy surfaces reported.

A high res version of this graph can be found here.

One problem encountered by Dublin City Council with the sweeping of cycle lanes, in particular those protected by wands, is they do not have a road sweeper to clean them as the “big sweepers do not have the capability of sweeping on the locations where we will be putting in these delineators”. They are currently working on identifying “appropriate sweepers which would be sufficiently small to use”.

Oil was also mentioned but in less than 2% of complaints we analysed. However, this became a major issue on Dublin’s roads earlier this year when the Dublin Cycling Campaign noticed an increasing trend on social media of cyclists posting images of slips and falls.

They began to collect reports, mapped them and “saw clusters near construction sites”, explained Kieran Ryan, communications coordinator for the group. In response to this, Dublin City Council inspected the sites and committed to prioritising the cleaning of these junctions. For one oil spill, they found evidence that it was related to an adjacent construction site so they treated the road and served a notice to the contractor. 

Grit on Cycle Lane Gravel on a cycle lane in Cabinteely (Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown) Dublin cyclist Dublin cyclist

Untracked funding

There are cycling plans and strategies in place in a number of towns and cities across Ireland and if there isn’t any, there should be by the end of this year. Local authorities have a deadline of December to “set forth a clear pathway and timetable for the installation of dedicated cycling infrastructure”.

This is one of the actions of the Climate Action Plan which was published by the Government last year. It also states that “current transport infrastructure programmes [are] to immediately be revised to achieve at least 10% expenditure on facilitating cycling”.

However, when Noteworthy contacted the city councils about their cycling spend, some could not provide a detailed breakdown as budgets were allocated as part of wider transport projects in many instances.

Fingal County Council said “in relation to the request for capital works on cycling infrastructure FCC do not track expenditure on cycling infrastructure as a specific category of spend”. Cork City Council refused this aspect of our FOI request as “the record concerned does not exist or cannot be found”.

Limerick City and County Council said “it is estimated that 20% is spent on cycling infrastructure plans”. A breakdown of the planned cycle network was provided by Galway City and County Council with phase one and two costing an estimated 14.65 and 17.5 million respectively, “subject to NTA approval and funding”.

Waterford City and County Council provided a breakdown to Noteworthy. They stated that the capital spend on cycling infrastructure was €111,000 from 2015 to date. “However, the Waterford Greenway which was officially opened in 2017 was the biggest infrastructural investment… at a total cost of €17 million”.

FOI Waterford Extract of FOI document provided to Noteworthy

Another issue with cycling funding is that budgets are often pooled together with walking infrastructure. For instance, “Budget 2020 provided for approximately €114 million to support walking and cycling related initiatives and infrastructure”, according to a spokesperson from the Department of Transport. They said that approximately €91 million of this was “split across NTA-led investment programmes supporting active travel”, with the other €23 million allocated to the Greenways Strategy.

“It goes without saying” that the government should be allocating more money to cycling infrastructure, according to the RSA’s communications manager, Brian Farrell. He added that “it really boils down to investment in infrastructure”.

It’s absolutely critical that you look at separating cyclists from the rest of the traffic.

While waiting for better infrastructure, he said that their job is “to identify where risk and dangers are on the roads and to educate people on behaviour”. He said it is critical “to educate drivers of their responsibility as regardless of who is at fault, the main cause of death and injury among cyclists is when a collision occurs”.

A recent RSA report on cyclist injury trends found that for over 90% of cyclist injuries another vehicle was involved in the collision, cars for 84% and goods vehicles for most of the remainder.

A cyclist can pay for a mistake with their lives, explained Farrell, but “if a driver makes a mistake, the worst they’ll have to do is maybe go to a garage”.

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While cyclists wait, Dublin Cycling Campaign’s Ryan is positive about the future. “Every new cycle route that has been complete, encourages more people to cycle. The more people that cycle, the greater the chances of creating more cycling infrastructure.”

For Callanan, Galway is a perfect city for bikes due to its size and she hopes more people will take up cycling. “When I go to town, it’s less than two kilometres from where I live. Cycling is a fast, cheap, independent way of going from A to B and a great way of getting exercise in the day without having to plan it”. However, she is still often shaken by experiences on her cycle home.

“We need segregated protected cycle paths, to be separate from other motor vehicles and to feel safe.”

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    Mute Pádraig Ó Raghaill
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    Jul 13th 2016, 8:00 AM

    Groundbreaking study? Are you kidding me, not so common, common sense.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 7:52 AM

    Let’s face it. Nobody at the top cares or listens. We have a government that never takes into consideration what people demand. They either nod there head or laugh. Then they get privately transported the other way to down an expensive bottle of wine.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 7:54 AM

    Not a surprise with the current state of this country the youth always get it in the neck in these situations

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    Jul 13th 2016, 2:07 PM

    Hickies or love bites as we use to call them? Sorry bad joke but the fact is everyone is getting it in the neck except banks, bankers, hedge funders, lobbyists and politicians.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 8:27 AM

    Leo Varadkar quoted only yesterday “Actually when you look at the statistics – I’m starting to become a bit of a statistics nerd in this Department – interestingly enough if you take the poorest 10pc in Irish society – the lowest decile – virtually none of those are pensioners.

    “They’re almost all people with disabilities, carers and those on lower incomes than pensioners.”

    Coupled with this? FG are positioning themselves to try to cut pensions, would be my guess.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 11:21 AM

    They will in their fu(k cut pensions. It makes sense socially but not as an electoral tactic. At the end of the day, that’s the basis on which decisions are made.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 7:59 AM

    Lazy entitled millennials should stop playing with their phones and do a bit of work and they will be fine.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 8:08 AM

    Or the educational system needs to be improved greatly so they can actually pick and choose their interests. From what I remember the leaving cert was nothing but a boring memory test. We are so far behind it’s no wonder kids are getting stupider. So little on offer yet plenty distractions.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 8:13 AM

    That’s what university is for or trades. High school is just the foundation to build. And there is (no) picking and choosing interests. Or are you totally oblivious of our brain drain due to no opportunities?

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    Jul 13th 2016, 8:31 AM

    Anyone who thinks we have a poor quality of life here in Ireland, by international standards, would seriously want to gain a bit of perspective.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 8:44 AM

    Why? If you take out third world options so you can at least compare apples to apples, then the quality of life here is quite low.

    Even the quality of life index highlights some interesting thoughts.

    1 Denmark
    2 Switzerland
    3 Australia
    4 New Zealand
    5 Germany
    6 Austria
    7 Netherlands
    8 Spain
    9 Finland
    10 United States
    11 Portugal
    12 Sweden
    13 United Kingdom
    14 Norway
    15 Canada
    16 Japan
    17 France
    18 Estonia
    19 Ireland

    Portugal, for instance, where my car insurance is 139 Euro over 1400 I am paying here and where a fantastic house costs me only 196k, and that is the Algarve. Even the roads are in exceptional condition, and the crossing is even smart. That is just a little face value, don’t even get me started on the most expensive countries where some subjectiveness can come into the equation.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 8:52 AM

    I never understand when people make that statement. The fact that there are worse dumps in the world doesn’t negate the feeling of uselessness and isolation that comes with being jobless/broke all the time.

    If you were paralysed from the waist down, would you just think “ah sure it could be worse, remember poor oul Christopher Reeves”?

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    Jul 13th 2016, 9:14 AM

    Here’s another up-to-date survey where Ireland ranks 6th out of 161:
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/nationalities-with-the-best-quality-of-life-2016-6

    Sure, anyone can wish they were better off in terms of life quality (and it could be argued that it’s human nature to always aspire for more), but as I said it’s all a matter of perspective. Like it or not we are part of the planet’s 5% most privileged.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 9:18 AM

    Using your logic Bigus, people will conversely always feel that they’re badly off as there will always be people doing better than them.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 9:37 AM

    So by your thinking Avina, as a country, we should not try and improve people’s quality of life as there is always people worse off. Instead of the undeniable huge gap in the quality of life in Ireland. In fact, if a developing country like Portugal has cities far more advanced in many aspects, better roads, cheaper insurance, food, et al. and is in the EU we should not be bothered by that.

    If the 95% bother you, then become a volunteer and help the poor in those countries otherwise, you are just paying lip service.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 9:53 AM

    So what you are saying is Ireland is inside the top 20 countries in the world to live. I’ll take that.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 10:01 AM

    Of course we should always try and improve peoples’ quality of life wherever possible Padraig – where did I suggest otherwise? My point is that we’re already doing pretty well for quality of life compared to the vast majority of the planet’s population.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 10:07 AM

    Totally irrelevant – apples to apples, as mentioned – tell that to the homeless here, the people losing houses – the unemployed – the business owners closing down – just one huge non-sequitur argument – MOOT

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    Jul 13th 2016, 10:57 AM

    Padraig, obviously quality of life indeces are averaged and some people are far worse off than others. You can’t just cherry-pick, say, homeless people and use that to try and make the point that our quality of life is far worse than that in another country, especially if you want to make an issue of comparing apples with apples.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 11:00 AM

    Did not just say homeless people – do wish you would use actual context Avina, but learning that is not how you like to play ball.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 11:57 AM

    If you read my comment I used homeless people as an example, but there’s no denying that you cherry-picked the most disadvantaged in our society to try and support your point. Ironic that you try and bring up context when you deliberately ignore the point that quality of life indeces are based on averages.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 2:38 PM

    So how is the broad demographic of people that lost and losing houses the “most disadvantaged of society” how is business owners closing/going broke from the market collapse the “most disadvantaged” how is the brain drain of people with third level education the “most disadvantaged” – Need I continue, Avina? Maybe I could highlight the escalating housing crisis, the inability to gain mortgages. The examples are widening, across demographics and yet you try “like the other night’ to shoehorn in a point that in fact, not a point at all but another loss in the debate.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 3:05 PM

    I’m not sure if you’ve quite grasped how averages work Padraig. If Ireland is such an awful place to live for so many people, how is in that it consistently ranks reasonably favourably in various quality of life surveys?
    Perhaps Oscar Wilde was right – “No-one in Ireland will be happy until everyone has more than everyone else”.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 3:22 PM

    So you are back to the poor usage of ad hominin verbosity – how nice – maybe the reason Ireland is so far down that list is due to the averages and falling, Avina. However, you seem to walk around in a circle in this debate.

    We will not in any short time see an equality across the population although it would be nice for people not to be battling the bread line.

    Or are you just oblivious to the quagmire that the biggest percentage of Irish families are in?

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    Jul 13th 2016, 3:26 PM

    As was the case the other night, you have caused me great boredom again, so I bid you good afternoon.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 4:04 PM

    No use of ad hominem verbosity there Padraig – just a legitimate questioning of you cherry-picking certain demographics (which of course exist – I’m not oblivious to that) to try and validate your argument, whilst ignoring anything else which serves to counter it.
    Unlike yourself, the various calculations used to create a quality of life index do not cherry-pick data but take an overview of a society as a whole, and as I said, Ireland consistently ranks reasonably favourably.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 9:28 AM

    Young people today have it to easy, dont know the meaning of hard times….when i were lad we used to get up 6 o clock in morning, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

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    Jul 13th 2016, 10:29 AM

    House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING!

    You were lucky to have a ROOM! *We* used to have to live in a corridor!

    Ohhhh we used to DREAM of livin’ in a corridor! Woulda’ been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House!? Hmph.

    Well when I say “house” it was only a hole in the ground covered by a piece of tarpolin, but it was a house to US.

    We were evicted from *our* hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake!

    You were lucky to have a LAKE! There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road.

    Cardboard box?

    Aye.

    You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o’clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

    Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o’clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

    Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o’clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

    Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o’clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing “Hallelujah.”

    But you try and tell the young people today that… and they won’t believe ya’.

    Nope, nope..

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    Jul 13th 2016, 11:17 AM

    Stewart Lee piece?

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    Jul 13th 2016, 2:43 PM

    Monty Python @ Shane -

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    Jul 14th 2016, 12:41 AM

    Some places were like that 30 years ago here… At least you weren’t making clothes or runners at 7 years old as they do now around the world?

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    Jul 13th 2016, 10:57 AM

    The next generation won’t thank us for the way we left the Country .GREED GREED GREED , property developers, bankers ,politicians (FF,FG,LAB) these people dragged this Country under and left it with nothing but a massive bill for our children and grandchildren. I have yet to see anyone in Jail it just seems the law differs for a lot of people . I remember my Son in College had a student loan out and I asked him had he paid it back because if he ever decided to return to Ire his credit would be no good so I made him pay it I look back on that now and wonder what about all these guys that went Bankrupt
    and owed millions a lot of these people are back in the game how do they credit ?

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    Jul 13th 2016, 8:47 AM

    Increased incidence of poor health is more prevalent in a group of over 70s than the in a group of under 30s. That certainly is groundbreaking.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 1:18 PM

    Look at society, the more the ones in charge pat themselves on their own backs the more society falls apart. I do wonder if a lack of a spiritual belief amongst each generation makes people feel there is no consequences to their actions as the judical and legal systems do not provide justice.
    People feel the T.D’s do not listen to them and some feel society is falling apart, society is turning into America each day as TV, Music and culture is American, the language is becoming Americanised. So Irish culture now is between the English and American, so is fashion, art and food. It is becoming a selfish culture where the self is more important, it is consumerism with mental overload, with the media as in news and newspapers take political and social agendas, so everything is put to tell people what to believe, what to do and how to think and believe. Ireland is drowning in hypocracy, E.U. rulings and laws, being swept with what others think and believe.
    On top of growing up in too much protection from their parents as well as being given what they want when they want it that when they leave the home nest they can’t cope with rejection then.
    Being told no as a child never happens and then they watch porn and youtube and play violent computer games which is as good as Neuro-Linguistic Programming. Saying nothing about the groups of people they hang out with which can influence what they believe and do then as can the media with crime and suicide with a promise of 15 minutes of fame taught by Big Brother and its ike?
    Society is on a path of self destruction because people rather blend in than have the confidence to say no to all this, they watch films and TV and get inspired by fiction as if it was real, they copy so called celebs and what they do and how they dress but to be a celeb these days all you have to be willing to do is show your big bum in a photo while having a few million dollars helps. People live more in fantasy these days than they have ever done and then they wonder why reality is so hard to cope with then, I could be wrong but that is how I see part of society, but no wonder parents these days uses the TV and multimedia like another parent and parents can’t cope in teaching no to a child because of the stress of society with its costs as children now seem to blackmail their parents now on so many levels?
    It also depends on where you live and on your social background?

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    Jul 13th 2016, 9:20 AM

    Poor snowflakes, they should compare themselves with those who grew up in the 50s, 60s and 70s.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 9:27 AM

    Is there an App for doing that?

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    Jul 13th 2016, 9:39 AM

    Well they probably couldn’t do it without one…….:-)

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    Jul 13th 2016, 2:08 PM

    They could afford to buy houses, we can’t.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 7:04 PM

    Who is responsible for that Tara? We all struggled to buy houses.

    The house price bubble was created by rampant greed by mainly younger people buying second houses and houses to let and borrowing way beyond their means.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 9:26 AM

    It’s a simple life rule that being satisfied with little rather than always aspiring to have what you don’t have is a surer path to hapiness. Material wellbeing is a state of mind as is quality of life.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 10:22 AM

    Something said by poor people to make them feel happier about their lives. Money, they say, does not buy happiness, however, it sure as hell buys the boat next door. I hear few people arguing because all their bills are paid.

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    Jul 13th 2016, 11:08 PM

    It’s actually true. But in these wealthy and material goods saturated times, people have lost all sense of what is actually enough to live well by. Our times are proof that wealth does not equal happiness, and I thought you’d have more sense than to equate ‘little’ with genuine poverty.

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