@ed w: explain

@ed w: what do you reckon their motivation is to keep a lockdown going unnecessarily? Honest question.

@Alan Bury: I read that too quickly Alan and thought you said libraries ha ha. They don’t sell pints there

@Alan Bury: we should have them now!!

@John Hazelnut: mild lockdown? This is a significant lockdown with significant consequences once they numbers drop.
Real jobs are being lost. Others will die because of lack of funding to our healthcare in future. We cannot borrow indefinitely .
Wait till the first round of pay cuts are suggested for public sector which won’t be long at the rate we are burning through borrowings. The private sector is haemorrhaging cash and jobs. The unemployment is going to be at unprecedented levels this time next year. And this virus is still going to be here . And then people are going to say why did we lockdown.
It’s not a mild lockdown.

@nivek: You have no idea what things will be like this time next year, none.

@nivek:

Finally, an optimist in the comments section.

@Louis Jacob: you can make a a bloody good guess.

@Vladimir Macro: Not really. This is completely unprecedented. They can make a prediction for the short term but they have no real clue how it will be in a year. You can be optimistic or pessimistic but a really you don’t have a clue.

@nivek: not a mild lockdown WHO say1 metre but our gov don’t agree we need 2?

@Mary Oliver: With the number at 2, most people are barely managing 1.

@Mary Oliver: so Mary, if we try an maintain a 1m distance, let’s say your in a queue at the supermarket checkout (1m apart) and the person infront of you takes a step backwards, they enter your 1m ‘bubble’ and you would need to step backwards, and a domino affect occurs.

So the logic in a 2m separation is to always ensure a 1m separation occurs.

In practical terms the 2m rule is correct in social settings.

@ed w: well done to gov. Hopefully a bit of normality to follow

@nivek: https://www.derryjournal.com/health/covid-19-put-death-certificatesof-symptomless-patients-mla-2862354

@Tony Gordon: are they going to be closer than 1m for more than 15 minutes? If not then it doesn’t matter as statistically you are unlikely to catch anything off them, thats why the rest of the world has moved away from the nonsense 2m (except us of course).

@John Hazelnut: Could tell someone who is living with someone with an anxiety disorder and a small child who wasn’t allowed to play with his friends since months what we are doing wrong? Doesn’t feel to mild here.

@nivek: pay cuts for doctors and nurses, as they are part of public sector?

@Sean Dermody: you’ve been posting that link all day Seán – what have reporting errors in the UK for to do with anything?

@Pseud O’Nym: *got not for

@Pseud O’Nym: I told you a million times not to exaggerate. That’s the first time I’ve posted that link.

@Louis Jacob: not where I live in the South east

@Tony Gordon: well 1 is what the WHO says surely they know

@8-Bit-Relic: or living a alone can’t see family or friends 10 weeks now

@Mary Oliver: I feel with you. I was today with my son in the park. My son complaints in recent weeks to feel lonely. He asked in the park if the playground is open again… he also asked when he will be allowed to meet friends… his tears in recent weeks are heart breaking.

He started now to sit most of the day to play computer… a perfectly active child is losing interest in most things as he wouldn’t be allowed to do it anyway.

So, I feel also for you. I hope that Leo and Simon will find some time to reflect on the effects of their ruleset and overthinking them and make us last until well… nobody knows…

@8-Bit-Relic: On a positive note your son being on the computer may learn to put a coherent sentence together.

@Lionheart1: go easy

@Alan Bury:
HSE a bit scary explain not liking this control :: all the private hospitals with vacent beds??? waiting for what?? not only that walking daily by my local HSE hospital and it is closed down WHY?? what the hell is that about 3 floors closed a great hospital closed down and left languishing away and all the people that need procedures, who is running this country in all of my life never seen the likes even people paying private insurance can’t get surgery this has to stop.
The media oh my goodness ??? can’t put on the telivison, radio and newspaper the amount of propangada that is coming out I feel I am living a communist country THIS HAS TO STOP what is the hidden agenda with this virous ??

@Lionheart1: Yes, emotions were cooking over. However, I doubt that youml would learn much of that kind playing Crossout.

@Stephen: well done more like a catalogue of mistakes. eg nutsings homes letting in rugby fans from the first hotspot in Europe. holohan was the man in charge during the cervical smear scandal let’s not look at there performance through rise tinted spectacles. living in a tourist are looks likelockdowns over garda just harassing the locals now.

@Dell: you couldn’t have said it any better

@Oliver Walker: You need to get out more.

@Dell: the irony of someone whining about government control and social injustice yet has a hammer and sickle on a red star as his profile picture

@Oliver Walker: I’d say that day is a long way away but, we can certainly dream.

@Vladimir Macro: wow your very condescending

@Oliver Walker: “walk past someone in a shop without immediately wondering if you are passing on or contracting the virus”

This is the most dangerous and divisive psychological manipulation the western world has seen

Ask yourself why many european countries are doing it differently. (1 metre rule)

Why we are now, not taking WHO advise.

Why our Taoiseach will not explain to the people the reason behind the decision to keep it at 2 metres.

@Vladimir Macro: it’s probably kept at 2m because of people like you that think that the whole thing is a scam.

@Cliff Burnby: Can you elaborate on what the distance would have to do with that point?

@Cliff Burnby: solid logic that

@8-Bit-Relic: It’s ironic that those calling for a relaxing of lockdown measures could well be the ones responsible for prolonging the exit for all of us.

@Cliff Burnby: That is likely the case but the difference between 1 and 2m in that context is beyond me.

The theses was that the advise of experts of the WHO are followed but thise experts say now 1m but Leo doesn’t follow their advise anymore.

That’s odd but that doesn’t explain your statement that a 2m rule would be in place because of people who believe in a scam. Wouldn’t 1m be sufficient as per WHO guidelines?

@The Shape: indeed, for many the virus is more important than further risk evaluations from different parties.

I feel sorry for the lost lives and hope that they won’t be blindly exploited in either way

@8-Bit-Relic: good point.

@peter crew: They also said phases could be brought forward if the virus is under control.

@Paul Messitt: https://www.derryjournal.com/health/covid-19-put-death-certificatesof-symptomless-patients-mla-2862354

@peter crew: the longest in europe

@Paul Messitt: Yes. Phases can be moved forward and absolutely should be moved forward. It’s only clowns and dole scroungers that don’t have a brain that won’t realise we are a solid 2 months behind the rest of Europe in opening the economy. And trust me that is very very bad.

@Séadna O’Grádaigh: In fact, according to top European economists, Ireland are a massive outlier in Europe in opening up. Doesn’t take much of a brain to realise that to be fair

@Paul Messitt: I have been at work since it started, maybe trust the experts, the map laid out is only a guideline,it’s not set in stone, if things can open sooner they will.

@Daniel Roche: The map outlined was only put together by recommendation of virulogists. Other kind of experts and potential side effects on society, minorities or the public in general weren’t considered or at least not addressed which may be a reason for the opposition getting after all these weeks louder.

@8-Bit-Relic: For me it’s simply the fact that European countries are almost in full operation again, restaurants, pubs, public transport, you name it nearly every country has it opened again, albeit with strict social distancing measures. I’ve even seen a dance event being held in Germany at the weekend with a DJ playing, not that I agree with that particular event but it cries something strong, Ireland are extremely slow and completely ignoring the economy. LEO is acting like we have a different virus to the rest of the world. We are due to have small businesses open 8 weeks after most European countries have opened similar. Pubs 12 weeks after Europe, restaraunts 8 weeks after Europe. Construction never closed in most of Europe bar Spain/France/Italy so we are 7 weeks behind there too

@Séadna O’Grádaigh: I agree with you these kind of items aren’t brought to the table by Leo and Simon. I live in a town and you can’t do much in 5km with everything closed myself.

Personally, I’m not an expert for anything lockdown related beside my own family but if other parents have children who aren’t allowed to play with friends because they are to young for social distancing which are saying since week that they are lonely, starting to play computer or watch the telly in hours long sessions because the parents work or do stuff… and if they then cry in the park when they hear that the playground doesn’t open anytime soon, parents can’t keep a promise to go do something ALONE IN THE NATURE because it’s a 15 km away….

That’s just my personal perception of today….

On a bigger picture I understand that there have to be restrictions but as Leo and Simon don’t want to evaluate on that and have this rude Dr
Holohan belittling our fears they aren’t suitable for the task. Maybe someone else from FFG but not them…

But that’s just me getting emotional.

@Reuben Gray: no restrictions in many countries. Any idea why cases are falling there too

@Vladimir Macro: it peaked in Europe in March and is disappearing in every country with or without social distancing, irrespective of whether schools are open or closed. We can fast track the reopening. It was only ever like a flu and retrospective examination of total death figures will show that.

@barry moore: How do you come to that figure? Even the government and there experts on the virus can’t say for sure the date

@Con O’Hannrachàin: get rid of the social distance rubbish for a start

@Jamie: best statement of the day cheers

@8-Bit-Relic: its in the governments road map for reopen. Move along troll

@barry moore: oh, you may not have understood that the dates on the roadmap are only suggested dates. Leo has made it clear at its introduction that the dates can be moved either way and we could also move back to previous stages if needed.

Please be precise if you are trying to be smart.

@8-Bit-Relic: yawn. I gave you the information you were missing. Move along

@8-Bit-Relic: you failed. Haha

@Jamie: no

@barry moore: what’s the difference between now and August.. virus will still be around

@John kavanagh: 13 weeks is the difference. And going by current trends it will be less active in the community.

@barry moore: You misunderstood the document but deflection suits you.

@8-Bit-Relic: you miss understand trolling. Very poor attempt. Your score 0.0000001 out of 10 better look next time.

@barry moore: You seem to teach us all a lesson here.

But while you are a virologist which other factors beside the current trend we have now in May have you used to predict the numbers for August? You colleagues don’t seem gifted enough to say for sure what happens in August.

Take your time, it’s a new virus and I’m not a scientist.

@8-Bit-Relic: You asked where I got the August date. I told you where. The trends are plain to be seen. Just look back over the numbers for the last few weeks. The numbers of cases may continue to fall or rise. Even the dog on the street knows that. Hence why the government put in place the plan to reopen. August 10th was given as the proposed date to open pubs. They could possibly open sooner but it depends on how well the virus is controlled. There is also the risk the opening day could be moved out further that Aug 10th. Pubs will be the last to reopen as they bring the most risk. Due to people getting drunk.

@barry moore: Now, you have at least stated it almost as it was presented.

However, nobody involved in the study of the virus made the statement that the virus will be for sure that the trend will continue until August. The dates were put out as a rough orientation. The virus is new and we have no data how we will behave nor what a future mutation could have in stock for us. It is actually speculated by the expert that there will be a second wave.

These are some of the reasons mentioned by virulogists why a prediction can’t be presented as something put in stone. I hope that you see the difference in those views.

@barry moore: oh, and don’t get me wrong, mass gatherings and pubs should be pretty much at the end of any list.

@8-Bit-Relic:but will the dates be changed I doubt it

@Mary Oliver: That was at least confirmed on several occasions.

@Anthony Whelan: They want to keep us in fear. They’ve stopped telling us the median age, they never say how many have recovered. As of last Friday there were a total of 1804 cases in the entire country. Makes no sense, it’s insane..

@Sean Dermody: correct. Median age was 82 at last publishing. 80 people die in Ireland every day on average. It’s well documented that Covid-19 is being put on the death certificate at every possibility, irrespective of cause of death.

@Shane Fleming: my turn! OPEN UP THE COUNTRY!!!!

@The Shape: Actually Mark Brown beat ya both to it!!

@Colette Kearns: damn! Maybe tomorrow!

@Shane Fleming:

If pubs open before gyms do then that is a joke.

@The Shape: its open

@John R: NPHET figures

@Lorraine Mac Rory: because they have convinced half the country that they are going to die of covid when it is clearly not the case.

@Syl Farrell: nobody has said anything about half the country dying. Everybody knows that it is primarily the elderly or compromised that are vulnerable. The point of the lockdown was to not overwhelm the health system. It really isn’t that complicated.

@Syl Farrell: Because it’s a hyped up fake narrative being played out by fundamentally stupid narcassists at the wheel. There is so much they’re not telling us. It’s disgusting and insane..