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Master of the High Court 'Restructuring SMEs through examinership is needed in these tough times'

Master of the High Court, Edmund Honohan says SMEs always bear the brunt of recession, and this time things need to change.

IT’S A FAIR bet that banks will be watching our current caretaker Government proposing legislation to support Ireland’s struggling small businesses – with below-market-interest-rates from financial institutions – and could decide, on that basis, to hold off on normal lending for now.

That’s displacement. Also, delay.

It’s also safe to assume that most small and medium enterprises (SMEs) are already technically insolvent after the events of the past few months, with all the legal consequences that will bring for company directors. Yet, ministers are already making comments about enabling lending only to ‘viable’ businesses.

This is just one aspect of the proposal to extend bank credit that should be of concern. What constitutes a ‘viable’ business in this unprecedented climate? If the lending is to be at the say-so of the banks, will they assess applications with any enthusiasm or interest? Remember, they already have “skin in the game”.

I believe Examinership as a means of restructure of small businesses isn’t being considered enough in Ireland. Unfortunately, I can’t see banks recommending an examiner-led restructure which would include debt write-off, even where that is clearly the SME’s best post-Covid move.

The problem with modern banking

If you thought predictive grading for the Leaving Cert was going to be difficult, wait until you unravel this business challenge. How you forecast the viability of a business is complex and takes a much longer timeframe. The difficulty in 2020 is that modern banking structures do not allow for much patience or imagination.

Remember that the Empire State Building was started in the Great Depression and did not turn a profit for 20 years. The lesson? Think long-term. The old-style local bank manager worked across their local communities. They knew the value of patience.

The old-style bank manager has since been replaced by an algorithm which is ill-suited to assessing post-Covid conditions. Banks will struggle to get a handle on, for example, the “greening” of consumer demand, on the growth of the staycation with warmer summers, on the new dynamics of socially-distanced high street footfall.

Banks will also play catch-up on the shift to localised business because of the increase in remote working. Factor in too a possible change in our diet, the price of diesel, or the cost of public liability insurance. There will be swift changes in payroll taxes in five years, changes to the interest rate, even. It’s impossible to predict. Nobody has the crystal ball here.

There is some encouraging light, though. Credit Unions, take note: the EU Commission has given until 30 June to register interest in tapping into EU-facilitated funding for SMEs. Check out the COSME programme (Loan Guarantee Facility) and ESCALAR.

There’s no need to wait for the Dáil to legislate, and no reason why Irish SMEs cannot look abroad and past our domestic banks.

Examinership

Examinership is a process through which a struggling company, unable to pay its debts, can seek the High Court’s temporary protection from creditors. It’s meant to help save potentially viable businesses from going to the wall during difficult times and could be a useful lifeline for many small companies in the post-pandemic period.

But Ireland’s examinership structures are well overdue for an update. Instead of additional working capital facilities, an Examinership restructures will usually shrink the business’ fixed overheads by ‘bailing in’ the creditors. Significant, too, in my view, that, unlike the UK’s 1986 Act on which it was modelled, the preconditions for appointment were not spelt out in the Irish act in so many words. 

Helpfully, the EU has been thinking about examinership. Directive (EU) 2019/1023 on “preventive restructuring frameworks, insolvency and discharge of debt” requires the Irish Government to transpose the provisions of the Directive into Irish Law by this time next year. The aim is a company restructure which ringfences the core business and gives the entrepreneur a second chance to achieve viability.

It’s timely.

The courts

Although the case for the appointment of an examiner is always based on a professional opinion, it is still only one person’s opinion. Sometimes in support of a fait accompli. It’s rarely subject to judicial granular inquiry. We could use the opportunity presented to us by the Examinership Directive to be creative both in regard to the bureaucracy of the rescue step and with new working definitions of “viability” and “insolvency”.

“Viability” could be forward-looking, realisable in the medium term, with staged yardsticks for job creation front and centre, and rural decline reversed with community spin-offs.

Qualification for public funding should have a matrix of societal factors with predetermined ranking. This is not rocket science: we do this sort of exercise for all public procurement tendering.

“Solvency” could be a dynamic measure based on re-ordering and perhaps bailing in different creditor classes. A rollover for the revenue and secured creditors. Early and prompt discharge of trade debts. Government grant aid, or equity buy-in, treated as non-preferential “white knight” investment?

In the Dáil recently, Michéal Martin, noting that smaller Irish-owned firms and early-stage firms face “having to take on debt that may undermine their viability”, then went on to say that “the core economic principle in this crisis has been to try to see the debt incurred during the response as separate from normal debt.” He may have just hit the nail on the head!

The ledgers of private enterprise are also now recording abnormal debt because of the shutdown. It should be treated, in assessing applications for finance, as abnormal.

SMEs will suffer unfairly

A former Secretary Gen of the Department of Finance, John Moran, was quoted in last Sunday’s paper, as chairman of SME Recovery Ireland, suggesting “measures like a better examinership process so if businesses are fighting with their landlord or bank they have the ability to do it.”

It is the sad reality that, in a downturn, the SMEs are liable to be steamrolled one by one, almost thoughtlessly, while the quoted PLCs can find a way through.

The UK Government has now announced “Project Birch” to save “strategically important companies” with state equity injections; “bespoke bailouts of viable companies which have exhausted all options and whose failures would disproportionately harm the economy”, according to the Financial Times 24 May.

We need to grasp the fact that what is “strategically important” for Ireland is that the mom and dad indigenous businesses, especially out of Dublin, should be able to access “bespoke bailouts” to preserve our society.

Restructure through examinership is clearly one way to avoid “disproportionate harm” here.

Edmund Honohan is Master of the High Court.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:22 PM

    Forced to? Do it because you know it’s the correct thing to do not because it’s politically a good move – like expelling the Russian diplomat over an unproven violation but not taking action against Saudi Arabia after admission of guilt?

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:25 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: forced to as in “our hand may be forced by the inaction of others”, not forced as in external powers will tell us to.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:28 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: very good points but at the same time, massive respect to Vradaker, whom I would never vote for, but respect and credit where it is due.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 9:12 PM

    @Paddington C.: Still the correct thing to do

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    Nov 17th 2018, 11:13 PM

    @Art OL:
    My god
    You’re all a pathetic bunch of Hamas apologists
    Same old same old
    Israel is the Devil
    Jesus wept
    When the IRA protected the people of the Bogside
    Where were you
    Tut tutting in the comfort of your middle class homes
    Double standards prevail
    Dark skin over there and far away
    Easy to be outraged
    Twots

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    Nov 18th 2018, 12:18 AM

    @Peter McGlynn: why would they recognise a “country “ that doesn’t exist?

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    Nov 18th 2018, 8:59 AM

    @Seamus Murphy: The troll is back I see.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 12:45 PM

    @Brendan Barry: definition of a troll. Anyone who doesn’t totally agree with everything you think.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:25 PM

    Why is it not the right time to recognise Palestine? Why haven’t we done so before? Who else has to wait to be recognised as humans?

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:27 PM

    @Joe Phillips: I’d imagine its about border lines.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:43 PM

    @Clifford Brennan: You’d imagine wrong then. It’s about Israel being war-criminal savages in broad daylight and getting away with it because America.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:51 PM

    @Joe Phillips: No, I’d imagine right. Tell me where the borders of your newly recognised Palestine will be Joe?

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:06 PM

    @Clifford Brennan: I’m sure internationally recognised green line border will be fine i.e. Israel giving up its illegally occupied territories.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:19 PM

    @The Risen: I’m sure you’re sure. Others disagree. Thats why i mentioned the border issue to Joe.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:21 PM

    @Clifford Brennan: Others i.e. the country that stole the land

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:25 PM

    @The Risen: Again, others disagree with your terminology and interpretation.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:25 PM

    @The Risen: Most Palestinians also refuse to recognise the green line as a border, too. Having said that, I don’t see how both Israel and Palestine can not be recognised as two states with a border dispute.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:35 PM

    @Brian Ó Dálaigh: Even Hamas are ready to recognise the 1967 border as the basis for a Palestinian state. It’s just a matter of the international community showing unity. A Sanders presidency could have changed everything.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:39 PM

    @The Risen: Hamas said that recently. The PLO/PA have said that for a while. But, the majority of actual Palestinians don’t recognise the Green Line (it’s an armistice and ceasefire line, not a border, by the way, and includes various stretches of terra nullius which means the Green Line could only ever be a rough guide for a border).

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:40 PM

    @The Risen: Thats good of them to recognise a Palestinian state. The small matter of recognising Israel might prove a bit more problematic.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 5:19 PM

    @Joe Phillips: the savages are the ones who spend aid money on tunnel building and rockets while their people live in misery.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 5:50 PM

    @Paul Whitehead: Why are their people living in misery, Paul? It wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the IDF have basically turned their home into a big concentration camp, would it? Is that the misery you’re referring to? Would you not want to able to tell your kids and grandkids that you tried to resist that with whatever you could get your hands on? Hamas are no angels for other reasons but they’re literally the Palestinians’ only line of defence

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    Nov 17th 2018, 5:56 PM

    @The Risen: the issue is also the right of return. The PA want a Palistinian state and a right of return of Palistinians to Israel. Meaning you would have a Palistinian state on the one hand and a Palistinian majority Israeli state on the other.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 6:46 PM

    @Brian Ó Dálaigh: What exactly qualifies you to speak for ‘actual Palestinians.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 7:33 PM

    @Clifford Brennan: most Arab & muslim states don’t recognise Israel eg Malaysia doesn’t and their passports aren’t officially good for travel into Israel

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    Nov 17th 2018, 9:00 PM

    @Clifford Brennan:

    The borders as they were in 67, stated in UN resolutions. Any and all land the Israeli government stole after that point was illegal, again as has been stated by numerous UN commissions & resolutions. Seems like a good place to start.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 12:24 AM

    @Joe Phillips: you’d have to ask their leaders that question. The funny thing is , living in their palatial homes and siphoning off international aid they wouldn’t have a clue about being poor. They don’t care about the ordinary people they rule over. They’re just pawns in a game to them

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    Nov 18th 2018, 4:54 AM

    @Seamus Murphy: you could literally be talking about anyone there but who is this now? Hamas?

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    Nov 18th 2018, 4:55 AM

    I’m too drunk for this

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    Nov 18th 2018, 12:47 PM

    @Joe Phillips: I did wonder.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 1:33 PM

    @Joe Phillips: After 70 years it must be obvious to everyone that Israel doesn’t want peace. ‘So called’ negotiations are method Israel uses to take more and more of the cake while pretending to talk about a settlement. Time to recognise Palestine and then help them protect it from Political Zionism.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:11 PM

    What about yemen
    If Palestinians can fire hundreds of rockets over the border they ain’t so poor after all
    The real victims aren’t even getting noticed because of biased media reporting in Irish press for pro Palestine

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:44 PM

    @James Grant: You’re an idiot

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:17 PM

    @James Grant: Jordan is Arab Palestine and Israel is Jewish Palestine, we already have the two state solution since 1948.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 5:08 PM

    @Joe Phillips: you must be looking in a mirror

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    Nov 18th 2018, 12:26 AM

    @Joe Phillips: strange how anyone who doesn’t agree with everything you say is an idiot.

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    Nov 20th 2018, 2:58 PM

    @James Grant: James, why are you trying to pretend you care about Yemen? All you do is apologise for Israel.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:05 PM

    Who cares,just another way to waste money.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:17 PM

    @Peter Kiernan: loads of people care. People are dying. That’s one of the things we as a species care most about.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:00 PM

    @Paddington C.: don’t waste your time, it’s a fake account

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:46 PM

    We have enough to deal with here in Éire. What are we concerning ourselves with the West’s favourite whinge group, Arabs aka the Palestinians? The media here is never balanced when it comes to these Arabs aka the Palestinians. I am all on for freeing Gazans. Freeing them from the terror grip of Hamas. All politicians here need to remember that there are NO votes in this Palestine many go on about.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 4:56 PM

    @Declan Carroll: Hamas we’re elected by the people of Gaza get your facts right

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    Nov 17th 2018, 6:13 PM

    @Chris Reidy: – many need ti get their facts right re Hamas. They are no democratic organisation & were elections that free? Doubt it. They are holding the place in a grip of terror & anyone there who dares airy an opinion against them are murdered. You get your facts right & don’t be so naïve.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 6:17 PM
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    Nov 17th 2018, 7:15 PM

    @Declan Carroll: We care because of the mass murder of thousands of unarmed Palestinians by IDF terrorists.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 7:16 PM

    @Declan Carroll: Most of the murder in Gaza is perpetrated by Israel.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 9:16 PM

    @Seán Marlow: so is a little bit of murder ok?

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    Nov 17th 2018, 9:17 PM

    @Declan Carroll: That election was watched extremely closely by the international community and was considered a free and fair election.
    A few days later the Israeli government bombarded Gaza for weeks afterwords for, and I’m going to use the Israeli governments own words here, “for voting the wrong way”. The bombardment of Gaza was also watched closely by the international community, I’m sure you remember.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 9:40 PM

    @Chris Reidy: there has not been an election there for about 15 years!

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    Nov 17th 2018, 9:43 PM

    @Gazza Lazza: when was the last election in gaza!!!! When..what year!

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    Nov 18th 2018, 12:28 AM

    @Chris Reidy: indeed they were. In 2005 for a four year term. Still there though.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 1:42 PM

    @victor feldman: I’d say it’s difficult to hold elections in an open air prison under constant bombardment from Israel.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:18 PM

    Only the Palestinian side will attend….Really a Palestinian summit on the conflict…..

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:25 PM

    @iComment: The cynic in me thinks this is a way of courting votes to get on the security council. Mentioning influencers, without Israeli participation, is sadly laughable.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:03 PM

    @iComment: I wonder will they be discussing how to spend aid money on rockets? Or how to con idiots into giving more, so they can fire more.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:25 PM

    Now i was wondering why our garda where having a mock terrorist attack exercise….and its not the Palestinians Im concerned about..

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:25 PM

    Without Israel’s participation in this summit it’ll end up being nothing more than a talking shop and therefore another waste of time, energy and money. Everybody knows this but Hamas and the Palestinian Authority will, no doubt, attend in the hope of getting another donation from our gullible leaders.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 5:24 PM

    @Tom Milligan: more money for high living in Paris, and for rockets at home. And fools still swallow the rhetoric.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:50 PM

    A two-state solution is not realistic now and probably never has been. The existing state of Israel needs to be forced to give full equal rights, freedoms and citizenship to the palestinian arab minority it treats as prisoners

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:43 PM

    @Wastrel: Absolutely… but who’s going to make them?

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:54 PM

    @Joe Phillips: Nobody, that’s who.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 5:38 PM

    @Wastrel: a one state solution is not a viable alternative. It would be unstable and would likely result in a protracted civil war – like in Lebanon.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 9:20 PM

    @Joe Phillips: If they wait much longer there will be no border lines (except maybe Gaza). Soon Israel will occupy all the West Bank

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    Nov 18th 2018, 12:30 AM

    @Wastrel: Palestinians living in Israel have full citizenship and full rights.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 1:11 AM

    @Seamus Murphy: a palestinian living in Gaza is a subject of Israel, they just happen to live under a government that treats them as an enemy. If Gaza and other regions where palestinians are interned were independent, they would have control of their own borders.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 12:49 PM

    @Wastrel: check again. Israel’s only involvement in Gaza for well over a decade now has been protecting its citizens from terrorist attacks by Hamas operatives based there.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 6:48 PM

    @Seamus Murphy: bull$hit. Israel has killed many more innocent Palestinian civilians.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 1:53 PM

    there wouldn’t have been a peace process in the north if nationalists or unionists were left out or how could there have been an end to war in Bosnia by leaving the Serbs out. I think this is a political stunt if it doesn’t involve the Israelis. .get them all sat down together &talking to one another like Clinton did years before

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:22 PM

    @Dean Anderson: Sadly the most vocal on this issue dread a solution and wish for the extermination of Israel.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:23 PM

    @Dean Anderson: Most of the so-called Palestinian supporters here don’t actually want peace in Israel and Palestine as they wouldn’t be able to vent their hatred of Israeli Jews anymore. That’s why they want Israelis silenced even at peace conferences. More Kurds have died at the hands of Turkey in the last 40 years than Palestinians at the hands of Israel in 70 years and Kurds are treated worse than Palestinians, yet they couldn’t care about the Kurds. The likes of the IPSC are some of the most racist and vitriolic people I’ve ever encountered.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:52 PM

    @Dean Anderson: Sadly the most vocal on this issue dread a solution as it will mean peace.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 4:59 PM

    @Thomas Molloy: exterminate is to good for the war crimes isreal has got away with

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    Nov 17th 2018, 7:24 PM

    @Thomas Molloy: Israel is already exterminating Palestine and thousands of Palestinian children, men and women.

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    Nov 19th 2018, 1:02 PM

    @Thomas Molloy: Sadly it’s the other way round, and the body count proves it.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 5:10 PM

    Ireland loves inviting hamas terrorists here to our country but not in my name

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:16 PM

    This is a courageous step by a courageous Tanaiste. While the language is reticent, the underlying moral principles are commendable.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 2:45 PM

    @Dinny Harkin: can’t stand FG or Simon Coveney but have to agree with ya there

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    Mute Joe Burns
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    Nov 17th 2018, 8:06 PM

    @Dinny Harkin: since when is supporting a terrorist dictator who is in year 13 of a 4 year term, who pays Arab Jihadis to slaughter Jews and has stolen billions from his own people “commendable”?

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    Mute Stipe Miocic
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    Nov 17th 2018, 4:37 PM

    Freedom for Palistine

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    Mute Joe Burns
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    Nov 17th 2018, 8:02 PM

    What’s a “Palestinian”? I can’t find anything in history books before Egyptian Terrorist Yasir Arafat invented this mythical country of Palestine in 1964.

    There is no letter P in Arabic, the origin of the word Palestine is a name given by the Romans when they renamed Israel to Syria/Palestina. The name Palestine is a corruption of the word Philistine, which in Hebrew means Invader.

    So you say Coveney intends to hold a summit on a country invented by an Egyptian terrorist, for a country that has never existed in all of History?

    This government needs to go. They gave €8 million to a dictator named President-for-life Mahmoud Abbas, who is in year 13 of a 4 year term, to kill Jews.

    You couldn’t make it up.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 1:15 AM

    @Joe Burns: so you’re saying that, allowing for a few mutations in spelling over the centuries, the region has been known by the name of Palestine since at least the time of the Roman empire and the writing of the hebrew bible.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 1:43 PM

    @Wastrel: the Region has only been called Palestine during the British Mandate, the Ottomans never had a region by that name.

    77% of the Region was given to Arabs to create the Palestinian State of Jordan, Jews were given land they already owned along with Public Land that was uninhabitable, 80% of which was desert.

    The mythical country of Palestine wasn’t invented until 1964 by an Egyptian terrorist named Yasir Arafat who held up a Jordanian flag with the star removed, and so began 3,000 years of “Palestinian” history.

    Name ONE leader of Palestine before Egyptian terrorist Yasir Arafat?

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    Nov 17th 2018, 6:38 PM

    The Palestinians fired a few hundred rockets into Israel last week. The only fatality was a palastinian worker in Israel!!

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    Nov 17th 2018, 11:43 PM

    The state of Israel was brought into existence by a vote of the United Nations and was a two sate solution. If the Arab world had decided to accept this instead of invading the new state then we may have a different world today. The Arab Israelis have the same living standards and rights as their Jewish countrymen.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 1:45 PM

    @Martin Doyle: the Palestinian State of Jordan was created in 1947 with 77% of the Land of the British Mandate.

    Jordan IS Palestine.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 1:48 PM

    @Martin Doyle: No they don’t or did you miss the bit where the Knesset passed legislation declaring Israel for Jews and Hebrew as the first language. That puts all others in the second, third and fourth class citizen categories. Israel is officially an Apartheid Theocracy.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 5:31 PM

    Ireland recognising a Palistinian state would have no material effect on the ground whatsoever. The only chance for a resolution to the conflict is via a mutually agreed peace deal likely with significant external pressure put on BOTH sides to get to that point.

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    Nov 18th 2018, 1:36 PM

    No they don’t. Did you miss the Jewish Nation State legislation recently? There are streets in Hebron only for Jews. Illegal settlements on stolen Palestinian lands. Unarmed protesters and medics shot deliberately at The Great Return march. Schools knocked down, houses knocked down, the majority of cancer patients in Gaza have no treatment. It goes on and on. Much worse now than it was on South Africa.

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    Nov 19th 2018, 1:29 PM

    @Siobhan Mc Carthy: the Palestinian people in the ‘ west bank ‘ are treated no better than slaves, by the settlers, but they have no choice, forced, to keep food on the table.read J NJeffries book on who was involved world wide in the farce called the Balfour Agreement. Zionists tried thier all to ban it.

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    Nov 17th 2018, 3:18 PM
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