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Minister for Social Protection Regina Doherty. Photocall Ireland

Advice against older grandparents caring for children 'unchanged' as workers return under Phase Two

Childcare facilities are not scheduled to reopen until 29 June.

THE MINISTER FOR Social Protection has said the advice that grandparents remove themselves from any childcare duties has not change despite the return of many retail outlets today. 

As part of Phase 2 of the government’s roadmap, most stores that have been closed since the end of March are now permitted to reopen.

This has led to concerns about retail workers with children because childcare facilities are not scheduled to reopen until 29 June.

Speaking over the weekend, Health Minister Simon Harris suggested that people will be relying on family and friends in the interim to give a such parents “a dig out”.

Asked about childcare on RTÉ’s Today with Sarah McInerney, Social Protection Minister Regina Doherty said it is not advised that such be provided by older grandparents. 

“I think the situation with regards to grandparents particularly I suppose depends on their age,” the minister said. 

In this country we have a long-standing arrangement of grannies and granddads looking after children or collecting them from school and it works effectively well. But a lot of those grandparents now are over the age where we have suggested to them that they should remove themselves from those kind of activities over the last couple of months and I don’t think that advice has changed.

Doherty said that “the State will continue to support” people who can’t return to work but added that she could not provide a guarantee that supports would continue until the point that older grandparents could care for children again. 

“I probably don’t have an answer to that insofar is that the scheme, the PUP scheme has been extended to Phase Five, which is currently the 10 August, the wage subsidy scheme will go a little bit longer,” Doherty said.

“I think the question to the answer you’re asking me would only be able to be answered if there was a vaccine to the virus. And I don’t expect that before 10 August.”

New normal

Doherty conceded that the current plan is “not perfect” and she said that that reopening the country was always going to be more difficult than introducing restrictions.

“I think obviously 29 June when our creches and all of our informal arrangements around childcare can restart again that will make a massive difference. But just to reassure people that if they can’t go back to work or don’t have arrangements that some couples would have had over the last 12 weeks, that the department will be still here to support them,” she said. 

Speaking on the same programme however, employment law solicitor Richard Grogan said that questions remain about whether an employee can be sure their job will remain if they cannot return to work due to childcare issues. 

Grogan said an employee’s rights are “very limited” in such instances: 

You’ve no right to continue to be paid because the employer has said ‘we’ve opened the workplace’. So you’re now effectively going into an unemployed payment situation because you’re no longer being laid off because you’re employer is saying you’re not laid off any longer. So you’re probably alright, if I can put it that way, until the 10 August but come 10 August when everything is back employers are going to be saying ‘you’re either coming back or you’re not coming back’. 

Sinn Féin has also criticised the government’s efforts on childcare with party leader Mary Lou McDonald TD stating that many workers will be forced to take leave because of their inability to organise childcare. 

“Parents are understandably anxious that the government are failing to provide childcare yet again, leaving many more families abruptly left in the lurch where they should be entitled to proper State support,” McDonald said. 

“We urgently need a scheme which meets the real needs of parents and properly engages with childcare providers across the sector to ensure plans are clear and viable. Parents and childcare workers deserve this clarity as a matter of urgency.” 

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    Mute Martin Woods
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    Jun 8th 2020, 12:27 PM

    If kids pose no threat what’s the problem?

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    Mute Sorcha Ní Shúilleabháin
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    Jun 8th 2020, 11:36 PM

    @Martin Woods: Where did you hear kids pose NO threat?

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    Jun 8th 2020, 12:30 PM

    Can we get rid of her yet? smh she was fired by the people.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 7:15 PM

    @Atreyu.: She’ll slip nicely into the Seanad under Leo’s nomination when the tomfoolery is over and they form a Government.regina wants to stay revelant and in the limelight until the next election.Which could be soon.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 7:19 PM

    @Atreyu.: OK. Point taken. But to be fair, it should be said that she is a good person, good TD and was a good minister. She just got trapped in a constituency which FG reconfigured in order to max out on the FF election crash post Bertie/Biffo. It just couldn’t support two FG ministers in February as voter equilibrium began to swing back to Bertie’s babes!

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    Jun 8th 2020, 7:52 PM

    @Virus-free Turkey: well said fg bot. How much to u get payed

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    Jun 8th 2020, 7:57 PM

    @Damian Mac An Bháird: 40c per letter (including spaces). Great craic altogether.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 11:50 PM

    @Damian Mac An Bháird: *paid

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    Mute Jennifer Kelly
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    Jun 8th 2020, 12:27 PM

    They still making kids out to be bad guys.. no proof that kids carriers everyone is a spreader if they have it.. opening everywhere.. but grandparents cant have the kids.. doesnt add up

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    Mute sjr
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    Jun 8th 2020, 2:19 PM

    @Jennifer Kelly: if grandparents are supposed to be cocooning well it’s logical that they cannot mind children.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 2:44 PM

    @sjr: childern dont pose a threat.. cocooning isnt right either my parents like most in their 70s fit and healthy.. crowds can meet, pubs open,strangers all mixing.. but grandparents cant see their grandchildern the childern that havent been in shops, playing with their friends and have been kept in through this.. it doesnt make sense

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    Jun 8th 2020, 3:44 PM

    @Jennifer Kelly: its only advice for older people, if grandparents are fit and healthy they can choose a level they are comfirtable with. My 88 year old mam decided she was going to start doing her own shopping again and socially distanced too and that she wanted to meet her new great grand child.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 1:33 PM

    How are people with kids meant to go back to work with NO childcare available? And grand parents arent advised to help mind the kids, surely they should have sorted out the schools and creches first?
    The countries that opened their childcare services, any huge jump in cases, no, but our Gov think we can magic up childcare out of the air.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 2:21 PM

    @Sam Greene: how will that work with social distancing?. Even them that open are having to take a lot fewer kids. This is going to be a big issue for parents.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 5:02 PM

    @sjr: yep, and like the care homes, it’ll be sink or swim. Your on ur own.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 12:40 PM

    Yawn, is the government still making noise about advice on what to do re the virus that wasn’t serious enough to stop thousands of people having mass gatherings around the country? If the government are not taking it seriously why should the rest of the public bother?

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    Mute Eileen O'Sullivan
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    Jun 8th 2020, 12:17 PM

    Same old same old.
    ‘Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.’ applicable to voters and politicians.

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    Mute James Hayes
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    Jun 8th 2020, 1:24 PM

    Right so, go back to work and let your kids at home unattended as creche are still closed and grandparents are off line. Such great leadership.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 2:13 PM

    Why is She still been Paid ??

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    Jun 8th 2020, 2:44 PM

    Veradker, Elected on the 5th count.
    Martin, Elected on the 6th count.
    And think they have a mandate.
    The most first preference votes went to Sinn Féin candidates.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 5:46 PM

    @Dave Nomates: So why the fook havent SF formed a government and put the two boys on the opposition benches by now!

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    Jun 8th 2020, 7:21 PM

    @NotMyIreland: They haven’t the numbers.FF/FG won’t talk to them.Read the news more.FF/FG hate Sinn Fein even more than they despise eachother.SF’s time will come when FG/FF/ Greens IMPLODE.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 9:05 PM

    @Dave Nomates: What has that to do with anything

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    Jun 8th 2020, 4:12 PM

    Ireland and the world has gone mad. First the elderly were villainised , then the children and in between , white people, who’ll be next ? If grand parents over seventy are fit , able and in good health they can make own decisions about minding or not minding their grandchildren . It’s been proved that children aren’t carriers and not super spreaders either , if children and grandparents aren’t sick then there’s absolutely no problem . It’s time people woke up and realised what’s really happening, any of the rules and regulations aren’t about our health or saving lives , it’s got nothing to do with a ‘ virus ” that was no worse than a flu and for which there is no accurate test . It’s about control , the more we give in and allow our freedom to be taken , the more control they will have over us . It’s time to talk up and make ourselves heard , reopen the country before anymore physical, psychological and economic damage is done , forget about social distancing , masks , track and tracing , antibody testing , cocooning , isolation , quarantining and vaccination . We’ve been deliberately brainwashed into being afraid and suspicious , we’ve always had contagious diseases , some worse than this but we never put our lives on hold for them . Life is for the living so let’s get on with it .

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    Jun 10th 2020, 9:50 PM

    @Rose Larkin.: You obviously havent lost a family member to this Virus …. and I hope you dont. You would be singing a different tune if you did.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 12:30 PM

    You’re so vain, you probably think this article’s about you don’t you

    http://www.judecollins.com/2017/04/solve-problem-like-regina-catherine-kelly/

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    Jun 8th 2020, 1:32 PM

    Load of balls

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    Jun 8th 2020, 10:03 PM

    I taught Regina lost her seat. Is she still receiving a ministerial salary. If so that would be unjust.

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    Jun 8th 2020, 9:17 PM

    Improvise ,, , it’s not compulsory it’s just mandatory

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    Jun 9th 2020, 4:05 AM

    So as usual the tools in Leinster House can’t make a decision between them, Harris says get a digout from family but yet your can’t have your grandparents look after them.

    Nearest sibling for my family is across the country (Cant travel beyond 20kms of Dublin), so what exactly do they expect us to do? Creche might be opening back up in July but they have said they can’t guarantee all places with the current rules.

    Harris is an absolute tool

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