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Still some 'heavy lifting' to be done in government formation talks, as teams work towards weekend deal

It is understood some progress was made in relation to agriculture and emissions, with parties signing off on the 7% target.

GOVERNMENT FORMATION TALKS continued late into the evening last night as negotiating teams work towards securing a deal by this weekend.

All sides said progress was made yesterday on issues such as climate, agriculture and emissions, with the 7% target in reducing greenhouse gas emissions agreed to.

However, some sources state the matter is not yet “closed”.

At the Fine Gael parliamentary party meeting, Tánaiste Simon Coveney said there is still some “heavy lifting” to be done, stating that some aspects dealing with the economy, climate, pensions, and housing are not yet signed off on.

He told the meeting that a deal was likely to be reached over the weekend, but it was not a certainty.

Varadkar told his Fine Gael colleagues that unresolved issues in a programme for government negotiation could cause problems later on down the line. 

He cited the Fine Gael-Labour government between 2011 and 2016 as an example.

The Fine Gael leader said he wanted a good plan for economic recovery in terms of work and business along with strong commitments on income tax and USC. He said a new care deal “from cradle to grave” was needed, as are measures for improving work life balances, reducing childcare costs and a statutory home care scheme for older people.

He said a well funded Rural Environmental Protection Scheme (REPS) package for farmers to encourage sustainable use of the land and protection of Ireland’s natural heritage is also a priority for his party.

Fianna Fáil sources have also pointed out that these talks involve a lot of detail, stating that in the last programme for government document there was a lot of “vague” commitments made that ultimately got set aside.

They stated that the Greens were getting a good deal, but they were pushing for a high-level of detail – detail that would usually be hammered out in Budget negotiations later on in the year.

Last night, a plenary meeting of the government negotiation teams got underway, with deputy leaders also meeting to sign-off on many of the key issues, which sources state are “narrowing down”.

Party leaders will now play a key role as all teams work towards getting a deal agreed by the weekend. Varadkar, Micheál Martin and Eamon Ryan are due to meet again in the next day or two.

The main sticking point dominating discussions since February is achieving an average 7% cut annually in greenhouse gas emissions.

It is believed that the Green Party team met last night due to a compromise being reached on the 7% emissions cut, however, it is understood some in the Green Party are not satisfied.

Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael were pushing for any emissions deal to exclude agriculture and farming, which the Greens opposed. It is understood progress was made on the matter, with the 7% agreed upon.

The ten-year plan includes measures such as ramping up the roll out of electric vehicles, retrofitting of homes, energy efficiency, and the rewetting of Ireland’s bogs.

During the talks, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael have maintained that rural Ireland should not be adversely impacted by the target. Green party leader Eamon Ryan has denied claims that his party in government would be bad for the rural economy.

The deadlines for getting a deal done have been successfully pushed back in recent days.

The first deadline missed was last weekend. Another date was set for yesterday, but was missed. Finally, a deadline of this weekend has been marked – and it is understood to be the final deadline.

While the focus is very much on when a new government might get off the ground, questions about the Green Party leadership were in the spotlight yesterday when Eamon Ryan mentioned the n-word in the Dáil during a debate on racism. He later apologised for using the word.

It should be noted that Ryan was quoting an Irish Times article written by Sean Gallen, in which the author used asterisks to self-censor the word. 

Criticisms were levelled at the Green Party leader from within his own party, though many that publicly criticised him, by and large, are also members who have committed to backing Catherine Martin in the leadership contest. 

Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan came to Ryan’s defence yesterday, stating:

“There is not a milligram of racism or prejudice in Eamon Ryan’s blood. We need an informed sense of perspective here.”

Other politicians across all parties have also defended Ryan.

There is some speculation that this incident might bury Ryan’s chance of holding onto the leadership, and therefore places a big question mark over the sustainability and future of the next government if Catherine Martin is at the helm.

While Martin is leading Green Party negotiations sources state that she is not as enthusiastic about striking a deal with Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil as Ryan is. However, the leadership contest within the party does not get underway until July, some time after a government formation deal needs to be agreed. 

All eyes will be on Catherine Martin and whether she backs the programme for government.

“If she backs it, it’ll pass. If she doesn’t, it won’t. So she’s really the key,” said one government source.

Housing was also up for discussion yesterday, with sources stating there is some work to do on the issues. Fianna Fáil is pushing for an affordable housing package, and the Greens looking for a substantial cost-rental scheme. It is understood the Help-to-Buy scheme is here to stay, but matters relating to Fine Gael’s flagship Land Development Agency still need to be ironed out.

While most are optimistic that a deal will be done by the weekend, the next step will be giving TDs and senators a chance to set their eyes on the draft proposed programme for government.

Fianna Fáil politicians have said they are on standby for a parliamentary party meeting to be held to discuss the document, if and when it is agreed.

If the deal gets the green light, the next hurdle is getting each of the each party’s membership to sign-off on the deal. This weekend’s deadline is important for a reason – at least ten to 12 days will be needed so the parties can consult with their members before votes are taken. 

The biggest concern is getting two-thirds of the Greens to sign off on the deal, though some Fianna Fáil TDs have said it is by no means a certainty that the grassroots members of the party will sign off on going into government with Fine Gael.

It’s nearly 125 days since the general election. Can Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and the Green Party work together to get an government off the ground, or are the Irish people going back to the polls? We’ll know very shortly. 

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    Mute Brian Dunne
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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:43 AM

    I did and i thoroughly enjoyed it. Well played patrick and all the kids and great to see it being about Christmas again.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:53 AM

    @Brian Dunne: the ‘made in China’ version perhaps, lots of future waste on show.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:53 AM

    @Thesaltyurchin: ah jeez give it a break Gretta. The clue is in the name….”TOY show”……. for first time in years there was toys/ about the toys. I really enjoyed it….Great job Patrick- all in all I’d say he knocked it clean out of the park.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:59 AM

    @Thesaltyurchin: Would you give it a rest, can you do a better job?

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    Mute Fred Coloe
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    Nov 25th 2023, 12:35 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: Miserable sod! Get a life !!

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    Mute Paul Gorry
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    Nov 25th 2023, 1:53 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: you defended the man who tried to murder little children, now this, something seriously wrong with you

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    Nov 25th 2023, 2:38 PM

    @Paul Gorry: says the man who is using those same kids as tools for his anti immagrant rant, never mentioning how the perpetrator is an Irish citizen, the hero of the story was a brazillian on a work visa and there was an adult hurt as well. Trying the play the heart strings there paul aren’t you contantly blaming an “Illegal migrant attacking lil children”. The perpetrator maybe mentallyvunstable but the sick one is yourself!

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    Mute Thesaltyurchin
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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:32 PM

    @Paul Gorry: I never defended anyone!!… I do question your perception tho.

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    Mute Thesaltyurchin
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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:35 PM

    @Ken Mc Carthy: You ‘really enjoyed it’… do your parents know you’re on here?

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:45 AM

    Hats off to Patrick on his 1st toy show. Was a fabulous success. Very entertaining with and tears shed with the 2 big surprises of family returning from Australia and the little girl brought to the show and getting her holiday to Disney world in Florida.

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    Mute Sheila McNulty
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    Nov 25th 2023, 12:48 PM

    @9213caroline: its not patrick that makes all that happen No more than when Ryan was doing the show which also had people coming home as a big surprize for their family & a trip to a special little child it always happened Good luck to Patrick & good luck to Ryan

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    Nov 25th 2023, 1:02 PM

    @Sheila McNulty: Don’t see @9213caroline claiming it was PK that ‘makes all that happen’!

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    Mute and the hit's just keep coming
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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:52 AM

    Enjoyed it for the first time in a long time…its easy to see he has young children himself because he didn’t rush them around the place he let the children play

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:20 AM

    @and the hit’s just keep coming: Exactly my thoughts. Tubridy was decent but rushed the kids all night. Kielty, as you say, let the kids enjoy themselves and it wasn’t all about him.

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    Mute Dave Harris
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    Nov 25th 2023, 11:36 AM

    @David Burns: turbity was ok in later years but early shows it seemed like turbitty was off his head on marching powder. Kielty was good from the get go – he much more natural and he let the kids be themselves

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:14 AM

    Really excellent – Patrick let everyone shine

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:45 AM

    @John Kelly: That’s exactly what I thought. It wasn’t about him at all.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:37 AM

    Best toy show in a long time, Patrick Kielty made it all about the kids & let them chat away no rushing! He was a breath of fresh air

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    Mute marklars81
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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:53 AM

    Really enjoyed it. Little one fell asleep about 11, but we kept watching until the end.
    Well done PK.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:57 AM

    It was the best toy show the kids at home were glued to it they usually fall asleep !

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:17 AM

    No.
    The Toy Show perpetuates class division by giving expensive presents to well connected Montrose posh kids while thousands of kids from the wrong Postcode languish in drug infested homeless shelters with no prospect of any future and no toys because they cannot afford them.
    Hopefully some day we’ll have an egalitarian society where all kids will be cherished equally not just those privileged ones.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:20 AM

    @Tommy Haze: as i said to you in another thread, im sure yound seamie from co clare who dreams of being a bricky has loads of connections in montrose.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:27 AM

    @Brian Dunne: I can’t believe he has tried the same answer in 2 threads about the toy show, these trolls must never have a day off. Brian, your response on both threads is perfect. I couldn’t have said it better myself!

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:29 AM

    @Tommy Haze: Good man Tommy! You’re the bull! You’re the bull! You’re the bull!

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:38 AM

    @Tommy Haze: The “Make everyone Poor” politicians are doing well in the polls and MSM at the moment so your Christmas wish may come true.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 1:14 PM

    @Tommy Haze: i would say you’re a good laugh at a party

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:28 PM

    @Tommy Haze: That is not where the toys go. Not the facts matter in a good rant!

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    Nov 25th 2023, 1:07 PM

    I watched it and thought it was brilliant

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    Nov 25th 2023, 2:01 PM

    First toy show in years that didnt feel fake or rushed

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    Nov 25th 2023, 1:48 PM

    I thought he did an excellent job. Well done PK.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:51 AM

    People who have children do watch this consumerism TV programme.
    I Boycott RTÉ altogether.
    Israel Embassy News Channel.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:53 AM

    @Ham Hat: cool story bro

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:58 AM

    Get your orders in early, they need to mould the plastic and assemble the parts so they have enough money to eat, then it needs to be packaged and put on a ship to trawl its way to Europe and then to Ireland, just in time for Global billionaires to enjoy their private jets to fairer shores… but it’s all worth it to see their faces gleaming with delight that ‘Santy’ has delivered.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:10 AM

    @Thesaltyurchin:
    Who stole your Christmas, Mr. Grinch?

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:26 AM

    @Thesaltyurchin:
    God almighty, such utter shite…

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:30 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: Wow, The Grinch has turned into a saltyurchin!

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:33 PM

    @KTH: tell me i’m wrong?

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:34 PM

    @Regular John: The same lad who wants to burn rte down. Hmmm, okay I believe you.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:49 AM

    Don’t forget everyone to give your hard earned €160 to RTE. Good little sheep

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:58 AM

    @Simon Eales: I wish we could all be as smart as you Simon Eales

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    Nov 25th 2023, 11:10 AM

    @Simon Eales: ‘Hard earned €160’? Failed at life have you?

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    Nov 25th 2023, 11:29 AM

    @Simon Eales: I pay 13 euro a month on the post office. Better than a court appearance, but your so cool and hard the Joys a holiday camp for you

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    Nov 25th 2023, 1:46 PM

    @Simon Eales: ooooh. Edgy.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 4:09 PM

    Really need to move it to an earlier time, the under 6s can’t enjoy it

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    Nov 25th 2023, 11:33 AM

    Luckily I was never brought up on the madness of RTE and I got to live a normal childhood without having talkspeak constantly tell me how to live my life. So many unhappy and hateful people in Ireland at the moment and RTE has played a huge role in this.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 11:42 AM

    @Thomas Reddy: yeah really sounds like that has worked out for you.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 11:45 AM

    @Thomas Reddy: Judging by your comment, you were clearly brought up on some kind of madness. What was it exactly?

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    Nov 25th 2023, 1:25 PM

    @Vectorsector: Hey just because I’m self aware and can see how the country is messed up and how it’s people seem more intent on patting themselves on the back when they hear people talk about how great they are for helping others but are actually terrible when it comes to helping their own isn’t a slight on you at all. You were brought up in ignorance so it’d be fairly obvious that you’d grow up to be ignorant yourself.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 1:47 PM

    @Thomas Reddy: says the unhappy and hateful guy. Lol.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 3:56 PM

    @lWOk0fWf: So many butthurt people on here. I thought this was a news site for getting the latest news, little did I know it was just another social media platform for the forever offended.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:32 PM

    @Thomas Reddy: I love this when people say helping their own. How many people actually do.
    Volunteer and not with the local club but with the disability community or the homeless or any of the dozens of worthwhile causes that need people.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:55 PM

    @Gary Kearney: You just proved my point

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    Nov 25th 2023, 4:45 PM

    Watched it and it was brilliant I am now going to pay my TV licence

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:38 AM

    It Will Never Justify the Licence fee! Bah bloody Humbug!!!

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    Nov 25th 2023, 8:45 PM

    No I didn’t watch it but by all accounts it was excellent. Best of luck to PK always found him to be a genuinely nice guy.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 10:19 PM

    I’m not Irish but I think people over examine what is just a bit of fun. Just enjoy it for what it is without the analysis.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 12:20 PM

    Not look at the Toy Show after Gay Byrne retired lord rest him

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    Nov 25th 2023, 1:05 PM

    @Paul Scully: I miss his pomposity and condescension.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:33 PM

    @Tom Dillon: He had plenty of them that is for sure.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 3:00 PM

    Thankfully all my kids have grown and fled the nest so I don’t have to watch it anymore.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 2:41 PM

    Hi Journal, you may as well start shitting the comments on all articles as even this one is not safe from the racist, hate perpetrating, gurriers like Paul Gorry and Peter Murray.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 2:49 PM

    @Joe x: Sorry, that’s meant to be “shutting”

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    Mute he didnt take the 120k because he already got it s
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    Nov 25th 2023, 1:43 PM

    Watch rte? Are you mad?! im a celebrity was on

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    Nov 26th 2023, 5:24 AM

    Don’t watch anything RTE. Full of overpaid people and corruption.

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    Nov 26th 2023, 9:10 AM

    Get rid of RTE please.

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    Nov 25th 2023, 9:20 PM

    Boring! Tried but couldn’t watch! Trying too hard!

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    Nov 26th 2023, 8:22 AM

    Super

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