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CEREMONIES TO COMMEMORATE the Irish men and women who lost their lives in past wars or while serving with the United Nations are being held around the country today.
An event at the National Museum of Ireland, Collins Barracks, this morning is being attended by President Michael D Higgins, Taoiseach Enda Kenny and representatives of the Diplomatics Corps, the Council of State.
Relatives of the 1916 leaders and of Irish people who died on UN service are also expected to attend, as are representatives from Northern Ireland.
The Collins Barracks event begins at 10.30am with a multi-faith prayer service followed by the President laying a commemorative wreath on behalf of the people of Ireland. Galway’s Cois Cladaigh choir and Army bands will be providing musical accompaniment to the event. Members of the public who wish to attend are advised to arrive before 10.15am.
Events are also being held at City Hall in Sligo, Kilkenny Castle, the NUIG Quadrangle in Galway, Limerick City Hall, Fitzgerald’s Park in Cork and Bishop’s Palace Museum of Treasures in Waterford. These commemoration ceremonies are due to start at 11am (except for Waterford’s which starts at 11.30) and all are open to the public, but people should arrive half an hour beforehand.
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Disgusting comment!! Such a backwards view!
It’s obvious he doesn’t live in ‘the real world’
Well he has a point. Anytime I’m with my friends and a girl walks by in a short skirt there is always a chorus of comments as to what we’d like to do to her. It doesn’t happen if a girl is covered up. Any red blooded male will think a lot of bad thoughts when they see a girl in a revealing outfit. If they say they don’t then they are either lying or gay. It doesn’t mean the girl will be raped, but if she dresses that way in front of a weak willed man then she may find herself in a spot of bother.
Fortunately, such “weak willed” men are greatly in the minority!
But the sooner we get those that remain to grow a backbone & grow up, the better.
your comment says more about you and your friends than it does about the girl…. You really are not nice people .
@Brian
Well then it’s the men that are the problem if they can’t hold back. So why do the woman always have to take the blame? Oh yeah that’s right, because woman have always been seen as the worthless sex thanks to religion.
Brian, a weak-willed man is one thing. A man capable of raping a woman is not weak-willed, he’s an absolute monster. There is no way you can have a low enough will to resist raping a woman, any man who does so has a strong will to rape, and they are completely sick!
I’d consider myself a red-blooded male, and there is no woman so hot, nor one that could dress so provocatively that it would cause me to do that. It’s not about the situation or the factors involved in any given situation. You are either capable of rape or you are not.
Brian Horgan, that says a lot more about you and your friends than it does about the girl. you are gross and pathetic.
It amuses me to see that people like to think that women can dress like hookers and still be treated with the respect a classily dressed woman would be. If this is what you think then its you and not this priest who isn’t living in the real world!
Next time you see a bunch of guys in a bar checking out a girl going by in a short skirt, then you can convince yourself that they are all discussing what a lovely personality she must have. And I guess the girl dressed like that in the first place as she wants to be appreciated for her enormous IQ. Get real people! This story can be spun as another church bashing story, but it seems this priest has a stronger grasp on reality than most people on here!
Finding someone sexually attractive doesn’t equate to raping them, Brian. Go for a walk, clear your head and then have a read back over the nonsense you’re posting here.
Is Brian Horgan a troll? He just set up his twitter account. Then again, he/she could be BOB.
Brian, saying to your mates that a girl is looking well in a bar/nightclub is one thing, because as humans we are hard-wired to seek out a suitable mate. Attractive women will obviously attract the attention of men, but it’s fine to discuss physical appearance. If your mind goes to forcing a woman to have unconsensual sex with you based on her looks, then you are a sick sick man!
You should respect EVERYONE! Sometimes it’s hard and you really can’t (I’m having some trouble with yourself at the moment), but regardless of however you perceive someone, you should treat them the same as any other!
Your parents, or whoever raised you, have failed if you’re so socially backward that you feel you have grounds for an argument here!
You do not rape.
Not anyone.
Not ever.
I never said you should rape! All I’m saying is that if women try to lure men by dressing provocatively then it can lead to the chances of being raped. That’s all this priest said as well. Nobody wants to be robbed either, but leave a bunch of €50 notes hanging out of your back pocket and see how far you get.
Brian, you stated that any “red-blooded male will think a lot of bad thoughts”, suggesting that any man would consider rape as an option.You stated that a man would find it difficult to resist rape if they are “weak-willed”. You suggested that women should be treated with respect in accordance of how classy they dress.
You are a sick individual. You say you don’t advocate rape, yet you seem to be defending the psychological characteristics of a rapist as though they are universal to all heterosexual men. They are not.
You may well need to get yourself psychologically evaluated, because there is something seriously wrong with the way you think.
i reckon Brian Horgan lives in “‘the real world”.
why do hookers tend to dress as they do ???
some of the guys commenting here must be gay, or dishonest.
Just the rantings of one ignorant fool.
People like him don’t count and are dinosaurs.
I can understand what Brian is saying, And i’m not sick or twisted.
Unfortunately Brian, that’s not all he said. The totality of his comments, as reported in this story, reflect a regressive and dismissive attitude to women and their place in society and the world at large.
His sole conclusion is that violent acts, which have resulted in lives being lost or destroyed, are the fault of the victims — and only the victims. An ignorant comment from a hateful and judgmental person. And you would defend him? Support him?
As the above comments point out, there is a strong distinction between prurience and more sinister sexual violence. That you cannot identify this distinction is worrying — to say the least.
Brian, driving a lovely flash Ferrari doesn’t mean anyone else is entitled to take it because its a beautiful car. Brian you are a moron who could only ever force a woman physically to be with you because you and your ugly mates wouldn’t have a hope of pulling an attractive woman.
When I see a girl in a sexy outfit in a bar, I might look alright and appreciate her taking the time and effort to make herself look attractive. Yes the odd nod and smile might be shared between my mates and I but you obviously hang out with the sort of knuckle dragging idiots that couldn’t converse with a woman without the use of innuendos and childish giggles to your mates at any chance you get.
whats the nod and a smile for?
A woman whistled at me once…then she booked me.
Swaziland have made it illegal to wear mini skirts, crop tops or any clothes that would “excite” men because the numbers of rape have increased……. grrrrr WHY do people blame girls for it!?!? dressing to feel good and having a laugh apparently means a green light for disgusting vile men…. rape is a castrate offence if you ask me!
Crawl back underneath your rock
Yes, he is a troll
Wow Brian. This says everything about you and your friends and nothing about women who dress “provocatively”
Brian Horgan, is there a reason you’re trying so hard to justify and defend your comments? She *actually* said no (repeatedly), but the short skirt said otherwise, right?
Brian
You are spot on in your comments but subjugated men and ‘empowered’ women will beat you up over this one.
Women refuse to acknowlede that they dress for the oposite sex.
It can be dressed up as ‘oh I feel better when I am dressed up’ or similar.
The questions to be asked are ;
Why do girls wear skintight jeans ?
Why do girls wear low cut tops ?
Why do girls wear make-up ?
Etc
The answer is because it makes them more attractive to men ….
So before I am red-thumbed to death, ask your self the questions above, and think before you shoot the messenger
Totally reject that as a woman. Ask most women who they dress for and you will find it’s for each other. I have a bunch of friends from school and when we meet up, albeit only a couple of times a year, we get all dressed up and it’s totally to impress each other. And none of us is gay before you ask.
It’s because we know our efforts will be appreciated. We all work hard, we have 15 kids between us, we try to keep fit, try to be all things to all people. We all love fashion. It’s an outlet, another form of expression. There’s nothing nicer than your friend telling you you look well, you’ve got a great pair of legs, whatever!
Men who think women do it solely for their titillation are deluded, pathetic idiots.
Jim, how do you go about attracting partners?
Women are entitled to wear what they want without having to put up with ridicule.
Nothing more pleasing to the eye than a Woman that takes pride in her apperance.
This may sound bad but I have on a few occasions complimented Woman on their apperance (In the company of my own partner) and the complimens were accepted in the context they were given.
It’s refreshing to see people taking pride in their apperance.
Such ignorance and @rseholery.
Brian, if you cannot handle the sight of a beautiful woman, who may be dressed sexily, then you should stop going out. As should any man who thinks they will just be too tempted by good looking women. A man or woman should be able to dress as they please and not be subjected to sexual assault of any kind. The people who will not be able to prevent themselves from committing a crime should not allow themselves to be in situations where the temptation will be too great.
Jim women may dress sexily to attract a man – not all do, but some – BUT they dress to attract the man they want, not any d!ck who decides he wants her, and decides that he has the right to touch her because she is wearing a short skirt/ tight top, etc.
Brian, I’d like to find you some help, but there are no listings for veterinary psychologists…
Well said jim and they are facts
Brian it’s a reasonable view and I think the €50 note is the perfect example
Brian: your comment is really worrying. Read it and have a chat with yourself.
Brian: huge difference between admiring a girl and raping her. You seem to be implying that rape is ok – wtf?
Jim: are u saying that women wear make up and revealing clothes because they want to get raped? Why do men wash their faces, comb their hair, wear nice clothes?
@maria
Read it again Maria, thats clearly not whats being said.
We all have to take some responsibility for the impact of the way we dress
Brian and Jim,
Would you prefer it if women all wore the hijab? That way all the flesh is covered and men will no longer have to control their impulses. Is that the solution? They seem to think so in Muslim culture, perhaps you should convert?
Meanwhile, in the real world, people are expected to control their impulses. Someone might knock a drink over you in a pub – you are expected to not punch them, because that’s assault. You don’t get away with it because they spilled their drink on you.
It’s the very same thing, if you see a woman that you find sexually attractive you do not get to have sex with her unless she consents – even if she is naked, even if she is your girlfriend – because your presumption of consent does not equal consent, and the offence of rape relates to the failure to obtain it.
Jim, I think you have some serious problems. As a woman, I’ve dressed up to attract men and to impress my female friends, as well as to feel good about myself. Sometimes, I don’t even mean to look sexy. Sometimes, it just happens. The problem is that you are not a man – at least not a real one. Real men respect women and their bodily autonomy because they aren’t inadequate enough to feel threatened. A real man can accept when a woman isn’t interested in him and understands that raping a woman is never ok. A real man understands that rape isn’t sex. Real men take care of business by standing up to rapists instead of blaming victims. Do society a favor – grow a pair before you start commenting about sex.
Dead right Brian. It’s male instinct. They more a girl reveals the greater the urge is. It’s very simple really! Women just can’t seem to understand it!
Why do women wear shirt skirts? To attract male attention. Men in turn gives the woman attention. The woman in turn gives out about getting the attention because its a hindrance!
@Sean
Its a male animal instinct. Adult human men control their instincts.
Brain we place rapist in prison.Keep it up and you and your friends will end up there.You sound like you boarder on being criminally insane.Maybe we should lock you up anyway.A future rapist if I ever saw one
@Sean Why would a woman ever think about wearing short skirts in public unless she was asking for it? Gee, i don’t know maybe it’s because it’s hot outside and she doesn’t feel like sweating. Believer it or not, im sure pleny wont, whenever i step outside the door in short shorts or a short skirt it’s never been because i’m hoping to please men everywhere. It’s because i live in a place with awful weather during spring and summer and the less clothing i can get away with not wearing when it’s scorching hot i will take advantage and it has absolutely nothing to do with sex. I just hate the heat and ruining clothing with sweat. Men walk around outside all of the time shirtless and nobody assumes they’re asking to be raped but when a woman does it it’s because she’s asking for it. You know how much i would love for it to be socially acceptable for a woman to walk around shirtless? Very badly and none of it has to do with me wanting to attract a partner, i just hate being out in the summertime sweating through my clothes while my guy friends get to hang around shirtless because their bodies aren’t offensive or provoke violence in society.
Female modesty is a social fallacy.
Societies fall into it when they decide confronting rape & violence & male dominance is just too hard.
At the end of that road lies the burka. No thanks.
Could not agree more!
Well said Auntie Dote, and we can all see how we’ll burkas have worked to quell male dominance and abuse in the countries where they’re most popular.
Hit the nail on the head there Auntie Dote. Well said.
I own a sexuality. It’s mine. I can dress it how I like, pursue its satisfaction how I like, invite participation of others how & when I like, & reverse such invitations how & when I like. I can have fun with it or be serious with it or ignore it or share it when & with whom I like.
I own a sexuality. It’s mine, not yours. You may not drive around in my sexuality, no matter how much you like it, without my express invitation; any more than you can drive around in my car without my express invitation.
Got it?
@Auntie Dote
Noble and naive
To draw on the analogies from earlier
If I own a beautiful house with a beautiful ‘soul’ within, would I leave that house unlocked and open to thieves?
Would I broadcast to thieves or others that my house may be open for those who may wish to visit without invitation ?
There is a way we would like the world to be and then there is the way the world is.
A house doesn’t have a voice a woman has, no means no, doesn’t matter if she wearing a sari, mini skirt, boob tube or a jumper and jeans.
No, means No….
Auntie Dote, you’re a dote!
Jim & John Coole. Are you the same person? Surely two people couldn’t have the same ignorant attitude. Surely!
Since when is knowing the dangers and reality of a situation being ignorant?
In fact ignoring these dangers is the real ignorance.
Would any parent ,brother, in their right mind be relaxed as their sister , wife or daughter goes out on the town late at night dressed like a pole dancer.
No means no , I agree,
But one must face reality. danger means danger,
Typical of the roman catholic church ! Always blaming the victims ! What about the thousands of children that were raped by clerics? I suppose they dressed inappropriately too! . Those people in the RCC make my blood boil!
Right, so the way to stamp out crime is for everyone to live in utter and total destitution, have nothing of worth to steal, no opinions to cause disagreement, and wearing burkas to reject unwanted advances – yeah?
I’d hate to live in your world, and I doubt it would make any difference.
In my experience those who rape do so because they are used to getting what they want when they demand it. They don’t like the word no.
People who steal have similar issues, as do people who are violent. They are selfish people who want what they want and care little for anyone else.
THEY are the problem, not people who own nice things, or look nice when they go out, or people expressing their opinions. It’s about respect. Plain and simple.
Totally right.
And it’s certainly not a priest whose church has been implied in numerous pedophily scandals to say anything.
And what about all those innocent children did they bring it on themselves ?
Believe it or not, there are some who have said as much!
So what’s the excuse for all those young boys who were sexually abused over the years? The church is a joke!
Up to the 70s boys wore short pants to school. I’m sure some priests found them as inviting as a miniskirt on an adult woman. Those comely juvenile knees!
When I was in school we were supposed to wear our skirts down past our knees and we weren’t allowed short sleeved shirts – I guess knees and elbows were considered sexy by the nuns..
We weren’t allowed black bras either, what I wanted to know was why they were looking there in the first place..
Well this is just 1 step forward and a thousand steps back … Bye bye Catholic Church.
Where is the step forward? I just see the thousand steps back.
You are right !! There is no steps forward.
Such a stupid comment, woman do not bring sexual abuse on themselves, women who dress very conservative can and are raped.
There will be always nutters like this around, as long as woman have anything to with this idiotic religion, why do so many men fear woman so much. Is it simply because we use our brains a little bit more.
Ah yes, victim blaming. What a backwards view. It’s not the victim’s fault, it’s the attackers fault regardless of what a person was wearing at the time of an attack.
If a person can’t respect someone’s personal space (for lack of a better way to put it), then they should take a good hard look at themselves and who they are as a person.
“Children are abandoned to their own devices, homes are dirty, meals are cold or fast food, clothes are filthy.”
If thats the case priest – where is the ruddy fathers to care for their kids also?
What was that you said priest?
Sorry I can’t hear you over your stupidity!
Go back to the dark ages where you belong you horrible frock wearing nut.
You stay classy, Catholicism.
If youwant to be critical of the Catholic Church, then at least be man enough not to hide behind a pseudonym.
Brian Horgan a woman can dress like she wants a man can look all he wants but he can’t touch! Can I ask have u any daughters??? If so if she gets attacked just because some sick bastard seen her wear a skirt with heels wonder what u would think??? Or would u blame your daughter for dressing up and going out to enjoy herself!!! Your views like the priest belong in the past!!!
Someome remind me what century we are living in?
to Tim O”Sullivan.
never mind ‘what century’ what bloody Planet are we on???
GDSofaB, should be defrocked and kicked out of that laughable organization that has dominated so many people!!
ruined and victimized women and children.
will every one please look at the basd’s and see what they have and are still doing.
and I am very happy not to hide behind a false name.
its so sad that we are having this discussion at all, what fools some people are
Another day, another pathetic church view. Organised religion…the root of evil
He’ll probably just be moved to a different parish. Standard RC practice for someone who might embarass the “Holy Roman Catholic Church”.
Just pray he doesn’t turn up in yours!
Oh look, a man who took a vow of celibacy but still has very strong opinions about sex.
What an incredible a***hole
Absolute idiot.
An they wonder why the churches are empty
Who cares what some Italian virgin says?
He may not be a virgin. But he is certainly a nut!!
I would hate to be him now!
He’s ok. It’s all going over his head and sure hasnt He’s got god on his side.
A priest? Me too!
A propos of nothing… I wonder what that young student in India was wearing when she was gang raped? Or that elderly woman in Orlando, Florida? They must have done *something* to provoke it… right?
Will see the Pope trying to get out of that one on Twitter.Are the church really stuck in them ages.A moronic comment to make………….
i can kind of understand where he’s coming from with the “provocative clothes” part, but still – outrageous stuff.
What… so clothes can provoke a man to rape a woman? That’s an insane view
I really hate that ‘dressing provocatively’ argument. You wouldn’t say the person brought it on themselves if they drove a fancy car and it got stolen; so how anyone can apply that line of thinking to sexual assaults is beyond me.
Rape and sexual violence have nothing to do with sexual desire and everything to do with power and control. Less victim blaming please. No woman should have to modify how she dresses in case men are overcome with lust, that’s a dangerous myth that insults men and women alike.
Thanks mart_n & Sam for nipping that one in the bud! :-)
But surely you would say that the person brought it on them self if they drove a fancy car and it got stolen? Not that they deserve to have their car Stolen – but Presumably more expensive vehicles are more attractive to thieves? I.e in purchasing that car, the person should be aware of the increased risk that the car may be targeted.
Are you that weak willed yourself that you want to rape any woman you see who shows a bit of leg or boob? You must hate going to the beach, or the pool, or the gym. All those dirty, half dressed trollops giving you a stiffie eh?
Put us all in Burkas and be done with it!!
Denise, the problem with that is the same weak willed idiots who don’t understand that a short skirt isn’t an open invitation will get themselves all worked up wondering what we’re hiding under it and rip it off and rape anyway. We can’t win, can we?!?
They’ll always find an excuse Daisy. The burka and hijab haven’t prevented rape or sex crimes in Muslim countries. In fact, in most, incidences of rape including marital rape are very high by comparison to western countries.
Que some genius saying there’s no such thing as marital rape……
I am glad you emphasis SHOULD , but common sense says there are times when it is a bad idea to dress in skimpy sexy clothes, on the beach or the shopping Mall during the day is safe enough perhaps but late at night alone on a City street?
Defiantly not the time or place.
Why don’t you go beat your wife or something, idiot.
John Coole, instead of curtailing women’s actions, since men are the ones who can’t be trusted, then it’s men that need to be placed into male chastity belts. If he’s unmarried, no key; the key is held by a court. Once he is married, the key goes to his wife. If she wants to let him out at night, fine. Other than that, keep him under lock and key. no more rape. problem solved.
@Denise
The incidence of rape is very significantly lower in Middle Eastern (Muslim) countries than in Western Europe/USA
Check out the UN statistics on incidences of rape
You can’t be serious, Jim? Rape is extremely under-reported in those countries for good reasons of being stoned, beheaded, etc. Rape victims aren’t considered “victims” at all there. The ME is the worst when it comes to rape/violence against women. I’m sure they have a “low murder rate” as well since those countries execute gays, adulterers, blasphemers, converts, etc.
Of course I am serious, I am always serious.
Read the information is what I am saying, and don’t do the usual Journal approach of attacking the messenger
Hmmm, if women dressing “provocatively” is akin to invites for rape, does that mean wearing a priests smock makes it ok to punch them in the nards?
Or to stab people who wear a certain type / item / colour of clothing?
Didn’t think so..
Rape is not about sex, it’s about control and power.
about time some one said that, it is about control and can be about fear of women.
my daughter was raped by 4 men, some o them held her while one after another they raped her,she lived for 3 years after the rape and then lost her life to reckless behavior. She knew she would end up dead, for my daughter it was better than living, she just could not stand the hell which her life had become.
The rape had nothing to do about how she was dressed, it was in part the the feelings of mate ship and the desire for power the men wanted to feel, they wanted to share this sexual violent act.
any comments from the so called men who have comment on how women dress , I am happy to respond to.
by the way my daughter was 17yoa
Brian is one of the Lads, hard man, especially after a load of pints, prob talks to men more often than women, great man in a gang, might even be longing to come out of the closet, or else he is 15 and can’t wait to grow up.
Time to start placing curfews on men, since they refuse to behave and stop raping, killing and beating women.
http://madmikesamerica.com/2012/02/what-were-you-wearing-when-you-were-raped/
It isn’t “provocative clothing” that makes men rape. It’s a need for dominance and uncontroable rage toward women whom they view as objects to be used. It’s not our repsonsiblitiy to carry men’s moral burden. If men can’t keep their hands and genetalia under control, it’s their fault. Not women’s (or other men, there are a number of male rape victims, but overwhelmingly it is men who rape others). And if they can’t control it, they need to be locked up. You don’t blame someone for being mugged, stop blaming women for being sexually assaulted by criminals.
It’s kinda ridiculous how these people still are held in high regard in parts of the world including ireland. What a stupid stupid comment to make. So ignorant. Priests should seriously consider what comments they make when it comes to sexual assaults etc.
Here we go again bashing the Catholic Church. One priest said it. I know several priests in my local parish and they wouldnt agree with what the Italian Priest said.
I also know a few locally that would!
John,
The problem is that these views are consistent with what we have all heard from the Catholic Church over the years. It is about time the Catholic church grew up and realised that it is corrupt from the top to the bottom.
@ Tony Manning
Well said.
The RC Church’s many, many actions and policies speak far louder than just latest PR words, for centuries!
Now I’m no fortune teller.
But I predict this fella is in trouble.
I predict he will be kept quiet and hidden for a while before emerging in another place and no more will hoped (by Rome) be said by the media.
If the media/people do speak up, the PR words will continue from Rome once again…
Is he speaking from experience?
Typical catholic church. Blame the victim. Provocative children tempting poor priests into raping and abusing them and now women not doing the dusting deserve a good raping for being such a dirty slut.
What baxtard! Still I suppose he is just reflecting what his cult thinks of women. The deluded ones are the clowns who go to mass and expect the venom that that evil corporation spouts to be palatable.
What a tosser!
Alcohol is the main cause of physical violents against women & men. A story i heard about a young man in a nightclub, getting battered on side of his head by his drunken girlfriend by using the heel of her shoe as a weapon, poor guy had blood coming from his ear.Apparently his only crime was, he winked at another girl.
I would have said a lack of self-control, a lack of kop-on and self-discipline was a main cause of physical violent against women & men.
Sexy clothes = rape!!!!! Wtf does a man in a sharp suit run the risk of being raped?
Is that why the clergy dress up so much?? They actually believe that the clothes makes them more holy and hence more powerful. Yet preach the opposite. Hypocrites. If that is their logic — then women would now go and burn down churches which of course is as mad as the clergy.
That priest is a knob.
perhaps the ‘Nob’ and Brian should meet up, now there’s a match made in ?whatever!!!
Surely this is a simple empirical question? nnAre men who are contemplating rape more likely to attack a scantily clad woman than one who is more covered up? It would be methodologically hard to fully establish whether such a relationship exists or not, but surely there are ways of at least establishing whether there is some form of correlation. nnI suspect, however, that political correctness has prevented those in a position to attempt this research from doing it. That’s a shame, especially for women. nn
Well said Tracy
There is no form of dress or behaviour that is guaranteed to make a woman, man or child safe from attack.
So lets focus our efforts to stop violence on confronting and frustrating the perpetrators at every step.
Clothes don’t have anything to do with it. Rape is mostly done to victims who are easy targets, e.g. family or friends. Rape is mostly done by someone the victim knew and trusted already. The rapist is waiting for an opportune moment, i.e. a moment alone with the victim, which isn’t going to happen in a crowded pub. A woman walking down a dark alley alone might get raped if a rapist is following her around, regardless of what she is wearing. And, a rapist knows that they are abusing and hurting someone. They don’t believe that they are just doing it for fun or something. They know how wrong and sick it is. They are not doing it for sex, they are doing it for the sick pleasure of dominating someone completely in the most invasive way possible. A rapist isn’t someone who looks around and thinks, oh there’s a nice-looking woman, might be nice to rape her later. A rapist is someone who is watching out for a person he can catch alone and defenseless, whether or not she is pretty or dressed in a particular way. There is loads of information on how rape tends to happen, go to any website that informs about rape. It really doesn’t matter what a person is wearing.
Auntie Dote and Niamh – the question is: have you got any empirical evidence to suggest that there is no correlation whatsoever between provocative dress and likelihood of sexual assault? If you do, then the priest is wrong. If you don’t, then you really have no basis for what you are saying. I admit I haven’t looked at the data on rape. If such evidence exists, then let’s see it. If not, this priest’s hypothesis deserves some calm consideration.
Tracy, no one has the right to use someones body without their consent regardless of how they dress. No one.
Another Brainwashed Idiot with a collar.
All I can call that Priest and all priests and all men that have abused children is you are all total basta,,s and they should be all hung drawn and quartered in public and as I know that this will never happen it is about time that the legislators got their act together and gave proper life as in natural life sentences on very basic needs met… Cold showers minimum food no t.v’s. etc etc
The lads in the pub reckon he’s canvassing to be the Pope.
Sounds like he’s holding the right attitude to get the job!
I’d say he’s canvassing for a good hiding.
I think he should get it Damien!
@Damien Flinter @Biggins31 : You’re both sick – advocating violence, it’s people like you give social media a bad name. Can you not get involved in a discussion like civilized human beings?!
@JA Crowe
So this ‘celibate’ ‘father’ can say women who dress to suit themselves are provoking rape and assault, but if I suggest that statement is inviting a smack on the nose I’m the sicko?
Check your pulse.
Civilised adults meet ignorant fascism with its own medicine.
Be careful who you align yourself with.
What about all the little boys?? Did they bring it on themselves too??
Using an aspect of the natural(obviously needing control) male interest in the also natural female, to have a go at the Catholic Church is a cheap shot. It is obvious what the priest is getting at and his intention is to see less harm to women.
LOL Thats some spin! LOL
Yes Tom, u keep those rose tinted glasses on, good man ( rolls eyes in disbelief)
Tom the Guy is an idiot like the rest of the cult.
Spinning faster than a washing machine there!
How do you explain the fact that most rapes occur between people who know each other?
Most often it has nothing to do with what they are wearing – they could be looking their absolute worst – its entirely to do with the other person wanting sex and ignoring the other persons objection.
The stereotype idea of a stranger in a dark alley is actually the minority.
Sure that’s his intention. If we women knew our places and kept the floors scrubbed and the towels fresh, we wouldn’t be hit or killed by our husbands, either. Now I get it.
Mrs Brown said……”‘.if they don’t play the game they should not make the rules’” and in my opinion not even comment.
It’s very simple. Yes, it’s wise to be on guard from sexual predators. But it should not be necessary. We shouldn’t have to conform to a dress code because men are slavering moronic beasts who can’t control themselves. That’s insulting to both genders.
Maybe seeing a man in tight jeans makes me feel violent. Should men therefore not be allowed to wear the kind of pants they prefer wearing sometimes? Is it their fault if I punch them in the face?
Victim blaming produces the following message: “Go ahead and hurt whoever you want. You’ll get away with it because people will say it’s your victim’s fault anyway.” And so we get more violence. What seems like a better solution? Telling people that they can’t wear what they want to wear, or punishing criminals and discouraging crime? Duhhhhhh.
Sounds like the church found their next pope.
Just wow. I really do not no what to say for the stupidity of this comment. And The catholic church wonders why me and thousands of others have left the church.
I love the last line!
What a sick and twisted individual. The least he could do is resign.
Rape is no about sex. Rape is about power.
This is why closeted homosexual priests should not comment on women’s issues. I’m not saying that to be mean, it just really strikes me as odd that a priest who is not allowed to marry or do the nasty is up in arms over this issue with such a trolly comment. It really hints at an unresolved sexual identity coupled with an overt hatred towards women. His comments say much more about his mental state than anything else. The Catholic church has got to get rid of rules concerning priests being married. Start attracting normal human beings to the priesthood.
Where did you get the idea that he’s a “closeted homosexual”? He actually comes over as being a heterosexual priest. That item he put on the church door is the normal view of the misogynist institution of which he is a member. It won’t make a damn bit of difference if the priests are married or not until they cut the crap about woman’s role in society and treat them as being EQUAL.
I also get the impression from your comment that you have negative views about gay people. Everybody should be treated equally.
Gotta love it… “girls don’t cover every part of themselves and don’t clean the house, work for their money rather than staying home with the kids”, because, yanno, economy allows you to stay home!
A person saying that a girl wearing less clothes is asking to be raped or abused in any sort of way, is a person who cannot control him/herself.
Then again, the other side of the coin is that it all comes down to how the girl behaves when she is wearing these clothes… you can wear it because you like it or you think it’s pretty, or you can wear it to attract men and get laid…
Like most there are those that want an excuse for their behaviour. The women were dressed provacative so we couldn’t help ourselves. Or raping a sister or female cousin because family is less likely to kill you. Now, of course, you would be totally hostile to having your macho male gorgeous body raped by some homosexual because he could not control himself around your provacative self. There should be more women armed with knives and concealed firearms to greet these rapist. It should be the most valued gift from a husband/father/uncle/brother on Christmas/birthday/muslim or hindu holiday. Aim not to kill, only to remind the amorous ass hole where he was failing in his moral responsibilities.
Have you seen that rapex thing that’s allegedly been invented? Like a tube with little sharp bits on the inside, apparently the woman is supposed to wear it internally to rip the cock off her attacker.
Although sadly, the lurking anonymous rapist is the minority.. Most rape victims knew their attacker :(
I can see from the comments of some fo the women on here that yee seem to know everything. Boo Hoo it’s all the fault of the big bad men repressing yee. As far as my experience goes fro every lad that fancies a hotty in a mini dress and boots, their are an equal number of agressive and abusive women in bars and nightclubs. I’ve seen lads glassed for no reason by some of the more “fairer” sex. But hey it’s all men’s fault right?
When a man rapes a woman then yes, it almost certainly is that man’s fault.
Oh goodness, your comment is so badly written I want to glass you and I don’t even drink!
I think he’s already half bottled.
Hilarious Jane, can I join the queue?
Ruth – the issue isn’t whether rape is a woman’s fault or not. It NEVER is; it’s ALWAYS the rapist’s fault. The issue is whether dressing provocatively makes you more likely to be victimised by somebody looking for a victim. That’s a separate question and deserves serious consideration.
“The issue is whether dressing provocatively makes you more likely to be victimised by somebody looking for a victim”.
Tracy, what a victim wears has nothing to do with rape. You’d never accuse a man of showing too much chest hair, or that his tight jeans cupped his bottom in such a way that he was “asking for it”.
What has any child victim ever worn to provoke sexual abuse?
I wonder how slutty catholic martyrs Maria Goretti, Antonia Messina and Pierina Morosini looked when they were all sexually assaulted and subsequently murdered for resisting?
Daisy – you are (deliberately?) misinterpreting my point. If somebody has already decided to rape, and is looking for a victim, is he more likely to choose somebody wearing little clothing? This is a simple question, and there should be some empirical data to shed light on it. Yet nobody on either side has bothered to search for evidence and we have seen knee jerk reactions that are motivated by emotion or by ideology. We do not serve women well by refusing to even discuss this issue! And please note – this doesn’t mean that women are asking for rape or are at fault or won’t be raped if they cover up. All of these arguments are rather silly and immature. It is a simple question – does provocative clothing make one statistically more likely to be raped? Unless one can produce empirical data to show that there is no connection, then the attacks on the priest are motivated by ideology and emotion.
Given that rape is not about sex, so much as power and bullying taken to the most savage extreme, I’d imagine the rapist looks for vulnerability and lack of confidence.
I’d imagine a confident woman might intimidate him, no matter how she dressed.
I’ve never heard a police officer or doctor propose that dress was a major factor.
Given the speed of other priests to shut this idiot up I find the accusation of ideology facile. His statement is stupid, immature, ignorant and dangerously attributing blame to victims for malicious and perverted viciousness.
Whatever about behaviour, dress can be no excuse. If so naturist beaches and less prudish societies where clothing is often optional would have higher incidences of rape.
Do you know of any evidence?
Damien: Yes, rape can often be about power and bullying, but can you really say that it is NEVER about sex? Much of the discussion here has revolved around random attacks. But what about date rape? Is that never about sex?
For some reason a bizarre knee jerk reaction kicks in whenever rape and dress and mentioned together. This does a massive disservice to women. Look – we are often told not to leave valuables visible in a car because this increases the risk of being robbed. This doesn’t imply that you deserve to be robbed or that it’s your fault that you get robbed. The thief is always to blame, but acting impudently can increase the likelihood of being the victim of a crime. The same seems likely to be true when it comes to dress and rape, yet it is just not politically correct to say it. Women pay the price for this political correctness.
Again, let me repeat – women are never to blame for rape. But, surely we have not reached a bizarre level of political correctness whereby we refuse to acknowledge that there are some behaviours that might just increase the likelihood of being victimised?
Hastily written and unedited my post may have been but it still doesn’t negate my point. It being that many on here will use this example of what a foolish priest says to bash men. And as for your “joke” about glassing me. You mightn’t say the same if you saw someone with broken glass sticking out of their face. Stay classy Jane.
The majority of rapes happen within the context of the woman knowing her attacker. This stereotype of roaming rapists is actually quite a small number of the rapes that occur. And if he set out “looking for a victim” then he is deranged.
In my experience its about a guy wanting to have sex and not liking the answer when the woman says no (possibly vice versa too – I can’t speak from a male point of view).
Nothing to do with what they’re wearing, all to do with a guy with an overly enlarged sense of entitlement..
All right, Tracy, let’s ignore the clothing/rape connection. Do women who are killed in domestic violence incidences also “ask for it” by not keeping their houses clean enough and providing enough home-cooked meals? Rape was not the only misfortune this priest implied women “ask for”.
Careful now….
Down with this sort of thing !!!!
Well if they just stayed in the kitchen like they were told to they wouldn’t have these problems. Sorry that was too far. Please thumbs down this at will, I deserve it.
And the church wonders why we don’t have any time for it !! Their HR department have got it wrong again with this lad !!!
What exactly did he say wrong?
EVERYTHING!
Are you comfortable with the implication that you are unable to control your sexual impulses and turn into a rapist when you see female flesh?
Because the idea that women’s dress invites rape is actually quite demeaning to men too.
Bit speculative, don’t you think?
This guy should be defrocked, quick and fast. As a man of God, he doesn’t have any business saying derogatory things against women and endagenring them through his stupid remarks which are downright descriminatory and prejudicial.
what God ? the all powerful, all seeing, kind,loving!!!! bull shit sort of God?
there is no God, just a lot of BS going around and around in a world dominated by the powerful to meet their own wants and needs.
red ticks welcome
The outrage is two-fold: it lets the rapists and sexists off the hook (and gives them an excuse) and the fact that men still think of women as servicing men’s homes (via toilet cleaning, etc) as if a man cannot clean up? This is part of the Slave mentality.
However, I do believe this priest inadvertently brings up a taboo topic: the “instinct” of men, which appears to be to grap women and rape them. That is what he is saying…that all men have an “instinct” to rape. I think women do, at times, dress inappropriately. I rarely see men trying to show off their body parts. The women are trying to attract men, but their “instinct” doesn’t have to mean dressing naked in public. Oops, there’s that “instinct” word again.
I guess humans are just a pack of animals after all. 8-9
See I think that’s insulting to men too. I have been raped, and for the record – I wasn’t dressed “provocatively” at the time, and neither was it a stranger in an alleyway – as with the majority of rapes, I knew my attacker.
Do I think all men have this instinct? No. I don’t think that little of men. I think that they are fully capable of restraining themselves, and the ones who can’t are thankfully a very small minority. It’s insulting to men to insinuate that they all somehow have an “instinct” to rape women..
This so-called ‘holy man’ needs a big steaming bowl of STFU.
Well that Italian priest sure knows how to spark a debate. An interesting aspect of the story is the elderly resident who suggested that the priest has a few secrets.
As for women and men – a woman – or man – should be able to walk naked and safe anywhere. I don’t think they should but that’s a different issue. Responsible men owe it to all women to respect and protect.
It is a serious sexual issue and the indications are that 80% are male on male in US.
This comment re 80% male on male abuse was a reply to a venomous and off topic comment now removed
I knew it was women. I just knew it.
Priests wear dresses with slits up the side when giving mass. Are they dressed provocatively? Are they asking to be raped?
priest-pederasts and abusers. Why did they do what they did? They knew the meaning of celibacy, of chastity, continence. They knew the importance of innocence in the young and the scars of scandal to the community. Ignorance is not an alibi if they attended any kind of theological school.If they knew what they were doing but could not control a compulsion to act out, then they were clearly sick same as anyone else who would engage in such an unlawful act at the end of the day its been in our society that women / men are so unattractive unless there pampered in todays world even men nowadays are a target of such acts . Our world has become sick and disturbed & this has been here for centurys but more reveled today as people have voices to speak out more so than 40 years ago . It has to be of high mental disturbance to committ such an act one someone Innocent weather it be an adult or a child there is no excuse .
Even if a person is naked it is ALWAYS the fault of the perpetrator! What about choir boys was it their fault for the way they were dressed?
All I can say is AMEN. This behavior will continue to alienate the catholic church from its adherents, and minimize the influence that they have on people.
I suppose all those children molested by priests had it coming as well… Wearing they’re provocative little choir robes and whatnot. This just further proves that the Catholic Church is a festering scab on the earth.
This is the oldest male lie in the book prpegated by the oldest male dominated religion in the world.
Shame on them!
What an incredible disgusting comment from a priest. Respect, respect is what women want… and dressing up to feel good has nothing to do with rape or inviting rape. All the good men out there, please take a stand for your sisters, daughters, girlfriends…. That priest is really sexually frustrated and therefore very dangerous.
Hey “Father” Corsi, were the all alter boys that sexually molested and raped by the roman catholic clergy wearing sexually provacotive clothing?
Your counseling duties need to be revoked. I do find Priest to be judgemental, but to make a statement such as yours is uncalled for and disgusting. Do you also think the young woman in India who was riding a bus minding her own business deserved to be raped and murdered by a gang of men beast? hmmm. Perhaps you should be the man who irons the cloth not the man who wears it.
the priest is right. these poor brainwashed girls end up with low back tattoos and gonorrhea. also,m if they lisiten to the feminists idiots the young ladies will end up 40, single, infertile, childless, unhappy, on prozac, bankrupt 401k, just got dumped by _”fiancee” for yuonger hotter babe with suicide as next best option. very said.
and they could be happy if they could just be normal and have babies and not be sluts.
Really..
Maybe men should just learn to control themselves? No? After all, they are the ones committing the crime..
But I guess you would prefer women to be subservient – after all you state you have issues with feminism, the aim of which is gender equality.
Where does your hatred for women come from? Were you rejected? I would hazard a guess with that attitude you don’t have a girlfriend (or at least, one who actually *wants* to be with you).
And to assume that all women are is baby factories..
Your attitude and words here reveal a lot about you. I feel sorry for any woman who crosses your path, or has already.
Id imagine that any women who crossed his path are buried in the wicklow mountains somewhere.
ok what about male rapes or child rape , were they asking for it too. how dare they blame women. what about women wearing long skirts or trousers , NO ONE ASKS FOR IT !!
Amazingly, this priest simply personified the REAL cause of rape and violence against women… OBJECTIFICATION. His own words display he views women as objects of domestication and not human beings. Why should a woman not be self-sufficient? Why not any mature human being? I will agree to a point that women also need to take some of their grace back. While not the cause of rape, sex is the trigger. I am a person who is saddened by women and girls who dress provocatively because they’re only helping to support society’s views towards them as sexual objects, although maybe subconsciously. However, responsibility equally lies on men to control their own impulses, including dissatisfaction with cleaning and laundry. In the long run, if you don’t want to be objectified, don’t objectify yourself. Personal responsibility goes a long way towards change.
who the hell does he think he is? this little bigoted back water priest? We are worse to take any notice of his ramblings
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