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Socialising in cafes, pubs and restaurants will carry plenty more risks than before. Shutterstock/Michele Ursi

Close encounters: As the country gets busier, how do you know if you're a Covid-19 contact?

Contacting tracing is going to become increasingly important as bars and cafes re-open.

THE QUESTION OF ‘Who are you meeting?’ will take on a greater significance in the weeks, months and possibly years to come as Covid-19 requires a greater policing and recording of who exactly we meet. 

Yet this week the question wasn’t of who people meet, but where. With some pubs set to re-open at the end of the month, alongside cafes and other dining establishments, the regulations governing socialising attracted widespread attention. 

On Wednesday evening, Fáilte Ireland published a finalised set of guidelines for the re-opening of pubs and restaurants, with one requirement stating that seating time for a group will be for a maximum of 105 minutes. Fifteen minutes will then be allocated after this period to allow for the area to be cleaned and a new group seated.

Pubs will also be permitted to impose one-metre social distancing in some cases, if a two-metre distance is not possible. 

The stipulation that triggered most discussion was over meals, with pubs told that to re-open meals will have to be “substantial” and cost at least €9 – a requirement that will remain in place until 20 July, when pubs that don’t serve food are allowed reopen. 

But once the country gets used to the rules, it could be who you’re sharing that meal with – or who else is eating near you – that really matters. 

Close contact

Healthcare staff have become very familiar with the language of “close contact” and “casual contact” during the crisis, as numbers of cases racked up among HSE and healthcare workers. 

Staff have become accustomed to being told that they were a close contact or a casual contact of someone diagnosed with Covid-19 – although many staff, if they remained asymptomatic, were told to stay at work to avoid major pressures on wards and hospitals. 

In the months and weeks to come, a passing familiarity with HSE rules on contacts may become important for us all. HSE guidance, published at the end of last month, defines a close contact as: 

Anyone who has spent more than 15 minutes, face-to-face, within two metres of a person with coronavirus in any setting, for example, anyone living in the same household, or someone who has shared a closed space with a confirmed case for more than two hours.

What does this mean for someone sitting inside a socially distanced pub or restaurant in the coming weeks?

It’s hard to say. The outbreaks we’ve seen in Seoul in South Korea and, more recently, in Beijing in China, saw authorities chase to trace and isolate contacts of confirmed cases. 

The situation in Seoul is particularly relevant, since it showed the strain that can be placed on a contact tracing system once socialising returns to nearly normal. Back in May, Seoul’s mayor said 85 infections were linked to the outbreak, with health workers trying to contact more than 3,000 people of the 5,500 who visited certain nightspots.

But Korean nightclubs are very different to most Irish bars and it doesn’t necessarily follow that if a fellow diner or drinker turned out to be Covid-19 positive that you’d have to self-isolate. 

Prof Joe Barry, from the School of Medicine in Trinity College Dublin, has concerns about the pace of re-opening bars. 

“Whatever way you look at it, it will be risky. Pubs, by and large, tend to be packed. You go to them to meet people,” he said. 

However, he says public health guidelines are often not an “exact science”. 

“It’s sort of a spectrum. The closer you are to somebody else, the higher the risk,” he told TheJournal.ie. 

He says that every single outbreak would have to be looked at on a case-by-case basis to determine who might need to be contacted and who might need to isolate. 

Context

What might public health experts consider when trying to work out who qualifies as a close contact? Time, clearly, will be crucial. 

The guidance states that a close contact is someone who “has shared a closed space with a confirmed case for more than two hours”.

Given that the latest guidance from Fáilte Ireland has said the longest time you can spend inside a re-opened pub come the end of June is 105 minutes, that might suggest many people inside at separate tables would not be treated as close contacts – that’s certainly the point of physical distancing. 

However, public health teams will likely also try to consider issues like ventilation – is there a flow of air in the pub setting, or is it an enclosed space?

Additionally, did the infected person come into prolonged contact with anyone beyond the people they shared a table with? The size and shape of the pub might also be considered. 

How do you find out?

As the country gets busier again and our circle of contacts widen, some risks will increase. However, you only need to restrict your movement if a contact tracer contacts you to let you know you’re a close contact

There is no need to worry otherwise. 

Back in May, the country had been promised that a contact-tracing that would “augment” the process. So far, it hasn’t yet materialised. Other countries, such as Germany, have pioneered apps to supplement the process, while in the UK fierce rows have been taking place over the failure to rapidly develop a technological solution. 

In Ireland, it seems as if you’re most likely to be contacted by a human for the time being.

If you are designated as a close contact, alongside restricting your movements for 14 days, you will be referred for a Covid-19 test. But even if your test is negative, you’ll still have to restrict your movements.

Beyond that, you should monitor yourself to see if you develop any coronavirus symptoms. If you do develop symptoms, self-isolate and phone your GP. 

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    Mute Seamus Hughes
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    Jan 17th 2012, 1:10 PM

    Noonan Central Bank et al please stay the hell away from our credit unions! Only a few years ago you denied them ATM machines because the banks asked you to! You don’t get to cream off of them for ridiculous cloans (crony loans…new word :) They and the GAA are our two national successes because of governments limited input. If they are in trouble please don’t help! as I’m sure there would be a dark payback down the line.

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    Mute Bernadette Dunne
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    Jan 17th 2012, 2:49 PM

    Here here they look after the ordinary person Government we are telling you back off and hands off our CREDIT UNION

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    Mute Frances Kawala
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    Jan 17th 2012, 1:19 PM

    When the Gov’t tells you everything’s all right, that’s the time to start worrying . . .

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    Jan 17th 2012, 1:18 PM

    Noonan: People should ‘rest easy’ about credit unions

    Well if mister noonan said it then there’s nothing to worry about. And pigs will fly :)

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    Jan 17th 2012, 1:18 PM

    I hope he hasn’t just given our credit unions the kiss of death !!!

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    Mute Gordon Lucas
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    Jan 17th 2012, 1:45 PM

    It’s not the Credit Unions I’m worried about… it’s the corrupt interests of our defunct Central Bank meddling with them. It’s a little bit late to be worried about regulation now….
    Remember Neary’s assurance! He got a nice amount of shut-up money for his expertise at being strategically incompetent.

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    Mute Noddy Mooney
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    Jan 17th 2012, 1:43 PM

    And we should believe a proven liar because…

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    Mute Bernadette Dunne
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    Jan 17th 2012, 2:55 PM

    Yea believe a liar is right we believe every word out of their mouths …… As lies, lies and more lies
    I wish that we could sack these liars charge the whole lot if them and have them &@@@@@@ locked up and the keys thrown and kept on dry bread and water …. But then I wake up and know I was dreaming and my nightmare is real the @@@@@@@ are making a bigger mess each hour of everyday

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    Jan 17th 2012, 1:41 PM

    Groundhog day. How many times in 08 were ‘rest easy’ assurances given about the banks – the ‘best capitalised’ in Europe according to the Financial Regulator at the time. When will the government respect the people and realise not all of us are either dense or gullible? Whenever an Irish minister gives a positive opinion on the financial sector, it should be packaged with a health warning. How many other credit union branches are on the edge, that is what the savers want to know.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 2:08 PM

    Up and down the country in small towns there are management committees bricking it as to whether they will get money back from maybe 5, 10 or 20 “small time developers/builders” who they have lent money to. Add into these the normal provisions that they have to make for general arrears (which are rising) and some are probably getting very close to the edge. Newbridge is not going to be the last here. the problem is no one still knows why the special manager was put in apart from some fuddy duddy stuff about regulator issues which covers a mulititude.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 1:44 PM

    It’s no surprise that the credit unions are on trouble. Once you had a few bob saved with them they let any body take out a loan. Unfortunately they are a complete soft touch to regards to getting the money they are owed back..and people just took them for a ride

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    Jan 17th 2012, 1:59 PM

    Mark, you know nothing about Credit Unions. They have a much lower right off rate compared to banks on like for like loans such as car or holiday loans, when you include mortgage and business loans in banks, then banks have a right off rate about 20 times of credit unions

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    Jan 17th 2012, 1:45 PM

    And the blood transfusion service was fit for purpose as well !!

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    Mute Ciaro
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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:27 PM

    The credit unions are well funded, we have turned the corner…. Sounds familiar!

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    Mute Devrajan Srinivasan
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    Jan 17th 2012, 2:49 PM

    Michael, would you please search in Google for ” tsb hanna foley” and tell us that we can believe you?

    Cheers

    The Common Informer

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    Jan 17th 2012, 9:06 PM

    Noonan get lost!

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    Mute LoyalIrish Citizen
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    Jan 17th 2012, 2:12 PM

    I would rest easy about everything if so called Irish Governments had not been falsifying the rule books of Ireland over 8300 times since 1922 to use opinions.

    There are no opinions in mathematics and the department of finance has some peculiar questions to answer at a later date.

    Most public servants do not work out when they have an opinions and when they do not, let alone how to apply opinions in mathematics when you can’t.

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    Mute Jay funk
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    Jan 17th 2012, 2:27 PM

    Why is every comment from you about “opinions” you make no sense to anyone except you

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    Mute LoyalIrish Citizen
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    Jan 17th 2012, 3:55 PM

    @Jay funk: The purpose of opinions in law is to commit crime and hide the details allowing them and there cronies to avoid prosecution.

    When it comes to stealing from social welfare recipients to hide their economic mistakes it will be treason and crimes against humanity.

    How could this not worry you?

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    Mute Réada Quinn
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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:35 PM

    If you could be more specific we might understand you. It’s good to be loyal but better to be understood.

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    Mute Jay funk
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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:10 PM

    @loyal most people don’t understand legal speak and I’m sure some of your points are valid but make them in plain English when on a general news site and you might be more effective

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    Mute LoyalIrish Citizen
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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:11 PM

    @Réada Quinn: An opinion by definition is about hiding the specific details.

    What’s hard to understand?

    What do you want me to specific about?

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    Mute LoyalIrish Citizen
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    Jan 17th 2012, 8:09 PM

    @Jay funk: You don’t have to be trained in law to work out opinions hide details.

    Can you have an opinion on a book you have never read? The answer is no. You have to read a book first. There are over 5 Million books in Ireland. Who do you know will read 5 Million books? Nobody. If you read 4 books a week you read 12, 480 books in a life time from the age of 10 until 70. Compare 12,480 to 5,000,000 means that 99 percent of the time you do not have opinions. What is an opinion that does not exist? Nobody knows. How do you obey law with opinions that do not exist? You can’t. All they do with opinions in law is to falsify everything and commit crime.

    All you have to do is sit down and ask yourself a few questions about opinions. When do you have opinions and when do you not. Its not that difficult.

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