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'I am struggling': How home carers became the forgotten frontline workers of the pandemic

Part one of Noteworthy’s in-depth investigation shows that many carers took a pay hit and felt unsupported during the Covid-19 crisis.

“WE DON’T KNOW from month to month if we are going to get paid for [cancelled] hours.”  

Ellen McNamee is a home carer in the not-for-profit sector who works with both older people and people with disabilities. The worry over getting paid for clients who cancelled their care has affected her and her colleagues over the past few months, with many experiencing a significant drop in their paycheck.  

“We have had to wait for a letter or text message from our job.”  Even this month, with two clients cancelled, McNamee doesn’t know if she will be compensated for these lost hours.  

This is due to the nature of their contracts, she explained, as hours are not guaranteed from week to week. As a SIPTU shop steward, she speaks regularly to other carers in the sector.  

“I had girls crying. We still have bills and mortgages to pay. It was worrying. Carers in the community were keeping clients out of hospital but we were forgotten about.” 

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Over the past number of weeks, Noteworthy has taken a deep dive into the home care sector. In the first of our three-part investigation, we show that many carers took a pay hit and felt unsupported by their companies during the pandemic. We reveal: 

  • Carers experienced significant income loss due to Covid-19 in spite of the HSE agreeing to pay providers for the months when the pandemic peaked.
  • There were significant issues with access to enhanced personal protective equipment (PPE) in the sector, with some carers not receiving face masks until May – and some being told by employers to buy masks themselves.
  • Some reports of lack of support for those caring for clients with suspected or confirmed Covid-19. A number of carers told Noteworthy that they were not advised that their client was suspected to have the virus, meaning some became close contacts without being given the option of taking this risk.
  • An estimated half of undocumented live-in carers, employed by private families, worked more hours with no extra pay, with some reporting no breaks or days off for the duration of the lockdown.
  • Family carers continue to worry about the restoration of home care and other health services. 

In part two of the investigation, we examine the pay and conditions of these vital frontline workers, as well as the profits made by providers. Finally, in part three, we will reveal the impact that lack of regulation is having on home care and assess the future of the sector.  

Loss of pay in spite of public funding to providers 

Unlike in nursing homes, the home care sector did not have a crisis in terms of virus spread, but a major problem that impacted the entire sector was the loss of clients who were advised to cocoon.  

Some carers told Noteworthy that they experienced significant income loss due to Covid-19 either due to cancelled hours or having to self isolate after being a close contact of a client who tested positive. This is in spite of the HSE agreeing to pay providers who had to isolate as a result of their work.  

Cancellation of clients had a huge impact on providers, according to Joseph Musgrave, chief executive of the representative body for private for-profit providers, Home and Community Care Ireland (HCCI). HCCI represents around 80 providers in Ireland who care for 20,000 people and employ 10,000 carers.  

We had 4,000 clients suspend their care on the week of 12 April. That’s huge and impacts every element of our service.

This was made more problematic due to the current home care structure, explained Musgrave. “The way carers are paid and the way the HSE pays providers is for every hour of care delivered. So if you’re not delivering an hour of care, then you don’t get paid.” 

A spokesperson for the HSE said it “engaged extensively” with both HCCI and NCCN – the National Community Care Network who represent voluntary not-for-profit providers – throughout the pandemic.  

It initially “agreed to pay providers an agreed rate in respect of clients who were cancelling their service from 13 March”. During this time, providers were only paid for the first two days when a client self-isolated

Subsequently this policy was revised from the start of April and providers were “paid at 01 March levels of service to end May 2020”. Payments reverted to “normal service arrangements” from the start of June.  

However, these payments were not always passed on to carers, though it appears that most providers did pass on as much pay as they could to their staff. Musgrave said that with so many clients suddenly cancelling in March, providers may have thought that if they passed on cancellation payments to staff, they may not have been able to stay in business by the end of the month.

“Providers were saying: ‘I’m losing far more money than the HSE is paying me and I’ve got all my overheads, staff still on the books’,” he added. Though it appears that most providers did pass on as much pay as they could to carers. 

Because of this, “some providers paid their carers in March and took the hit but some couldn’t do that”.

Musgrave explained a different system was implemented in April which meant that the HSE would “pay the average of what you were being paid before the pandemic and that means you would continue to pay your carers”.  

Providers were also unable to plan ahead as the new policy in April was initially only for a short period and then it was renewed, explained Musgrave. “It was very confusing and complicated.” 

In terms of the April and May payment, Musgrave said that his “understanding is that most HCCI members did pass on as much pay as they could to carers” but he added that he couldn’t speak for non-HCCI members.  

We asked the top five HSE funded for-profit private home care providers if they passed on these HSE payments to their carers if their hours were cut. These five companies are all members of HCCI. Here are their responses:  

This table can also be viewed here.

A number of carers from Home Instead Senior Care told Noteworthy that they experienced income loss over the course of the pandemic. This for-profit provider received the most HSE funding over the past number of years, with €55.5 million paid to them in 2019.  

“All Home Instead CAREGivers are paid for the work they do,” according to the provider, who also stated: “As you can appreciate, the home care sector has experienced challenges over the last number of months and we have worked closely with the HSE to continue to provide care for vulnerable seniors in our community.” 

Emily*, a carer for Home Instead in the West of Ireland, said that because one of her clients had suspected Covid-19, her work was limited to that one client for over two weeks while awaiting the test results. Her income dropped significantly to €80 per week because of this. 

“I wasn’t entitled to any Covid payment,” she said, and has not, as yet, received any compensation for those lost hours. The test subsequently came back negative so she could return to her other clients.  

However, other carers were treated differently. Megan*, a home carer based in Dublin who works for a Dublin branch of the same private provider, said that she was paid her normal wage when looking after a client who had coronavirus, even though her hours were cut as she couldn’t look after her other clients. 

In a statement to Noteworthy, Home Instead said: 

“As part of the national response to Covid-19, the HSE put a nationwide agreement in place with homecare providers to deal with the challenges posed by the pandemic. This included provision of care not previously anticipated, cancellations, redeployment or alterations to scheduled care, and other responsive requirements.  While this had some operational and income impacts both on our overall business and CAREGivers, these impacts were minimised.”

Carers told to ‘buy face masks’ 

Healthcare workers made up over 30% of reported cases of Covid-19 in Ireland, which equates to over 8,400 cases to date. There were over 2,200 cases reported in healthcare assistants (HCAs) in all settings. 

The Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC) told Noteworthy that, as of 18 July, “51 cases were reported as working as home care workers”. It also reported “there have been no Covid-19 notified deaths in home care workers”.  

It listed the number of outbreaks, clusters and associated deaths within the home care sector:  

The HPSC has advised that ten Covid-19 clusters have been notified which were associated with home care workers and/or their clients (2,282 outbreaks in total have been notified). A total of 52 Covid-19 cases are linked to these outbreaks. Of the 52 cases, 17 were reported as healthcare workers. There have been a total of six notified deaths associated with these clusters.

In comparison, there were almost 270 clusters associated with nursing homes and over 170 at residential institutions during the same time period. 

Toward the start of the pandemic, when Emily was caring for a client with suspected coronavirus, she wasn’t supplied with any extra PPE. This was true for a number of carers who contacted Noteworthy.  

When they were informed of this by Noteworthy, a spokesperson for the provider said: “From the outset of the pandemic, Home Instead Senior Care has adhered in full to the HSE, NPHET and HPSC guidelines”.

The HPSC did not advise home carers to wear masks unless their client had confirmed Covid-19 before new guidance was issued on 22 April. Between 17 March and that date, its guidance stated:  

This guidance DOES NOT RECOMMEND use of surgical face masks in situations other than for contact with patients with droplet transmitted infection including COVID-19. 

The care workers that Noteworthy spoke to were all given plastic aprons and gloves prior to the pandemic and this continued to be the only PPE for many when Covid-19 cases were increasing in Ireland at the end of March and during April. Most said when they asked about this, their employer cited HSE guidance which had not recommended masks at the time. 

Some were told by their employers that they could “buy face masks themselves”, without offering a reimbursement, but carers said this was not plausible due to both supply and cost.  

In April, HCA and Carers Ireland found that 44% of carers and healthcare assistants they surveyed only had access to either an apron, gloves or both, with 3% having no PPE at all. At that time just over half of carers were using face masks.  

This issue was not unique to the private sector and it also impacted the HSE and nonprofits. In the early days of the pandemic, HSE workers had to buy their own masks and gloves, according to Marie Butler, healthcare assistants’ sector organiser for SIPTU, though this issue seems to have now leveled out somewhat, she added.  

On the recommendation of the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET), the HPSC issued new guidance on 22 April on the use of surgical masks in healthcare settings which included recommendations for home carers to wear face masks to protect against Covid-19.  

HCCI’s Musgrave was concerned about where the private sector was going to source face masks. He said:

Ten days went by [after the guidance was issued] and we heard nothing, despite many calls and emails about what was going to happen.

“Eventually, after some debate, the HSE decided they were going to supply the entire sector with face masks,” he added. 

Since these were not included in the service agreements for HSE contracts, the HSE subsequently agreed to provide “enhanced PPE” which included face masks to private and nonprofit providers. The HSE told Noteworthy that “every effort is made to ensure appropriate PPE is available to ensure continued provision of home support service, especially to those clients with higher priority needs”. 

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Noteworthy has seen emails from one large home care provider showing that it wasn’t until mid-May that the masks arrived in their office and could be distributed to carers, meaning that many home carers worked through the peak of the pandemic in Ireland without them.  

Though there were a number of problems initially with access to enhanced PPE for suspected and confirmed cases, this “stabilised relatively quickly without too many problems” towards the end of April due to the low amount of the virus in the sector, recalled Musgrave. “If that had spiked, it would have been a huge issue, but thankfully it didn’t.”  

HCA and Carers Ireland conducted a private survey recently, after the pandemic had peaked. With over 1,100 respondents, they found that in the private sector the majority of carers are now getting access to sufficient PPE.  

Public health and HSE advice was followed at all times, according to a spokesperson from Comfort Keepers. They added that their “carers have been equipped with the correct levels of PPE to do their job at all times”. 

Comfort Keepers have always provided PPE to our staff and when advanced PPE was advised by Public Health which included masks, masks were provided to all staff.

“PPE was provided at no cost to our staff in order to help keep not only them safe, but our customers safe too,” according to Bluebird Care UK, which took over the Irish franchise in June. A spokesperson said it was “a little tricky to comment” on earlier months but added the approaches taken by the UK company, were “often replicated” in Ireland.

Caremark Ireland said that “masks are provided to all staff at no cost since public health guidance was issued [regarding] same”. Home Instead, Irish Homecare and Comfort Keepers also said they provide PPE to their staff at no cost.

Regarding the provision of face masks, John Florence, chief executive of Irish Homecare, said they “followed public health advice at all times and masks were made available to all staff from March”. He added:

Where carers had bought masks themselves, we provided full reimbursement, so that none of them were out of pocket. We continue to take this approach today.

Training during Covid-19 was also mentioned by the providers we contacted. Bluebird Care “invested heavily in protecting both our staff and customers and also in additional training” and Comfort Keepers “provided new Covid-19 infection control training, extra refresher training and online courses to ensure PPE was being used correctly”. 

‘Selfcare is not allowed’ 

Mental health has been raised as an issue across all sections of society during the pandemic, with issues such as lack of PPE adding to this.  

Suspected and positive cases of Covid-19 were particularly stressful experiences for home carers that contacted Noteworthy. A number of carers recounted experiences of not knowing their client had suspected or confirmed coronavirus.  

Her client was hospitalised and diagnosed with Covid-19. Since she was in such close contact, Noreen had to isolate and missed work for two weeks. She later tested negative for the virus.  

“The HSE provided mental health support that was open to all healthcare workers,” said Metcalfe of HCA and Carers Ireland, but added it is unclear what assistance was provided by private companies.  

“In terms of the mental health of our carers, we are very aware of the impact that the pandemic has on people,” said Florence of Irish Homecare. He added:

We made contact with every single one of our carers and asked them if they were happy to work through the pandemic. Most of our carers have now returned to work and are happy with the supports we have provided. 

A welfare and wellness programme was implemented by Comfort Keepers “which included daily and weekly welfare check-ins” as well as other supports such as a hardship fund and access to an employee assistance programme. “Support, guidance and training” was provided to all caregivers, according to a spokesperson for Home Instead. 

“We take the wellbeing and mental health of all our staff seriously,” said Caremark who said support is available 24/7. Bluebird Care in the UK, which now owns the Irish franchise, told Noteworthy that from a network-wide survey it conducted their “businesses were supporting their teams exceptionally well, despite the circumstances”.

An interactive version of this graph can be found here.

HCAs and carers were already stressed before the pandemic, according to a joint study released by HCA and Carers Ireland as well as UCD earlier this year. It found that 31% of those working in home care reported significant stress or distress. Private sector home carers had a marginally higher level of distress.   

“Selfcare is not allowed within many private sector settings,” the study found. Carers struggle after the death of a client as well as due to workload. This results in carers being “at risk of recurrent burnout”, with many “becoming addicted to nicotine, caffeine and negative health risks”. 

‘Afraid to voice what we want’

One group of private carers whose conditions worsened during the pandemic were live-in carers, many of whom are undocumented migrant workers in Ireland. 

A recent survey by the Migrant Rights Centre Ireland (MRCI) found that almost 60% of respondents, who were mainly employed by private families, were working more hours since the Covid-19 crisis hit but over 50% were not getting paid for extra hours.  

Over 30% of the carers were working seven days a week and the average working time reported was 77 hours, well above the maximum average working of 48 hours. 

Ten carers surveyed reported working 24/7 and Linda Keitasha, care community development officer at MRCI, said that this is because they were on duty with no relief from other carers or family members who would usually help out. “These women, 12 weeks in, were not getting a day off and weren’t getting paid extra,” she explained. 

An interactive version of this graph can be found here.

Getting paid between €400 and €550 per week with such high working hours “with no real working conditions, entitlements or clear breaks”, means that many of these carers are working for multiples below the minimum wage, according to Keitasha.   

One undocumented carer in this position was Gwen* who is from the Philippines and has been working in Ireland for a number of years to support her family at home. She had no breaks over a 15-week period during the pandemic and was on duty 24/7.  

“It’s really hard especially when we are the only two here all night and day.” Gwen normally had the weekend off but the family member who normally helped out worked on the frontline so could not care for their older relative. “I understand as their [relative] has an underlying illness,” she explained.  

“They only paid me for the week days and not the [extra] two days,” she explained. “They promised me that after Covid, they will give me a holiday for a week.” She isn’t sure if she will get paid for this break yet either. 

Undocumented workers find it difficult to raise issues of pay and conditions with their employers, according to Keitasha. She explained “it’s an area where huge exploitation occurs”, adding there is often a power imbalance between live-in carers as they can fear being reported or sent home.  

Gwen said she is “ashamed to say they should pay me for the two [extra] days [per week] because they’re very good so I don’t want to complain about my salary”. 

She hopes that the new Government will hear their voice and “give us a permanent regularisation so we can live here”.  

This is what the MRCI wants for the estimated 20,000 undocumented migrants in Ireland, said Keitasha. The pandemic highlighted how important “essential workers are but after Covid is long gone, they will be forgotten about”.  

The Programme for Government committed to “create new pathways for long-term undocumented people and their dependents meeting specified criteria to regularise their status within 18 months of the formation of the Government”. A spokesperson for the Department of Justice told Noteworthy that “a policy paper on the matter is being drafted by the Department at the present time”.  

Family carers severely impacted  

Family carers, who provide regular care to friends or family members, are another group of carers that has been severely impacted by the pandemic, according to Catherine Cox from Family Carers Ireland, an organisation who both advocates for family carers as well as a not for profit home care provider.  

This was due to the withdrawal of supports such as home care, respite and day care as well as reduced support from extended family members. A survey by the organisation during the pandemic found that one in three family carers experienced a reduction or cancellation in home care services. 

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Aisling Harmon cares for her mother who has Parkinson’s having previously also looked after her father who died three years ago. She feels that family carers have “never been more invisible” than they are now.  

Access to services that “give you that bit of light at the end of your tunnel” such as the physio or speech and language visits became unavailable. These changes have also been “frightening for those who are cared for”, Harmon added.  

The HSE told Noteworthy that due to the pandemic it “had to reassess its operation of Home Support Services, to ensure that the needs of those client’s with the highest priority” were met. The HSE will continue “to restore services over the coming weeks”. 

‘Home has been a safe place’ 

Although there were many problems in the home care sector over the past number of months in terms of protection of workers, it had a lower number of outbreaks and cases compared to nursing homes.  

This was “one of the success stories of the pandemic, if you could call it that”, said Marie Butler, healthcare assistants’ sector organiser for SIPTU.  

HCCI’s Musgrave said this shows that “home has been a safe place to care for people but it is still a very vulnerable population”. He said that about half of the clients that tested positive for the virus needed to be hospitalised.  

“This is in stark contrast to congregated care settings where if you have a lot of vulnerable people in a small place, unfortunately it’s a difficult place to control the virus.”

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Some of the issues explored in this article are exacerbated by a lack of regulation in the sector, according to many experts. In part three of this investigation, Noteworthy will delve into this issue by examining what’s in store for the future of the sector. But first, in part two, we examine the pay and conditions of these vital frontline workers, as well as the profits made by providers.

*Names have been changed due to requested anonymity 

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This investigation was carried out by Maria Delaney of Noteworthy. It was proposed and funded by you, our readers, as well as with support from the Noteworthy general fund

Due to the volume of issues raised by carers about the home care sector when they answered our call-out, we decided to expand the investigation into a three-part series. If you would like to help towards the cost of this additional work, please support the general fund here.

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    Mute peter king
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:04 PM

    People were only appointed to regulatory bodies if there were considered sound by FF. They weren’t there to regulate. There only job was to not rock the boat and collect a massive wage.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:19 PM

    So enda tell me this,you were the leader of the opposition party all these years and you saw and head all decisions been made why didnt you challenge them but you were enjoying every bit of the what ever was going and now your pretending you just arrive from the moon and know nothing about the last 10years…as the leader of a party it was your job to challenge any decision you think will put this country in danger but you didnt and now we are paying for that because you still have your house,cars,holidays etc while most families are force to give up the norm to make sure they can put food on the table..

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    Apr 21st 2013, 6:20 PM

    Regulate bankers pay by keeping cap at 500k which is still OTT rather than allowing BOI salary to pass 840k this wed at AGM

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    Apr 21st 2013, 7:14 PM

    @stayfrostynatty Well said!!! I’m glad to see someone else has their finger on the pulse! You hit the nail on the head. Enda Kenny, is at the moment proving not only is he and his Party useless in opposition…….but in power also! I mean seriously…..where were these guy’s, when people had 150% mortgages shoved in their face? People today should not be falling for that sh1t from Kenny et al. that they were helpless – in opposition. It really suck’s of complicity and that includes FG.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 9:55 PM

    No cap on bankers pay.
    Cap bank size … we need at least 14 banks for our economy.
    Then any bank management that screws up is simply left to fail.
    No bank big enough to be systemically critical.
    No bank allowed to loan to both seller AND purchaser
    … developer AND house purchaser…. daft!
    Proper metrics for banks …very difficult to do in practice….need really smart guys in CB!!!

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    Apr 21st 2013, 11:00 PM

    A la taxi regulator,Deering,Doyle,Murphy,Creegan et al.

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    Apr 22nd 2013, 12:27 AM

    R Neuville – What a great suggestion. I never thought about it like that before. It seems silly to cap salary as I think the market in normal circumstances should decide that. I read a Richard Branson book recently and in it he explained how he always kept dividing Virgin into different companies because if one part failed it wouldn’t bring the whole thing down with it, hence protecting the bottom line of the company and also jobs within the company as a whole. He pointed this out in terms of his failed virgin cola business in the states when they went up against Coca Cola. It’s a different industry I know but I still think you make a great point. You should try get in contact with the powers that be in terms of regulation. I’m serious.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:03 PM

    Its well documented who exactly changed the regulations in regards banking – to suit his Drumcondra Mafia mates to ride roughshod over the banks (…and lets not forget those in the “Golden Circle” too) – so when are we going to see him held accountable?

    Is Kenny going to just talk the talk – and not walk the actual walk?
    More words – followed up by bugger all actions?

    Now let me guess….

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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:28 PM

    LOL Ride roughshod over the banks

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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:28 PM

    Bit of Icelandic type justice for these gougers!

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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:06 PM

    We need a new constitution, a new start and a review of all state pensions past,present and future. Rewards only with accountability,no more automatic “entitlements”.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:11 PM

    You need to have authority in order to regulate. The banks have already given 2 fingers to the government a number of times on a variety of issues. Reports aren’t going to change that attitude!

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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:52 PM

    @ ag_macnamh

    Your right – only lengthy prison sentences will help!

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    Apr 21st 2013, 6:43 PM

    He also meant his failure in regulation and rules has cost the people of Ireland much.

    Convenient he forgot that !!

    And I have noticed Enda has put a few pounds around the waist area , he’d want to push back from the table a bit and learn to say NO

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    Apr 21st 2013, 6:48 PM

    Biggins 31
    Yeah let’s just get all the Bankers in senior positions during the collapse and give them a standard ten year jail term and for the CEO’s we can add five years plus hard labour. It doesn’t matter whether they have broken any laws or not because it will make us feel better. Sure we can always write some retrospective legislations to cover the situation. While we’re at it we should confiscate all private pensions over fifty thousand a year and prevent such people from having access to Contributory pensions. Furthermore front line employees such as nurses and firemen and ambulance drivers and teachers should have their tax free allowances tripled because of their work and their Health Insurance should provided free of charge!

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    Apr 21st 2013, 8:39 PM

    If just 1% of what you jokingly mentioned was implemented on the guilty in those positions by this government, yes it would make the people feel like there was some justice, but the politicians and bankers at the top are all buddies, point me out a banker that says he is not a FG\FF voter and I’ll show you a liar.

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    Apr 22nd 2013, 8:48 AM

    Kenny and his buddies aint going to rock the boat, because one day they will be back in opposition again, it’s all a game to them TDs, as the great Sir Humphry Appleby (yes minister) said politicians love activity it’s a great substitute for achievement.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:32 PM

    The primary regulator was the Central Bank of Ireland. It’s upper officials were royally and lavishly entertained by the Irish Bankers Federation at private dinners. The watch dog was made into a lapdog. The dog was so over fed and so wined that it was not able to bark, it could merely licked the hands of the Bankers in gratitude.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 10:56 PM

    Well said Peter!

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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:01 PM

    “better regulation is central to recovery”

    No need for any more austerity then edna.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:01 PM

    I thought Enda said “we all went mad borrowing” was the cause, depends who he’s talking to I suppose. If we actually got 6% tax off the multinationals laundering money thru Ireland it would solve our deficit problem. This 3 minute clip on Ireland’s money laundering is interesting.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcnTdO47p0Q

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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:02 PM

    I thought Enda said “we all went mad borrowing” was the cause, depends who he’s talking to I suppose. If we actually got 6% tax off the multinationals laundering money thru Ireland it would solve our deficit problem. This 3 minute clip on Ireland’s money laundering is interesting.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:03 PM

    I thought Enda said “we all went mad borrowing” was the cause, depends who he’s talking to I suppose. If we actually got 6% tax off the multinationals laundering money thru Ireland it would solve our deficit problem.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:04 PM

    We all went mad borrowing??

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    Apr 21st 2013, 8:29 PM

    He also said ‘it wasn’t our fault’….the man doesn’t realise what he’s saying half the time.

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    Mute Rob Cunningham
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    Apr 21st 2013, 9:15 PM

    Pity you didn’t raise this issue when in opposition! And now you’re costing us more.

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    Mute Gerry Ryan deG
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    Apr 22nd 2013, 12:23 AM

    Wish they would stop looking over the shoulder for someone to blame and get on with what they promised to do.
    Enda is entering territory now that will destroy his legacy and that of this Govt.
    An opportunity was given to them and they have fcudk it up

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    Apr 22nd 2013, 12:32 AM

    He’s right on both counts to be fair! We all went mad borrowing and things were not regulated correctly. Not sure why anyone has a problem with either of those statements really.

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    Mute MrKnow
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:04 PM

    If he got a euro for every lie and promise he broke, he would be able to bail out Ireland himself and still have change left.

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    Mute Thomond Park
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:08 PM

    Elderfield jumped ship so fast that he left €100,000 behind.

    Either Elderfield knows something about criminality or he knows whats coming down the line.

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    Mute Peter Richardson
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:19 PM

    Elderfield says he does not want to be an Englishman in Ireland presiding over a policy which will result in mass repossessions of Irish homes , which he says will be called evictions.

    He is getting out before the major crisis arrives.

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    Mute Brian Meleady
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    Apr 21st 2013, 11:02 PM

    Savills aren’t too bothered about working in Ireland: http://www.savills.ie/

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    Mute patricia gilheany
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    Apr 22nd 2013, 1:54 AM

    Or perhaps he has jumped ship because the truth is going to emerge about the billions of euros he unnecessarily burdened the taxpayers by, when he put Quinn Insurance into administration in error and worse still, he ensured that an offer of 2.8 billion from the Quinn family was thrown in their face because he simply wanted to oust Sean Quinn regardless of the consequences for the people of Ireland. It is ironic that he ran for cover just as he blatantly refused to provide a copy of the legal/professional that he presumabely relied upon before pressing the nuclear button————Could it be that is because it does not exist. 1600 direct jobs have been lost to date in the border area because of Elderfield-Good riddance to this egotistical fat cat whose mess will take decades to clean up.

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    Mute Graham Kavanagh
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:38 PM

    This is wonderful news. I assume he will now go after these crooks and penalise them to the full extent right? Oh yeah, politicians are just like bankers…. Corrupt… Forgot, sorry…

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    Mute Martin
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:04 PM

    Yeah they both use each other as an excuse for what happened criticise the crap out of each in the media other then meet up in the snug in Nesbitts and laugh themselves stupid at our gullabilty.

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    Mute Martin
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:11 PM

    Bankers and politicians they both use each other as an excuse for what happened criticise the crap out of each other in the media then sneak up to the snug in Nesbitts and laugh themselves stupid at our gullabilty.

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    Mute Martin
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:13 PM

    Bankers and politicians they both use each other as an excuse for what happened criticise the crap out of each other in the media then sneak up to the snug in Nesbitts both of the them with pockets full of our money and laugh themselves stupid at our gullabilty.

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    Mute Martin
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:45 PM

    With the help of our Media, all of our Media. Except Vincent of course.

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    Mute Matt
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:16 PM

    Your government cost this country dearly.

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    Mute Marc Anthony Power
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:12 PM

    Wtf ??????……. failures in government cost this country dearly. ….. not regulations

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    Mute Martin
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:18 PM

    He doesn’t know what the F#?k he is saying, he just reads whats put in front of him.

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    Mute rodrigo detriano
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:33 PM

    This is the same crowd of Neanderthals that came up with the personal insolvency legislation. If Kennys crowd had any sense of honour, they’d admit they haven’t got a clue and quit, Vincent Brown was spot on with his whiskey and dark room remarks about Enda Kenny. The mans an embarrassing sap who is causing irreparable damage to this country.

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    Mute ag_macnamh
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:25 PM

    2 sides of the same coin I reckon. If you score an own goal is it your fault or the keeper’s?

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    Mute Frank2521
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:10 PM

    Enda — could you regulate your minister for Education from appointing other ministers wives to high paid positions. At least interview a few other people for the job. I wonder did the Trioka agree to that appointment ?

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    Mute Philip
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:08 PM

    At the minute there are negotiations on how to reform the accountancy profession in particular in relation to auditing practices

    Now the the BIG 4 auditing firms have being lobbying extremely hard

    So what will FG – bow down to their friends in big business or will they be mindful of past mistakes

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    Mute Thomond Park
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:19 PM

    Some of the conditions attached to having a financial services centre in dublin were, very little tax, low regulations and a “light touch” regime.

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    Mute Tom Brennan
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:37 PM

    Off topic, but what the hell happened to Elderfield, my money is on that he has seen something that he could not unsee, and promptly removed!

    Talk about cushy old boys club who turned a blind eye on the financial aspects and never took responsibility nor still to this day, held accountable, *that costed us dearly*!

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    Mute Sean ORegan
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:39 PM

    Emmm He took early retirement and was persuaded to stay on for a bit and the bit is over now…

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    Mute Tom Brennan
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:45 PM

    Thanks for your reply. Its incredulous, do not believe that! :)

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    Mute Thomond Park
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:02 PM

    Tom,

    i’m with you, elderfield jumped ship so fast that he left €100,000 behind. Either Elderfield knows something about criminality or he knows whats coming down the line.

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    Mute James Darby
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:42 PM

    Tom, did you not hear, Elderfield got a job with the FBI. They put him in charge of area 51.

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    Mute The Red Devil
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:20 PM

    It’s a guarantee and u can take this to the back if u can find one not shut down or one that will let u in
    Enda will do f**k all about this will spin a lot of crap cause he has to after being put on the spot by a journalist
    This time nxt year it will be in the same position , and he will have some excuse – wait and see

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    Mute Frank2521
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:12 PM

    Enda — could you regulate your minister for Education from appointing other ministers wives to high paid positions. At least interview a few other people for the job. I wonder did the Trioka agree to that appointment

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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:42 PM

    You don’t say enda. Why not weed out all the friends, acquaintances and in some cases family members of tds on regulatory boards and give these positions to qualified people that would be a start. The financial regulator did not do its job and that is why we are in this mess

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    Mute Robert Duggan
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    Apr 21st 2013, 6:02 PM

    Surely the key regulator in a democracy is the opposition. Is this an admission of guilt??.. Perhaps he was too busy building his party to provide alternatives….

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    Apr 21st 2013, 7:31 PM

    We have ingrained in our minds, the comments that Enda Kenny made at that Europen Forum thingy a year or so ago…….where he said “the Irish people went mad borrowing” and more recently when Michael Noonan said “we took one for the team”! It’s a true reflection of these guy’s sentiment! What a bunch of smarmy fcukers we have in this Government!

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    Mute Sean ORegan
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:35 PM

    And just who will do the regulating? The civil service is decimated, the accounting profession is discredited and bankers are diabolical… maybe the party hacks who criticize the public sector but have only ever worked for the party…

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    Mute padser123
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    Apr 21st 2013, 8:33 PM

    Are we missing the ‘bigger picture’ or something? I mean to say…..have you ever thought of what respective Governments in Europe or indeed the rest of the world do or say at these G8/G20 summit’s……and then wonder why we are all in the sh1t at the same time? All the Regulator’s in all the Countries turning a blind eye at the same time!!! All the people we think are to blame are not in jail! Why is that? I dunno, but it feels like ‘global fiscal correction’…..induced by a shock to the system! Like we had civil war’s (at the same time) or something and are picking up the pieces!

    How else does one describe, what just recently happened over the last 10 years or when Politicians come out with insult after insult, like…….it didn’t happen while I was in power or the ridicule of FF by FG saying that “crony politics got us where we are now”………when Michael Noonan say’s on Bloomberg to the rest of the world – “we took one for the team”!

    Anecdotally speaking……ever since I was very young (40 years or so) I heard my Father and his Father say things like……The Banks ‘never’ lose……or all Politicians are the same……or even the rich get richer and the poor get poorer!

    How very fcuking true!

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    Mute @KevinMullen
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    Apr 21st 2013, 6:52 PM

    When kenny was on the oposition bench he knew what was going on but chose to do nothing, hence the name do nothing enda

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    Mute Brian D. Brady
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:53 PM

    Enda’s bleeding edge thinking keeping us ahead of a future financial crisis, when he can’t get out of this one. The country got what it elected, a useless impotent opposition leader promoted to Chief of the Phoenix park Indians.

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    Mute Philip
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:41 PM

    Big business cost this country dearly

    Big business lobby governments telling them to enact certain legislation in order for business to create jobs, get the economy performing etc.

    Governments spend too much time listening to business and their promises of jobs

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Apr 21st 2013, 8:33 PM

    Is Kenny on his own road to damascus? How long was he in politics before he noticed the stable door should be shut? WTF was he doing in opposition?

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    Mute Bernadette Dunne
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    Apr 22nd 2013, 2:50 AM

    Kerry Kenny is 40 years in the DAIL not a great record eh

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    Apr 21st 2013, 7:28 PM

    We need to start the cuts at the top . Let the politicians feel a bit of austerity . Them thy won’t be so fast at making cuts to people who can ill afford them

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    Mute Peter Richardson
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    Apr 21st 2013, 10:30 PM

    Enda has spotted the problem. No need for banking inquiries. All is solved. Wonderful.

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    Mute Robert Duggan
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:52 PM

    The key regulator in a democracy is surely the opposition. The opposition is unburdoned by government and has a duty to debate, provide alternatives and Oppose…..So is this an admission of guilt??

    If his grand kids ask him what he did during the Celtic tiger, will he answer I fought to regulate the economy…….or I just concentrated on building my own party…..

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    Mute Colm Durkan
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:49 PM

    It’s less regulation we need not more. Big government stifles economic activity, a proper free market economy leads to efficient enterprise, more jobs and competitive labour markets, although in truth I think this is just a soundbite that won’t go anywhere.
    Just to preempt, my comment doesn’t advocate boomtime FF policies, I’m saying Government shouldn’t have a mandate to restrict market practices, because it doesn’t have the expertise to achieve the outcomes it wants.

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    Mute padser123
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    Apr 21st 2013, 8:40 PM

    Bill Cullen would agree with you……other’s wouldn’t!

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    Mute Colm Durkan
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    Apr 21st 2013, 10:37 PM

    I disagree

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    Mute Marlon Major
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    Apr 21st 2013, 5:47 PM

    Did he have a Light Bulb moment to come up with this? Gee fecking whiz…. I knew this was an issue 8 years ago.

    Along with regulations comes accountability. With accountability comes rewards and punishment. The problem is that we have a culture that doesn’t want to feel as if they are being controlled or told what to do.

    Sorry this is exactly what this country needs.

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    Mute Itiswhatitis
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    Apr 21st 2013, 11:01 PM

    The sight of Kenny and his dictatorship makes me sick. Vile dictator.

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    Mute Brian D. Brady
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    Apr 21st 2013, 11:06 PM

    Bleeding edge thinking from the man who has done everything he can to keep the system just they way FG and FF like it. Ah you might as well through Labour into that category as they have proved equally resistant to changing the way the country operates and done everything they can to make sure the protagonist of our destruction are keep free and living in the style they are accustom to. Shame on all our professional liars.

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    Mute Operator
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    Apr 21st 2013, 9:33 PM

    Sorry Enda, failure of Governance has cost this country more.

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    Mute Peter Richardson
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:51 PM

    Appendix 4 of the Document contains 23 safe and uncontroversial questions which will not upset the consensus. To my surprise model answers are not included.

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    Mute Peter Richardson
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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:41 PM

    I am unable to locate the Policy Document online. It is not on the Taiseach’s website. Is it a publicly accessible document?

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    Apr 21st 2013, 9:37 PM

    This is the sort of razor sharp assessment of the situation that got Enda to where he is today. The glorious leader of one of the PIIGS nations. VIVA, VIVA Senor Kenny!!

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    Mute karen mockler
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    Apr 22nd 2013, 2:04 AM

    I didn’t vote for this goverment . All we’ve had since they took power is to take ,take, take .Im so sick of Enda and co. spouting it’s ff’s fault yes they are at fault but 2 years on the Fine Gael and the Labour party have done nothing but impose more austerty to the people of this country.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:18 PM

    Both I would say

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    Mute Bernadette Dunne
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    Apr 22nd 2013, 1:49 AM

    Mr Kenny What planet are you on For the past 2 years you and your ministers have put the people of this nation through hell with no turn back in sight.And please do not come back and tell us it was the last Government Fine Fail and the Greens that caused it all During their Reign you sat in opposition and YOU Mr Kenny never once did you stand up and say for the people of Ireland and Ireland as a Nation into the Future did you say once Enough is Enough at least the folk in the the opposition seats are saying enough is enough and are up on their feet with the People So maybe it is time for you to do the decent thing now and resign and tell your cabinet to go with you

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    Mute karen mockler
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    Apr 22nd 2013, 2:42 AM

    You got voted in on lies,. it’s time you reflected on that.

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    Apr 22nd 2013, 12:55 AM

    Enda — could you regulate your minister for Education from appointing other ministers wives to high paid positions. At least interview a few other people for the job. I wonder did the Trioka agree to that appointment

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    Mute karen mockler
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    Apr 22nd 2013, 2:12 AM

    Time for you to go

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    Mute Stephen murphy
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    Apr 22nd 2013, 9:47 AM

    What were you and your buddies doing Enda, in opposition and your silence was deafening?

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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:22 PM

    Sorry bank not back-obviously dam txt

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    Apr 21st 2013, 4:46 PM

    I have located and downloaded the PDF document. 13th May is the deadline for a response. Will there be responses which will be listened to?

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    Mute Brian Meleady
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    Apr 21st 2013, 10:59 PM

    He should include those docile buffoons in taxi regulation too.

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    Apr 21st 2013, 10:52 PM

    Doh !

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    Mute karen mockler
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    Apr 22nd 2013, 3:04 AM

    And go

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