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'Lawful but preferably not': Debenhams, Clery's and the future of collective redundancies

Debenhams workers have voted to accept a €3 million package, which will end their industrial action.

LAST UPDATE | 21 May 2021

AFTER 406 DAYS on the picket line in the middle of a pandemic, former Debenhams workers have agreed to accept a €3 million Government retraining package to end their industrial action.

It’s not the deal that many had hoped to get but Mandate, the union representing the ex-employees, said it represents the best achievable settlement under very difficult circumstances.

After its UK parent collapsed into administration in April 2020, liquidators were appointed to Debenhams’ Irish arm, which itself had been weighed down by trading losses and restructuring costs in recent years.

So dire were the company’s financial straits in the end that its liquidators said there was no money left to pay workers.

To add to the complication, former employees argued their union had in 2016 negotiated ‘enhanced’ redundancy payments rate of four weeks’ pay per year of service.

Instead, with the Irish company insolvent and unable to pay its debts, redundancies, they were told, would have to be covered by the State’s Social Insurance Fund at the statutory rate of two weeks’ pay per year of service.

In Dublin, Limerick and Cork, Debenhams workers blocked the removal of stock from the company’s stores and warehouses, which they said was being repatriated to the UK parent when it should be put into the pot of the Irish liquidation.

Now, workers and their union say the fight isn’t over — there are still structural issues around collective redundancies that policymakers have to address.

One of their more far-reaching demands has been for the Government to implement legislative changes to protect workers that find themselves in similar circumstances.

Crucially, they want the findings of the 2016 Duffy Cahill Report to be implemented.

They also want Solidarity-People Before Profit TD Mick Barry’s ‘Debenhams Bill’ — which would give preferential creditor status to workers affected by collective redundancies — to be passed by the Oireachtas.

Criminal charges

Commissioned in early 2016 by the then-Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation Richard Bruton and Minister for Business Ged Nash, barrister Nessa Cahill and then-Labour Court chairman Kevin Duffy were tasked with looking at the existing protections for Irish workers facing redundancy and make recommendations for their improvement.

It was spurred on by the controversial closure and 2015 sale of Clery’s department store in Dublin in which over 450 people lost their jobs.

That followed on from a complex business deal in which the landmark store was bought out of receivership in 2012 by a US vulture fund, Gordon Brothers.

The fund split Clery’s into two separate entities: a loss-making operating company and a property company holding the firm’s valuable O’Connell Street property.

With debts of over €4.5 million at the end of 2014, the operating company collapsed into liquidation the following year, while the property company was bought by an Irish-registered entity, Natrium Ltd, for €29 million.

Backed by a London-based investment outfit and 20% owned by Dublin businesswoman Deirdre Foley, Natrium went on to secure planning permission for a €150 million redevelopment and then flipped it to a consortium of investors for €63 million in 2018.

Meanwhile, with little or no money in the operating company to pay the sacked workers, the State ended up footing the bill for their basic statutory redundancy payments out of the national Social Insurance Fund.

Criminal charges — brought by the Workplace Relations Commission against an assortment of people involved in the deal including Foley for allegedly failing to initiate consultations with employee representatives — were dropped in 2018.

A nuanced approach

In their final report, Duffy and Cahill said that “while the [Clery's] transaction that produced this result may have been lawful, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that it would be preferable if it were not”.

They recommended a statutory mechanism be put in place to allow for the recovery of transferred assets “where the effect of such disposal was to perpetrate a fraud on the company’s employees”.

Basically, it would allow the department of social protection to demand the return of the asset in a situation where the State has had to cover the costs of statutory redundancies.

It’s unclear whether this would have much application to the Debenhams debacle.

However, former workers have argued that this mechanism have at least made it more difficult for the company to shirk its responsibilities to employees.

Crucially for Debenhams workers, the report also recommended that where agreements for ‘enhanced’ redundancies have been negotiated with workers, they could be treated as preferential creditors in any liquidation process.

This is central to their campaign and Barry’s Debenhams Bill, which was introduced to the Dáil on 12 May.

He wants redundant workers in all circumstances to be treated preferentially, alongside traditional preferential creditors like the Revenue and the Department of Social Protection.

The Duffy-Cahill report gives a slightly more nuanced take.

In the report, the authors said, “We do not express a view on whether employees should be entitled to priority over other preferential creditors with regard to the distribution of the asset or its value.

However, they conceded that where “enhanced” redundancy packages have been agreed, certain “difficulties may arise”

This, they argued, could be solved by amending the Terms of Employment (Information) Act 1994, so that employers have to specifically outline what payments will be made to the employee if they’re made redundant.

Once this is implemented, Duffy and Cahill said, enhanced packages could then be “included among the preferential payments to which employees are entitled in the context of a liquidation”.

Last week, the Dáil voted in favour of postponing a discussion of Barry’s bill for 12 months.

“Government have voted to postpone a vote on that but we are going to be in constant contact to make sure they look at it,” said former Debenhams shop steward Jane Crowe yesterday.

“Our pickets are finished but we are going into a new chapter now.”

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    Mute DL_8_5
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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:12 PM

    Sure give them a house there!

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    Mute The Dublinist
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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:39 PM

    @DL_8_5: Yeah. At least they’ll have proper shelter in prison haha.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 6:06 AM

    @DL_8_5: You will have to wait a few hours maybe till 10 or 11 am before you get counter arguments from the “everyone in the audience gets a free house brigade” or the its the “governments/bankers/tax payers fault crew” as it was dole day yesterday so they had to put in a long day in at the bookies or pub.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 7:32 AM

    @Jonathan Whelan: Ohhhhhh that’s gonna BURN. Well said

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 7:40 AM

    @Jonathan Whelan: Stereotyping much?

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 8:38 AM

    @Andrew Giles: hmm I’d say its more stastical analysis than sterotyping!

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 10:46 AM

    @Jonathan Whelan: you’ve obviously never had the displeasure of being unemployed and on the dole then, trust me, you’re stereotyping.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 1:39 PM

    @Jonathan Whelan: What are you talking about Johnny boy, did you not hear we are back to full employment. If you don’t believe me ask Leo.
    Ps I get a half day today

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 2:14 PM

    @Derek Poutch: ha ha good man good to see some light hearted comments!

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 2:18 PM

    @Andrew Giles: awww no I actually have been, was on a project 9 years ago and they were laying lads off. I put my name forward as the rest of the lads had mortgages and one had a baby on the way. Was nothing going work wise so diversified and went out trawling to make a quid! All about drive n attitude!

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:26 PM

    Why suspend part of a sentence for a man with 67 convictions? Mind boggling.

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:40 PM

    @Dj: I think the idea of suspending part of a sentence is , that you have to abide by probation rules and can be monitored , and that if you let slip , you have to finish out your sentence .
    So in a way , it’s keeping tabs on you when you get out .

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:46 PM

    @Ken Hayden: Fair enough but someone who has dozens of convictions has obviously proved to be a high risk repeat offender so why not just give him the full sentence and put him on probation when he gets out.

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:55 PM

    @Dj: Am no legal expert , but I would imagine the probation part would have to be included in your sentence , hence the suspended part .
    Maybe someone knows the law and can post .
    I hope we never get to the 3 strikes rule , but some people obviously consider the rule of law a joke , when they can commit 67 crimes and not be jailed .

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:55 PM

    @Ken Hayden: they cant be keeping tabs on him if he had a string of convictions!!! And i highly doubt they will now…

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 10:39 AM

    @Ken Hayden: I’m no legal w pert either but isn’t privation different Dron suspending part of your set sentence? The for is decided by the judge at sentencing time, when the latter is more to do with prisons letting you out early in a monitored way?

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    Feb 1st 2018, 11:15 PM

    “snuck”. Fabulous. The standard term for the past tense of the word “sneak” is “sneaked”. “Snuck” is informal and really has no place in professional journalism.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 7:37 AM

    @Maria Hickey-Fagan:
    “snuck” is a recognised word but more commonly used in North American english:
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    Feb 3rd 2018, 5:21 PM

    @Maria Hickey-Fagan:
    Journal.ie ran a story the other day about broadband in Ireland with the phrase “in shite” used in the headline,I kid you not!

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:18 PM

    ‘Mannerly Burglaries’. Love it!

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    Feb 1st 2018, 11:34 PM

    Homeless men with an address at…

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:19 PM

    Sure they have a roof over their heads now and food everyday.

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:12 PM

    Well when your government won’t take care of you what do you expect to happen?

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:18 PM

    How about they take care of themselves

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:21 PM

    @Cameron O’Toole: Yes Talbot should be doing a life sentence. After 67 convictions its clear he will be nothing other than a criminal. The government has failed the people of Ireland.

    As for your comment. It is not upto the government to house every junkie in the country. The government do not have to take care of people. Most of us take care of ourselves. The government didnt put the syringe into these men

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:42 PM

    @Cathal: They were until the Guards got involved :-)

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:59 PM

    @Cameron O’Toole: the government has never looked after me and im not living on the streets or on drugs or go around commiting crime… i look after myself!! And why should the government look after them??

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 12:08 AM

    Probably the only time in their lives these two guys will ever wear high-vis jackets.

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    Feb 1st 2018, 11:30 PM

    Homeless, great tag line,
    Two ##### bags more like it

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:30 PM

    At least they’ll get better treatment in prison. A warm bed and food, maybe a chance at rehabilitation that could lead to education and getting them off the streets, and people in prison won’t ignore them and pretend they are not there.

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:39 PM

    @Liberal Larry: Ya, it’s society’s fault that one of these men decided to leave school at 12 and go on to lead a life of crime. Instead of ignoring these criminal drug addicts society should have embraced them. How many criminals are you friends with Larry?

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 1:30 AM

    @Liberal Larry: yes Larry it’s the Governments fault, numbnuts

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 5:33 AM

    67 convictions? Where is the social equality when normal people struggling to make ends meet dont pay the likes of a tv licence and get jail ? Anything over 20 convictions automatic maximum jail term applicable for each particular crime. If working people pay more tax for the more they earn, like wise career criminals should have to pay more time in jail for the increasing number of convictions. Also in respect to free legal aid for criminal cases, guilty verdict = defendant liabile for legal costs. Garnish there future dole to recoup.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 5:52 AM

    If homeless how come they gave addresses of where they lived

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 5:59 AM

    Why the big ‘homeless’ in the heading. Cheap shot headline.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 9:26 AM

    If they have addresses how are they homeless?

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    Feb 1st 2018, 11:27 PM

    How dare they. The cheek of them coming over here to our country and taking our women….and phones……oh wait!!@

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 10:07 AM

    Shame they didnt put as much effort into hetting a job

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 8:40 AM

    Snuck?

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 12:19 PM

    Does anyone ever serve the suspended part of these sentences? People seem to be serial offenders but I have never heard of time being added to convictions because they had reoffended after a previous suspended sentence. Can anyone shed light on this?

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 12:47 PM

    Lock them up and throw away the “glide”

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