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'We all want to see a solution, but nobody wants to see these animals get their heads blown off'

Minister Darragh O’Brien distanced himself from a pilot scheme he referenced in the Dáil.

MINISTER DARRAGH O’Brien has said this afternoon that his department has “no plans for a general cull of seals” and also distanced himself from a scheme that could provide licences for fishermen to shoot “problem seals”.

The minister’s clarification comes following a Dáil question last week by Michael Healy-Rae TD, who asked O’Brien about what the government was doing to “address the seal population problem” in Kerry.

O’Brien, who is Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage, responded by saying that five Section 42 applications have been made this year in relation to seals.

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Such applications allow for steps to be taken to stop protected wild animals from causing environmental damage.

In his reply, O’Brien said that three of the applications related to the shooting of seals from boats.

“There are concerns about this approach to seal management, given the potential safety concerns arising from using high-powered rifles on moving platforms,” the minister stated.

Nonetheless, my department is examining the potential for a pilot scheme which would test this approach and determine its efficacy in protecting fishermen’s catches.

The minister’s comments were reported by a number of news outlets with Pádraic Fogarty of the Irish Wildlife Trust telling the Irish Examiner that such an approach would be “insane”.

In his tweets today, the minister appeared to distance himself from the pilot scheme, saying he “would not sign off on any pilot scheme which would involve fishermen shooting seals from a boat”.

A number of fishermen from the Irish Fish Producers’ Organisation (IFPO) who spoke to TheJournal.ie today also shared the view that the idea was “madness”. They also wanted to be clear however that the seal population is becoming a problem.

Patrick Murphy, a fisherman of 28 years from Castletownbere who is CEO of the Irish South and West Fish Producers Organisation, says there has been much misinformed commentary since the story of the minister’s comments broke.

He argues the Irish Wildlife Trust has tried to point the finger at over-fishing depleting fish stocks but that there is little evidence to back this up.

“If they are saying that the fish stocks are decimated? How is it that the seal population is growing, what are they eating? It doesn’t add up,” Murphy says.

Especially from the work that I do and the involvement I have with advisory councils, working with our members, the EU Parliament and the Commission, they’re putting up reports contrary to what that man is saying.

In his Dáil reply, O’Brien said there are about 8,000-10,000 grey seals and about 5,000 harbour seals in Ireland. He compared it to Scotland where there are estimated to be over 100,000 grey seals. 

Murphy says that official estimates of the Irish seal population wildly underestimate how many there actually are.

He adds that managing the Irish seal population should be the same as any other wild animal and should be treated with the same seriousness.

Look, there is a problem with the seals. Just like when there’s a problem with the deer population or when there’s been a problem with badgers, or when there’s a problem with foxes or when there’s a problem with dogs running wild and worrying sheep. Nature is nature.

“Instead of these crazy stories and people shouting off the top of our heads without actually backing up what they’re saying, they should be going to the people with the proper information and the people you should be talking to are the Marine Institute and National Parks and Wildlife Service.”

Murphy says there have been several cases of hungry seals attacking swans and he also pointed to an incident abroad where a seal grabbed a young girl from a dock.

“The problem is that there are so many seals out there now there’s no natural predators for these and this population of animals is going unchecked. There’s going to be huge repercussions for this if it continues that way.”

There was a video that was sent to me about a seal that was hungry and decided to tear a swan to pieces in the River Lee, eat it from underneath the river and kill it in agony. And not an isolated incident.

Murphy says the problem of the seal population is not just one for fishermen and that people need to realise that.

You’re starting to run into ‘what ifs’ and ‘maybes’ but the bottom line is that these animals are not pets. They might look like cute and cuddly things but these animals are known to be cannibals and eat their own pups, and that’s been well documented.

But despite feeling that the issue needs to be addressed, Murphy is strongly against any suggestion that fishermen should be shooting seals.

He cites the danger of using rifles on a moving vessel and the problem of dead seals that would be washed up onshore.

In Canada, they have a drug that makes the seals infertile. That is a proper solution. The drug is delivered by a dart and they have a 90-95% success rate. It’s essentially birth control and it lasts about three years.

“We all want to see a solution but nobody wants to see these animals get their heads blown off. Would you like to be walking down a beach someday with your kids and the next thing you see is a dead carcass with its head blown apart? Horrific.”

So whether there is a problem with seals or not, shooting them certainly does not seem like the correct  solution.

A fact that politicians from several parties have made clear today.

Social Democrats TD Jennifer Whitmore told TheJournal.ie that “a more holistic” approach is needed and that fishermen shooting seals would likely be unsafe.

A) I don’t think the solution will solve anything and B) you have to ask is that solution safe? We do have to take those considerations in and I know, the minister said that the National Parks and Wildlife are going to be looking at it. I don’t know if they’re doing a study on the impact of seals on fisheries, but we really need to be taking a more holistic look at how we manage our fisheries, both inshore and offshore.

Green Party councillor for Cobh Alan O’Connor also said that the pilot scheme as discussed would be a step backwards.

“Any such pilot scheme would be a retrograde step in our attitudes toward and treatment of wildlife, and they’re both bad enough already,” he said.

I know licences have been issued in the past for the killing of seals, and this practice, in any form, should be discontinued. There is a biodiversity crisis and it is indeed being manifested in decreasing catches of fish, but seals are not to blame.

Green Party MEP Grace O’Sullivan also made a similar argument: 

Our dwindling fish stocks are not happening primarily because of a rise in the already threatened numbers of seals. They are happening because our overall marine abundance has been decimated because of a collapse of the ocean ecosystem due to climate and environmental challenges and previously unchecked over-fishing. 

“Fishers and fishing communities need to be supported as we transition into more sustainable ways of making a living from our oceans. Further destruction is not the answer to this problem. Long-term solutions must be put in place,” she added. 

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    Jan 31st 2016, 9:01 AM

    Typical, no mention of blue snot.

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    Jan 31st 2016, 10:02 AM

    It wouldn’t have taken much to change it to 1.473 Erin Little Dinner pots, so Irish people could relate to it.

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    As a mechanic it’s scary when you blow your nose after the day, black gunk everywhere.

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    As a young teen I worked in a garage for a summer. Having to use the cubicle and seeing the walls covered in black treacle haunts me to this day.

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    …must be the “trickle down” effect!!!!

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    Brown Nose = Brown Snot

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    The antibodies in the snot is why kids innately eat them. Boosts their immune system, its believed

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    Jan 31st 2016, 9:58 AM

    It’s very patriotic to have green snot.

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    Preparing for the centenary celebrations?

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    This article is snot for the faint hearted.

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    ‘snot what I want to be reading at this hour of the morning.

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    Just what you want to read about at the Sunday morning breakfast table

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    Put your device away, chat to your family and eat your breakfast.

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    Having read this article just after my ‘huevos rancheros’ with guacamole, – I now need to find an article about the various colour of vomit…

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    So all in all , whatever colour your snot is don’t worry about it too much . Very insightful.

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    Mine glows in the dark. What does that mean? Lol

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    Please tell me this article is snot true……sorry folks I couldn’t resist!! :)

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    Mucus gratioys to the anonymous business insider at The Journal credited with picking this topic for a Sunday morning!

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    Jan 31st 2016, 11:24 AM

    I didn’t read the headline right I thought it said SHOTS not snots, how disappointing!

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    Jan 31st 2016, 11:02 AM

    Charming subject so early for a Sunday morning. Maybe next week we can talk about different stool colours

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    Jan 31st 2016, 10:46 AM

    Could we get a tasting guide for each colour also?

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    Jan 31st 2016, 3:41 PM

    Black snots, ah that just means you’ve been the bog footing turf.

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    Article lifted from VIZ ?

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    I work in theatre and the sights sounds and smells would knock the bravest of people. I can take them all but the sight of a snot on an adult……….jaysus.

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    The Gaiety must be after really going to the dogs

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    Jan 31st 2016, 5:23 PM

    What about eating shots?

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    Jan 31st 2016, 3:51 PM

    What if your snot is like clear silicon ? Texture and all ?

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    Jan 31st 2016, 5:09 PM

    You are a replicant.

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