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Students mistakenly awarded higher grades may have 'squeezed out' others from college, Minister concedes

Education Minister Norma Foley has apologised to students again after errors in the calculated grades system were revealed.

LAST UPDATE | 1 Oct 2020

GRADES GIVEN TO students that were higher than they should have been due to errors in the Leaving Certificate calculated grades system may have meant students who received lower grades in error missed out on college places.

Education Minister Norma Foley addressed the Dáil this evening after it was announced yesterday that two coding errors were identified in the calculated grades system which meant that thousands of students received at least one result one grade lower than they should have.

Asked by Mick Barry TD how many students had received a grade higher than they should have received due to the error, Foley said that 6,500 students had received a lower grade than they should have, and so “there is every chance we might be talking about a similar number” of students who received a higher grade than they should have.

Barry said that there “must be students who applied for courses who would have gotten their courses if that error hadn’t been made who were squeezed out of their courses”.

In response, Foley said that “there are students who have benefited and whose grades have increased, and those students will retain those grades and not be downgraded”.

Responding to further questioning from Barry on whether higher grades given to students in error had pushed out students who had mistakenly received lower grades, Foley accepted that the situation was “very possible.”

“As regards whether there might have been an issue in some students getting places they might not have gotten if the system had been otherwise, that’s absolutely very possible,” Foley said.

Foley told the Dáil that students who should receive a higher CAO offer following the correction of errors in the calculated grades system “will receive this offer, or a deferred offer as soon as possible”.

Students who defer an offer to next year but complete the first year of a different course they have already started this year will remain eligible for the free fees scheme, the minister has said.

The Department of Education, which has already looked into the errors, has now appointed an external body called Educational Testing Service to review the code and “provide an independent, expert opinion on the adequacy of the coding”.

Foley said that ETS’ analysis may be completed “as early as tomorrow”.

“Thereafter, I would like to see things move as quickly as possible” in relation to the rectification of grades and offers for students had been impacted, Foley said.

At least 200 calls have been made by students and parents to a helpline following the announcement of the errors.

Foley told the Dáil that “approximately 200 calls” were received by a dedicated helpline set up for students in the Department of Education yesterday afternoon and evening after the error was revealed.

The calculated grading system was meant to factor in a student’s Junior Certificate results in English, Maths, Irish and their two best non-core subjects on an aggregated class level.

However, it instead used their two worst non-core subjects.

It was also meant to exclude the subject Civic, Social and Political Education (CSPE) from the system, but was included in error.

Foley apologised for the distress caused to students and their families following the errors.

She described it as a “difficult day” for students and said that the announcement had “generated anxiety and worry”.

“They are errors which should not have occurred,” Foley said.

The first error relating to the inclusion of students’ worst non-core Junior Certificate subjects instead of their best two was identified by Polymetrika International, the company that developed the code for the calculated grades system, on Tuesday last week.

The second error was then identified when the first error led to an internal review of the system.

It is expected that students will be contacted by text message to be told whether or not they were impacted by the error. Affected students will then receive new provisional results on the calculated grades portal.

Polymetrika International was paid €91,500 above the agreed cost due to a €1,100 daily charge for days worked outside the contract.

The Department of Education said that there was “insufficient time in which to run a normal, full procurement process” after the decision was taken to implement a calculated grades system in place of the traditional Leaving Certificate exams.

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    Mute Brendan Woods
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    Oct 1st 2020, 10:01 PM

    Time for the minister to go. You could win money on the time she says “extraordinary times”. Has failed to answer any of the questions tonight.

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    Mute Mary Nugent
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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:35 PM

    @Brendan Woods: newly elected and at the top table. This Govt brings Bilko or The Little Rascals to mind.

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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:45 PM

    @Brendan Woods: like all ministers required to cover up for incompetent civil servents

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    Mute Leonard O'mahony
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    Oct 1st 2020, 10:43 PM

    If worst non core subjects were included , surely all students were affected,not just 6,500.

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    Mute Mairead Daly
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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:54 PM

    @Leonard O’mahony: Exactly. The media questioning is poor. It doesn’t make sense that it’s only 6500 that had the 2 worse subjects. Also doesn’t make sense that having 2 worse subjects caused any grade increases. There is a lot more to come.

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    Mute Aidan Conway
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    Oct 2nd 2020, 8:42 AM

    @Leonard O’mahony: the error was about chosing lower junior cert marks! So how many had junior cert? 90% we are being mislead on thus to soften the bow.

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    Mute Cocker
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    Oct 2nd 2020, 11:04 AM

    @Leonard O’mahony: Only 6,500 reported that something was wrong. Likely though that every result was effected

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    Mute Maalouf
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    Oct 1st 2020, 10:06 PM

    This is so bad. Poor people distraught. Absolute shambles.

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    Mute Maurice O Neill
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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:21 PM

    Well folks the reason they would not announce further new restrictions to bring Cork to level 3 has all been laid before us. They are clutching at straws and imagine a parent forking out 3 grand last week so the young fella got a place in Galway and then he finds out that he should have got a place in Cork where he is from . I say no more

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    Mute Lisa Daly
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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:40 PM

    @Maurice O Neill: its infuriating

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    Mute Lisa Daly
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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:39 PM

    I don’t know if this has been reported as wasnt listeningto radio, but round 2 offers that came out last week, have been put in stasis, for UCD anyway. My niece got a round 2 offer of her first preference, accepted it last week, moved back home from where she had gone to start the 5th pref course (cancelling that in meantime), and is now in limbo as seemingly UCD have told her that they are now not finalising the acceptance until this debacle is resolved. Limbo for her…

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    Mute Micheal S. O' Ceilleachair
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    Oct 2nd 2020, 9:25 AM

    @Lisa Daly: University College Limbo!!!! The whole thing us a mess. Do the Department think they are dealing with the future prospects of real human beings?

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    Mute Donal Desmond
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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:34 PM

    Sweet Jesus…The circus continues. The part time Taoiseacht Michael Martin must be pondering the old Chinese saying…Be careful what you wish for..While the future part time Taoiseacht Varadkar appoints Jerry Buttimer and other senators who attended golf gate to Oireachtas committes. What a F..king circus.

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    Mute John Nolan
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    Oct 1st 2020, 10:40 PM

    Right mess!

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    Mute Anne Marie Devlin
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    Oct 1st 2020, 9:54 PM

    Mishap?

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    Mute Anne Marie Devlin
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    Oct 1st 2020, 10:28 PM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: I see they’ve changed the headline

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    Mute Maalouf
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    Oct 1st 2020, 10:40 PM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: they’ve changed it three times now

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    Mute Mick Whistler
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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:18 PM

    A €15 million howler.

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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:20 PM

    @Mick Whistler: or whistler

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    Mute John
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    Oct 2nd 2020, 5:52 AM

    All students should receive the result they were entitled to. If you received a higher mark as a result of an error you should not benefit from it as others will lose out. If they succeeded in obtaining a course on the back of it they probably should keep their spot but they should get their CAO points changed for future CAO round offers this year and onwards.

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    Oct 1st 2020, 10:08 PM

    Leonardo da vinci never went to university. It kept him awake at night too.

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    Mute David Van-Standen
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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:51 PM

    This is a cluster of cluster fecks, in an ongoing clusterfeck…a tri-cluster feck!

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    Oct 2nd 2020, 8:41 AM

    Am I missing something here? How are only 6500 students affected by this coding error? Were the junior cert results of only 6500 students submitted by schools? Surely it should be affecting all students.. Except those who maybe changed school or went to private grind schools where no junior cert results would have been submitted.. I assume? Please feel free to lambaste me if I have missed something obvious!!!

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    Oct 2nd 2020, 11:31 AM

    If they knew last week , they should have advised students/parents….. before we paid thousands for accomodation later in the week!

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    Mute Be Nice
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    Oct 1st 2020, 11:08 PM

    My daughter got 576 knowing she was given clean sweep by her teachers!! Downgraded by two subjects and missed out on her first choice!! The stress is intolerable!

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