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Carbon tax: Petrol and diesel prices set to increase from midnight tonight

The changes were announced by Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe this afternoon.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS announced that carbon tax will be increased by €7.50 per tonne of Co2.

Announcing the measure in his Budget 2021 speech this afternoon, Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe said the tax hike will come into effect tonight for petrol and diesel and for all other fuels by 1 May 2021.

The increase will bring the carbon tax from €26 to €33.50 per tonne of CO2.

It will add about 2.5c per litre of petrol and diesel. 

Legislation will also be provided in the Finance Bill which will see the tax increase each year by €7.50 up to 2029 and by €6.50 in 2030 – to bring it up to €100 per tonne of CO2.

Announcing the hike, Donohoe said that the additional revenue raised will be used to meet the government’s climate action goals.

“This increase is another important step in our collective action to decarbonise our economy. Measures that help to reduce our emissions levels, also help to improve our quality of public health,” Donohoe said.

Motor tax reforms

A new third motor tax table for cars registered from 1 January 2021 will be introduced to take into account a new, more accurate emissions test. 

He also made adjustments to motor tax to ensure a level playing field. Currently, nearly half a million cars are in the pre-2008 engine sized based regime; and approximately 1.6 million cars in the post 2008 CO2-based regime.

Rates will remain unchanged for all cars in the engine sized regime and all but the most pollutant cars in the post-2008 regime, the government said.

Donohoe said that the current New Europe Driving Cycle (NEDC) system has been “utterly discredited in terms of undervaluing the emissions output of motor vehicles”.

Therefore, he said, Ireland needs to transition its CO2-based Vehicle Registration System (VRT) regime to the new “more robust” Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP) emissions system from January 2021.  

“This new regime will be based on emissions performance levels which are much closer to real world performance levels than is currently the case,” he said. 

“The modified new structure of rates and bands for VRT and motor tax have been adjusted to take account of the fact that cars under the new test record higher CO2 emissions,” explained Donohoe.

“We have strengthened the environmental rationale of the VRT regime to encourage motorists who are in the market for a new car to make greener choices.”

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    Mute Scott Mcgarry
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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:16 PM

    Great news when people are struggling, add a bit more pain just in case there wasn’t enough.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:19 PM

    @Scott Mcgarry: No chance of them taking a pay cut instead of ripping US off! The motorist as usual the easy target.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:24 PM

    @Brian Kelly: are the greens gone now?

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:34 PM

    @Scott Mcgarry: mileage is down for the majority of drivers while restrictions are still in place. The coffers have to come from somewhere, better to come from fuel tax than an increase in income tax.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:56 PM

    @Aoife Mac Cana: yes but home heating is up now we are home all day everyday!

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:28 PM

    @Steve: that increase comes in May 2021

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:59 PM

    @Mary Nugent: Eamon is gone for a lie down, he was up before midday today which was unusual for him. He’s had a long day. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    Oct 13th 2020, 5:37 PM

    @Aoife Mac Cana: And what of those Frontline workers and essential workers that are still commuting to work irrespective of lock downs? Do you think logistics companies use water to fuel their Trucks and Vans? Higher fuel costs get passed down the line to every consumer.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 8:20 PM

    @Mick.: There’s not one person in the country that isn’t taking a hit with this pandemic. I have absolutely no problem with paying an additional €1.50 on each tank fill. This €1.50 will be spent on health, education and social welfare.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 10:24 PM

    @Scott Mcgarry: Friend, just a suggestion, since last March, how many times have you seen Customs and Excise on routine checks
    None, I would suggest, throw in the auld green diesel. Drive away, we are being robbed left, right and centre, with these pseudo experts in the insurance companies. I know I will probably be lambasted by the PC brigade for my comment, BUT then again maybe there are a few people that MIGHT say, fk me he’s he is right. Safe driving everyone.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:25 PM

    Eamon Ryan when last in government pushed for people to go for diesel vehicles . Now he’s back in government he’s punishing people for using diesel .

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:30 PM

    @Keith Synnott: what do you expect from a tool

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:32 PM

    @Keith Synnott: I said that years ago I new they would go back on there words

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:28 PM

    @Keith Synnott: Eamon Ryan was neither Minister for Finance nor Minister for Transport in 2008. Take it up with Fianna Fail.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:10 PM

    @Thomas McGuire: but he was a cabinet minister in that government, and the cabinet is supposed to operate off the principle of collective responsibility, a decision of cabinet is formally and collectively the decision of all members of cabinet.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:24 PM

    @Keith Synnott: the GP are not to be trusted. Blinded by their own propoganda. As you say, the reason diesel is popular is BECAUSE of the GP. But now they’ve ‘changed their mind’ and we’re supposed to believe them this time around ? Nah, don’t think so.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:17 PM

    “This increase is another important step in our collective action to decarbonise Measures will help to reduce our emissions levels, also help to improve our quality of public health,” Donohoe said.

    Ridiculous statement.. This assumes that the government have provided an alternative. How about building an effective transport network and then taxing vehicle use?

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:27 PM

    @Wreck Tangle: Sure then it wouldn’t be a cash cow. All this tax is is ego stroking for the greens especially bearing in mind the most carbon output for cars is in the manufacturing and delivery(including the supposedly carbon nuetral electric cars) and that’s never going to change unless you start building big electrically driven cargo ships.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:57 PM

    @Michael McGrath: All of that was nonsense.

    Manufacture and delivery do not make up more of the total CO2 burden than exhaust emissions.

    https://www.eea.europa.eu/signals/signals-2017/infographics/range-of-life-cycle-co2/view

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:13 PM

    @Wreck Tangle: Exactly

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:15 PM

    @▪️: Maybe, but the the top 1% of the wealthiest cause over 50% and 70/80% is caused by Industry, but its the least well off that have to disproportionably more

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:55 PM

    @Michael McGrath: Yup takes many many years to get back the Co2 emmissions needed to make EV’s

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:00 PM

    @Wreck Tangle: An EV is full of hydrocarbons because all plastic comes from oil so “De-Carbonization” does Not Exist…

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:14 PM

    @▪️: OK so I will do the maths.. 1 day of driving a big boat = 260000 litres of HFO. HFO 3700 times more pollutant than diesel. So burning 260000 litres of HFO is the equivalent of burning 962000000 litres of diesel. A large container ship can carry up to 12000 containers so if we say for arguments sake they are all diesel cars that in their lifetime would average 50 litres a week( which they most certainly won’t) that’s 600000 litres of diesel so divide the big number by the small number and it works out something like 1600 weeks of diesel driving 12000 cars for 1 day of driving a big container ship. And I’m not putting up a link you can find that for yourself easily enough

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:30 PM

    @▪️: that link you post literally says ” Depending on how the electricity is produced” (and in Ireland’s case, imported from, and how it’s originally generated….). It also says “can result in considerably lower…..in Europes cities “.
    So it can, but it mightn’t.
    It applies to cities – but Ireland isn’t a country of cities. It’s a country of rural workers & commuters.
    By all means have all the city dweller walk or whatever you like, but cars are going nowhere, because the very fabric of this economy is built on personal mobility of not inconsiderable distances.
    These increased taxes are a tax on work, a diminution of living standards the the ‘climate’ isn’t even a factor. And won’t be.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:35 PM

    @John Moylan: The emissions do depend on how it’s produced, yeah. Obviously.

    But that doesn’t change the fact that the manufacture and transport of cars does not produce more carbon vs. the total fuel emissions over the average car’s lifetime, no matter how the fuel is produced. That’s the lie that was told above I took issue with.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:44 PM

    @▪️: that was not a lie

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    Oct 13th 2020, 5:05 PM

    @Michael McGrath: Hi. In your maths above, you say HFO is 3,700 times as ‘pollutant’ as diesel. Do you have a source for this? I looked, and couldn’t find anything to support it. As far as I can tell, that’s WAY off.

    I’m happy to be corrected and I just need to know where you got your figures from because they came out of thin air in that comment above. No point in doing calculations with magic numbers. Thanks.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 5:26 PM

    @▪️:

    Shipping produces more carbon emissions than most countries and pollutes the oceans.Will slowing vessels or making them electric do

    By Mark Piesing

    January 4, 2018 6:00 am

    Shipping produces more carbon emissions than most countries and pollutes the oceans.Mark Piesing reports
    Every day the clothes, tech and toys that fill the shelves in our shopping centres seem to arrive there by magic.

    It has been estimated that just one of these container ships, the length of around six football pitches, can produce the same amount of pollution as 50 million cars.The emissions from 15 of these mega-ships match those from all the cars in the world.And if the shipping industry were a country, it would be ranked between Germany and Japan as the sixth-largest contributor to global CO2

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    Oct 13th 2020, 5:29 PM

    @▪️: I couldn’t copy the link but if you find the journo I’m sure you will find the article

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:19 PM

    Carbon tax, is shown to be regressive. The funds from this will not be used for what is stated. It will allay the burden of Covid, brexit and their triple increase a year wage packets. But it will not help us or the planet. What a Wascal lieing Pascal.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:21 PM

    @Chancer freelancer journal: could you show how it’s regressive?

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:24 PM

    @DBennie: a carbon tax affects are poorer households are impacted the most in terms of disposable income, consumption, price increases and welfare. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/carbon-tax-esri-4683059-Jun2019/%3famp=1

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:24 PM

    @Chancer freelancer journal: A carbon tax that actually hurt might do something. A tenth of a cent per kilometre won’t do much. People already buy much larger and less efficient cars than they need and use them far more often. A trivial increase in running costs won’t change that.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:25 PM

    @DBennie: (of a tax) taking a proportionally greater amount from those on lower incomes.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:26 PM
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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:26 PM

    @DBennie: the less well off you are, the older your car will be. The older your car is the more likely it is less ‘green’, so tax will be higher, and its less efficient, so it will use more fuel. Therefore, the poorer you are , the more tax you will pay in proportion to your income as well as a per use bases.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:27 PM

    @Chancer freelancer journal: like the first 50c on cigs. Cancer budget cut by 2 million the week or so after.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:27 PM

    @Derek Walsh: it’s not just your car. Poorer rural households. This country is not just infrastructure laden cities.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:31 PM

    @Chancer freelancer journal: In its current form, being ring-fenced for carbon neutral projects, it likely is. However, the carbon tax that the Green Party wants is different and would be progressive in nature, giving the money back to the people, except for those that use excessive amounts of fuel, such as businesses that have a fleet of company cars. It’s unfortunate that they couldn’t get this into the Programme of Government

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:38 PM

    @Derek Walsh: they buy the cars they can afford. When I complained to a guy in the motor tax office about the cost of my older car he glibly said get a newer one. I asked would he pay for it. He wasn’t happy about that…

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:06 PM

    @Derek Walsh: Derek, I suspect you’re being mischeviously ridiculous. A carbon tax that “hurts” just prevents people from accumulating the capital to switch up to electric. I’m all for electric, and do not deny we have a serious problem around environmental degradation. But, where is the tree-planting? The single biggest thing we can do to sequester carbon is plant trees. And yet, the Green Party in government are not pushing a massive tree-planting scheme. No imagination shown so far. :(

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:40 PM

    @Darren McEneaney: i get that, its not unfortunate, we are not psychics but that was known the length and breath of this country that there policies would be stepped over. There will always be an excuse. They are dormant vessels and should not sit in government pretending to care.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:32 PM

    @Tony Humphreys: actually, even if you have an older, and still validly ‘clean’ car, by dint of it being pre-2008 you’re subsidising every other post 2008 car on the road by paying tax up to 400% over what they are.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 9:24 PM

    @Chancer freelancer journal: Motor tax regressive too you get punished if you cant afford a new car, you get punished if you cant afford to pay for the 12 moths in one go.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:34 PM

    This is what you get for voting for the greens

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:44 PM

    @Colin: Ireland doesn’t even have the electricity to powe EV’s but Green Party punish you for not driving a car we’ve no fuel for and is anyway too expensive. Build a few gas fired power stations or nuclear power stations (but the nuclear waste destroying our environment is not good! They still dump nuclear waste in the Oceans….) and maybe you can generate enough electricity. EV’s way too expensive though and batteries…hmm

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:03 PM

    @Damian Moylan:

    EV isn’t even a taxation solution. I’m living in Switzerland a country with nuclear energy (carbon neutral, let’s ignore the waste). I switched my Audi petrol guzzler for a tesla. As did many others here, the road tax coffers got hammered and now the system for EV has been switched to PS. I pay the same tax now as a Porsche, ie more than my gas guzzling Audi.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:13 PM

    @Damian Moylan: Yes I read some time back that Ireland will face an ‘Electricity crisis’ by 2050 and that’s was not including if all were using EV’s

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:14 PM

    @Wreck Tangle: Aye, i think figures were around 6 billion in tax from motoring .. that will have to be recouped somewhere ..

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:17 PM

    @Da_Dell: PLUS Dole Money for 10s of thousands of car mechanics and car parts suppliers

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    Oct 13th 2020, 5:01 PM

    @Damian Moylan: And thats if they can get it, my Father and Brother are mechanics and have a small garage in small rural town, classed as self employed and entitled to very little, my father is nearly 80 and still working, and in the past was paying 70% income tax.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 8:11 PM

    @Da_Dell: Fully agree mate.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:26 PM

    Take away parking for civil servants and politicians in dublin. Watch them solve the problems then…

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:17 PM

    Would be helpful to know how much change to the per litre price before we all get our bicycle out of the shed.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:19 PM

    @Nioe: The bike isn’t an option in most of rural Ireland.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:24 PM

    @Nioe: about €1.50 on a typical €60 tank

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:27 PM

    @Realist: so still cheaper than this time last year

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:33 PM

    @Fachtna Roe: It’s Ryan and co that should be on there bike, out of government,

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:42 PM

    @Nioe: . Each Euro increase per ton adds approx 0.28c per litre of petrol and 0.35c for diesel.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:53 PM

    @Fachtna Roe: if it encourages more centralised habitation in towns, then that would serve the greater good, and bus stops would be more logically located. The only people living in the country side should be farmers. This all starts with urban and rural planning, of course, which is practically non existent in rural ireland… so fkd either way.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:58 PM

    @Nioe: Only applies to Dublin Centric Green Party dudes who’ve never left Dublin and think we can all cycle to work.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:01 PM

    @Damian Moylan: I’d cycle to work every day aswell, if like Eamon Ryan I could sleep all day after getting there.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:34 PM

    @Nioe: typical assanine woke comment. Try commuting from Portumna to Galway city each day whey don’t you, on your bicycle. In winter. In the rain & snow.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 10:06 PM

    @UrbsAntiqua: that’s a real townies view on things. People from the countryside want to stay living in the countryside we don’t like living in towns or else we would. I love the way people who live in Dublin in particular want to dictate how everybody lives and that the city that has all the public transport it needs but still has as many cars nearly as the rest of the country and still drive them despite all the buses and luas etc has the nerve to tell people who live in rural Ireland how they should live. If Leo and the rest of his Dublin cadre had their way the countryside in Ireland would be abandoned with a massive factory farm every couple of miles… No effing thanks.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 10:38 PM

    @UrbsAntiqua: There are so many things wrong with that statement it’s hard to know where to start.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:33 PM

    Carbon tax increase will also push up electricity and gas bills. Cheers lads

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:40 PM

    Keep voting the Green Party in & a car will be a luxury for the rich in the future, The Green Party want to abolish 60% of all cars,

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:41 PM

    @Looney Tunes: Green Party out now

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:18 PM

    The petrol hybrid people are in for a shock when they find out there car isn’t green

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:18 PM

    Treating urban and rural the same on this isn’t equity.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:26 PM

    @Fachtna Roe: The increased transport costs inherent in a rural lifestyle are offset by lower property costs.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:33 PM

    @Derek Walsh:
    Sorry what ?

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:38 PM

    @Derek Walsh: codswhollop..!!

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:39 PM

    @Derek Walsh: @Willie expressed it well enough; I’d have said “huh?”

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:39 PM

    @Derek Walsh: Lower wages for the most part, non-existent access to local hospital, inadequate public transport, and the list goes on….

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:47 PM

    @Derek Walsh: Here’s another way to look at this: how does this increase help *me* to go electric. I’d love to, but it’s not affordable for me. Even if it were, I’d still have to move mountains to enable home charging. And there’s no charging available in my work place. But setting those three issues aside, how does this help me? Given that I’d like to drive electric, if I’m spending more on 2 hours of diesel daily, then that reduces any amount I might set aside to upgrade to electric.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:50 PM

    @Derek Walsh: property is a one off purchase in the case of the vast majority of rural residents.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:08 PM

    @Fachtna Roe:

    You are completely right.

    I’m driving an EV in Switzerland and love it because there is an extensive network of chargers. If I leave Switzerland for holiday, I borrow/rent a petrol car. EV only works with a network of chargers, without you spend your whole life planning your day around where to charge.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:21 PM

    @Wreck Tangle: Yip was same for me, would like an EV, but impractical outside Dublin and Cork, and that’s a big stretch to say its practical yet in Dublin or Cork.. always found it hilarious to see the broken down EV on the motorway, with the recovery vehicle pulling a diesel generator plugged into the EV. I was part of pilot program when working for ESB in Dublin a couple of yrs back, it was like a mission impossible everyday to complete the journey, especially in bad weather, switching off all I could, demisters, wipers, lights to make the final km’s .. scary stuff at times :-)

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:36 PM

    @Derek Walsh: people don’t live rural for some ‘lifestyle’ reason. The corollary is that you must think all those living in 1000′s of semi-d’s in suburbia made that choice for a similar reason so.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 5:08 PM

    @Da_Dell:

    In Switzerland there’s always a charger nearby. In the cities probably never more than 10 mins away and the car park where I keep it also has a fast charger. I actually use public transport and only use the car once a week. My main use for my car is to travel on weekends. I took it to Italy and spent 5 days stressing over chargers or reaching chargers that were vandalised. They are not practical without a network. Maybe at some stage I go back to an Audi!!

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    Oct 13th 2020, 5:23 PM

    @Wreck Tangle: maybe you can give me a spin in that Audi sometime :-) Im in quarantine at the mo for another 5 days, and rightly so imho :-)

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    Oct 13th 2020, 5:25 PM

    @Da_Dell: Must have been a nice roar in the Alps Tunnels :-)

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    Oct 13th 2020, 9:17 PM

    @Wreck Tangle: Brilliant post, yup it’s complicated…

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:31 PM

    You voted in the greens didn’t you what did you expect

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:23 PM

    Amazing, who needs to take the car considering the exceptional public transport infrastructures?

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:30 PM

    @Jose Maria: very old narrow roads all over the country. Some with little or no footpaths.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:04 PM

    @Mary Nugent: that’s nonsense. Public buses go through Swiss old towns which are much narrower than Irish Towns and around the narrow roads of the alps.

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    Mute Euro is Dead
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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:24 PM

    Only honest budget in years. At least they had the decency to wear masks when they robbed us

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:03 PM

    @Euro is Dead: nice!!

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    Oct 13th 2020, 5:08 PM

    @Euro is Dead: the least they could have done is buy us dinner before they screwed us

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:34 PM

    Bàšťards

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:29 PM

    This is another Green Party tax, will the clowns who vote this tax party in cop on ,

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:37 PM

    @Jimmy Mac: Good point. Actually no-one voted them into this position of abuse-of-power. But Leo & Micheál did, but hitching their wagon to them and making them power brokers.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 9:19 PM

    @Jimmy Mac: Well no because they are mainly upper middle class voters who can pay ott for EV’s.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:11 PM

    A flupin disgrace,the Green Party let’s come up with loads of alternatives that ordinary people can’t afford and then let’s penalize ordinary people in taxes for it.they should be voted out the lot of them,fed up of paying my life away in taxes

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:26 PM

    I’ll vote for any party who removes USC and reduces carbon tax in their manifesto!

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:27 PM

    @Marcas Ivarsonn: #metoo

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    Oct 13th 2020, 3:50 PM

    Dear Minister, the Govt increases taxes (vrt, road tax) on diesel cars based on NoX emmissions even though NoX is NOT a Greenhouse Gas. NoX is not great for your health but only in conurbations with huge numbers, not a little low density, windy island Ireland in the middle of the ocean. Modern diesels you see these days in Ireland are really low Co2 which is great because Co2 IS a Greenhouse Gas. But let not science get in the way of taxes

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:15 PM

    @Damian Moylan: NOx includes the gasses NO, NO2 and N2O.

    Diesel emit mostly the NO2 and yes you are right, it is not a greenhouse gas, however under certain weather conditions, NO2 from traffic pollution generates Ozone gas.

    Ozone is a extremely powerful greenhouse gas, 918-1022 times stronger than CO2 (though it is short lived, so over 20 years period it’s global warming potential is 62-69 times that of CO2). It’s OK to have Ozone in the Stratosphere where it blocks UV, but Ozone generated by air pollution near the ground is a powerful greenhouse gas. It’s also directly harmful to health.

    This is why they are taking into account the NO2 from diesel vehicles, the NO2 which goes on to generate a strong greenhouse gas.

    https://norwegianscitechnews.com/2016/05/hva-er-det-egentlig-med-denne-nox-en/

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    Oct 13th 2020, 5:40 PM

    @David Jordan: The total amount of Ozone that the Irish motorist would produce in the average year is miniscule.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 6:52 PM

    @Mick.: Yes, thinking about it, Ozone production is weather related and I looked it up, on average Dublin as one day per year where Ozone is produced in large and hazardous quantities, usually during the summer.

    There are EU directives that aim to reduce traffic pollution, CLRTAP and NEC directives. Some parts of Europe are badly affected like northern Italy, where over 15 days year there’s hazardous levels of Ozone.

    I hope the intervention is graded, that they acknowledge that due to our our weather conditions, our summers are generally $hite, we have far fewer days were traffic emissions generates toxic levels of pollution. But I guess this will be a one size fits all thing.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 9:21 PM

    @David Jordan: The problem is Greenhouse gas emmisions not NOX.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:35 PM

    Lower rates for newer cars, glad to see they’re looking after the little guy.
    Didn’t the air quality improve during lockdown, due to big businesses not emitting so much carbon into the air.
    How did this become the motorists fault.

    What they tell you: Buy a greener car
    What they don’t tell you: If you definitely need a new car, it makes perfect sense to buy a small, super-efficient model with low CO2 emissions. However, making a new car – including mining and processing the metals and manufacturing and assembling the components – takes a huge amount of energy. According to an expert at the Stockholm Environment Institute, the production of a typical modern car causes around 8 tonnes of CO2, equivalent to driving 23,000 miles. Because of this, unless you currently drive a lot in a highly inefficient car, it will often be greener to stick to your existing vehicle than to sell it and buy a new one.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 7:11 PM

    @Alan Baird: yep have my car 16 years now. Should get another 5 or so as I look after it . It’s just vanity people changing their cars every 2 or 3 years . And yes , as you pointed out , it’s terrible for the environment creating new cars for an over saturated market. Open your eyes people !

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    Oct 13th 2020, 2:42 PM

    Better fill up today.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 4:19 PM

    Who will pay the Dole money for the 10s of thousands of people working in the car industry such as mechanics and suppliers of car parts,if we all start driving EV’s. I dont think our Govt should have the power to bankrupt these people.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 7:15 PM

    @Damian Moylan: it’s called cold progress . Ask all the printers back in the 90s . Their jobs were wiped out. Retrain relearn move on . Cold but progressive.

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    Oct 13th 2020, 9:28 PM

    @Aunties: This conversation needs to be had despite your disregard for these workers who need to have a voice and not be scrapped because of some utopian and impossible target for zero emmissions with EV’s themselves full of higher hydrocarbon plastic than ICE cars…which come from….oil.

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    Oct 14th 2020, 2:21 AM

    @Damian Moylan: mechanics i highly regard. Like firemen, nurses , garda . There will always be cars in some shape or form. They’ll just have to retrain like the printers when their jobs were made obsolete by an emerging technology .

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    Oct 13th 2020, 7:00 PM

    Keep buying diesel even if they are more expensive to buy they will still be cheaper to run over the life of the car especially people who commute long journeys daily

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    Oct 13th 2020, 8:54 PM

    0% VAT on airline fuel.
    Thanks Eamon.

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