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In White House remarks, Trump claims without evidence that election is being stolen from him

Trump insisted there had been “historic election interference by big media, big money and big tech”.

US PRESIDENT DONALD Trump has made his first public remarks since he called the election a “fraud on the American people” late on election night. 

Speaking to reporters at the White House he said: 

“If you count the legal votes I easily won. If you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal the election from us.”

Without providing any evidence, he claimed that there had been “historic election interference by big media, big money and big tech” in the 2020 election.

Speaking at a press conference in the White House press briefing room, he added: 

“I have already decisively won many critical states including massive victories in Florida, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, to name just a few.

Without evidence, he again claimed: “We won these and many other victories despite historic election interference from big media, big money and big tech.”

His comments come after Joe Biden earlier said he had “no doubt” that he was going to become the 46th president of the United States. 

Biden urged Americans to “stay calm” and to wait until every vote was counted.

Speaking hours after the former Vice President’s brief remarks, as his lead continued to narrow in the key states of Georgia and Pennsylvania, Trump claimed the Republicans were “winning in all the key locations” but then their lead had been “whittled away”.

“We were winning in all the key locations by a lot, actually, and then our numbers started miraculously getting whittled away in secret.”

Referring to legally permissible observers, the US President claimed that when observers arrived, they were told to be “100 feet away” from the count.

“When the observers got there, they wanted them 60, 70 feet away, 80 feet, 100 feet away, or outside the building, to observe people inside the building”, he told reporters.

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On the postal vote system, Trump added: “I’ve been talking about mail-in voting for a long time. It’s really destroyed our system, it’s a corrupt system.”

He claimed the “blue wave” predicted by the polls had never materialised and there had been a “big red wave instead”.

He added: “The pollsters got it knowingly wrong.

“There was no blue wave that they predicted, they thought there was going to be a big blue wave – that was false, it was done for suppression reasons.

But instead there was a big red wave and it has been properly acknowledged by the media, they were, I think, very impressed but that’s after the fact.

He challenged Joe Biden and the Democrats to “clarify that they only want legal votes”.

“They talk about votes, I think they should call them legal votes, they want every legal vote counted and I want every legal vote counted,” he said.

He added he wanted “openness and transparency” during the process without “secret count rooms”, “mystery ballots” or votes cast after the official election day.

“They want the process to be an honest one, it’s so important”, he said.

“We want an honest election, an honest count and we want honest people working back there because it’s a very important job.

That’s the way this country is going to win, that’s the way the United States is going to win.

Trump said his party thought they would win the election “very easily” but that there would be “a lot of litigation” involved.

“We have so much evidence, so much proof and it’s going to end up, perhaps, at the highest court in the land”, he said.

“We think there will be a lot of litigation because we can’t have an election stolen like this.”

Trump said his goal was to “defend the integrity” of the election, despite offering no evidence of voter fraud during his press conference.

Biden, throughout the campaign, urged his supporters to vote by post if they needed to, due to fears over the coronavirus pandemic. Trump repeatedly cast doubt on the integrity of that system and called for his voters to vote in person on election day. 

The states still in play are currently counting the postal votes, which skew heavily in favour of Biden, having counted the election day votes – which skewed in favour of Trump – first. 

Biden earlier told reporters in his hometown of Wilmington, Delaware:

“We continue to feel very good about where things stand. We have no doubt that when the count is finished, Senator Harris and I will be declared the winners.” 

Biden made similar remarks in a speech yesterday evening. 

As it stands per projections by Associated Press, Democrat Biden has 264 electoral college votes and just one additional state should clinch him a victory. 

Biden would require a win in either Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina or his home state Pennsylvania to reach the necessary 270 votes.

As additional votes are added to his tally, Biden continues to gain on Trump in Pennsylvania. A final result may emerge in the state overnight, Irish time.  

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    Mute Irish Republican
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    Feb 25th 2014, 5:38 PM

    Disgusted at UK Govt doing a sordid deal with SF murderers that stops families getting the justice they deserved

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    Feb 25th 2014, 5:43 PM

    I welcome this news, to many British terrorists were never brought to justice for the likes of the Dublin and Monaghan massacres, we have a peace process and we need to move on!

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    Feb 25th 2014, 5:57 PM

    @Michael go back under your rock.

    Shinners will protect their own no matter what. SF hasn’t a shred of decency or honesty. But I guess we have known that for decades

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:05 PM

    “Shinners will protect their own no matter what”

    Why do you think secret deals were made with the IRA, Bruce? The British government have skin in the game too. They have a lot to lose, and a lot to be embarrassed about themselves.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:10 PM

    If Sinn Fein want to be seen as improved and rehabilitated, just tell where the missing bodies are. People might start to trust the feckers then.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:10 PM

    Exactly. The thing is, everyone knows what the IRA did during the troubles, but we’ve only just begun to scratch the surface when it comes to British terror plots. One side has a lot more to hide than the other.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:12 PM

    Well said white fang

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:27 PM

    British Army’s secret ‘terror unit’ Military Reaction Force shot dead innocent civilians in Ireland.

    Patrick McVeigh was one of the people killed by the Military Reaction Force (MRF) in the early seventies.
    A secret Army “terror” unit set up to target the IRA in the early 1970s was responsible for shootings in which unarmed civilians were killed, it has been
    The Military Reaction Force was given licence to operate a shoot-to-kill policy against IRA suspects, former members tell the BBC’s Panoroma tonight.

    A former members describe how the unit operated outside the law at times.

    Soldiers from the undercover unit carried out a series of drive-by shootings where people were killed and injured – even though there was no evidence that they were armed or IRA members.

    MRF soldiers responsible for five shootings in Belfast in 1972 where two civilians died and 12 others were injured.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:47 PM

    You really have to wonder at these shinners, was this bomb legitimate? Simple question but watch the cowards run

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:56 PM

    i consider the four british soldiers legitimate targets and wouldnt think twice about what happened to them

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:59 PM

    Diarmuid if you are genuinely concerned about the disappeared I would tend to put more weight behind your’s and similar calls when I read about you calling for the Irish goverent to open the archives on the disappeared of the tan and civil wars. Or maybe the hundreds or even thousands of disappeared babies and children sold or otherwise from the laundries and orphanages throughout the State. These files exist but kept under lock and key.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:05 PM

    Well said Michael

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:13 PM

    Iron man the hide park bomb involved 2 protagonist in a conflict. 1 military force targeting another. So I would say it a lot more legitimate than sending paras into ballymurphy in 71 and Derry 72. Two operations launched by Brits that resulted in 25 innocent civilian deaths.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:14 PM

    @ M bowe, Really ? wtf has the laundries and orphanages got to do with this article ? if this is the logic behind your argument then log off now. We all know there is more than one side to the troubles, all I’m saying is SF need to account for some atrocities done to innocent families on this Island before we the people can trust them……. ……….. …… Same goes for the Church, the Governments of the past and Present., but they are a separate argument. The british armed forces and the british Governement have a lot to answer for…… but they are a separate argument too, I don’t put them in the same Category. as theyre not looking for my vote and pretending to care while still hiding their evil past like SF are.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:33 PM

    The idea that the actions of the British army or government during the troubles belongs in a separate argument to that of the IRA is farcical, Diarmiud.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:39 PM

    You are a disgusting individual.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:55 PM

    Yes it was legitimate – You have not seen what I have seen – the violent thuggery committed by British Troops against our people was inexcusable, they had to be taken on, and in the same circumstances I would do it again.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:59 PM

    You Sir, Diarmuid O’Connor, are a sniveling traitor

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:08 PM

    You obviously didn’t vote for the good Friday agreement……

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:18 PM

    These soldiers were on ceremonial duty, it was nothing to do with the troubles in NI. A soft target, the only thing the IRA was capable of. One of the most cowardly militant groups of all time.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:24 PM

    Padraig o breanain, as far as I’m concerned the majority of Ira members in this country (Republic) we’re mere criminals who used the beliefs of genuine republicans as an umbrella and an excuse to rob banks and act like thugs. Call me a traitor if you wish, but I have served this country as have family members of mine, and friends of family have died at the hands of these thugs and bank robbers calling themselves republicans, I deserve the right to an opinion, as do you, but I won’t get personal with you.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:28 PM

    Are you afraid to post under your real name Stephen? Fianna Fail lacky!

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:41 PM

    So hibernicus, what do you consider the tourists who were injured, some seriously. They would just be collateral damage I suppose, and the unfortunate horses, I suppose they would be the biggest loss of all.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:42 PM

    Hey Ó Connor, I suppose the all the violence in 1916 and in the war of independence – all the horrible horrific slaughter that went on – a pregnant woman traveling in a British army staff car for example – riddled to death, the whole lot of them. Two police officers, not far from where I live in Co Galway, blasted away, shot in the back by the IRA of the time. I’m not criticizing them, they had to do it, but in your mind I suppose that was all “good terrorism” “The same stupid auld argument “our IRA was better that your IRA”

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    Feb 25th 2014, 9:36 PM

    No, o brennaoin no Ira is good Ira in my opinion. A bank robber who shoots a member of this republic’s police force is not a hero in my eyes, he is the traitor. Tell me where in my statement did you get that opinion for your latest historical rant from.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 10:21 PM

    are you actually asking me a question or are you answering it for me ??

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:05 AM

    Dairmuad my point is clear. Your concern about the disappeared comes across as political one up manship rather than human concern for these poor victims. As for Sinn Fein looking for votes, there is no political party in this state that have not been born out of conflict and by that very nature have a very checkered history. As a republicain I can say that all victims of our past deserve and merit whatever closure can be afforded then from whatever source. But I will resist and highlight the hierarchy of victim hood which you and others subscribe to for your own political agenda.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:09 AM

    Dairmuad Notice you claim to deserve the right of an opinion for yourself but attempt to order me to log off for posting my opinion. Fascist or what?

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:12 AM

    Oh sorry hibernicus, I omitted the question mark.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 2:01 AM

    no you asked a question and then proceeded to answer it you clown,nothing to do with a question mark i am not the grammar police

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    Feb 26th 2014, 2:53 AM

    All these shinners should be locked up, is there any crime that the shinners don’t support. Let’s hope karma sorts ye animals and your families out.i really do hope you and your family suffer in any way possible for your evil ways

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:54 AM

    Taken on by bombing a ceremonial parade on horseback? How brave. Real soldiery there. Murdering IRA scrotes

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    Feb 26th 2014, 5:41 AM

    SF/IRA are cowards this is what you expect from the webbed feet subhumans

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    Feb 26th 2014, 6:13 AM

    Webbed feet subhumans? You really are some gobsh!te Tinman. The Provos are Irish heroes who brought the fight to the Brits. Our day will come. 32 county republic :D

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    Feb 26th 2014, 7:45 AM

    You still never answered the question. So I’m a clown because I see murder as murder and believe that a murderer should pay for his crime, no matter which side he’s on. I was taught that 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 5:42 PM

    So that what it means when someone says “he got away with murder”…..
    No justice for the people who were killed…

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:02 PM

    That’s a rather rash statement Dermot. Innocent until proven guilty anyone?

    Lest we forget it’s not like the British judicial system has great form when it comes to charging Irish people in high profile cases.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:55 PM

    Secret deal? The Good Friday Agreement…??? Give it a Google for the full text. He was informed there would be no future prosecutions because that was one of the terms of the GFA. Stupid headline! A spell check wouldn’t have been a bad shout either!

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:13 PM

    Oh come now Shaun, you hardly expect people to admit that they never read the GFA in the first place. Then they would have to admit that they signed off on this deal, the early release of prisoners charged with terrorist offences and non prosecution of other alleged offenders.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 9:29 PM

    Don’t think it was part of the Good Friday Agreement. People were prosecuted after the GFA but didn’t serve time if convicted. This seems to be part of a separate deal that was done subsequently.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:24 PM

    Even Peter Hain, the former British Secretary of State for the six counties has admitted John Downey should never have been brought to court… “He should have been in the clear. I was astonished that he was arrested. He was in receipt of a letter from the NIO which followed painstaking investigation by a team of police officers who loosed to see whether there was sufficient evidence to bring a prosecution. There clearly wasn’t in this case which is why he got the letter that he did.”

    Welcome home John.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:04 PM

    Iron Man they were different times we lived in back then and as for karma I’d say the likes of him and his fellow comrades they’ll go to heaven. It’s very easy for free state idiots to have a say in the matter when clearly most of us are all West Brits.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:18 PM

    I notice that after 18 of a peace process and lots of soul searching and compromise by republicans. The only person advocating and still promoting deaths is yourself ironman. Be it by karma or otherwise. And you have brass neck to judge others s%um, murders etc.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:19 PM

    18 years

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:31 PM

    No doubt SF TD Martin Ferris will welcome home another murderer with a party

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:58 PM

    Stay classy Ironman.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:44 PM

    Tinman is a bitter little loyalist thug who pretends he’s actually from the republic. From his disgusting language and bitter outlook you can tell he comes from the Willie Frazer school of thought. They hate the fact that Sinn Fein MLAs are now in Stormont as equals. It eats them up with hatred. You will notice that all of Tinmans language dehumanises Republicans. This is the language of Loyalism. Stuck in the past.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:54 PM

    What about your disgusting language when you mocked the Shankill bomb victims Roland?

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    Feb 25th 2014, 9:03 PM

    Where’s Shankill?

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    Feb 25th 2014, 9:08 PM

    You mocked the Shankill bomb victims on another thread on here. Im just reminding you and other posters what you done, ok.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:02 AM

    nobody cares what he did jamesy you parasite

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    Feb 26th 2014, 2:20 AM

    I’ll keep reminding him anyway when he attempts to take the moral high ground.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 2:55 AM

    Ever wonder why you have webbed feet Roland?

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    Feb 26th 2014, 5:44 AM

    Peter hain also said baron Adams was on the army council of SF/IRA. But no doubt the webbed feet lads only hear what they want too, sad pathetic individuals who should be rounded up, water boarded, shock therapy and then a padded cell for life so they can’t murder or rape any more kids

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    Feb 26th 2014, 6:15 AM

    The only person on here who talks of raping kids is you Tinman. You seem to delight in it you sick b@stard. You need help.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 11:33 AM

    Roland you mocked innocent bomb victims including children

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    Feb 26th 2014, 11:53 AM

    Ah Jamesie is back with his selective outrage. You don’t seem to be too bothered about Tinmans mocking of Republican victims and of his disgusting dehumanising of nationalists and republicans.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:32 PM

    I don’t know what all the fuss is about. It is the people ( the people who voted for the Good Friday Agreement) that allowed for this situation to happen. The people who voted for this gave a free pass to alleged killers not Sinn Fein. The people who now are giving out about it are the one’s who are denying justice to so many victims and families.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:52 PM

    bombing and murder- no fuss to the shinners. Animals should be caged or domesticated

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:27 PM

    But the people of the Great Britain didn’t vote on it, so they didn’t let it happen.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:41 PM

    Ironman you are nothing but a hypocrite, in your above post you were calling for karma in a very painful way for a man that there is no definite proof he carried out any crime. You call republicans animals, think you should look in the mirror!

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:55 PM

    Charles the people of Great Britain did vote for it seeing as how NI is part of Great Britain. Ironically the Unionists who regard themselves as “the people of Great Britain” voted for the GFA so they also have a hand in this get out of jail free card.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:07 PM

    NI is part of of the United Kingdom not Great Britain

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:08 PM

    If this was just an ordinary citizen guilty of no crime at all then why is SF having a say on his acquittal and why are there people on here rejoicing in it?

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:14 PM

    The people of NI are not of Great Britain. Britain is an island. The full title of the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The distinction is clearly made.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:45 PM

    United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland as other people have pointed out. So I can rephrase if you like. Only the people of the Ireland voted on the Good Friday Agreement and not the people of Scotland, Wales or England.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:49 PM

    Innocent until proven guilty.

    I remember when this bomb went off. The English media made a bigger deal about the horses being killed than the soldiers. You couldn’t make it up.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:52 PM

    Will you mock this incident too Roland like you mocked the 1993 Shankill bombing victims?

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    Feb 25th 2014, 11:29 PM

    I remember this also. Targeting soldiers and the active enemy was one thing, almost understandable during those horrible times . But I could never, understand why they targeted an event as such , this was more a tourist attraction .

    But I do remember as someone already mentioned, being aghast that there seemed to be much bigger fuss over the death of the horses than the soldiers at the time

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:11 AM

    It’s high time all republican were interned, it worked before. These animals have show they still support murder, rape and kiddy fiddling

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    Feb 26th 2014, 7:47 AM

    This is why sf will never have the support of ordinary decent people, any party that welcomes the acquittal of a murderer and is preparing a welcome home for him disgusts anyone with any human decency.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 8:38 AM

    A freedom fighter McBab

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    Feb 26th 2014, 9:39 AM

    Obviously Roland you are one of those without any human decency. Thank goodness you are in the minority.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 11:59 AM

    Obviously McBab, you are one of the ones who thinks they can defeat Republicanism. Thank god you are in the minority. The Brits realised they could not beat them and would still be trying in a hundred years. Thank god they coped on.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:37 PM

    “I welcome his release and look forward to seeing him at home in Donegal in the near future.” This says a lot about Doherty and the so-called hew Sinn féin. This murderous slaughter in 1982 was a new low even for these IRA thugs. Seven horses were also blown apart – and for what? Their imperialist actions perhaps? One survivor, having suffered PTD committed suicide in 2012 after first killing his two children. I am sure that SF/IRA would have a good laugh at this.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:42 PM

    SF haven’t changed a bit.

    Thankfully the bulk of people here will never forget that.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:46 PM

    Lyons, whats your opinion on the British army or the UVF? Are you morally consistent, and denounce the murders carried out by them with the same intensity? Or are you a hypocrite who only cares about deaths when you can use them to make a cheap political point?

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:54 PM

    SF say they distance themselves from terror and throw a welcome party for this animal. Have they any morals at all

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:55 PM

    When you can shake hands with people from many lands ‘ you will finally see the point of life!

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:59 PM

    paddy the 7 horses outrages you but no mention of your disgusting cultures treatment of irish people up the north or the british and unionists colluding in terrorism but you draw the line at horses !!!

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:00 PM

    @Paddy Lyons, I have to admit I did feel sorry for the horses…..

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:43 PM

    A new low Paddy, a successful operation by the IRA, they killed military personnel and no civilians. It says a lot about the British army that there was more of an outrage that horses were killed than the actual soldiers themselves.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:40 PM

    A cowardly operation to murder off duty soldiers you mean. All they were capable of.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:53 PM

    Pat, sure wouldn’t it be harder to train a horse than your average Brit soldier!! Gotta feel sorry for Paddy Lyons, Tinman, Ink Toner etc, all they have is selective outrage, bitterness and hatred.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 9:14 PM

    Roland you make a great case for not wanting a united Ireland. We don’t want your type of vitriol and hatred.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 9:22 PM

    Roland wont ever have to worry about a united Ireland because its not happening. When he visits Derry he’ll still be spending his sterling in Browns restuarant :)

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    Feb 25th 2014, 10:26 PM

    sure its not jamesy aka paddy lyons aka loyalist arsehole,keep telling yourself that

    thats why we have more whole ireland organisations than ever before and unionists cant even fly their when they want or where they want any more,what you are seeing now is the last sting of a dying wasp

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    Feb 25th 2014, 10:26 PM

    No answer, Paddy? There’s no better way to make loyalists go away than to ask them to confirm their hypocrisy and double standards.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 11:42 PM

    How do you know SF haven’t changed when you had never even heard of the Good Friday Agreement?!

    Pathetic stuff. Take a back seat on this one.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 11:42 PM

    ^ @Jeremy.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:09 AM

    Their support levels have changed though. Steadily upwards :)

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:24 AM

    Jamesy speaking of Derry would you like to share why loyalist feel it appropriate to fly para regimental flags in that city every January on run up to the Bloody Sunday anniversary????

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    Feb 26th 2014, 2:40 AM

    Why you asking me?

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    Feb 26th 2014, 8:40 AM

    They take euros in Browns Jamesie :)

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:26 PM

    Nothing will change in the North until the people involved start being honest about their actions in the ‘troubles’. Instead what we have all sides pointing and shouting at the other side claiming ‘they were worse than us’. I would love for SF / IRA to put all their cards on the table and acknowledge every single action they undertook. Then they can look at the both governments/ unionists and say ‘we were honest now you try it’. I know I’m incredible naive to think this is remotely possible.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:37 PM

    Harry, why do you just single out the IRA to have to do this? The IRA at least admitted they were active protagonists in the conflict stating that they wanted to “address all of the deaths and injuries of non-combatants caused by us. We offer our sincere apologies and condolences to their families. There have been fatalities amongst combatants on all sides. We also acknowledge the grief and pain of their relatives.” To this day, the British Government denies even being anything more than a “referee” in a civil conflict despite their security forces suspected of being involved in up to 1000 sectarian murders. They have not admitted being involved in the conflict, never mind apologised, and yet you are on here demanding the IRA should be the ones putting their cards on the table? This is symptomatic of the mindset south of the border, which dictates that the IRA were the cause of the conflict and the only ones with anything to answer for, while the actual facts remain that the first british soldier killed (Hugh McCabe in 1969) was killed by the RUC, and that the first RUC officer to be killed (Constable William Arbuckle) was killed by loyalists, and that the first sectarian killings (of John Scullion and Peter Ward) were carried out by the UVF; and that the first bombings (in 1969) were carried out by loyalists and that the first of almost a thousand state killings (of Sammy Devenney, in front of his family; and of nine-year-old Patrick Rooney) were carried out by the RUC. But while we have folks like you only demanding answers from one side, then no progress can or will be made.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:45 PM

    @Slow John, your are not “incredibly naive” but “incredibly” selective in choosing the victims of one side over the other by placing responsibility on Sinn Fein and the IRA.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:47 PM

    …error……..Slow Harry and not ‘Slow John’, apology for involving you brother ;-)

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:50 PM

    We will start treating ye like humans when ye start acting like humans

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:57 PM

    ironman stop pretending you talk for the whole nation,plenty of irish people supported the IRA and have no problem with british soldiers being killed,yes i am one of these people and proud to say it

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:37 PM

    Slow Harry are you serious??? The IRA have accounted for all their actions during the Troubles. They have acknowledged and admitted to everything they done. Even last year they admitted to killing that prison officer in the early eighties, which was one of the last crimes suspected of having IRA involvement that they hadn’t yet acknowledged. Do a bit of research on this matter and you will realise it is the British state that has yet to account for a huge of amount of actions during the Troubles not the PIRA.

    Everyone already knows the actions they were involved. Can you please enlighten me as to what you meant by your statement because it puzzles me when people say they have to account for their actions when they already have, and everything they were involved in is in the public domain.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:24 PM

    The British were a referee here, the conflict was mostly sectarian. Surely you realise the republican groups engaged in sectarian murder, or will you deny that too and make me list names, dates and incidents?

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:28 PM

    There were no 1000 state killings either mate. The RUC and army combined killed about 350.

    Loyalist and republican terrorist groups killed 3000.

    Get your fcuking facts right.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 10:55 PM

    “The IRA have accounted for all their actions during the Troubles” Like Gerry McCabe & Jean McConville etc etc etc

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    Feb 25th 2014, 11:05 PM

    The IRA have admitted that their members were involved in these killings yes, have the British admitted to their undercover forces working with loyalists to murder nationalists?? The IRA have nothing to hide, every one knows they committed these crimes and they don’t deny it, unlike the Brits. Republicans have repeatedly called for a truth and reconciliation commission, why do you think the British state doesn’t fancy that idea?

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    Feb 25th 2014, 11:11 PM

    Actually the conflict was not sectarian. Only one side fought a sectarian war.

    Only 7% of Republican/Nationalists killings were deliberate sectarian killings.

    85% of Unionist/Loyalist killings were deliberate sectarian killings.

    All these killings were equally despicable, but they’re the facts.

    My thoughts are will the families of the victims.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 11:24 PM

    you want people to believe that sinn fein would engage in an honest manner when Gerry Adams won’t even admit membership of the Ira, yeah right

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    Feb 25th 2014, 11:28 PM

    Also why do you & your buddies always have to bring the actions of the brits in to it ? Most people know the wrongs committed by them, it’s the raising of cold blooded murders from any side as hero’s that is wrong

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:00 AM

    OMG TOM!!! A story about SF being hijacked by freestate clowns talking about….yip you guessed it…Jerry McCabe & Jean McConville (apparently the only two victims of the conflict). I know I’ve raised this point before on another story here today, but I wonder could numpties like yourself who continually dig up the memories of these two victims actually name a SINGLE victim of loyalist paramilitaries/the british state throughout the thirty year political conflict without resorting to google? Or, as seems to be the case, does your ENTIRE knowledge of a three decades long political conflict in their own country revolve around the only two victims they know the names of and as a result, the only two victims you care about (or are told by the “impartial media” to care about? Though if you actually even did care about these two victims instead of using and abusing their names for cheap shots at SF, then you’d of course know that the man’s name was “Jerry” McCabe. Not “Gerry”. Not that ye name abusers could care less.

    (just to re-post something I already posted on another story today)

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:03 AM

    Sweet f**K James, where to start. If you’re going to tell someone to get their facts right, then maybe go read a book yourself first (might I suggest Lost Lives, by Anne Cadwallader). I lived through the conflict at first hand. An Fhirinne, the victims group which represents vicitims of state collusion, represents almost 1000 families who lost members as a result of loyalist/british security force collusion. The RUC/british army combined DIRECTLY killed about 350. But they assisted loyalist paramilitaries in the murders of many hundreds more. If the British Government was “a referee” then:

    1. Why was the independent judge John Stevens appointed to investigate collusion?
    2. Why, when he presented his report to the British government, did that government only release nineteen (heavily censored) pages, and withhold the other almost 20,000 pages from the public?
    3. Have you ever heard of Brian Nelson? http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/sf31398.htm

    It really does beggar belief that anybody in this country actually still believes the British Government were just innocent referees in a sectarian conflict. There’s simply no excuse for such gross stupidity.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:07 AM

    jamesy the british army is responsible for millions of irish deaths and that is not one single bit of exaggeration or hype,its a cold hard fact

    350 !!!!!!!! hahahahaha you are some clown

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    Feb 26th 2014, 2:32 AM

    The loyalists killed 1000, im not disputing that. Theres no proof that the state were in any way responsible for all these killings, just unfounded republican propaganda and rhetoric and excuses because the IRA campaign died out with not an inch of ground gained. Republicans will blame anything they can for that less than satisfactory end to the conflict. Get on with your lives mate, no matter how much crying you do you will never get British army personnel or politicians into the courts. The British are hardly going to admit something that never happened.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 2:35 AM

    The police and army here kept the two sides apart, if theres no trouble between the two sides then why is NI heavily ghettoised and split with peace walls?

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    Feb 26th 2014, 2:36 AM

    PS I live through the conflict too. Is your first hand experience more valid than mine or what?

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:02 AM

    The inbreeding program is alive and well in Tyrone. Passing days in bed with your sister- that’s the shinner way

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    Feb 26th 2014, 9:45 AM

    No proof of state collusion?! I suppose the earth is flat and there’s also no proof to suggest otherwise, yeah? Famine didn’t happen either I’m sure? Google the name Brian Nelson if you can tear yourself away from SF related trolling on thejournal.ie for ten minutes. Have you never heard of The Stevens Report? A few quotes from the heavily censored 19 pages which actually were released by the British Government (God only know how much worse must have been contained in the 20,000 pages of the report they withheld from the public):

    1. “Collusion is evidenced in many ways. This ranges from the willful failure to keep records, the absence of accountability, the withholding of intelligence and evidence, through to the extreme of agents being involved in murder……My three Enquiries have found ALL these elements of collusion to be present. The co-ordination, dissemination and sharing of intelligence were poor. Informants and agents were allowed to operate without effective control and to participate in terrorist crimes. Nationalists were known to be targeted but were not properly warned or protected. Crucial information was withheld from Senior Investigating Officers. Important evidence was neither exploited nor preserved….”

    2. “The withholding of information impedes the prevention of crime and the arrest of suspects. The unlawful involvement of agents in murder implies that the security forces sanction killings.”

    3. “A further aspect of my Enquiry was how the RUC dealt with threat intelligence. This included examination and analysis of RUC records to determine whether both sides of the community were dealt with in equal measure. They were not.”

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    Feb 26th 2014, 11:16 AM

    Who is this Tyone fella?

    Why do we only see him posting in support of the IRA??

    never hear him on other topics.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 11:38 AM

    Only collusion I heard of recently was that between the Gardai and the IRA!!

    The rest is a republican myth and will never be entertained.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 11:56 AM

    James Buchanon showing his true colours again and being selective in who he views as victims. Are you Willie in disguise? Or Jamie Bryson. JB. Lol

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    Feb 26th 2014, 11:56 AM

    James Buchanon showing his true colours again and being selective in who he views as victims. Are you Willie in disguise? Or Jamie Bryson. JB. Lol

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    Feb 26th 2014, 11:56 AM

    James Buchanon showing his true colours again and being selective in who he views as victims. Are you Willie in disguise? Or Jamie Bryson. JB. Lol

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    Feb 26th 2014, 11:56 AM

    James Buchanon showing his true colours again and being selective in who he views as victims. Are you Willie in disguise? Or Jamie Bryson. JB. Lol

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:46 PM

    My post was about collusion victims. I didn’t mention the IRA.

    I know this will come as a shock to you and a lot of others in the freestate, but Jean McConville and Jerry McCabe weren’t actually the only two victims of the thirty year political conflict. They may be the only two victims people like yourself know the names of (and pretend to care about), but there were other victims too. Almost a thousand of whom were victims of the british security forces collusion with loyalist paramilitaries. Read a book.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:25 PM

    Surely suspected and not convicted,means they should not have released his name?

    Rest in peace deepest condolences to the families,truly horrific deaths and sad to see anyone die.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:28 AM

    He is a shinner, he is guilty, same thing really

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:37 PM

    Of course he should be free…this incident happened over 30 years ago in the course of a war….no British soldiers are brought to court for their murderous rampagees

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:26 AM

    Just show the united Ireland is just a pipe dream, when ye act like human we may treat you as humans

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:34 PM

    PSNI really screwed this one up. Maybe deliberately.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:45 PM

    Disgraceful like all SF/IRA he should rot in prison

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:55 PM

    Ironman, if you have nothing intelligent to say, go away. Nobody has any time for your inflammatory prattle. You must be one of the most disliked commenters across the entire website.

    Nobody cares about what you have to say, or wants to hear it.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:13 PM

    Secret deal? do some research journal otr’s have been part of the gfa from the second agreement Saoirse go Deo

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:13 PM

    It must be incredibly difficult for the families of these soldiers to deal with not only the loss of their loved ones, but the dragging out of a court case for decades after. Although, I think the same could be said for any victims of the troubles.

    I can’t help but feel that these soldiers paid the ultimate price for joining an armed forces of an imperial nation. It’s all well and good labeling the IRA, the Taliban and whoever else terrorists, but in the case of the UK it’s their foreign policies that have led to the creation of these groups of “Terrorists” who have declared their wars on the UK.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right, but don’t be surprised when that rule doesn’t always hold true after wronging half the world.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:30 PM

    Nice justification of mass murder there, well done.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:41 PM

    Nice Israeli flag on your twitter profile there Jamesy. Thought a lad like yourself would take every opportunity he could to fly the union jack though, no?

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:48 PM

    Well spotted Chris.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:57 PM

    Dead right Chris. Brit foreign policy is terrorism and has been for 100′s of years. Fire with fire was the only way before the GFA.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 2:24 AM

    My support for Israel is nothing to do with your earlier post. You justified mass murder by the IRA, I suppose you support things like Enniskillen and Omagh too.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:17 AM

    Ah I see you support two nations guilty of atrocity beyond the count, war crimes, illegal occupation and crimes against humanity. Well at least you are consistent.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 6:41 PM

    Why would there be a deal not to prosecute him?

    Aren’t we told Sinn Fein have nothing to do with the IRA & terrorism?

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:03 PM

    what are you raving on about ?? no on said they had nothing to do with them at all,it is the political wing or the IRA that is not in doubt,that is one of the most stupid statements ive ever read

    and before you go on ranting and raving about gerry adams and the army council i am not saying he wasnt,i am not saying the IRA didnt do any wrong or that there was never a member of both,but one is political and the other is military and all your whinging and wanting it to be other wise wont change that

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:16 PM

    Jeremy did you vote yes to endorse the GFA?

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:45 PM

    Ah Jeremy the Good Friday Agreement, are you against that??? You do realise these deals were a part of that and the Irish people voted overwhelmingly for this deal.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 11:02 PM

    I would be against terrorist appeasement.

    The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

    As to voting, it was well before my time.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 11:11 PM

    How do you define a terrorist? The actions of the British army in Ireland over the last four decades were the actions of terrorists in my opinion. Is state sponsored terror good terror and everything else bad terror because the Brits and their lackeys inflicted terror upon the nationalist community of the North.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 11:39 PM

    @Jeremy, you clearly have no understanding of Irish history or politics.

    Perhaps you should read more and rant less?

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:09 AM

    4 decades pat ?? try several hundred years and colin you are wasting your time with these west brits leave them be,they deserve their ignorance

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:08 AM

    We are agreed, I am against terrorist state appeasement as well. Particularly those who shoot a young girls in the face with rubber bullets for no reason, and blind them for the rest of their lives. And those who drive by innocent civies, and collude with loyalist paramilitaries. Now I’m not naive. I know the IRA killed their fair share of civies, and that’s inexcusable and wrong had it been military targets then that would be fine by me. They need to apologise for their civilian kills whether considered collateral damage or not. But when a government behaves in such a manner, and conducting terror attacks then it has to expect reprisal attacks.

    The indiscriminate manner of state killings of those not even associated with the IRA was a war crime, and assembling death squads to kill civilians was state terrorism. Is it any wonder the IRA responded the way they did. Simple fact was that if the nationalialist weren’t burned out of their homes and treated with such disdain then the troubles would never of happened.

    The British army were originally welcomed by the nationalists, then they stood by and let loyalists attack them, and even helped them burn homes. Soldiers of a occupying military colluding, and sponsoring terror groups whether on or off duty are legitimate targets. Just like IRA men and women are legitimate targets for the British army armed or not.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:24 AM

    I have also said on previous occasions, that people from both sides should be before the hague before you accuse me of bias.

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    Feb 25th 2014, 8:44 PM

    Is Pearse Doherty the new Martin Ferris I wonder?

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:25 AM

    Like all shinners he loves murderers and those who facilitate the rape of children. People didn’t expect dopey Doherty to be any different now did they

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    Feb 25th 2014, 10:00 PM

    Sad loss of life on both sides, but now its time for peace, A lot of people need to heal not just the victims but everyone, This could go on and on people said this they said that, Long term all of this needs to be settled to much wasted life on both sides no matter who you support or if you from N Ireland, Ireland or England the only thing that matters is how you can build on this……………….

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    Feb 25th 2014, 10:19 PM

    No paras charged for Bloody Sunday either – no justice for nationalists.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:24 AM

    Neither was any SF/IRA numpty- your point is?

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    Feb 26th 2014, 1:16 AM

    Gilbert “Danny” McNamee (born 29 September 1960[1]) is a former electronic engineer from Crossmaglen, Northern Ireland, who was wrongly convicted in 1987 of conspiracy to cause explosions, including the Provisional Irish Republican Army’s (IRA) Hyde Park bombing on 20 July 1982.[2]

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    Feb 25th 2014, 7:45 PM

    What a price to make Tony and Bertie world peacemakers and justify their obscene speaking fees. Definitely seperated at birth!

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    Feb 26th 2014, 9:54 AM

    I write this at 09:50am and I see Ironman has posts up from “2 hours ago”, “3 hours ago”, “4 hours ago”, “6 hours ago”. So it seems that not only does he spend his all his days looking for SF things to be insulted by, but sits up all night to do so too! Jamesy’s not much better, posting into the wee small hours. I suppose being a flag protester, he has no work to get up for.
    #sadindividuals #getoffyourfatasses #getajob #getalife

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:07 PM

    I’m sure they’ve nothing better to do than drink Buckie and post cr@p here. Suppose that’s what you turn out like when your parents are cousins. Bitter orange bastids.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:07 PM

    I’m sure they’ve nothing better to do than drink Buckie and post cr@p here. Suppose that’s what you turn out like when your parents are cousins. Bitter orange bastids.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 7:24 AM

    Only decent thing any republican ever did was kill themselves like the weight watchers gang in the maze

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    Feb 26th 2014, 3:22 AM

    The best part of all if this is it perfectly illustrates to the people of the republic that you are not ready to be treated like humans yet. Honestly think we are going to allow these animals to join this country? Ye made your bed and we will enjoy watching you rot :)

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    Feb 26th 2014, 5:51 AM

    Psni have informed me they are requesting identities of the terrorist supporter on the journal as if any if those comments were made on the British part of island then serious crimes were committed. Glorifying terrorism is a crime in Britain and let’s hope the police lock these animals up where they belong. Hopefully the British government can then engineer another hunger strike so we can all laugh along at the weight watchers gang like we did in 81 :)

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:04 PM

    You’re some tool Tinman. TAL.

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    Feb 26th 2014, 12:04 PM

    You’re some tool Tinman. TAL.

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