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THE VICTIMS OF “one of the darkest chapters” in Ireland’s history are to have a memorial erected in their names as a formal recognition of their suffering by the State.
Minister Ruairí Quinn unveiled the design of the €500,000 project at a press conference yesterday. The Journal of Light memorial will be erected next to the Garden of Remembrance in Parnell Square in Dublin over the next two years.
The design by Studo Negri and Hennessy & Associates was announced as the winning entry of a competition to provide the memorial to victims of institutional abuse as recommended in the Ryan Report.
Quinn said that he believes Journey of Light will “act as a testimony to one of the darkest chapters in our State’s history and what we collectively as a society allowed to happen to vulnerable children”.
I hope it will serve as a constant reminder that we must never let such horrendous crimes against children happen again and we must strive to protect all of our children.
The Ryan Report also noted the importance of the State’s formal recognition of the abuse and suffering being preserved in a permanent place.
The State apology to victims will be inscribed in English and Irish at a child’s level on the walls and in Braille on a bronze plaque at the base of a water feature.
The monument will also include a lighted walkway and trees. The architects said their proposed design reinforces the importance of State vigilance in protecting its most fragile members. They were clear that it was not an attempt to “find closure” following the revelations of child sex abuse in Ireland.
The design hopes to create a “fluid progression between the Garden of Remembrance, which commemorates those who died for the cause of Irish freedom, with a memorial dedicated to the young victims of abuse”.
Junior Minister Brian Hayes with Ruairí Quinn at the press conference yesterday.
Speaking at the press conference yesterday, Minister Quinn said he was not satisfied with the lack of co-operation from religious congregations in providing redress costs for survivors.
The Irish Times reports that he called their progress so far as “very slow” given that only one of the 18 had accepted the Ryan Report recommendation of a 50:50 contribution.
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Wrong location.
Agreed. It would look like the personal biases of Ho Che Quinn are to be financed by the taxpayer.
The Garden of Remembrance should be left alone. The best place for this is O’Connell Street. Dismantle aherne’s phallic symbol, sell it for scrap and erect a memorial done by the scultor that did the famine sculpture along the quays.
I assume the catholic church/vatican is paying for this, not the tax payer?
I disagree, I think it’s a very good location. It allows one to reflect in peace (Garden of Remembrance has great atmosphere for it already and it would be its extension) and while easily accessible it’s not so in your face as to upset abuse victims who would be passing it every day if it was somewhere very central like the middle of O’Connell St as suggested below.
“I hope it will serve as a constant reminder that we must never let such horrendous crimes against children happen again and we must strive to protect all of our children.”
A constant reminder , hidden away in a corner? It belongs on O’Connell Street.
2012 and rape of children in state care continues. All kept hidden under “law” with SS social workers now playing god.
We have simply replaced one bunch of psychopathic predators with another.
No one is allowed to speak of the children being raped and abused in care in 2012- or get jailed.
Emily Logan for children is blocked and stonewalled at every turn.
Have we changed.? No.
Children are still slaves./ cattle to be warehoused to feed the huge fostering business imported from UK and using the same persecution tactics to snatch children.
Good healthy, well mannered children required to feed the pure energy to the beast/evil.
So, start saving for the next memorial for 20 years time.
The truth is still being hidden.
I can’t help but think the church should have part or entirely funded this… Not the state
If it is about state recognition, why would the church pay?
Both Rome and Irish state colluded.
You beat me to it- yes the old cross of pain and suffering- good for the soul and all that BS.
It reminds us that the pain and suffering of innocent children continues today in secret care system- where Hitler’s Best Interest of the child logo is used. How apt is that.
yes indeed. agreed. ss has alot to answer for.
If it is about state recognition, why would the church pay?
clue: hand in glove
Because the state gets its money from the taxes of abuse victims and their families in essence they’re paying for their own mark of recognition…
The church on the other hand could sell a couple of plots of land or golden thrones…
Waste of tax euros when we are broke… I wonder would it be built if the project had being funded out of ministers pay and expenses
Your right, we shouldn’t do anything other then cut costs and get rid of people out of jobs. This is no time for reminders of things that went wrong and remembering pain and suffering, how dare we.
Its not always about the money Peter,
Peter, you may be damned sure this useless piece of whatever you call it would not have been heaped where it is, if this idiotic government were paying for it. 99 per cent of Survivors did NOT want this thing they are going to erect. Survivors were NOT listened to when they asked them what their opinions on this thing was. They have Never Ever listened to Survivors since the whole Redress System was started, and even NOW, they are NOT LISTENING.
m sure the Vatican has a few pounds tucked away for a rainy day…
Peter, you may be damned sure this useless piece of whatever you call it would not have been heaped where it is, if this idiotic government were paying for it. 99 per cent of Survivors did NOT want this thing they are going to erect. Survivors were NOT listened to when they asked them what their opinions on this thing was. They have Never Ever listened to Survivors since the whole Redress System was started, and even NOW, they are NOT LISTENING.
it is time we were heard. are we not loud enough? still not seen and heard.
brilliant idea but its going to have a huge crucifix on it?? what??
The cruciform is already there in the shape of the Garden of Remembrance…but yeah, a little ironic all the same.
The crucifix is in the adjoining Garden of Remembrance.
You beat me to it- yes the old cross of pain and suffering- good for the soul and all that BS.
It reminds us that the pain and suffering of innocent children continues today in secret care system- where Hitler’s Best Interest of the child logo is used. How apt is that.
I think this is a terrible Idea. Although perhaps it will remind people of the callousness of the church.
Terrible idea as if abused victims needs reminding of the horrible abuse they got , the money would be better spent on helping people cope with their abusement.
This is a terrible idea. Children are still being sexually abused up and down the country. We are still failing our children. 200 children have died while in state care in the last 10 years! So failing our vulnerable children is not something in our past, it continues today. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.
Exactly Caroline. And yet despite the stats of children being 7-8 times more likely to be abused in corporate care- there is a 117% increase in children ordered into care, traumatized, broken, abused so adults and their corporations can make money.
yes Caroline. on it goes seemly no end but the survivors know why and the finger is pointing sky high.
Exactly Caroline. And yet despite the stats of children being 7-8 times more likely to be abused in corporate care- there is a 117% increase in children ordered into care, traumatized, broken, abused so adults and their corporations can make money.
nail hammered in.
A memorial should be erected but this is the wrong location.
To hack away part of the Garden of Remembrance which rememebrs all those who gave their lives for the cause of Irish Freedom and replace it with a memorial to victims of abuse is a bad idea. I think this is Brian Hayes allowing his hatred of Irish republicanism shine through in an attempt to water-down the significance of Garden of Remembrance by making it about more than just one issue.
A better idea would be to place the memorial to victims of abuse at another location not currently used as a memorial. There are plenty of locations in the Phoenix Park or St. Stephen’s Green where it could be located, rather than crammed in on top of an already existing memorial.
Ah but the Garden of Remembrance is all part of the Cult of Death where people go to feed the death cult god their energy- they have no idea they do it of course, but the top 1% understand how energy works.
All part of the grooming of the Irish sheeple
Ah but the Garden of Remembrance is all part of the Cult of Death where people go to feed the death cult god their energy- they have no idea they do it of course, but the top 1% understand how energy works.
All part of the grooming of the Irish sheeple
love the spirit of your messages and the thumbs downs are instructive!
May appear heartless to comment; a memorial for a lot less could be arranged; I’m sure the remainder could be well spent on keeping the child lines working. Can’t get my head around the idea of the State creating a memorial to the victims of it’s own callousness and lack of care. . .
Oh Martin , think about it.
It is all deliberate symbolism to show the people the show goes on with children raped and tortured and sacrificed to their “god”
May appear heartless to comment; a memorial for a lot less could be arranged; I’m sure the remainder could be well spent on keeping the child lines working. Can’t get my head around the idea of the State creating a memorial to the victims of it’s own callousness and lack of care. . .
corrupt governments (leaders) do exactly that (denial)
Oh Martin , think about it.
It is all deliberate symbolism to show the people the show goes on with children raped and tortured and sacrificed to their “god”
brilliantly expressed!
Could not agree more. The victims of abuse don’t need monuments or statues to remind them of what they suffered. They have to live with it every day . Maybe the money would be better spent on counciling for victims .
Thats exactly what it is Jack, a prison, put these two idiotic ministers into it, they are good for nothing else. Yet another total waste of taxpayers money, how long more will this madness go on?
Mossie both look monsters like.
The remembering is really the MENTAL PRISON the veterans of abuse and rape have been confined to.
Sick sick mind games.
I feel the money would be better funded by giving it to all those who suffered from the hands of the church.
Or use the money to build very large prison in outer space or the moon and put all these pedophiles in it.
Kathleen
I totally agree with you Kathleen.
No in Ireland the pedophiles are still protected by their own.
The Pope always says, we take in money, not give it out.
Now the money is still made from children in the newly imported fostering industry- with its 117% increase in children being warehoused.
It is all about making money with children as the commodity..
I totally agree with you Kathleen.
No in Ireland the pedophiles are still protected by their own.
The Pope always says, we take in money, not give it out.
Now the money is still made from children in the newly imported fostering industry- with its 117% increase in children being warehoused.
It is all about making money with children as the commodity.
children continue to be the sacrifice. everybody knows the church funds the politicians (political partys)
The organisation that is responsible for the vast majority of the abuse that took place is getting one of their logos built into it. Astounding!!!
They always look after their own. That is the name of the game for the 1%.
It’s already there, since 1966 – the 50th anniversary of the Rising. Does anyone know anything about anything anymore?
The organisation that is responsible for the vast majority of the abuse that took place is getting one of their logos built into it. Astounding!!!
and that is exactly how (they do it) it works!
top pic looks like a (“model”) prison. pic below looks like a child’s coffin.
Yes, all symbolism used as reminder of sacrifice in the Death cult- Roman Catholic church which still rules Eire in the shadows through the SS/HSE.
Trauma still used to steal the innocent energy of Irish children.
Yes, all symbolism used as reminder of sacrifice in the Death cult- Roman Catholic church which still rules Eire in the shadows through the SS/HSE.
Trauma still used to steal the innocent energy of Irish children.
crystal clear. the symbology is absolutely unmistakable. actually in the face. naked and unhidden to anybody with eyes open. it could be said red flag to bull. likely to cause reaction.
I’d prefer to see a large towering pillar over looking every catholic establishment in the country with two stern eyes staring into them to remind those responsible for the cover up that were watching them!
the church of ‘Ireland’ (the Anglicans) are no better in the real and true story of decades of child abuse in Ireland
Tony, with psychopath predators, they would just ignore it as other psychopathic predators collude with them.
We all knew the score as children and it is getting worse.
A RELIGIOUS PUBLIC TOILET FOR SURE A WASTE OF MONEY A WASTE OF TIME A WASTE OF SUPPORT FOR SURVIVORS THEMSELVES AND ALL IT NEEDS IS A WASTE PIPE TO FLUSH THE CRAP OUT.
Fake
Well first there was the whitewash then the education fund, then the education fund, and then the education fund CHILDREN’S DEVELOPMENT WAS NOT SEEN AS EDUCATION SO THEY NEVER QUALIFIED FOR FUNDING. survivors are just so much trouble so now we gave them the graveyard to bury the whole thing.
they were poor they worked as child slaves they were abused in every way possible and these were NOT the dark ages, Now they are so old in majority in hospitals in rest homes on the streets, alone in rural areas, in rehabs, struggling on pensions, struggling on welfare cuts they have been on for years no fault of their own, no dental treatment no disability funds no hardship funds ( removed from all survivors on welfare or disabilities due to redress payment which really should be seen as hardship fund in advance ) no voice GAGGED and just a selected handful referred to as survivor groups who have no mandates no qualifications no police checks no experiences in dealing with abuse but are paid to keep survivors out.
One word comes to mind when viewing the picture “Germania”.
i agree Charles. simply but powerfully expressed.
Send the Pope an invoice for the costs.
Which Pope? Black, Grey, White?
The inquisition Jesuits are the masters of torture and breaking children before the age of four.
Pope is the richest boy on Mother Earth and people feed him more money every week in Ireland.
Why?
Catherine you are shining!
Well said Mark but the Minister Quinn wants the money he licked his lips at the amount of money and could not help his greed type in Minister Quinn on the Ryan report you tube and see how he pathetically spoke about survivors ( NOT ONE WORD OF HAS HE DONE ANYTHING ABOUT ) but instaed he turbo charges his REAL aim to STEAL the Religious Compensation for his own Government.
Now this Minister if EDUCATION is ALSO an ARCHITECT and tried to BURY his Party’s SHAME on handling survivors and shove it all under the men and women who died for a FREE IRELAND yet the Government has still not mentioned that they Wrongfully Imprisoned CHILDREN by DETENTION of the Courts and then thise CHILDREN were FORCED to do HARD LABOUR to gain PROFITS to build a Catholic Empire
Meanwhile in Lucan we have a permanent reminder that the state and church authorities are totally insincere in this matter as all others when it comes to the welfare of children. Every week 1400 + children must walk through the doors of two schools exposed in the Murphy Report as a protector of church ministry paedophilia – Archbishop Diarmaid Ryan.
So three years after the Murphy Report we know that a problem for the whole of Irish society – abuse of children and women – in which the state authorities have a particular culpable role is not being taken seriously. Diarmaid Martin the consumate politican that he is has chosen to hide behind the decisions of the two boards not to do anything as if cowardice amounted to action and abuse of children was a matter of some crude sort of democracy!
I ask the question again what part of the Catholic or any school ethos is the abuse of children? The naming of or schools after an accessory to systematic paedophilia may have been understandable back in the days before the revelations in the Ryan and Murphy reports but not to correct it is contemptuous of all the abused.
Sorry error in first paragraph of earlier posting.
Meanwhile in Lucan we have a permanent reminder that the state and church authorities are totally insincere in this matter as all others when it comes to the welfare of children. Every week 1400 + children must walk through the doors of two schools named after a protector of church ministry paedophilia – Archbishop Diarmaid Ryan and exposed as such in the Murphy Report .
So three years after the Murphy Report we know that a problem for the whole of Irish society – abuse of children and women – in which the state authorities have a particular culpable role is not being taken seriously. Diarmaid Martin the consumate politican that he is has chosen to hide behind the decisions of the two boards not to do anything as if cowardice amounted to action and abuse of children was a matter of some crude sort of democracy!
I ask the question again what part of the Catholic or any school ethos is the abuse of children? The naming of our schools after an accessory to systematic paedophilia may have been understandable back in the days before the revelations in the Ryan and Murphy reports but not to correct it is contemptuous of all the abused.
I agree Brendan.if you check Canon “Law”, the men of god have it covered.
The SS /Holy See does not approve of pedophilia but it does approve of the Sacred Rite of Molestation- the sacrifice of the child’s innocence to their god and the stealing of the child’s pure soul energy.
I also note that all those red hands are condoning the rapes and tortures suffered by our Veteran brothers and sisters who had the courage to speak out, lest this generation of children suffer the same plight.
Women and children are mere cattle to the patriarchs- women are breeders of the future slaves and children are all deemed to be born of Eve ill Eve and in sin.
The Inquisition Courts with Star Chamber rules still keep all the truth hidden by using SS Hitler slogan- “best Interests of the child”
We all know what he did to children in their best interests.
Yet here we are 2012 using SS Hitler slogan, carrying the torture of children energy signature without a care in the world for our children.
It is only when it affects every home in Ireland that people will wake up the predator virus spreading in our midst.
For now cognitive dissonance keeps the sheeple in their comas.
is a paedophile organization funding the government?
Why is there a cross in it?
Dear Mr. and Mrs/ Miss tax payer 500 000 spent on this survivors would have spent time and just the cost of materials. But they were not asked by this Education Minister Quinn but then he will claim again I spoke to the survivors, HOW MANY QUINN? OH YES OF COUSE THOSE WHO HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT ART AND DESIGN.
WE SURVIVORS STRONGLY VERY STRONGLY OBJECT TO THIS INSULT MR QUINN.
HOW DARE YOU this is Nothing but so so hurtful to all survivors all the survivors you never asked as usual.
A CROSS YOU ARE A FOOL SIR AND YOU ARE WHAT ? THE EDUCATION MINISTER? RESIGN RESIGN RESIGN.
Holemaster it is to bury all survivors stories the Government want closure to shut us up and bury us up.
as i often say the “problem” about children is that apart from being own they are somebody else’s and still they are of little to no value in society. society can be judged by how it treats children. the abuse goes on and certain people are desperate to bury the “problem”
True, but the birth cert means the state Owns the child and parents become Guardian on registering child.
Money is created based upon live birth and traded on the markets.
So legally children are slaves, but most people do not know this.
Baptismal cert means parents sign the soul of their creation/child over to the Vatican.
perhaps this might explain why our State Reps- lawyers etc collude with Rome?
http://one-evil.org/acts_symbols/symbols_triple_crown.htm
The 3rd Crown of the Ecclesiastical See
The third Crown was created in 1537 by Paul III through the papal bull Convocation also meant to open the Council of Trent being the third an final testamentary deed and will of a testamentary trust, being the trust set up for the claiming of all “lost souls”, lost to the See.
The Venetians assisted in the creation of the 1st cestui Que Vie Act of 1540 to use this papal bull as the basis of Ecclesiastical authority of Henry VIII. This Crown was secretly granted to England in the collection and “reaping” of lost souls.
The Crown was lost in 1815 due to the deliberate bankruptcy of England and granted to the Temple Bar, which became known as the Crown Bar, or simply the Crown.
The Bar Associations have been responsible ever since in administering the “reaping” of the souls of the lost and damned, including the registration and collection of Baptismal certificates representing the souls collected by the Vatican and stored in its vaults.
This 3rd Crown is represented by the 3rd cestui Que Vie Trust created when a child is baptized being the grant of the Baptismal certificate by the parents to the church or Registrar being the gift of title of the soul.
Thus, without legal title over one’s own soul, a man or woman may be “legally” denied right to stand as a person, but may be treated as a creature and thing without legally possessing a soul. Hence, why the Bar Association is able to legally enforce Maritime law against men and women- because they can be treated as things, cargo that does not possess a soul.
Aren’t memorials to honour people who have died?? Isn’t it a bit morbid for those living victims??
Cestui que Vie Act.
In a nutshell, the act makes the presumption that all humans are dead, considered lost at sea.
oh yes the memorial has death all about it and many survivors of the holocaust feel the government wants them dead
This question I feel has to be asked and answered urgently before this Government makes a shame of themselves and be accused once again of the abuse of human rights.
How does this Minister of Education not realize yet ? or if he does then this is even worse and should step down as Minister of Education,
The question is this How would the Jews feel like if a swastika was put on a memorial for the abuse they suffered by the German war
Memorial for survivors of institutional abuse at Garden of Remembrance gets planning permission
http://www.irishtimes.com
Cllr Mannix Flynn maintains it is simply too soon given the ongoing nature of abuse allegations and investigations
The REAL question remains WHO do the SO CALLED Groups represent? the survivors of abuse or the HSE and Minister of Education Mr Quinn? We the survivors can guarentee it is NOT the survivors
yes as in legal (gaurdians). melting pot crown.
wonder what sort of holocaust memorial Hitler would have approved?
Good point, considering Hitler used the phrase BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD and we know how those children suffered- death, experiments tortureetc.
Strange how the world considers what Hitler and SS did an atrocity, but the same actions in holy Roman Catholic Ireland are supposed to be swept under the holy carpet, aided and abetted by Servants of the State
Are Irish children not human?
“CHILDREN’S DEVELOPMENT WAS NOT SEEN AS EDUCATION SO THEY NEVER QUALIFIED FOR FUNDING”
tell me more!
All forked tongue diversion psychobabble to avoid addressing the matter and accepting responsibility for it.
Real men would accept responsibility for the crimes.
Irish people seem to be suffering Stockholm Syndrome- bonded to their torturers, mind controllers.
The Veteran survivors are the ones with the answers as they have endured the experiences.
500,000 and I wonder who is profiting from it?
Let me guess.
well yes Catherine child abuse victims can be so affected as to be enslaved for a “life” time unless wake up (in pain) and how tempting to sleep! yes society could benifit alot by supporting the survivors.
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