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LAST UPDATE | 3 Dec 2020
SINN FÉIN HAS said claims made by Tánaiste Leo Varadkar that he has been targeted by supporters of the party with racist and homophobic abuse are “without any foundation”.
Speaking at a parliamentary party meeting last night, Varadkar told members that accounts replying to him on social media with abuse are held by people who support Sinn Féin.
Fine Gael has frequently accused Sinn Fein of engaging in organised online trolling, a charge the party denies.
Sinn Féin publishes guidelines for its representatives and activists about how to behave online, encouraging “common sense and personal responsibility”.
Speaking about the Tánaiste’s claims today, Sinn Fein TD Louise O’Reilly TD said that Varadkar was seeking to distract attention from government policy and that her party was against any such abuse.
“There are no more staunch defenders of Leo Varadkar, or any other politician online, when they have been the subject of any abuse,” she said.
He said that without any foundation, without any basis in fact. I’m not sure why he said it but I’m sure he wants us to talk about that, rather than talk about government policy.
Speaking about the issue on RTÉ’s Drivetime programme this afternoon, Fine Gael MEP Maria Walsh said she was part of the parliamentary party meeting and was not surprised to hear Varadkar’s comments.
“It’s not the first time I would have heard sentiments like that from colleagues, I’m a gay woman in politics, I see it unfortunately quite often myself,” she said.
Online all the way throughout my campaign and since there has been that kind of goading language, unnecessary soft commentary, hence the reason why I’m disappointed when I see language like this. My role here is to call it out and set and example for my constituents.
Whilst saying she deals with homophobic comments regularly, Walsh said she “won’t be as specific” about whether the issues come from supporters of specific parties.
Far-right
O’Reilly was speaking at the launch of Le Chéile, a cross-sectoral alliance of organisations set up to counter the far-right and fascism in Ireland.
The alliance is made up of a number of social justice organisations, several which were involved in the Repeal the 8th movement, as well as various anti-racism groups.
TDs from Sinn Féin, People Before Profit, the Social Democrats and Rise were present at today’s launch.
O’Reilly says her party “stands against racism and stands with those people who stand against racism”. She cited the attack on her party colleague Martin Kenny TD following comments he made in support of asylum seekers.
“We have done it in our communities. And in actual fact members of our party, elected representatives, have been targeted personally. Martin Kenny had his car burnt out, so when it comes to standing up to the elements of the far right, Sinn Féin is at the forefront” O’Reilly said.
“We would love if Leo Varadkar and others right across the political spectrum sent a very, very clear message.”
Also speaking at the Le Chéile launch, Rise TD Paul Murphy said that people online can professes support for any party but that it doesn’t mean they reflect the view of that party.
“It can be the case that someone who votes for and professes to support parties of the left expresses vile, racist or whatever views online. And our job there is to make clear that isn’t our view whatsoever, we stand absolutely against it and condemn any such abuse, And the truth is that it is the parties on the right in this country that have attempted to sew division,” he said.
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He can’t make himself look good so the best he can try to do is make everyone else look bad by comparison.
@Carol Oates: Too right
@Sean Byrne: I thinks Mr Varadkar is social resonance addict and this journal is enabling. Every time Leo releases some wind these folks are all over it for a sniff.
@Carol Oates: Wowzers, Leo is either completely paranoid or demonstrating his own personal hatred for a political opponent which is ironic to say the least. Forgiveness is the key to happiness Leo, never forget that, if the whole planet embraced forgiveness it’s be a wonderful world.
@Sean Byrne: It’s Dr Varadkar
@Carol Oates: yea SF supports and members are always so carefull with their comments they never make an off the cuff comment
@james foley: Exactly like people who support every other party. There are great people and not so great people in Ireland and the world. That is reality. It’s pretty obivious that Varadkar uses digs at SF and SF voters as distraction.
When I think of parties that have long term openly supporter lgbt rights, I don’t think of FFG. It’s SF that have been very vocal in their support. Remember when Varadkar voted against SSM? Yeah… I do. I’m not even a SF supporter but the party as a hole are fairly socially liberal.
I remember many in FG/FF refused to campaign for LGBT same-sex marriage equality, hence the reason why Averil Power left FF.
And yes, Leo Varadkar voted against LGBT (until it was accepted).
@Dean: Exactly Sinn Féin were the only political party to canvass for Marriage Equality and Repeal the 8th in my electoral area.
@Seán O’Loughlin: SF were neutral on repealing the 8th until they got the orders
@Seán O’Loughlin: oh aren’t Sinn Fein just great Seán
@Seán O’Loughlin: and I can remember campaigning in 1983 against the 8th with members of Labour, FG, FF, and the Stickies. Not a Provo in sight.
@The Guy is Here: many in the lgbti+ community chose to vote no for ssm as they felt it an outdated institution, and that other issues of discrimination and inequality faced by lgbti+ community needed to be addressed first. Maybe as a gay man this was his view?
@Bleurgh: it wasn’t. He wanted to remain in the closet
@Lesidees: so some 70 something year old in west Belfast ordered them to vote for same sex marriage.Does it sound ridiculous when it leaves your mouth as it does when you read it out
@Lesidees: Wonder why you failed to mention at that time Sinn Fein under section 31 was banned from speaking or giving interviews on all media at the time, With the full support of FF/ FG Labour .
@Lesidees: you were campaigning with fg/ff/labour & the workers party so were you for & against the 8th if you campaigning with 4 parties
@Bleurgh:
“Many in the lgbt community chose to vote no to ssm” lol
1st of all there is no such thing as same sex marriage. There is only marriage equality. There are not two different institutions.
Whether marriage is an outdated institution or not had nothing to do with the vote. The referendum was about equality. I doubt that there are too many LGBT people stup*d enough not to vote for marriage equality for that reason. And they certainly are not stup*d enough to say no to marriage equality because they are other areas of discrimination and inequalities that face the lgbt community. Why on Earth would they?
You didn’t really think that one true. Now did you?
You’ll notice Leo never comments on the Mahon or Moriarity tribunals. Or the murders of the Miami showband.
Complete horse manure from Varadkar. Lets not forget Leo floated the idea of using fake social media accounts. Anyone can set up such an account, pretend to support SF, and make homophobic comments.
independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-suggested-creating-anonymous-accounts-online-to-make-positive-comments-on-news-37275799.html
@The Risen: I’ve seen twitter accounts joined in October this year with over 6000 tweets,all political.how is that even possible?
@The Risen: to be fair, SFs core base are from certain socio-economic backgrounds (and nothing wrong with this!!). It is proven there is larger amounts of racism and homophobia amongst these backgrounds probably (im speculating) due to lack of education and equal opportunities provided by this state (I’m looking at FF and FG here). While i think varadkers comments are very stereotypical and, in my opinion, out of order, but to suggest there is not a portion of SFs followers holding these views is nonsense. The same way to suggest these views are not held by some FF and FG supporters would be nonsense. All parties has its share of deplorable supporters and varadker would do well to remember that!
@Eoin Jackson: there has been several examples provided on Twitter to prove Varadkars point. They come from SF support groups and SF moderated accounts.
It’s astonishing that even with the proof before their eyes some SF supporters still refuse to acknowledge the blatantly obvious.
@The Risen: You mean anyone in FG/FF can set up such an account and pretend to be an SF supporter. Leo’s obsession with SF is not without entertainment.
someone needs to buy him a TV camera for Christmas. He’ll go cold turkey if he goes without some PR for a whole week.
@Eoin Jackson: the thing is Eoin, you know that about all parties, I know it and Leo knows it, but it didnt stop him from running to the media trying to damage his opponents.
@Angela McCarthy: something SF and every politician / political party have done since the beginning of time and will do long after we are gone! As if SF never spun a story to damage FG or FF… It may be dirty tactics indeed, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander! They all do it, please do not try and claim SF are innocent of similar stunts
@Jane: i have no particular love for SF. I just don’t categorically hate them (nor do i any political party), i just wouldn’t vote for them currently for my own reasons. I have no doubt whatsoever Leo was abused by SF supporting online profiles, none whatsoever! I am just saying to try and stereotype their supporters in such a way as a result of a few (possibly more) bad apples is a bit unfair to the SF supporters who find racism and homophobia vile like the majority of people (i hope!!) in this country do.
@Jane: As usual you mention examples that are out there yet you don’t provide any link to back up these so called examples !!! ;-)
@Eoin Jackson: “SFs core base are from certain socio-economic backgrounds. It is proven there is larger amounts of racism and homophobia amongst these backgrounds”
Is it? Where and by whom? You think it’s as bad as the British Royals and Phillip’s racist outbursts.
@Kate Colbert: i would like you to point out where in my comment i said being an elitist, classist tit makes you immune from being a racist or homophobe? If you notice i pointed out they are on both sides and you will find them in all walks of life… however in a way you are correct, i should amend my above comment, if the option was available, to suggest outwardly and boldly racist or homophobic rather than private thoughts and actions. There is articles examining background and relationship with race – very interesting. However an easier way to observe is get a luas on the red line in dublin and wait until the ticket inspectors come along. And then observe the abuse. Now go to the green line and compare and contrast. Having used both to commute to work, the difference is startling…
@Eoin Jackson: Ah so the Luas proves it. Fair enough. Then again, you’re not going to see Tarquin taking the Luas are you!?
@Kate Colbert: where did i say the luas proved anything? I have countless examples and read multiple papers / articles on it, i said the luas was a very very easy observation to make (for even the most simple amongst us – Kate). However, you seem like one of those wagons who just wants to cause an argument and are out seeking one. I could respond to you saying the sky is blue and you’d argue the opposite. So i think I will leave it there.
@Kate Colbert: i apologise Kate, having reflected on your comment and thought it through, I believe you to be correct. I believe i could have worded my above statement in a better manner. Having considered institutional discrimination, i don’t believe it is weighted towards the socio-demographic i referenced. I was speaking from a racial/hate crime perspective and reported crimes of such incidents, which does not begin to cover the topic in totality and therefore you are correct, my above comment is of too much a narrow scope. Point very much taken.
@Eoin Jackson: Ah c’mon Eoin, we’ve all heard this claim that poor people are more racist hundreds of times since time began, all ironically made by people of a similar socio-economic background and (perhaps even more ironically) claim it’s a result of education or lack there of. But Tarquin goes through life with little to no contact with people of a different colour while Sharon will be in their class in school from a young age. No doubt, I’d bet you’d likely hear more racial slurs in Sheriff Street than you do in Donnybrook. But to acknowledge your ‘ most simple amongst us’ comment above you’re not exactly comparing groups that start from a similar platform, are you!?
But it needs to be said the people that mobilised for the BLM protests across the ocean were definitely not the well-off of society.
@Eoin Jackson: apologies, Eoin. My reply above was made before reading your most recent comment.
I also apologise for using the name ‘Sharon’. Not for Tarquin though.
@The Risen: SF must be worried to have The Risen out commenting
@The Risen: Not a real Sinn Fein article without several highly defensive comments from ‘The Risen’.
Trying to defecate away from his party voting against paying student nurses. Something Simon Harris said would be done at the start of the pandemic.
@Mike Keane: ‘defecate away’? Interesting strategy. But appropriate for a b/s artist like leo
@Mike Keane: I just hope he flushed afterwards
@alan: A slip of the tongue and you’re in the sh!te.
@kMc: Stop lying. She condemned it unreservedly. twitter.com/loreillysf/status/673205643881353216
Leo just been Leo looking for attention
Leothelawbreaker is lucky he is not in jail for Christmas
@tirnanog1979: your deluded
I have columns for Leos offical Twitter a/c and all of his hashtags in my TweetDeck, I have never seen homophobic or racist comments directed at him in what I have seen in Twitter anyways. I have seen plenty of his miss-truths and worse, some that had to be deleted. He gets plenty of flack for his dubious practices and rightly so, but not just from SF supporters. He can’t attribute abuse from Unionists/ Loyalists to being SF supporters. The amount of misogynistic abuse that Mary Lou and other women members of SF is disgusting and some of that is from FG supporters. Also there is constant baseless attacks on SF from official FG accounts, so maybe he should look at his own house too.
@Da Dell: if SF was still on about 10% or 12% in the Polls, you could sure that Leo’s complaints would be directed in a different direction.
@Cynical: some people are incredibly blinded by the party they support and cannot accept any wrongdoing from their party – the risen is one of these people. This is a few FG supporters on here that are very similar. I think this polarisation is the result of social media and online media and in particular its misuse in driving political opinions. If you look at political polarisation around the globe, it has increased ten-fold since the explosion of social media.
(And yes, I know that I used an indo link below. My point refers to the indos treatment of all things SF)
@The Risen: S/F, as a political party, must have unequivocally supported and approved Garda McCabe’s murder, otherwise, why would his murderers have received such a rapturous welcome and standing ovation at their party’s Ard Fheis?
Nothing new for FG to make claims without any foundation. Claiming Michael Collins was a blueshirt infuriates many. Collins death many years before FG was established as Ireland first fascist party seems to be forgotten.
Stephen Collins and Ciara Meehan book “Saving the State: Fine Gael from Collins to Varadkar” is one example.
This is a Link to Michael McDowell review. https://www.michaelmcdowell.ie/saving-the-state.html
FG celebrateing IRA Michael Collins as their founder is funny, even though Collins died a decade before FG even existed.
Eoin O’Duffy was the real founder of FG, and was FG’s first leader. Eoin more importantly founded FG’s violent paramilitary Blueshirts.
FF/IRA, SF/IRA, FG/Blueshirts.
They conveniently forget that each had their violent paramilitary troops.
@Dean: Ironically the Blueshirts under O’Duffy planned a march on Dublin , mimicking the march on Rome by Mussolini and his Blueshirts. Dev in power at the time behind the scenes called on the IRA , which at that time Dev was imprisoning and had banned. Amazing how the likes of F.G. leadership forget they were once as Varadkar would say a threat to the State. Funny old world.
@Donal Desmond: it must also be remembered the today’s SF was formed in 1970 under Provisional Sinn Fein. Yet the shinners would have you believe they are linked to SF that was founded in 1908 under Griffith
@kMc: The indo?? LOL!
Here….
thejournal.ie/sin-fein-garda-jerry-mccabe-2485526-Dec2015/
“Sinn Féin candidate says she ‘unreservedly condemns’ killing of Garda Jerry McCabe after criticisms”
@Eoin Jackson: Completely agree, as soon as you treat a political party like a sports team, where your support must never waver, you’ve lost.
I think Leo would be the one to know what sort of abuse he received and what else those accounts tweet him about. It’s a public form and anyone can go see and check if it’s happening or not and also what else those abusive accounts align themselves with.
@Big Smokey: but if he’s going public with his accusations he should also publish his evidence.
@Joey Navinski: the evidence is widely available on Twitter for all to see.
Does anyone remember when Leo had a fake account he used on twitter himself under the name “Eric Howell”? My point is, anyone can create a twitter account and “like” Sinn Féin stuff or “retweet” Fianna Fáil stuff, etc. and then troll and abuse people… That doesn’t mean that that person is genuinely a supporter of SF or FF or what have you.. It can just be made look that way… And also as Paul Murphy stated political parties have no control over these types of people. We’re not talking about Sinn Féin members here.
@Jane: “all” are not on Twitter.
@Jane: Spoofer, again I ask that you post links to your inherently biased bs.
@The Risen: After criticisms!! Lol.
@Cynical: The Risen is a busy man lol.
Thankfully the majority within our beautiful country are liberal and accepting. We always root for the underdog.
@Cynical: It is Cult like.
Varadkar can’t speak more than one sentence without mentioning SF … one trick pony , no policies of his own to speak of , and he has his lackey Jennifer Carroll McNeill on the same track also ( obviously under orders , as the new kid)
@Alan ODoherty: Have to totally agree with you there, I clicked on the link in the article “ 11th August 2020 – Jennifer Carroll MacNeill, TD “ The Maria Bailey of #SwingGate fame replacemnet clone, who’s family were rewarded with the million euro hand sanitizer contract for the schools. FG cronyism at its best and they then rewarded the state and schools with a deficient product. But the Media and TV will have this one on TV and Newspapers pontificating as she was something to aspire too ..……..
of course in FG lala land it is something to aspire to when failure & cronyism is rewarded.
Surely he has evidence of these claims – it is so easy to screenshot the alleged abuse.
I suspect that he does face abuse as online trolls exist, but that he is fabricating the part that it comes from Sinn Fein.
It’s a very specific allegation that he needs to back up with evidence.
I think Sinn Fein and other parties should also record the online behaviour of Young Fine Gael.
Blue hugh ex journal editor posted this yesterday and it is like leo running home from school telling his parents, however there was not one shred of evidence in his article, And to note he was hit back with his own partners remarks over SF a while ago and totally ignores it, the media has been bought……..
WHAT NEXT FROM THE LEEK?
@Pauline Fedigan: Have you not fixed that Caps Lock key yet PAULINE ?
@John Buckley: What about Catherine Byrne FG and her expenses?
There’s nothing as homophobic as standing in the Dail and stating “Every child has the right to a mother and father and, as much as is possible, the State should vindicate that right. That is a much more important right than that of two men or women having a family. That is the principle that should underline our laws regarding children and adoption.” while hiding in the closet and letting others advance gay equality.
What baloney, I’ve never heard any such comments.
@kMc: using the indo as reference
My God, could you be anymore brainwashed
@TheJournal Please find a better way to censor your discussions section.
Re-writing history by deleting all evidence creates distrust with your audience.
I’m torn on sinn fein I believe in some change at home if I was living at home I’d have voted sinn fein. I have zero affiliation to any party neither do my friends and I’m outside the little Irish bubble.Im not an actual Shinner nor a Blue shirt if anyone wants to use those stupid labels. No big fan of Leo but he has a point here. Myself and my mate were following online accounts in social media for sinn fein. There was more than just a few commenters making just outright racist and homophobic comments it got more vocal towards the end of the election. Sinn fein did not regulate what was being posted at all!! I wasn’t too impressed and honestly felt a bit down. What sinn fein stated in response is just not true I’ve seen the opposite unfortunately
@J: I’m turning 35 so yeah seen the soldiers on the street going to newry or heading through different towns on the way to Donegal memories of the bombings and murders in the news are clear. We do need to move on though and chances need to be given mistakes need to be made but equally show you learn from mistakes and I’m okay with it. Politicians are human too. Sinn fein need to get rid of the dead wood some new supporters are uneasy with the army councils influence and politicians who held rank. They just need to do more is all I feel. They need to allow the new generation take the lead and grow a new party in my own humble opinion.
@Niall Carry: unfortunately all people under 25 see is the Sinn Fein facade.
@Niall Carry: Im turning 50 and one of my earliest memories at 6 years is having a British Paras rifle shoved into the back of my head while pushed up against a fence at the border, looking over at my mother, father & brothers going through the sane ordeal. Our only crime was being from the ROI. SF signed up to the GFA, PIRA disbanded, we have peace for 20 years. Not all Loyalist/Unionist Paramilitaries did. SF Ard Comhairle is also made up of Teenagers, before last elections, when the usual nonsense of trying to make these seem like something dodgy was happening, some of the members tweeted about themselves and introduced themselves, of course that was not covered by any MSM. FF also has an Ard Comhairle, FG has their version. If you in FG or FF you cannot deviate or vote differently to their respective Parties top echelons either, but that is never mentioned of course.
@Da Dell: sorry to hear your experience but I’m not understanding most of your comment in relation to what I mentioned seems to go off in a non related direction sorry. The story is based on what he experienced from sinn fein supporters and as I said I’ve no affiliation to any party. I vote on who I want or is best not on party lines. The commentary I seen that was racist and bigoted in nature came from sinn fein supporters on sinn fein social media posts that was not removed by people of all ages I was fairly gobsmacked by the crap I read over and over. I did not see it on other political party posts. It’s just a factual experience on my end. Sinn fein have made great strides but can do better like on this specific topic
@Niall Carry: Hi Niall no need for you to apologise for the British Occupation of the Emerald Isle, my reply was to both J and your posts, but I think one has gone missing now. I mentioned in another post that I have not seen this what I have seen in Twitter anyway, I do not know what social media you are referring to nor am I saying that I didn’t believe that you have seen it. There is also plenty of fake a/c’s pretending to be SF supporters and deliberately then saying things to try and bring the party into disrepute etc. I do not hold the Twitters/FB’s of the world responsible for moderating what is in their sites, I know many do but I don’t agree with that, for me its enough for them to say that they do not agree or support what is being said and SF have officially said that they dont.
You did mention the ‘Army Council’ and its ‘influence’ though and that is what I was mostly responding to. I don’t believe it at all and many try to equate this to the Ard Comhairle. I saw some of the Tweets from some of the SF Ard Comhairle members, one was 16 , one was 17. There may or may not be members in SF that may or may not have been members of other organisations, but I believe that is to be expected considering their history and I accept that as I do for the other parties in NI. The GFA happened, a line was drawn in the sand, hands were shook, bridges were built etc and we have had 20 years of peace .
@Da Dell: I voted SF this year for the first time in my life, was a life long FF voter, more so due to that was what the family always done than any other reason, after the crash I voted for FG for my troubles and they reneged on every reason I voted for them. But now because I voted SF this year, I’m called a Troll, a bot, uneducated, un-employed, a sponger etc and far far worse, when I have never taken a cent from the state have worked all my life and never being on the dole, nor did I receive any PUP payments either. At this stage of my life, I dont care what people say, nor do I get upset at what people say on the Internet either, it is what it is. I certainly dont care what Politicians say either, smoke & mirrors and anything to get elected, I care about their actions and results. I think that Leo is the most dangerous man to enter Irish Politics ever, he has brought is a brand of Politics that I cannot stand all PR, Image and Spin and absolute no substance. This is evident is the spin merchants he pays for etc and unfortunately now all else will have to follow his lead to compete with him, The media are in his pocket and the Journal is at the top of that list of prestitutes and that is also a terrible state of affairs.
@Niall Carry: Sorry my replies are all over the place, I have wriiten it many times, my replies were going bye bye , nothing new there, I also try to refrain from commenting on anything about Leo or SF any more as the Journal will block you when you don’t agree with their narrative .. great open journalism .. not ..
The journal should be renamed “The Shinner Journal”. That’s what it is
Isn’t Leo’s Fine Gael a member of the same European Political Party as Victor Orban’s Fidesz party!? Funny that!
Im always sceptical when I hear the sentence, without foundation??
100 % as Leo’s Dad is from India he will always be targeted for that now and after and it shouldn’t happen. Even his mom is Irish that still doesn’t matter to a lot of irish population they still think he is not pure bred Irish. He is a good man he shouldn’t actually no one should be discriminated.
@Seamus: nobody should be discriminated against….. but on a totally separate tack… Leo is NOT. a ‘Good Man’ .., he’s a self centred egotist
There’s a real nasty undertone creeping into Irish politics, similar to the US, and it worries me. The fanatical left and the fanatical right of center.
We should all exercise restraint a little more.
@JoyMonkey: when you have the blind leading the blind and only really concerned with political point scoring are you in anyway surprised. It’s all spin and bs and deflection. The student nurses are after getting completely shafted, that is their reward for going above and beyond their call of duty yet here we have an article about poor old Leo allegedly getting called names. Here’s an idea Leo, get off twitter, nobody gives a flying f what you have to say. Go do your job and try and make this country better for everyone.
“With out foundation” if there wasn’t a problem she would categorically deny it.
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@Jim Beatty: Fascinated to hear more hot takes on ‘the media’ Jim.
Has Mary Lou abandoned her appointment to the chair of a very important committee ????? Where is she ????
Sinn Fein, Yak Yak Yakydy Yak. Nothing to see here because SF just spout fake news. Purveyors of double standards.
@Mr T: look around. You Mr. Trump is looking for you to help him,
@rumug: Thanks for sharing, would be fairly damning if anything comes out proving they actually proceeded with the suggestion.
James Lawless is one of the best TD’s we have in my opinion and it is a real shame that bill was not passed, it would have levelled the playing field for all parties.
@Jim Beatty: haha I know.
Always the same. When they run out of excuses it turns into a racist or homophobic thing. Facist left Ireland
LOR must have forgotten her party colleague Brian Stanley post on Leo sexuality on twitter a couple of years ago
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@annaxii: welcome to our Forum Annaxii… it’s strange how the Journal ‘powers that be ‘ are able to censor comment , but let hookers advertise on the forum
You know FFG are in a tight spot when they not only attack SF but get Leo to play the gay card. His party has consistently voted against gay rights in this country including marriage and adoption. If they are trying this it means they REALLY want to distract everyone from their parties voting against paying student nurses. Especially since SF didn’t even put forward that legislation and they have played the only card it seems they have, attack SF. Not working? Have Leo come out again and work that into the attack on SF!
Accusing SF of online trolling is hilarious considering all the FG shills around here…
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