Advertisement

We need your help now

Support from readers like you keeps The Journal open.

You are visiting us because we have something you value. Independent, unbiased news that tells the truth. Advertising revenue goes some way to support our mission, but this year it has not been enough.

If you've seen value in our reporting, please contribute what you can, so we can continue to produce accurate and meaningful journalism. For everyone who needs it.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen welcomes British Prime Minister Boris Johnson to Brussels. Olivier Hoslet via PA Images

Brexit: 'Large gaps' remain after tonight's talks end between Johnson and von der Leyen

The two leaders have agreed a “firm decision” should be taken about the future of the talks by Sunday, a Downing Street source said.

LAST UPDATE | 9 Dec 2020

BRITISH PRIME MINISTER Boris Johnson and European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen have agreed to decide by Sunday whether their Brexit talks are worth continuing, Downing Street said, noting “very large gaps” still remain.

The two leaders met this evening to try to salvage negotiations following stalled talks just weeks ahead of the end of the transition period on 31 December.

Over a lengthy dinner in Brussels, the two leaders “had a frank discussion about the significant obstacles which remain in the negotiations”, a senior Number 10 source said.

“Very large gaps remain between the two sides and it is still unclear whether these can be bridged.”

The leaders agreed to further discussions by their negotiating teams “over the next few days”, the source said.

“The PM does not want to leave any route to a possible deal untested.

“The PM and VDL agreed that by Sunday a firm decision should be taken about the future of the talks.”

In a statement after the meeting, European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said: “We had a lively and interesting discussion on the state of play across the list of outstanding issues.

“We gained a clear understanding of each other’s positions. They remain far apart.

“We agreed that the teams should immediately reconvene to try to resolve these essential issues.

“We will come to a decision by the end of the weekend.”

Stumbling block

The so-called level playing field has been a key stumbling block in the talks, as has the extent of EU access to British fishing waters.

Johnson said Brussels’ proposals on fishing would mean Britain would be “the only country in the world not to have sovereign control over its fishing waters”.

“These are not terms that any prime minister of this country should accept,” he told MPs in his weekly question and answer session.

Britain formally left the EU on 31 January, nearly four years after a referendum on membership that divided the country and paralysed politics.

The end of a transition period, designed to allow both sides to thrash out the terms of their new relationship, is approaching on 31 December, making agreement on a deal more urgent.

Whatever happens, Britain will leave the European customs union and single market. Johnson said deal or no deal, the country will “prosper mightily”.

By retaking control of UK money, borders and laws, “we will seize all of the opportunities that Brexit brings”, he said.

But Johnson is under strong pressure from businesses, which want greater clarity on the new rules that will apply from 1 January.

Dinner

BoJohnson Twitter Twitter

The Prime Minister and the EU chief were to discuss ongoing attempts to reach a breakthrough on a post-Brexit trade deal, although the meal was a formal negotiating session.

Ahead of the meeting, Von der Leyen said that she was “looking forward” to welcoming the British Prime Minister, tweeting: “We will continue our discussion on the Partnership Agreement.”

Downing Street hoped the dinner could pave the way for talks between negotiators Barnier and his UK counterpart David Frost to resume, but there were warnings that Johnson and von der Leyen must find the will to break the deadlock first.

However, Taoiseach Micheál Martin told the Dáil yesterday that the move should not be interpreted as a signal that a deal was imminent.

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland that yesterday was a “historic day” that would ensure the Northern Ireland Protocol would be respected regardless of the outcome of trade talks.

The Fine Gael leader also said he agreed with a previous suggestion by Martin that there was a “50-50″ chance of a deal being reached.

“I think that assessment is correct,” Varadkar said.

At the Fine Gael parliamentary party tonight, Varadkar said the divorce deal agreed with former Prime Minister Theresa May three years ago had proved to be bulletproof.

This is based on there being no hard border on the island of Ireland and access to the European Single Market and Common Travel Area have been protected.

The Fine Gael leader told party colleagues that this progress was made because of EU solidarity and unity.

Varadkar added that there may not be a breakthrough on trade negotiations tonight, but negotiations would continue. 

The EU’s chief negotiator Michel Barnier warned the bloc’s foreign ministers that he now believes a no-deal Brexit is more likely than a trade agreement being reached by the end of the transition period on 31 December.

Leaders of the EU’s 27 member states will gather in Brussels tomorrow for a two-day summit, potentially giving further political impetus for a deal.

Senior UK Cabinet minister Michael Gove said this morning that the EU will have to give ground if there is to be any hope of a breakthrough in the crunch talks.

Asked about Barnier’s assessment, he said: “No, I don’t think it is right to say that yet.”

“I think that tonight there is an opportunity for the Prime Minister and Ursula von der Leyen, and they have a good relationship, to thrash out a potential way through,” he told BBC Radio 4.

Gove also said that von der Leyen would “want to ensure that all EU member states recognise that a deal is in everyone’s interest and that will require a degree of movement for some on the EU side”.

That comment could be seen as a reference to French warnings that President Emmanuel Macron could veto a deal, with Paris especially concerned about the issue of fishing rights – one of the main obstacles to an agreement

Talks paused

The EU and UK are hoping to establish a trade relationship with zero tariffs and zero quotas, which would avoid further disruptions from 1 January.

Talks between Frost and Barnier paused after both sides moved as close towards a deal as political red lines would allow.

Though a deal is reportedly 97% agreed, political leaders must make decisions on the final issues.

Negotiations have faltered on the same issues that have plagued negotiations from the start: fishing rights; the level playing field measures aimed at preventing the UK undercutting the EU on standards and state subsidies; and the way for trade disputes to be discussed and resolved.

Johnson said yesterday that trade talks with the EU are proving “very tricky”, but that he hoped the “power of sweet reason” would triumph.

A spokesperson for the Prime Minister also said that Frost was set to return to London last night to discuss the remaining differences in reaching a free trade deal with Johnson.

Today’s meeting between Johnson and von der Leyen follows an announcement yesterday by the UK that it would drop clauses in the Internal Market Bill that would have allowed ministers to break international law.

It means that the Northern Ireland Protocol – which would mean goods travelling from Britain to Ireland via the North will be checked after they cross the Irish Sea – can be implemented in practice. 

With reporting from Gráinne Ní Aodha, Press Association, and AFP.

Readers like you are keeping these stories free for everyone...
A mix of advertising and supporting contributions helps keep paywalls away from valuable information like this article. Over 5,000 readers like you have already stepped up and support us with a monthly payment or a once-off donation.

Close
65 Comments
This is YOUR comments community. Stay civil, stay constructive, stay on topic. Please familiarise yourself with our comments policy here before taking part.
Leave a Comment
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Aaron
    Favourite Aaron
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 8:30 AM

    “We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight in the offices, we shall fight over dinner, we shall fight in the tabloids, we shall fight over fish. We shall never surrender……But pretty please, can we still use the tennis courts, the stream room, the spa and the jacuzzis in your the leisure club for free?”

    474
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Paul Furey
    Favourite Paul Furey
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:24 AM

    “I can count all of the advantages of brexit on one hand” said the mouse.
    “lts worse than that” said the snail.
    “So can I”.

    215
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Adam Hernes
    Favourite Adam Hernes
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 5:31 PM

    @Aaron: The problem is that Johnson wants to be able to use clubs toilet but is angry for the threat of being thrown out in case when Brits will start peeing on the walls.

    49
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Gerard Heery
    Favourite Gerard Heery
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 8:33 AM

    Just wait till the pandemic is over and all the holidaying Brits find out all the comviances of being a member of the EU are gone ,they’ll have his head on a plate ,when they find they were spun a web of bull*

    357
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Stephen Devlin
    Favourite Stephen Devlin
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 10:03 AM

    @Gerard Heery: No they will just blame the EU for “punishing” them.

    302
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute ianglen
    Favourite ianglen
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 10:06 AM

    @Stephen Devlin: It’s started already, those absolutely dastardly Europeans lol..

    117
    See 7 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute SC
    Favourite SC
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:22 AM

    @Gerard Heery: they’ll still be allowed to travel to Europe for holidays and Ireland and UK were never in Schengen anyway. They might need holiday health insurance or there might be an agreement on health cover considering how much travel will still go on between the EU and the UK. There’s nothing stopping Chinese and Russian tourists taking over resorts in Europe!

    30
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Aaron Tynan
    Favourite Aaron Tynan
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:59 AM

    @Gerard Heery: they already do that, just go to any English news website and read the comments under any article about brexit, and you’ll see them all complaining about how the EU is trying to punish them.
    I’m living in the UK and besides London the rest of the nation is fairly brainwashed when it comes to Brexit.

    89
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Ewan O'Doherty
    Favourite Ewan O'Doherty
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 12:08 PM

    @Gerard Heery:
    Boris Johnson is currently in the firing line, it was really David Cameron who started all this- as well as Bojo putting out to the people of Britain that they would save £350 million *a week*- if they left the EU…

    60
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Aaron Tynan
    Favourite Aaron Tynan
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 1:30 PM

    @Ewan O’Doherty: and it would go to the NHS…lol! Honestly politicians should be legally held accountable for what they say… like don’t lie.

    70
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Gerard Heery
    Favourite Gerard Heery
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 7:42 PM

    @SC: only allowed 3 months resentency in the meds in every six months no more homes in the sun to retire to

    37
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Dave Byrne
    Favourite Dave Byrne
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:00 PM

    @Gerard Heery: Their was a TV programme on either C4 or BBC a while back that was filmed in Spain, A lot of the English/expats voted for Brexit not knowing the full consequences of them voting to leave.
    The guy interviewed loads of them of all ages, Mad thing was they considered people entering the UK to live and work as immigrants, But yet classed themselves as expats the guy doing the interveiw asked whats the difference between them living in Spain and people living in the UK.
    He then went on to show them what they will potentially be missing out on by leaving the EU, And asked them if they were to vote again the majority said they would vote to remain.

    27
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Ger
    Favourite Ger
    Report
    Dec 10th 2020, 3:20 AM

    @SC: holidaying is one thing, living there is another. Under a no deal they can only use their holiday homes for a limited period and ex pat residents will also find their rights severely restricted. Medical access will cost them a fortune and there is a chance, depending on how future talks go, that their right to live their my be restricted. The UK is really cutting off its nose to spite its face over fishing. Fishing makes up a fraction of 1% of Britains economy but what they could lose by no deal, including 10s if not 100s of thousands of manufacturing jobs will cost the UK fortunes.

    12
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Paul Furey
    Favourite Paul Furey
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:12 AM

    And today british tax exile, Brexit supporting billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliff decides to build new cars in France rather than Wales. Brexit gets hilarious-er and hilarious-er by the day. This lad joins all those other British brexiteer rich lads setting up overseas. Well done the UK.

    236
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute George Vladisavljevic
    Favourite George Vladisavljevic
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 12:02 PM

    @Paul Furey: Just saw your article Paul and had already mentioned it below. You could not make this kind of stuff up.

    60
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute patrick o keeffe
    Favourite patrick o keeffe
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 2:51 PM

    @Paul Furey: Like Dyson

    63
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Leonard O'mahony
    Favourite Leonard O'mahony
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 8:34 AM

    Today’s lunch menu…..British COD(ology),well battered. Brussels sprouts,sourkraut and tear a miss you for desert.

    153
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute XvSv
    Favourite XvSv
    Report
    Dec 10th 2020, 1:03 AM

    @Leonard O’mahony: … All washed down with a pure Pint of John Smith’s Bitter(ness)…!

    8
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute David Van-Standen
    Favourite David Van-Standen
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:03 AM

    Realistically, if an entire year of “negotiations” haven’t been able to move forward on just the issues of fisheries, the level playing field and conflict resolution, how on earth can a trade deal be made over dinner?

    Especially when Boris never speaks in anything except unsupported generalities and aspirational soundbites…

    117
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Stephen Devlin
    Favourite Stephen Devlin
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:43 AM

    @David Van-Standen: Trade deal won’t be made over dinner, it’s just to see if there is any point in moving forward

    32
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute George Vladisavljevic
    Favourite George Vladisavljevic
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 12:00 PM

    In other news

    “Billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe, a Leave campaigner in the run-up to the 2016 Brexit referendum, has confirmed a new 4×4 vehicle will be built in France.

    It ends hopes his Grenadier off-roader, based on the original Land Rover, would be made at a new plant in Wales.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55236852

    79
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Matthew Gorman
    Favourite Matthew Gorman
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 9:25 PM

    @George Vladisavljevic: also check the older news story on the news that announces the car been built in the wales. The comments section is hilarious.

    14
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Flynn.
    Favourite Flynn.
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 7:39 AM

    Wonder will he order Kippers?

    77
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Rory J Leonard
    Favourite Rory J Leonard
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 8:38 AM

    @Flynn.:

    Only if they can prove Dogger Bank origin.

    23
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute shergar
    Favourite shergar
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 10:14 AM

    @Flynn.: toad in the hole

    30
    See 2 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute David Van-Standen
    Favourite David Van-Standen
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 10:55 AM

    @shergar: he should be given the entire boot in the hole!

    23
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Paddy Kennedy
    Favourite Paddy Kennedy
    Report
    Dec 10th 2020, 12:12 AM

    @Rory J Leonard: well for bj it’s more likely to be dogging bank

    1
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Sandra Mc Donald
    Favourite Sandra Mc Donald
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 9:55 AM

    Why cant he do a zoom call like the rest of us?

    56
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Paul Furey
    Favourite Paul Furey
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 10:16 AM

    @Sandra Mc Donald: I’m guessing there’s a rather high level of importance to this meeting with a lot at risk, a sort of a last chance face to face after already having so many zoom meetings.

    48
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Paddy Kennedy
    Favourite Paddy Kennedy
    Report
    Dec 10th 2020, 12:13 AM

    @Paul Furey: the only risk is to the europeans from this superspreader

    10
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Keith k
    Favourite Keith k
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:47 AM

    I recommend they serve him mackerel from British waters and British chips wrap in newspaper and then say there is the door.

    49
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Eddie Michael
    Favourite Eddie Michael
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 7:52 AM

    Wonder if he will be self isolating again on return with his tail between his legs…

    97
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Bramley Hawthorne
    Favourite Bramley Hawthorne
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 8:38 AM

    The fate of the Euro-elite depends on how she reacts when he puts his hand on her knee.

    42
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Charles McCarthy
    Favourite Charles McCarthy
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 10:05 AM

    They will dine on an “oven ready” turkey.

    46
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Divad Nayr
    Favourite Divad Nayr
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:30 AM

    Wonder is humble pie on the menu

    36
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute pat seery
    Favourite pat seery
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 9:34 AM

    Let’s hope he Gets A Roasting

    47
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Josh Joyce
    Favourite Josh Joyce
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 1:14 PM

    Very difficult to negotiate with a proven liar who has a tenuous relationship with the truth – as he has consistently demonstrated throughout his career

    89
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute John Quill
    Favourite John Quill
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 10:09 AM

    Gammon for Boris

    37
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute ianglen
    Favourite ianglen
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 10:01 AM

    He will plunge alot of folks into penury with the games he’s playing atm or may this is deliberate, who knows now..

    31
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Steve Saunders
    Favourite Steve Saunders
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 2:40 PM

    I really hope the EU doesn’t do a last minute about face on all the no border promises they gave us. British politicians have always been masters of manipulating everyone and everything to their advantage.

    31
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Lesidees
    Favourite Lesidees
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 5:04 PM

    @Steve Saunders: in the unlikely event that they did, Ireland could veto it

    43
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute JustMeAgain
    Favourite JustMeAgain
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 5:40 PM

    @Steve Saunders: Luckily there are no british politicians present in the current UK government. Just chancers and spin doctors – they will get by, no matter the deal.

    17
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Gerard Heery
    Favourite Gerard Heery
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 7:37 PM

    Boris’s last EU supper

    22
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Gary Garden
    Favourite Gary Garden
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 4:37 PM

    I’d rather eat grass than have dinner with a pompous Brit Tory like Boris.

    27
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Handsome McWonderful
    Favourite Handsome McWonderful
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:04 AM

    A menu of cold shoulder & hot lip.

    16
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Adam J
    Favourite Adam J
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:15 AM

    Safe to say neither will be picking up the bill, the E.U. will insist Britain forks out for it and Britain will insist on guarantees of future food coming, even after the dinner is over.

    14
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute John Byrne
    Favourite John Byrne
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 9:50 PM

    Johnson said they would have an oven ready deal but couldn’t get an oven

    15
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Michael Maher
    Favourite Michael Maher
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 12:19 PM

    Had better be a good dinner . I don’t think the Brits will show much mercy at this stage

    13
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Vanessa
    Favourite Vanessa
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:36 AM

    If you ever feel that bad, remember Boris… he’s so bad in what he’s doing he can’t even “get the easiest deal done while having all cards in his hands”

    I just feel sorry for Uschi as Boris also seems to be an annoying brat.

    28
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Csilla
    Favourite Csilla
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 9:57 PM

    We are all glue to zoom, meeting, studying, networking , talking to friends in this passing year…. but they can just pop over for having some dinner…. please just leave, will ya? We all be fine..

    10
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute James Gorman
    Favourite James Gorman
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 10:57 PM

    Why is Fred Scuttle in the photo??

    9
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Trevor Donoghue
    Favourite Trevor Donoghue
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:49 PM

    It’s simple, A deal means it;s the UK’s fault when it fecks up their country, A no deal means it;s the EU’s fault when their Country is fecked up. simples

    10
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Panikin skywalker
    Favourite Panikin skywalker
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 12:02 PM

    Irish fish on the menu no doubt!

    10
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Malachy
    Favourite Malachy
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 1:16 PM

    You really could have fun with the lunch menu fish or Frankfurter

    8
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute patrick o keeffe
    Favourite patrick o keeffe
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 2:51 PM

    John Redwood is an absolute evangelical Brexiter worse than all the hardliners in the ERG

    18
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Enda
    Favourite Enda
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 9:33 PM

    I wonder are they having beef wellington

    8
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Stephen Glassett
    Favourite Stephen Glassett
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:01 PM

    I cant post my thoughts so I’ll say this! Ireland will endure worse. We still have the local politicians to support us. Lol

    7
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Patrick Purcell
    Favourite Patrick Purcell
    Report
    Dec 10th 2020, 6:05 AM

    Is that clucking eejit doing the chlorinated ‘Chicken Dance’? and people actually VOTED for him? Brexiters deserve everything they get, because they didn’t bother finding out what it meant..

    6
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Valthebear
    Favourite Valthebear
    Report
    Dec 10th 2020, 7:05 AM

    Amusing reading all the comments here lining up to have a pop at the Brits. Safe old smug Irish groupthink is alive and well. Let the Brits off, that’s their decision. We should concern ourself more with what happens to us in the EU after they’re gone. Won’t be long again till our tax regime is in their sights, as the French President and others like to remind us. With the Brits out ‘ever closer union’ is going to come thick and fast. Careful what we wish for.

    6
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Gary Garden
    Favourite Gary Garden
    Report
    Dec 10th 2020, 7:44 AM

    @Valthebear: Westbrit.

    2
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Valthebear
    Favourite Valthebear
    Report
    Dec 10th 2020, 5:25 PM

    @Gary Garden: that all you got.. Cheap racism?

    1
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Cooking School
    Favourite Cooking School
    Report
    Dec 10th 2020, 3:06 AM

    Never mind no deal. Europe knows what Johnson is up to and it’s not very nice: Under Boris Johnson, corruption is taking hold in Britain
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/09/boris-johnson-britain-corruption-cronyism-checks-balances?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    4
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Princess J.
    Favourite Princess J.
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:42 PM

    There’s no logic .. we want the fish so we can sell it back to u, we want to use ur systems, for free, s we can deliver fish.. and, ji6st because the sun shines out our derriere.. the EU shluld be grateful, and let us do what we want.. britiana is gone!!

    7
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute theseadoc
    Favourite theseadoc
    Report
    Dec 9th 2020, 11:42 PM

    The large gap is inside each torys head

    4
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Paul Whitehead
    Favourite Paul Whitehead
    Report
    Dec 11th 2020, 7:09 AM

    Who let Benny Hill out???

    1
Submit a report
Please help us understand how this comment violates our community guidelines.
Thank you for the feedback
Your feedback has been sent to our team for review.

Leave a commentcancel

 
JournalTv
News in 60 seconds