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'Who's to say it won't happen again?': Impeachment prosecutors urge Senate to convict Trump

Trump’s defence lawyers, who will present their arguments later this week, say he cannot be personally blamed for the Capitol riot.

LAST UPDATE | 11 Feb 2021

HOUSE PROSECUTORS WRAPPED up their impeachment case against Donald Trump, urging the Senate to convict the former president of inciting the 6 January attack on the US Capitol.

“We humbly, humbly ask you to convict President Trump for the crime for which he is overwhelmingly guilty,” said Representative Joe Neguse, one of the House impeachment managers.

“Because if you don’t, if we pretend this didn’t happen – or worse, if we let it go unanswered – who’s to say it won’t happen again?”

Trump’s lawyers will begin his defence at 5pm Irish time tomorrow and will have 16 hours to present their case.

Representative Jamie Raskin, the lead House manager, appealed to the 100 Senators who are sitting as jurors in the case to exercise their “common sense” and convict Trump.

“Exercise your common sense about what just took place in our country,” Raskin said, reminding senators that they swore an oath to administer “impartial justice.”

Earlier today, prosecutors said the Capitol invaders believed they were are acting on “the president’s orders” to storm the building and stop the joint session of Congress that was certifying Joe Biden’s election.

They presented videos of rioters, some posted to social medial by the rioters themselves, talking about how they were doing it all for Trump. Joe Biden said that harrowing video evidence of the January assault on the Capitol may change “some minds” in the trial.

Biden told reporters earlier he “didn’t watch any of the hearing live but that he had seen news coverage of the presentation, which showed the country’s most senior politicians fleeing to safety.

The mayhem left five people dead, including one woman shot after she invaded the Capitol and one policeman killed by the crowd.

So far, a large majority of Republicans have stood by Trump, who is accused of inciting insurrection 6 January when a mob of his supporters ransacked the Capitol and tried to stop certification of Biden’s election victory.

That means a conviction, requiring a two-thirds majority in the Senate, is highly unlikely. Trump’s lawyers will get their chance to speak as early as today or Friday when Democratic impeachment managers wrap up their case.

The Trump team argues that the former president cannot be personally blamed for the riot and that the entire trial is unconstitutional because he has already left office. Trump’s lawyers will launch their defence tomorrow. 

trump-impeachment Evidence presented during today's hearing. AP / PA Images AP / PA Images / PA Images

‘This was not a hidden crime’

Prosecutors laid out their case by linking Trump’s verbal attacks on the election to the violence that resulted.

Trump did nothing to stem the violence and watched with “glee”, the Democrats said, as the mob ransacked the building.

Representative Jamie Raskin, the lead impeachment manager, presented evidence of Trump’s encouragement of violence in the past using videos of the former president’s own words.

“This pro-Trump insurrection did not spring out of thin air,” Raskin said. “This was not the first time Donald Trump had inflamed and incited a mob.

Raskin said it was imperative that the Senate convict Trump and bar him from running for the White House again in 2024.

trump-impeachment House impeachment manager Rep. Jamie Raskin. AP / PA Images AP / PA Images / PA Images

“Is there any political leader in this room who believes that if he’s ever allowed by the Senate to get back into the Oval Office Donald Trump would stop inciting violence to get his way?” Raskin asked. “Would you bet the future of your democracy on that?

“Trump declared his conduct ‘totally appropriate,’” Raskin said. “So if he gets back into office and it happens again we’ll have no one to blame but ourselves.”

Likewise, impeachment manager Ted Lieu said Trump would incite another attack if he is allowed to run for president in 2024. 

“I’m not afraid of Donald Trump running again in four years. I’m afraid he’s going to run again and lose — because he can do this again.”

House impeachment manager Diana DeGette said Trump was directly responsible for the attempt by his supporters to block congressional certification of Biden’s election victory.

“Their leader, the man who incited them, must be held accountable,” DeGette said. “This was not a hidden crime. The president told them to be there.

“They thought they were following orders from their commander in chief and they would not be punished.”

Harrowing video

Yesterday they walked senators through hours of graphic presentations and video, some of which came from security cameras and police bodycams and was being aired for the first time.

The ensuing mayhem left five people dead, including one woman shot after she invaded the Capitol and one policeman killed by the crowd.

The episode occurred after Trump told a rally near the White House that his failure to win reelection was due to vote rigging.

Video played on the Senate floor yesterday showed then vice president Mike Pence – who was in the Capitol to preside over certification of Joe Biden’s defeat of Trump – being hurried down back stairs to safety by security officers, along with his family.

Top Democratic senator Chuck Schumer is seen narrowly dodging a rampaging throng of pro-Trump rioters.

And Senator Mitt Romney, a Republican who often opposed Trump and was turned into a hate figure by the president, is seen being steered away by Eugene Goodman – the officer previously feted for luring the mob away from the Senate chambers – at the last moment as an angry crowd approaches.

In another segment, the mob can be seen smashing into the offices of Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the House of Representatives and another frequent target of Trump’s most violent rhetoric.

“Nancy, where are you Nancy?” protesters call out as they search, not knowing that eight of her staff were barricaded behind a door in the same corridor. Pelosi herself had already been urgently whisked away.

“We know from the rioters themselves that if they had found Speaker Pelosi, they would have killed her,” said impeachment manager Stacey Plaskett, a House delegate from the US Virgin Islands.

The impeachment managers laid out their case over several hours arguing that the links are clear between Trump, his lies about election fraud, the violence, and the then president’s inaction as the riot unfolded.

Lead impeachment manager Jamie Raskin said Trump “completely abdicated” his duty.

“Donald Trump surrendered his role as commander-in-chief and became the inciter-in-chief of a dangerous insurrection,” Raskin said.

Republicans loyal so far 

Holed up in his luxury Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, Trump has been gone from power for three weeks.

But the trial has put the polarizing Republican once more at the centre of the national conversation – and underlined his still-powerful hold over the base of the Republican electorate.

Some Republican senators have expressed disgust with the pro-Trump riot, openly blasted Trump’s refusal to accept defeat to Biden, and acknowledged the compelling case made by the Democrats with the aid of extensive video.

“The evidence that has been presented thus far is pretty damning,” Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski said.

“Of course it’s powerful,” Senator Bill Cassidy said of the chilling footage, but “how that influences final decisions remains to be seen.”

It is highly unlikely Trump will be convicted as it requires a two-thirds majority, meaning 17 Republicans would need to go along with the 50 Democrats.

“I believe at the end there will not be 67 votes to find the president guilty,” Republican strategist Karl Rove told Fox News earlier today, but he predicted, “any Republican up for election in 2022 in a tough district or tough state is likely to see this (video) material used against them.”

Forced off Twitter and other social media platforms following his unprecedented attempt to foment a conspiracy theory about his election defeat, Trump has fewer outlets where he can vent.

It is also believed that advisors are pressing him to keep back, fearing his reappearance could turn Republican senators against him.

According to US media reports, Trump was privately furious on the trial’s opening day Tuesday at what he saw as his own lawyers’ lacklustre performance.

Unlike Trump’s first impeachment trial a year ago, which took three weeks, this one is expected to be over within days.

- With reporting from Adam Daly and PA

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    Mute Gerard Martin
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    Jun 16th 2020, 8:34 AM

    I’m pretty sure James Joyce is the literary equivalent of revolut, those you have read it look down on those who haven’t and those who haven’t don’t see what the fuss is about.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 8:50 AM

    @Gerard Martin: well said. It made me smile

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    Jun 16th 2020, 8:53 AM

    @Gerard Martin: Revolut’s pretty handy though and I’m not exactly loaded

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:04 AM

    @Gerard Martin: it’s actually the opposite. Those who have had read Joyce are looked down upon by those who haven’t. And those who have read him understand what the fuss is about.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:09 AM

    @michael: and those who said they have read and finished it are liars.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:11 AM

    @Breda Kelly: Ulysses.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:18 AM

    @Breda Kelly: Nice passive-aggressive sweeping statement. I’ve read it and finished it. Not all in one go mind. Am I a liar?

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:25 AM

    @Breda Kelly: absolute nonsense. I have read three times over a long period and ad a Dub enjoyed it hugely.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:56 AM

    @Breda Kelly: There was no category for “tried but didn’t finish”. Had that been available, it might have been the top answer. For many of us “yes” is the technically correct answer to the question posed but “no” is the more honest answer.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 10:17 AM

    @michael: Well said. People should maybe approach Ulysses through an audiobook. It’s a lot of fun :)

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    Jun 16th 2020, 11:49 AM

    @michael: You just endorsed the comment Gerard posted.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 8:37 AM

    People should try ‘Dubliners’ first, Ulysses is a far bigger challenge.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 3:48 PM

    @James Walsh: Yeah, this is definitely a good approach.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 8:37 AM

    A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man is a good read and Dubliners is a nice collection of short stories. Neither have the infamous ‘Joyce an prose’, that stream of consciousness style that is so difficult.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 11:48 AM

    @sean o’dhubhghaill: Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist do have stream of consciousness but not to the extent of Ulysses (or the impossible Finnegan’s Wake). They’re both really accessible and enjoyable to read.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:31 AM

    Where’s the option for “I tried but couldn’t manage it and gave up”

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    Jun 16th 2020, 8:36 AM

    Worth reading Dubliners and specifically The Dead even if you’re not inclined to try out the other novels.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 8:26 AM

    YES

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:05 AM

    @KilkennyProud: I said I will yes.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 8:15 AM

    NO

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:02 AM

    have read the Dubliners, the dead and half of ulysees; gave up on ulysees as whilst could admire the descriptive detail, book is just not enjoyable; the dead is similar but shorter; Dubliners much better read.
    would compare joyce to uncle colm from derry girls, a lot of rambling stories with no real narrative an little interst to majority listening

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    Jun 16th 2020, 10:15 AM

    @Steve Clancy: the Dead is one of the short stores in Dubliners, is it not?

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    Jun 16th 2020, 11:05 AM

    A better poll would be:
    1. “Have you ever started to read Ulysses?”
    2. “Did you finish it?”

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    Jun 16th 2020, 1:22 PM

    @Ronan Quinlan: I use my copy as a doorstop, always a silver lining.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:35 AM

    I have read and loved Ulysses. The language is beautiful and evocative. I find all of the hype and hot air about Joyce around this time of year intensely irritating. Joyce himself probably would have had great fun making fun of the whole Bloomsday lark.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 8:58 AM

    Parts of Ulysses are easily read and enjoyable. I particularly like the scene in the pub at Glasnevin where the Citizen (said to be based on Michael Cusack, a founder of the GAA) swears at Leopold Bloom for saying that Jesus had been a Jew.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:16 AM

    @Patrick Brompton: The pub in the Cyclops episode of Ulysses that includes that encomtrr between Bloom and the Citizen is Barney Kiernan’s in Little Britain Street, sadly no longer a pub.. An empty shell of a building.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 8:59 AM

    No but I’d like to (but will never bother).

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:15 AM

    Read The Dead and you will understand the fuss. Only 60 pages long.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 10:14 AM

    Yes I’ve read Dubliners, it’s quite accessible and not difficult to read, plus it’s short stories so you can read it in bite sized pieces, as it were.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 9:41 AM

    I got as far as halfway through the first chapter of Ulysses. I was proud of that.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 11:07 AM

    half way through Ulysses audio book , quite an experience . really enjoyable.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 10:50 AM

    Dubliners is very enjoyable. I read it first as a teenager and he highlighted all the traits I hated in adults.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 1:22 PM

    Portrait of the Artist is the best place to start ..

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    Jun 16th 2020, 10:47 AM

    So many characters in Ulysses of the type still thriving today. Joyce even anticipated the safe-in-their-bubble know-alls of the commentariat here who end their comments with a “Jesus Wept.”

    This from Chapter 3 of Ulysses: His pace slackened. Here. Am I going to aunt Sara’s or not? My consubstantial father’s voice. Did you see anything of your artist brother
    Stephen lately? No? Sure he’s not down in Strasburg terrace with his aunt
    Sally? Couldn’t he fly a bit higher than that, eh? And and and and tell us,
    Stephen, how is uncle Si? O, weeping God, the things I married into! De
    boys up in de hayloft. The drunken little costdrawer and his brother, the
    cornet player. Highly respectable gondoliers! And skeweyed Walter sirring
    his father, no less! Sir. Yes, sir. No, sir. Jesus wept: and no wonder, by
    Christ!

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    Jun 16th 2020, 12:38 PM

    My mam was delighted I was born on Bloomsday yet neither of us have read it as far as I know – I certainly haven’t anyway

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    Jun 16th 2020, 1:14 PM

    Would it be as hard to read as Tolstoy’s War and Peace? incidentally, Tolstoys original title to War and Peace was ‘War, What Is It Good For? Thats how the song came about!

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    Jun 16th 2020, 1:57 PM

    @Pauline Gallagher: Easier character names than Tolstoy’s, there’s that.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 6:43 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: ah ok. I was joking about the book title btw.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 10:46 AM

    The Most Dangerous Book in the World about how difficult it was to get Ulysses published is very interesting

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    Jun 16th 2020, 12:15 PM

    Trying to read Ulysses at the moment. Cannot get the hang of it at all. I’ve three chapters read and it just appears to me to be the insane ramblings of a semi-senile old idiot. Nothing makes sense in it, no story line. Will probably finish it just to be able to say that I have read it. How it is regarded as the greatest novel of the 20th century is beyond me. Nora Barnacle was right when she said to him “why don’t you write books that people can read”. This book to me is totally unreadable. I dread to think what Finnigans Wake is like.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 12:41 PM

    @John Cassin: if you want a traditional storyline there’s literally millions of other books to choose from, I think it’s safe to say that Joyce was trying something different with Ulysses. He wasn’t senile or old when he wrote it, it’s all very carefully put together. I’d recommend listening to the RTE audiobook first, but if you really hate it just don’t read it. Simples.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 12:52 PM

    @John Cassin: I read it in a group at a library with a coordinator who was familiar with the book (and probably an expert). Pretty sure I would never have read it on my own. If you have to go it alone maybe read online summaries of the chapters first. You could probably skip a few and come back to them another time.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 3:55 PM

    It’s ‘Finnegans Wake’ NOT ‘Finnegan’s Wake’. It was surely that apostrophe that hastened the good man’s end.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 1:58 PM

    Yes, but I preferred Beckett.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 3:48 PM

    Yes I said yes I have yes.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 10:42 AM

    Ulysses..complete drivel….give me Irvine Welsh anytime

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    Jun 17th 2020, 9:51 AM

    I actually read 1000 pages of it and gave up. Lets be franks, it is impenetrable b*ll*cks. You can clearly see why Joyce is lauded, but it really is just a trudge. My version of it had a 250 page introduction. There is also a stint without full stops for God knows how many pages.

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    Jun 16th 2020, 11:14 PM

    Posters here seem to be mixing “read Joyce” with read Ulysses”
    I have read Dubliners and really enjoyed it, got through 100 pages of Ulysses, kinda liked it but have a life so wasn’t motivated to read the final 899 pages, might do one day though.

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