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Sam Boal

Taoiseach fails to give clarity to publicans on whether €9 meal rule will be scrapped for Summer 2021

The LVA also wants an end to the distinction between ‘wet’ pubs and venues serving food.

LAST UPDATE | 23 Mar 2021

THE TAOISEACH WOULD not be drawn today on whether the difference between “wet pubs” and “gastro pubs” will be scrapped this summer.

Publicans have said today that reopening plans should not see restaurants and gastro pubs open before the traditional ‘wet’ pubs.

The Licensed Vintners Association (LVA), which represents Dublin publicans, told an Oireachtas Committee today that “this artificial distinction between food businesses and wet pubs” must be ended.

The called for guarantees that the €9 meal rule will not be a feature once a wider reopening of society begins and sought guidance on what percentage of the community needs to be vaccinated before the various stages of reopening can be considered.

Last summer, some pubs serving food were allowed to reopen alongside restaurants with a rule that a customer had to have a “substantial meal” to go with their pint. So-called ‘wet’ pubs were only able to open for a few weeks in the autumn while in Dublin pubs in this sector never reopened at all.  

The LVI maintains the €9 meal requirement is an “outmoded regulation” and want clarification that it will not be re-introduced

When asked recently if such a regulation would feature this summer, Taoiseach Micheál Martin said the government would be “looking at this afresh” this year.

However, when asked today by The Journal about whether the compulsory meal will be scrapped and if all pubs can reopen at the same time, the Taoiseach said:
“We are not going there.”
The government will make its position clear next week, he said, stating that there was no point in speculating on the easing of restrictions. 
Last year the Taoiseach said the “demarcation line between pubs with pizza” and those that don’t serve food was “becoming untenable and lacking credibility over time”.
The Vintners’ Federation of Ireland, a group that represents 4,000 family pubs, said a clear statement from government that all hospitality outlets will be allowed to open at the same time, under the same conditions and subject to the same sanctions, needs to be made.

“No more divides between food and non-food,” they state.

VFI chief executive Padraig Cribben appealed for the Government not to leave it until the last minute to inform them.

Cribben said: “We’re not looking for specific dates… we need to know the level of vaccination that’s going to be required to reopen.”

He said outdoor dining was not a viable option for the majority of Irish pubs and restaurants.

“The one thing we know is that we can get a bout of hailstones as much as a bout of sunshine in the month of July or August,” he said.

“Talking about outdoor dining in an Irish context is, by and large, a red herring. Businesses will not be viable as outdoor (operations) particularly if you take constituencies where there is a big dependency on tourism.”

“The sector now needs a clear roadmap outlining the conditions that need to be in place for re-opening – level of vaccination, community transmission, hospitalisation etc. Hope is needed. There is none. Such a roadmap would provide hope and help to reduce stress levels,” he added.

Under the government’s updated roadmap for reopening, currently only take-away food and drink is allowed for all restaurants and pubs. Under Level 4 no indoor dining is allowed but outdoor dining is – limited to a maximum of 15 people.

From Level 3 down indoor dining is permitted with a sliding scale of restrictions. 

The LVA told the Committee on Media, Tourism, Arts, Culture, Sport and the Gaeltacht today that it understands the specific reopening dates cannot be provided at this time.

However, it is called on the government to publicly communicate the circumstances that must apply to allow the full reopening of the hospitality sector. 

Specifically publicans called for details around what percentage of the adult population will need to be vaccinated to allow all pubs and hospitality businesses to reopen, as well as what level community transmission must be at.

The LVA asked in its statement: “Will it be the case the pubs/hospitality can only reopen for vaccinated customers?”

In Israel, where over half the population has received its first dose of the vaccine, members of the public can now apply for a ‘green pass’ which proves they have been vaccinated and can therefore can re-enter gyms, restaurants, and other cultural venues.

This pass is only required for indoor spaces, while outdoor spaces will reopen for everyone.

Meanwhile, in the US, older people, who represent the vast majority of Americans who are fully vaccinated, are heading back out to bars and restaurants in recent days.

Publicans also argue that significant financial supports will be needed even after reopening of the sector, while also stating that prior to them opening their doors, pubs will need a “significantly enhanced” Restart Grant.

Restauranteurs also sought indications of what the summer could look like.

The Restaurants Association of Ireland told the committee today that hospitality businesses are on the brink of collapse, with 50% of restaurants facing permanent closure.

Adrian Cummins, CEO of the association, maintains the current business supports “do not go far enough”.

A restart grant for three weeks is needed for reopening costs, he’s set to tell members – as well as the extension of the commercial rates waiver. The current VAT rate of 9% must remain in place until 2025, Cummins said.

“As we start on the road to recovery, the challenges we have are little to no payment by insurance companies on business interruption claims, landlords seeking full rents for the period of closure, utilities providers disconnecting services to restaurants and hospitality
businesses, and a lack of joined by approach by state bodies with responsibilities for tourism and hospitality,” the committee was told.

“We need a plan for reopening, We need a plan to reemploy staff and above all our industry needs HOPE,” Cummins said.

The comments come as councils say they are working to provide more outdoor space for hospitality businesses such as pubs and restaurants. 

Earlier this month, The Journal reported that Tánaiste and business minister Leo Varadkar was encouraging local authorities to “do what they can” for local restaurants and cafes by supporting outdoor seating where possible in towns and cities this summer.

While it’s hoped lockdown measures will be further eased as the vaccination programme is ramped up from the second quarter of the year, the chair of the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) epidemiological modelling advisory group, Philip Nolan has said it’s clear “we’re looking at an outdoor summer” in 2021.

It’s expected outdoor dining will return before pubs, cafés and restaurants can open more fully. 

Outdoor space

The comments from the RAI come as councils work behind the scenes to open up public spaces that can be used by pubs and restaurants when it is safe for them to reopen. 

Dublin City Council has said it fully committed to assisting hospitality businesses access the public domain to assist them in staying sustainable and providing safe spaces for their customers. 

Prior to the pandemic, Dublin City said it had approximately 190 street furniture licences, but since the onset of Covid-19, Dublin City Council has facilitated an additional 76 temporary street furniture permits.

Fees for both street furniture licences and temporary permits have been waived, and this will continue to the case into the near future.

In a statement, the council it delivered a coordinated plan for the Smithfield area to facilitate outdoor dining in the Summer of 2020.

“We delivered coverings, tables and chairs last Summer and we are now looking to expand the project providing light and heat as well as expanding to other parts of the square and we are currently in the process of investigating how we can expand similar projects for Capel St, South Anne St, Duke St and Newmarket Square.

“Sections of South William Street, Drury Street, Dame Court and South Anne Street are due to be pedestrianised after 11 am each day as soon as is practicable, but this is on hold awaiting the lifting of relevant public health restrictions,” it said.

The trial pedestrianisation in and around these streets was very successful last year, said the council, stating that it will again support social distancing, outdoor dining and should also serve as an attraction for bringing people back into the city centre.

The council is also examining the feasibility of various proposals on a number of streets that would support hospitality businesses to operate outdoors through a re-allocation of the existing road space usage and this is something the Council hopes to roll out over the coming months in consultation with relevant stakeholders. 

The council is also investigating ways to provide additional public toilets across the city.

Local authorities

With restaurants and cafes being put on notice that they are likely to have their customers sitting outside come hail, rain or shine this summer, there are concerns about the different approaches that some county and city councils might take.

Other councils, such as Cork County Council, have stated they want to be proactive in supporting business and retailers – insisting that a key objective for this summer is to maximise the use of outdoor space. 

“The council is collaborating with the hospitality sector in promoting the use of outdoor street furniture,” Cork County Council said. 

The council has also streamlined its processes for administering street furniture license applications and has waived the administration fees.

Cork City Council said it had brought forward proposals to permanently pedestrianise 17 streets and is preparing for a possible increase in demand for street furniture licenses. 

Galway County Council said it has successfully secured three tranches of funding to adapt towns and villages in the county to the changed environment since the start of the pandemic.

The council noted that in many rural towns there are extremely limited locations where the possibility of road closures can be considered as there are no alternative suitable diversions available but said it is happy to consider any proposals and applications for the scheme.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 11:42 AM

    The greatest inadvertant mistake the founders of the USA made. They put that in to defend themselves in shakier times but it has been so badly baztardized that gobsheens like Trump and NRA lobbyists hold huge sway now with no end in sight either.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 1:37 PM

    Actually they got it pretty OK all things considered. The bit the NRA like to leave out is the “organised militia” part. You can expect to pull their heads in though now that videos of the like of The Black Panthers are doing the rounds showing them brandishing long rifles with large capacity clips. That sort of thing scares the bejesus out of your average white republican.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 9:49 PM

    Around 80 Americans die per day from gun violance, I wouldn’t exactly describe thst factt as getting it right. If IS could kill 80 Americans per day they would be pretty happy but when Americans kill 80 Americans daily with guns it’s seen as a constitutional right. Some right.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 11:30 AM

    What a clever country. Do they really think that two groups opposing each other who are legally armed is a good idea. A Mexican stand-off I think it’s called.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 11:32 AM

    Guns and angry people don’t mix…and they don’t even have to hide the fact that they have guns..Clever Country indeed.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:13 PM

    Will Trump allow the Mexicans in for the standoff?

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:27 PM

    i think a mexican standoff is where there are three armed participants, or so i recall from the good the bad and the ugly

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:42 PM

    Correct, although my point of reference is Reservoir Dogs” (no *actual* Mexicans as far as I’m aware)

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    Jul 16th 2016, 1:12 PM

    Technically a Mexican Stand off is where neither party can walk away without incurring injury. Traditionally it’s three parties but it can be two..

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    Jul 16th 2016, 1:35 PM

    thanks Paddy, that does make sense, ill still picture clint, that rather grubby looking chap and the other one i cant remember though

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    Jul 16th 2016, 1:39 PM

    Eli Wallach and Lee Van Cleef….

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    Jul 16th 2016, 1:56 PM

    When you preach politics of hate and fear you reap what you sow. Does anyone think this is the way forward?

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    Jul 17th 2016, 2:48 AM

    how could i forget lee van cleef. im hanging my head

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:17 PM

    Ohios laws state that open carry is OK so why won’t Trump allow Americans their constitional rights in the arena itself. Is this the start of his clampdown on American rights and wouldn’t he be safer if everyone is allowed to be armed inside in case of an attack.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:23 PM

    If Democrat protesters behave themselves there’ll be no need for guns.
    Otherwise it could end up like the OK Corral….and my money’s on the Trump Gang.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:36 PM

    You sir, are a g0bshite!

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:45 PM

    Aoife, because it is the secret service that made the decision. They are kind of sensitive about firearms around US presidents, elected representatives and presumptive presidential Nominees

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:48 PM

    @Osine.
    And you sir are an annoyance.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 1:09 PM

    A guy in the crowd pulls out a gun, is he a good guy about to stop a bad guy you can’t see, or a bad guy? Do tell.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 2:01 PM

    I don’t believe that. I reckon it’s an attempt by the government to roll back on the 2nd amendment. Really or just shows the hypocritical nature of a Trump campaign, he says that more guns are needed but just not when he’s around.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 3:17 PM

    It has been the case at every party convention since the early 80′s

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    Jul 16th 2016, 4:47 PM

    Wayne doesn’t matter. Trump says he’ll make America great again and I presume that includes allowing open carry and stopping govt interference in citizens affairs. He should allow all the conventions to have guns and if republicans are armed it’ll stop any crazy democratic party people.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 6:37 PM

    Presidential security is the job of the secret service, the president does not get to over ride them. If he did they would not be able to do their job

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    Jul 17th 2016, 10:24 AM

    Open carry doesnt allow people to pull a gun pn someone. Its there to negate violence.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 11:44 AM

    very low on grey matter

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    Jul 16th 2016, 11:56 AM

    Leftists want to stage a peaceful protest? Lol we’ll wait.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 1:35 PM

    lol

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:40 PM

    These gun totin right wing NRA crazies are the US version of ISIS. The sad part is so many people in the US see no wrong in their almost mediaeval gun laws.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:50 PM

    Hilary Clinton is a gun totin political hawk of the highest order yet seemingly Democrats have no problem votin for her.
    Go figure.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 4:28 PM

    Actually lots Of Democrats have major problems with Hilary.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:15 PM

    Judging by the belligerent behaviour of leftie Democrats at previous rallies the Republicans have every right to arm themselves.
    And defend themselves if necessary.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:46 PM

    See comment above.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:48 PM

    I did.
    And I’m not impressed.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 1:44 PM

    Somehow I don’t think the intent of the comment was to impress

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    Jul 16th 2016, 11:14 PM

    Yes, they have the right to prove once and for all that they are the biggest terrorists of all. The biggest killers of Americans in the world.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 1:05 PM

    “Trump dominated a divisive and unruly primary season, infuriating minority groups, antagonising many people within his own party, and drawing violence to his campaign rallies.”

    Democrats have consistently behaved like spoiled kids having tantrums and violently attacking Trump supporters.
    And yet people consistently blame the victims of this violence, how about snowflakes take responsibility for their own actions? Even an assassination attempt against him doesn’t seem to have raised any eyebrows.
    Trump has shown the liberal monkeys up for what they are.

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    Jul 17th 2016, 1:05 AM

    Trump has shown the world how far a fart in a brown paper bag can go

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    Jul 16th 2016, 3:16 PM

    It’s a bad idea when the government have all the arms and citizens have none…eventually that scenario will end badly too.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 3:50 PM

    Yep. Having an armed populace keeps the government in check!

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    Jul 16th 2016, 7:07 PM

    if you live in the 18th century then yes, yes it does

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    Jul 16th 2016, 12:15 PM

    The Tru(m)pPence Conference!!!!… Special Correspondent Mark Tanner!!

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    Jul 16th 2016, 5:16 PM

    Open carrying of guns at a Trump rally….what could possibly go wrong.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 10:17 PM

    Democrats arrive.

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    Jul 16th 2016, 5:02 PM

    Everyone should point their gun at him in the convention and ask him how he feels.

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