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Column Why are people supporting Seán Quinn? Well, it’s an Irish tradition

We might find the rallies in support of Seán Quinn shocking – but there are simple reasons for it, writes Eoin O’Malley.

AT A TIME when many in Ireland are baying for the blood of Seán FitzPatrick, the sight of thousands of people demonstrating their desire for ‘justice’ for the bankrupt former billionaire businessman Seán Quinn might cause a casual observer of Ireland to think that they want to see him imprisoned for the contempt he has shown the Irish state, the Irish courts and perhaps most importantly the Irish people.

That he mismanaged his insurance business to such an extent that it led directly to all Irish insurance consumers paying an insurance levy of two per cent (but this will probably increase to four per cent); that he was the central figure in the illegal loans designed to prop up Anglo Irish Bank when it was becoming obvious that the bank was little more than a pyramid scheme; that he was a property speculator with half a billion euros worth of loans would all add to the expectation that the demonstration was hostile to Quinn.

This impression that by ‘justice’ for Seán Quinn, the crowd was hoping to string him up from the nearest lamppost would have been supported by the fact that a phalanx of those who represent ‘real’ Ireland – the Catholic Church, the GAA and Sinn Féin – endorsed the calls for ‘justice’.

When that casual observer of Irish society discovers that in fact the crowd was there to support Seán Quinn and his family, she might wonder what is wrong with Ireland and the Irish. The support shown to Quinn by thousands of people in Cavan last Sunday, I think rightly, offends many people. The reaction to an excellent article by Fintan O’Toole highlights how deeply shocked at least some parts of Irish society are at the support Quinn got in Cavan.

Local chief

It seems to show a disrespect for the law, for the position of ordinary Irish people, a lack of solidarity and a lack of understanding of the mess we’re in and how we got here.
Many will think it typical of an Irish culture of loyalty to the local chief. We will think of how many people in Tipperary still vote for Michael Lowry in such numbers regardless of controversy over his actions in office or we’ll think of how Beverley Flynn also managed a comfortable re-election after an outcry in some areas over her dealings with the Revenue.

We assume it’s something to do with Irish political culture, where we tend to treat any offence to a local as an offence to the locality. The wagons are circled – we protect our own. He may be a fool/thug/crook (delete as appropriate) but he’s our fool/thug/crook.
This is the ‘amoral localism’ that the late political scientist, Peter Mair referred to. We can explicitly see this in the reaction of some senior GAA figures, where they say that Quinn is a GAA man and that the GAA stands by its own.

Many in urban Ireland assume this is a trait peculiar to traditional Ireland. I wonder if Seán Quinn were being prosecuted by the British, and had he brought down a British bank, how we would have reacted.

Then maybe we think this blind loyalty as a peculiarly Irish trait. I’m not sure that it is. But even that famous Irish loyalty to the tribe is not as strong as we sometimes think. It is not an unconditional loyalty. Consider of how quickly the famously loyal Fianna Fáil dumped Bertie Ahern as soon as he no longer fulfilled the party’s needs.

‘Witch hunt’

The observation that the support for Quinn in Cavan is a pathology of our culture is too simplistic.

Most people in Cavan if asked about the Quinn situation in abstract terms, I suspect, would agree that what this businessman did was a disgrace and that he should be pursued for all his assets. But we, all of us, are suckers for a story. Add the personal story and it’s different. And Seán Quinn has a good story.

He’s one of us, a man of the soil, (he was even described as a True Gael – whatever that means) who, through hard work built a vast business empire. And unlike others who did it, he never left his roots. He gave the impression of being a simple man, who was being persecuted, and worse whose family – including ‘a simple housewife’ – was being pursued in a state-sponsored ‘witch hunt’. He can argue, however implausibly, that he was willing to work to build up his empire again, but he wasn’t even allowed to try.

I wonder if Quinn had been exposed as a paedophile, what would the reaction have been? I suspect there would have been little sympathy for him, because we now ‘understand’ that crime. It’s less easy to fathom contracts for difference.

We also forget that Seán Quinn has a huge impact on Cavan. Pass through Cavan town and it is obvious. He owned everything, and that which he didn’t own he sponsored. When most people either worked for Quinn or lived with someone who worked for Quinn he is going to be popular. When his businesses collapsed as a result of what I would see as Quinn’s stupid business decisions and greed, it wasn’t Seán Quinn who let the staff go, it was a receiver. What Quinn gave to the town is tangible, and has his name all over it – literally.

What he has taken away is of course much greater, but it’s less clearly associated with Quinn, and the pain is also spread out among Irish people as a whole. The same is true of Michael Lowry and the Flynn family. They delivered for their constituency and are rewarded for that. So Cavan isn’t that peculiar – not in that way, at least!

Eoin O’Malley teaches Irish politics at the School of Law and Government, Dublin City University. He is the author of Contemporary Ireland (Palgrave 2011).

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:16 PM

    This is great! We’ll be able to watch live as these snakes sell this country out from under us and sell it’s people into slavery.

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    Mute Muc Beag II
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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:24 PM

    Ah damn. Was hoping to be the first to post one of these tired, overposted comments.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 11:51 PM

    The Oireachtas has been available to watch on the Net for a few years now. So for those who can’t wait for a channel to appear on Saorview,
    http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=/documents/livewebcast/Web-Live.htm&CatID=83&m=o

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:42 PM

    Dáilafornia.

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    Feb 16th 2012, 12:45 AM

    Dail-less da da da da da da da Starring Enda Kenny as Useless Smarmy, Eamon Gilmore as the invisible man, Bruton as Jobless, Burton As Social Neglect, Reilly as Death, Noonan as Scrooge, Hogan as Cat Burglar, etc etc etc

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    Feb 15th 2012, 7:15 PM

    WOW, televised empty seats.

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    Feb 16th 2012, 1:36 AM

    What, empty seats?! Surely the amount they claim in expenses for travel and overnight must mean their there all the time…

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:20 PM

    Who will watch it ? Hey here is a plan …. Why not pipe it into all classrooms in the country …

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:31 PM

    I think Eileen that could be classified as Child Abuse if it were to happen.I love my kids too much to have them subjected to constant lies and bullshit.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:35 PM

    wouldn’t we want our students to be engaged and learning Eileen rather than bored asleep????? Think of the children lolololol ;-)

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:43 PM

    :) :) :) Lol ,Lol,
    I am glad we all still have a sense of humpr :)

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    Feb 16th 2012, 12:34 AM

    i did not know there was such a dedicated T.V. channel what have i been missing here lol

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    Mute Norman Hunter
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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:26 PM

    Who in their right mind would want to watch this bunch of sneering,smirking assholes.Ni difference between any of them.All greedy in it for themselves assholes.Here ends my rant.

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    Feb 16th 2012, 12:56 AM

    PEOPLE, ISN’T OIREACHTAS REPORT ENOUGH ?

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    Mute Stephen Murphy
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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:59 PM

    what are we going to watch. the Dail is never in session. it’ll be reruns of bertie, brian, charlie and all the other crooks over the years.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:27 PM

    Good God..how much will.this crap cost! Is there noone to say STOP! Our public services at frontline are creaking…our young and not so young are fleeing faster than.the anfield cat and our gloruous leaders want to have their own tv channel….i feel.like yer boy on.Harry Enfield…NO!!!

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:33 PM

    It will lead to greater public scrutiny of the goings on in the Oireachtas, surely that can only be a good thing? In light of what went on in there that “brought us to our knees” and lead to the “current economic climate” and “[insert horrendously overused cliché to describe the late-2000s recession here]“, “bankers”, “bondholders”, “Merkozy”, “WAKE UP PEOPLE” and so forth.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:36 PM

    Sorry Muc all decisions happen in committee and private cabinet meetings never ever in front of cameras and never will.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 7:11 PM

    No, all the legislation is debated and voted upon in the Dáil. Pretty fundamental stuff there Norman.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 7:13 PM

    Muc the recent debate in the Dail reference the internet copyright act decision already taken before debate.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 7:29 PM

    That was a statutory instrument, it wasn’t required. Debate happened in spite of that. Actual legislation has to be passed by the Dáil, as is the case in most parliamentary democracies/representative republics.

    If you have kids in secondary school, pick up one of their CSPE books and learn the law-making process, separation of powers and the general basics of how a state functions before you go on ill-informed, cynical rants about the government. It’s really not that complicated

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:35 PM

    Ah yes I can see it now celebrity T D
    Celebrity Minister Lotto draw to see what patients get seen this week probably hosted by some tallaght tv air head.
    Jesus is there no end to this waste

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    Feb 16th 2012, 1:33 AM

    Maybe KPMG could stand over the debates and say if they’re impartial.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:32 PM

    You realise that this expansion is only been suggested so these useless twats in the Seanad can keep/justify their jobs!

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    Feb 15th 2012, 7:44 PM

    A business plan! There’s no money in it. This is exactly what the national public service broadcaster should be doing – Hello RTE? BBC Parliament is the model but they want to waste cash on a tender to advise? Just tell RTE to do it – they’ve loads of spare capacity on the white elephant that is Saorview – they’d be able to claim a whole EIGHT channels then!

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    Feb 15th 2012, 7:03 PM

    How much will the special consultants for makeup and hair cost us?

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    Feb 16th 2012, 1:34 AM

    Don’t forget photography…

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    Feb 15th 2012, 6:39 PM

    if the Gov are serious about this isn’t there a state broadcaster that could do it at very little cost?

    But again – who would watch it? It’s so tedious – that’s why they show that political show on RTE really late at night so it’ll help insomniacs sleep.

    and as Colm mentioned, front line staff and services in the country are crumbling and this is just a complete waste of money (no matter how little it costs)

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    Feb 15th 2012, 8:26 PM

    It needs to be more widely available – Sky, Saorview as well as UPC. More homes have Sky I think then UPC.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 9:16 PM

    A waste of money. They are barley able to keep the main tv Channels going. Have they not already got time on main stream television How many people would want to watch it anyway.In the present climate it is a non starter. Money can be better spent elsewhere.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 11:32 PM

    Put the whole feckin’ thing on-line and make sure there’s a censorship free comments section with a thumbs up/down option. Instantaneous public feedback! And a nightly highlights show, with a panel that discusses the issues of the day and the most popular points raise in the comments section. Online would also be way more cost effective.

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    Feb 16th 2012, 6:32 PM

    Tadhg, I was thinking of a LED display board on the back of the House (just like kid’s TV when b’day wishes etc are sent in) where we could text them about their filibustering. ;-) It’d have to be severely edited I think lol

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    Feb 15th 2012, 8:10 PM

    Have it on UPC. Came in handy when I was trying to follow the debate on the copyright SI.

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    Feb 15th 2012, 10:19 PM

    Folks if you don’t like the people on the TV, don’t put them there in the first place!

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    Feb 15th 2012, 7:36 PM

    Get real, please. I mean please. Of course, maybe the feasibility study will realise that all the people at work soon after the Jobs Initiative won’t have time to watch this.

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    Feb 16th 2012, 1:36 AM

    So polite.

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    Feb 16th 2012, 8:44 AM

    Disgusted at the anti-openness comments on this feed. Looks like the conspiracy theorists have taken over the comments section of journal.ie! I wish ye’d cop on to yourselves!

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    Feb 15th 2012, 8:25 PM

    Well considering the money currently being spent on televising the oireachtas and dail leaves the state (the last tender was awarded to a northern irish company) hopefully they will consider supporting local companies a priority for any further tenders.

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    Feb 16th 2012, 6:28 PM

    Dario if you’d thrown a few more noughts on your €10 bid and buddied up with any of the TDs, you’d have been a shoe-in!!!!! ;-)

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