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Israeli Ambassador to Ireland Ophir Kariv. Oireachtas.ie

'Spats of hate': Israeli Ambassador and Alan Shatter criticise TDs during committee meeting

Ambassador Ophir Kariv labelled the contributions as “totally destructive”.

THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR to Ireland has hit out at what he labelled as “spats of hate” during a meeting of the Oireachtas Foreign Affairs Committee this morning. 

Ambassador Ophir Kariv labelled the contributions as “totally destructive” but said that Ireland in general can contribute to peace in the region in several ways. 

He said that, while he wished to “be careful” in drawing parallels between Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the Irish history, people in Ireland should be aware of the importance “listening to both sides”.  

Former justice minister Alan Shatter was also speaking before the committee as a supporter of the Ireland-Israel Alliance and as chairman of Magen David Adom Ireland, which supports the emergency services in Israel. 

Meanwhile, in the Dáil, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar said said the government is committed to a “two-state solution in the middle east”. 

He said he abhors Hamas and what is being done in terms of terror and the violation of human rights against women and particularly LGBT communities.

He said he wouldn’t want any comments to be misconstrued as support for Hamas in anyway.

However, he added that the actions of the Israeli government are “indefensible”.

The annexation, expulsion and killing of civilians “deliberately or in terms of collateral damage is not the behaviour of a democratic state in the 21st century”, he said. 

The Irish government will use its position “as best we can to try and get a common UN position on this, which is never easy”, he added. Ireland will also try and coordinate and advance further action at EU level.

Today’s committee meeting was held to examine forced displacements and demolitions in the occupied Palestinian territory and comes amid serious violence in the region.  

Israeli forces have carried out air strikes killing and injuring civilians in Gaza while militants in the enclave have fired hundreds of rockets towards civilian areas in Israel. 

In Gaza, 83 people were reported killed since Monday — including 17 children — and more than 480 people were wounded. 

In southern Israel, seven people have been killed, including one six-year-old

Earlier this week, Minister for Foreign Affairs Minister Coveney summoned Ambassador Kariv to a meeting, telling him that the loss of life in Gaza due to Israeli air strikes was “completely unacceptable”. 

In response, Ireland’s Ambassador to Israel Kyle O’Sullivan was summoned to the Israeli foreign office yesterday

Speaking before the committee, Kariv said that Ireland can contribute to peace efforts by engaging in humanitarian efforts in Gaza but also by acknowledging that the conflict is complex. 

He said that said the Israeli-Palestinian conflict “is one with many dimensions ” including “national, geographical, historical, and sometimes even religious”. 

“Ireland knows, and Irish people know all too well, what is the meaning of such complex and sensitive conflict.  It’s true, these are different stories. The conflicts are not identical. But I think the main points are about knowing how to listen to both sides,” Kariv said. 

He added: 

I’ll be very careful in drawing parallels between the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Irish history and the conflict on the island of Ireland. But I think that one rule we can draw very confidently is the complexity and that anyone who approaches this kind of conflict must bear in mind things are not simple, things are not black and white.

Kariv also criticised some of the contributions made during the meeting, saying they were “totally destructive” 

“We’ve had some, I’m sorry for the wording but spats of hate, which I do not know where they’re going, what they what they need to achieve what they aspire to achieve,” he said. 

Several committee members spoke out against Israel’s actions against Palestinians in Gaza today and throughout history. 

Social Democrats TD Gary Gannon said that Israel can be seen to have “provoked the situation” by “removing people from land they’ve held”. 

He also questioned Israel’s “rules of engagement” for bombing “densely populated zones such as Gaza where over 2 million people live”. 

“If a Hamas militant is in a building does that make the building an automatic and legitimate tag in Gaza,” he said. 

Sinn Féin’s John Brady TD described the “indiscriminate” bombing of Gaza as an Israeli form of “collective punishment” and he accused the pro-Israel speakers at the committee of “not expressing remorse” for the loss of life. 

Some of the most trenchant criticism of Israel came from People Before Profit TD Richard Boyd Barrett who addressed the speakers as “supporters of the Israeli project, state, or whatever it is”. 

“I am one of the people who think you’re a colonialist enterprise, that your state is a colonialist enterprise, that it is an apartheid state. Those years from its very beginning achieved its aims through the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people. Something well documented,” he said. 

Boyd Barrett also referred to the controversial 2018 law in Israel which defined the country as the nation state of the Jewish people

“Surely, if you believe that Jew, Arab, Christian and people who have no religion, which I certainly do by the way, that they can and should live by side by side with equal rights, grant all those Palestinians and their descendants the right to return,” he said. 

Then your Orwellian narrative of trying to justify the continued annexation and ethnic cleansing of Palestinian territory might have some credibility, but unless you actually confer equality in the law and the basic laws of the state, whether you call it Israel or Palestine, then it is a fact that your state is an apartheid state.

shat Alan Shatter at this morning's committee. Oireachtas.ie Oireachtas.ie

Shatter told the committee meeting that he watched Tuesday’s hearing, which featured Palestinian Ambassador Dr. Abdalmajid, and that he found it “depressing as an observer” because “no hard questions were asked”.

“I think are no matter what side you’re on, and I don’t believe members of the Foreign Affairs Committee should be on any side other than Ireland’s side, but no matter what side you’re on, I think it beholds members of the committee to ask the hard questions, to tease out propositions that are presented before it,” he said. 

Shatter reserved particular criticism for the contributions of Brady and Boyd Barrett. 

“Ironically, the Sinn Féin that advocates for the self-determination of the Irish people is apparently entirely opposed to the self-determination of the Jewish people, and both Deputy Barrett and Deputy Brady strenuously seek to avoid the reality that the UN resolution of 1947 envisaged the creation of Israel as a Jewish state,” he said.

The one and only Jewish state in the world that has 52 Muslim states. And in a world in which many of those states exclude other religions and do not display the level of religious tolerance and understanding that applies in Israel.

Shatter went on to say that Sinn Féin “had learned nothing from the Peace Process” and claimed that the party’s stance on the conflict in the Middle East was “payback for the assistance given by the PLO and PFLP in the training of Provo terrorists throughout 1970s and 1980s who wrought murder and mayhem on the island of Ireland.”

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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:01 PM

    It’s great when the papers advertise all the tips and tricks.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:02 PM

    All beside their family I hope….

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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:03 PM

    @darrell fahy: families I mean

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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:51 PM

    @darrell fahy: with large gardens!

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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:58 PM

    Can we please get back to the topic of free housing?
    I am sick to my back teeth of talking about women from the waist down, Maurice McCabe and Magdalena Laundries….

    Give me some David Drumm and the effects of the outcome of his case on the Quinn family.

    Spice it up please Journal…..!!!!

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    Jun 7th 2018, 2:58 PM

    @Gareth Cooney: And do you not think that people that suffered abuse and many had to run of the this country for the own protection from the state, police and church is not news worthy? What free house, I like many am on a housing list for 9 years with a special needs child no way of working as I am a full time carer and no way of ever getting a loan or a mortgage, I pay €84 per week to the council towards my rent on the RAS scheme but my term with my landlord is up next February and I could find myself on the street. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/local_authority_and_social_housing/rental_accommodation_scheme.html

    And I would agree about David Drumm and the Quinns, I even believe they are trying to start up their business again in phase 2 of the Celtic tiger.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 4:02 PM

    @Charliegrl80:
    The rent paid on a RAS scheme is 10% of your income….. How are you paying €84 per week?

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    Jun 7th 2018, 4:11 PM

    @joeyhem: my son and myself are on the rent

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    Jun 7th 2018, 4:33 PM

    @Charliegrl80: I don’t believe you spotted any satire or sarcasm in my comment.
    However, I sympathise with your circumstances and encourage you to continue to play as best you can the hand that life dealt you.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 7:08 PM

    @Gareth Cooney: I did get the sarcasm but I felt it as a person that struggles daily.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:04 PM

    We will not get a surge in accommodation building enrollment the PRTB is disbanded and bedsits are available again. The more likely development is the building of hundreds of Ballymun Towers Eastern Europe state housing.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 2:23 PM

    @Tom Molloy: You have that already….Irish people having to move out of housing estates as they have been over run by foreign migrants who do’int give a dam, its just some where to stay, zero integration, while the whole area turns into a kip.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 5:39 PM

    @BananaRepublic1922: and where are they moving to?

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    Jun 7th 2018, 2:59 PM

    Loss of tenancy in the private rental sector or relationship breakdown may be contributing factors to people needing a home but homelessness is caused by the lack of adequate social housing. Demand outstrips supply and the government expect the private sector to fix it, instead of properly addressing the issue themselves.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 3:14 PM

    This is not rocket science. The majority that exit homelessness within the 12 months don’t get social housing, makes complete sense. Why is this even news? Other than to stir things up against homeless people?

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    Jun 7th 2018, 5:57 PM

    You can work hard in this country and not be able to afford a house , fact .social
    Inclusion. Or stop all social inclusion including farmers

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    Jun 7th 2018, 10:52 PM

    @Gerry Glynn: What does working hard have to do with it? I could work a 85 hour work week in McDonald’s flipping burgers. I don’t expect to be able to afford a home on that wage in Dublin nor should I.

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    Jun 8th 2018, 1:46 AM

    @Leroy: what’s your question

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    Jun 7th 2018, 10:47 PM

    As someone who is currently at risk of homelessness it is beyond ridiculous. My rental accommodation went up for sale 6 months ago & I have been searching for another property ever since to no avail. I now have 16 days to vacate as it has been sold with no where to go with my 2 children, nothing is being done to help people in my situation. I have been told by numerous people, ie local reps & council, that “we cannot help you, come back when your homeless”. There is no properties to rent & the ones available I contacted over the 6 months, I either didn’t get a call back to even view the property or told “more suitable tenants” got the rental, what is so wrong with renting a house to a responsible single lady & 2 children. I have worked for many years and paid my taxes like everyone else & I would never push for a council house but it’s crazy to ask for help or advice when your in this situation,but be told, “come back to us when your homeless”..

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    Jun 8th 2018, 1:01 AM

    @Lisa Gordon: Hi Lisa, I’m sorry to hear your situation, you should touch base with some of the homeless organizations depending on what side of the country you are in thay can give you advice on what to do. I had been in a similar situation 13 weeks ago but i know you are under alot of pressure with the two kids. Stay strong and it will work out

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    Jun 9th 2018, 1:01 PM

    @Homeless Express: thank you. I contacted our local focus ireland and got some help & information. It really comes down to lack of properties on the rental market. There are so many vacant houses here in my locality either abandoned or mostly up for sale. Finally got another viewing on a house which is 15/20 minutes drive from where I currently live in a small just outside of Sligo town but fingers crossed I get it. Unfortunately it is in a locality I’m not familiar with, no family or friends or a car to visit anyone or get the kiddies to school and no bus services in the area but as you said the only thing is to stay strong & work hard to secure something.. anything. And everything else can be worked on from there. It’s great to receive a positive comment from someone who has been through before. Sincerest thanks.

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    Jun 9th 2018, 11:49 PM

    @Lisa Gordon: Anytime all the best you’re doing great it’s just another chapter in life and you will be proud of looking back in years to come. My advice is take anything you can for now and work out the logistics later. All the best

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    Jun 7th 2018, 3:35 PM

    Stupid people spend whole life working hard to pay mortgages and homeless getting it for free. Great idea for getting free home and doing nothing.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 5:38 PM

    @Paddy Power: give up work and go and live on the street then if you think it’s a better option.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 8:37 PM

    @Robin Pickering: except families are not on the street are they ..

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    Jun 7th 2018, 9:57 PM

    @Siobhán Ni Mhurchú: Main streets no, under bushes at night, pushed out of sight, so as not to hurt the eyes of the onlookers. Homeless was bad enough but hiding as well as homeless away from opinions and judgment. Free homes me arse, I’m homeless and not looking for a house because there is plenty that needs it more than me. Do me a favour. if you have such a strong opinion of the homeless go and spend a day volunteering I bet you change your mind.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 2:33 PM

    @Gareth Cooney: Ouch! Waiting for the onslaught! And you have a point tbh.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 4:34 PM

    @Margate: indeed but I think I might have recovered slightly with my response to the big one.

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