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'No point in fooling ourselves into telling people not to go out': Call for extended park opening hours

Meanwhile, young people told us about their experiences gathering over the weekend.

FIANNA FAIL’S JIM O’Callaghan has said councils need to redirect young people into the parks, saying that park opening hours should be extended over the weekend. 

Speaking on RTE’s Drivetime, he said there is a need to recognise that this has been a very difficult 15 months for young people, their employment, their education, their social life, and their ability to form relationships.

“I want to salute them for the sacrifices that they’ve made to protect society from the pandemic,” he said. 

“This weekend coming, I think the city councils and councils around the country need to do more to redirect young people into parks. I think we need more bins in the parks, toilets in the parks, I think we have to recognise that young people are going to drink outside,” he said.

The Tánaiste Leo Varadkar said this evening that the Cabinet did “toy with” the possibility of reopening outdoor dining and drinking facilities sooner than 7 June. 

“We’re not going to change it now,” Varadkar said on Newstalk radio’s The Hard Shoulder.  

He said he witnessed “people gathering in the outdoors responsibly, sitting in relatively small groups” in Dublin city yesterday. 

“I think there is a risk always, when a video goes up on Twitter of a certain number of people misbehaving in a certain number of places, there can be a bit of overreaction to it.

“The vast majority of people – 90% of people 90% of the time – are following the guidelines,” he said. 

O’Callaghan said the crowds should “reduce significantly” when outdoor dining reopens on Bank Holiday Monday. 

He said people drinking and socialising outside is not something new, and that the government’s outdoor summer message for young people is so they don’t socialise in each other’s homes. 

“We’ve told them that they must meet up with people outside. The problem with the weekend was that they were meeting outside in very densely congregated areas. And obviously, a number of different groups are coming together. We need to try to disperse them into other parts for the forthcoming weekend.”

He said the parks that Dublin City Council operates should be kept open longer. 

“Keep them open late in the evening,” said O’Callaghan.

“Like there’s no point in fooling ourselves into saying, ‘we’re going to tell people not to go out’. Young people are going to go out and socialise. We have great facilities in Dublin City, we need to make those facilities available for this weekend,” he added. 

Earlier today, Housing and Local Government Minister Darragh O’Brien said he has called on local authorities to supply more bins in areas where people are gathering. 

Dublin Mid-West Fine Gael TD Emer Higgins said it is great to see outdoor seating in some areas of the city, and that it is an important part of outdoor socialising. She said she would like to see more of that in our villages and cities.

“We know that outdoors is safer than indoors so many people will continue to want to socialise outdoors even when indoor is permitted. We need to facilitate that,” she said.

“There’s been a huge increase in litter throughout the pandemic, not just recently but in the past year or more as people have been spending more time in local parks and public spaces. People should be bringing their rubbish home with them if bins are full, but an increase in bins would help alleviate that problem. It’s great there was an announcement of additional funding for this, but we need that funding turned into bins ASAP,” she added. 

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Dublin Rathdown Fine Gael TD Neale Richmond told The Journal that the government has given plenty of resources to local authorities to get areas ready for an outdoor summer.  

“I don’t think it’s a funding issue at all. The provisions of bins, toilets and resources is perfectly affordable and indeed the Government has made plenty of supports available. The lack of consistency in approach, however, is frustrating.

“I think Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown and the local gardaí have done well to achieve a balance cooperating with local businesses, residents groups and local representatives to provide extra bins, public toilets, seating, cleansing crews and to extend park opening hours.

“If we’re serious about an outdoor summer then we must ensure that it is possible,” he added. 

“I have a lot of sympathy for those who have limited space where they live, who are probably working from home and who have missed out on so many opportunities throughout the pandemic. Indeed, as a young family, we’d be lost without local parks and playgrounds.

“But of course, we all still need to heed the public health advice, consider our actions and tidy up after ourselves,” he added. 

Dublin Fingal TD Alan Farrell said councils have been provided with additional funding for outdoor facilities via two separate departments in recent months.

For years councils refused to install benches, for fear they would be used by teens, he said, adding that anti-social behaviour is a huge thing in the suburbs “but teens hanging out in public should be encouraged, otherwise they gather in seclusion”.

“As it applies to common areas in the city, I think Dublin City Council is entirely derelict in their responsibilities in not recognising the need for more bins, benches and a joined-up approach to policing an area,” he added.

The pubs being closed and the lack of public loos is also driving this, he said, adding that if the pubs are reopened safely, “most of this issue goes away”.

Farrell said there will always be an issue with popular areas like South William Street, and others like Harcourt Street and Temple Bar. “Younger folk want to hang out. Let them,” he said.

‘It was genuinely like a festival – so we left’

Meanwhile, young people have spoken to The Journal about their experiences over the weekend.

One young graduate felt the brunt of the blame was pushed towards young people. She said that she and her two friends bought takeaway pints from South William St on Saturday evening. However, the trio left the crowds to drink them.

“It was packed, it was genuinely like a festival,” she said. “So we didn’t want to hang around there.”

About an hour after they arrived at St Stephen’s Green, gardaí began to clear the busy park. She and her friends, who were sitting separate to other groups, began to pack up their belongings.

One of the young woman’s female friends was holding a half-full pint in one hand as she packed up.

A Garda who was there clearing the crowds took the pint, crushed the plastic cup and threw it over his shoulder, said the young woman.

The young woman said that while she understands why the crowds need to be moved, she felt the entire experience was degrading.

“We had to walk through South William Street to get through our bus stop and we were like sardines trying to get through. It was ridiculous.

And I know we probably shouldn’t have been there and we probably shouldn’t have been drinking – but there was three of us.

She was frustrated at how she and her friends are encouraged to gather outside, but when they do, they don’t have a nice experience. “It was a nice day, we went out to a public park, we sat alone and then the guards just treated us in that manner. It was really off-putting.”

“I feel like sometimes when you’re a teenager or in your early 20s, you can’t really win. We tried to gather respectively but we still got treated like shit.”

The graduate said that she and her friends went their separate ways after leaving the park, but she could see how on a sunny day and after being cleared out of the city centre, some people may go to gather in houses.

“I think that Dublin City Council (DCC) needs to recognise there are teenagers across Dublin and across the country that don’t have a back garden to host friends, so going into town and meeting in public spaces is the only option. When that is taken away, there’s no other choice left than to go inside.”

She said she doesn’t think it’s fair to be “wagging the finger” at young people when DCC “needs to do more”.

Doireann O’Sullivan, a student living in South Dublin, said that she thinks it’s mostly people between the ages of 16 and 24 gathering at these outdoor drinking spots.

“I think it’s fair to say those are people who know, in terms of crowds, they make up the biggest proportion,” she said. “But I don’t think it’s fair to completely demonise young people for doing things that we haven’t really been able to do in a year, and [given] the circumstances, warm weather and being outside.

“I suppose you could argue [about] mingling and mixing. That’s very fair to criticise, but I don’t know, I think the excessive criticism is kind of uncalled for.”

Doireann said there needs to be facilities to allow for the outdoor summer the government is promoting. She said that people should never litter, but that it goes both ways.

“The services have to be there. And I think it’s likely it’s wishful thinking on behalf of the government not to provide services.

I think that there’s no getting out of people going into the city centre and going to green areas when it is sunny. It’s been going on for months, and it’s only going to get worse. So I think the best thing you can do is damage control basically.

‘It’s going to encourage more parties’

“If you don’t put out sufficient bins, you’re basically forcing people to litter,” said Eoghan, a student living in the city centre. “And they should maybe have the gardaí to mitigate the worst of it.”

It’s the summer and it’s really warm and it’s Ireland, people want to drink. So shutting down drinking in public places is just going to encourage more house parties, which I just feel like is worse when it comes to the pandemic.

Eoghan said that most of the time, in his experience, going to another popular outdoor spot the Grand Canal is fine, with not much anti-social behaviour going on.

“And once they got the bigger bins in as well there’s way less litter around,” he said, “although there is still a good bit.”

Minister for Housing and Local Government, Darragh O’Brien today told local councils to put bins out in park and areas where people gather. However, DCC has said that the provision of facilities could encourage people to go and gather in certain areas.

On Saturday night, Gardaí arrested four people from South William Street and adjoining streets. DCC said in a press statement that they will be engaging with stakeholders over the coming week to address the large, unplanned outdoor public gatherings. 

- Additional reporting Niamh Quinlan

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    Mute Stephen Kelly
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    May 31st 2021, 6:52 PM

    More bins and empty them regularly. This has been going on for years with litter. Introduce wardens with the power to levty fines.

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    Mute Warren Mcdermott
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    May 31st 2021, 7:09 PM

    @Stephen Kelly: problem all over this country is not enough bins,their should be bins at every bus stop and the parks should have alot more bins and if their is no one to empty the bins during the weekends which seems the case then hav bigger bins,as a country we are awful when it comes to litter

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    May 31st 2021, 7:55 PM

    @Warren Mcdermott: not enough bins leading to less work for the council…… Coincidence?!?!?

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    May 31st 2021, 11:05 PM

    @Stephen Kelly: how do we stop lads after 3 yokes pulling their lad on a street bin? The state of that crowd.

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    Mute Martin Smith
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    May 31st 2021, 7:05 PM

    Real brave garda crushing the plastic tumbler and throwing over his shoulder funny I don’t remember any Garda in the Phoenix park when Leo and his buddies where drinking not a Garda in sight. But hey how easy we forget…bit like Holohan and his presiding over the cervical cancer scandal yup I wonder how many in the media,political circles and those who have bestowed god like adoration on him will broach that cover up

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    Mute Barry Dempsey
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    May 31st 2021, 6:59 PM

    Back in February around the coast- the bins were full, litter around. There has been time to plan for this phased opening, the weather to get better and people to have played their role in complying.

    Council should up its game this is the landscape now- evolving- evolve with it. Empty some bins, change the rota, meet the demand

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    Mute Colm Phillips
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    May 31st 2021, 7:02 PM

    More bins and let people live there lives. Young people have been copped up so long, what do they expect.

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    Mute Paul Cunningham
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    May 31st 2021, 7:14 PM

    @Colm Phillips: a night in the cells or being whipped while picking up the rubbish they keep throwing on the street should be what they expect. They need to stop leaving our cities like a pigsty.

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    May 31st 2021, 7:37 PM

    @Paul Cunningham: Relax will you

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    May 31st 2021, 8:00 PM

    @Paul Cunningham: I’d say it’s a minority of people that actually leave their litter on the ground. And if there were bins provided on the same scale as other European countries, then it wouldn’t be as much of a problem.

    We have a real problem with people sitting outside, building plazas, and al fresco dining in this country. It just seems like such a foreign concept to older Irish people.

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    May 31st 2021, 8:55 PM

    @Tomo: the weather might have something to do with it. We’re a few hundred miles north of most other foreign countries on the continent where al fresco dining is possible due to the climate. We’ll be half way through Summer here in 3 weeks and I think yesterday was the first time that the needle went above 16C.

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    May 31st 2021, 7:38 PM

    I was out for a walk in town weekend before last. I was sober. Covid aside, the situation in town is not safe for young people, particularly young women. There is no sober passive surveillance apart from the random clear outs from the guards. There are no bouncers up and down the streets outside bars, and no barstaff keeping an eye on people, it’s a free for all. On a normal night, If you’re acting the %$#@% you don’t get into a pub or you get asked to leave, you’ll likely just go home then. The bad eggs get filtered out as the evening goes on. Bouncers don’t allow you to drink cans outside their bar etc etc. Nobody is sober.Its a tinder box for anti social and dangerous behaviour mixed with lots of drink and drugs. Open the pubs and get more sober people on the streets looking after people.

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    Jun 1st 2021, 4:25 PM

    @james spice: No need to go into town there is nowhere open – drink in your own areas

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    May 31st 2021, 8:42 PM

    Making out as if all these young groups are victimised is genuinely one of the most hilarious things I have heard. None of this would be an issue if they were behaving in a mature fashion.
    All these people need to come and stay by me for a week. Absolutely shocking. Groups of 20+, screaming, blaring music, ignoring social distancing and acting like savages until the early hours and disrupting people from their own lives.
    I genuinely Have no issue letting people meet up but, cop on. Most live at home with mum and dad and wouldn’t dare to behave like they do outside their own homes so what gives them the right to do it outside other peoples.

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    May 31st 2021, 11:41 PM

    @Jack Inman: fair play to ya jack

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    May 31st 2021, 6:45 PM

    Letting crowds into parks will destroy the parks with litter

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    May 31st 2021, 6:59 PM

    @Declan O’Farrell: so what do you propose? They’re public parks, therfore the public should be allowed to use them. If there is a potential litter problem, supply more bins. It a strange time for all of us so we need to have a little more compassion for the younger generation. There is precious little else for them to do.

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    May 31st 2021, 7:32 PM

    @Declan O’Farrell: letting cows in the field will cover the field in dung

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    May 31st 2021, 8:01 PM

    @Declan O’Farrell: What is the point of parks if they’re under utilised?

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    May 31st 2021, 9:01 PM

    @C: What are you talking about,it’s Dublin City Center ,there’s no cows here,just people.

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    Mute neuromancer
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    May 31st 2021, 7:15 PM

    Ban outdoor drinking.

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    May 31st 2021, 7:34 PM

    @neuromancer: good luck with that

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    May 31st 2021, 8:03 PM

    @neuromancer: It’s already illegal

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    May 31st 2021, 10:39 PM

    @neuromancer: and that will send people back indoors where we are told they shouldn’t be gathering in large groups….wonderful idea

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    May 31st 2021, 11:33 PM

    @Ross McBride: No it’s not

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    May 31st 2021, 9:14 PM

    What Country in the world would close down access to its biggest public park in its capital city? The OPW were allowed to to stop all parking on both sides of chesterfield avenue in the Phoenix Park for bike lanes, when there was already 2 much safer bike lanes the whole length of chesterfield avenue. So in effect they closed off access to everyone else (bar nearby residents) in the city from using the Phoenix Park which totally contradicts Government policy of encouraging outdoor socialising.
    The Government should demand the OPW allow people wanting to use the Phoenix park be allowed park as before on Chesterfield Avenue, get rid of the bike lane which brings cyclists into contact with cars (leaving the old much safer cycle lanes as they were)

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    May 31st 2021, 7:54 PM

    Genuine question , what if there where rubbish bags made available to groups entering into the parks ? . I mean , if all the bins are too full full , and you don’t want to install new ones , just give out black bags to the groups ?. If it works at reducing litter then great, if it doesn’t , then try something else.

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    May 31st 2021, 8:03 PM

    @Daragh Curtis: We don’t really like trying new things in this country.

    The only way this country works is through fines, blanket bans and/or more taxation which never actually get to the route of the issue. Nobody in government genuinely wants to solve problems so what you suggest will never happen.

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    May 31st 2021, 8:14 PM

    @Daragh Curtis: You see Darragh that is the type of suggestion that will ensure that you or your thoughts will never see the light of day.
    Have you done a risk assessment on this proposal, NO.
    Have you provided MMD data for the type of bags you are proposing, NO.
    Have you formulated a Training Plan for the safe operating of the bags, NO.
    I could go on, but what you have provided is an idea that could well go south but what the hell, just try it.
    Unfortunately for you and the public in general our pencil sucking administrators do not want to hear from you or your like.

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    May 31st 2021, 10:14 PM

    @Tomo 100%

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    May 31st 2021, 8:12 PM

    People are obsessed with bins.Just open the Pubs.

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    May 31st 2021, 11:08 PM

    There was a totally average number of people in wicklow town this past weekend and pretty much every bin in the town was full by 2pm. Town councils need to cop themselves on. Lord knows they’ve had long enough to prepare for this!

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    May 31st 2021, 8:59 PM

    DCC unions on high alert now. “Wha, work for more than 4 hours? Are ya bleedin jokin? Me back is killin me and it’s freezin out theyare. I’ll hav to talk to me shop stewhard. I’ll neeyad premium pay for this and disdurbence money. I normally have a nap at 12 so 12-1 will be dubble time righ”.

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    Mute Liz O'Neill
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    May 31st 2021, 10:10 PM

    All this will mean is that regular early evening park users will no longer feel welcome or safe as they take their walks, jogs or walk their pets. Gangs of people drinking and behaving in an anti social manner shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere, at any time.

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    May 31st 2021, 8:20 PM

    Open the pubs for god sake

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    May 31st 2021, 7:47 PM

    “A bit of an overreaction to it” and a pub didn’t get their licence renewed because that little video had a reaction to it or an overreaction to it….

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    May 31st 2021, 9:59 PM

    We now have the opportunity to open beer gardens , controlled , but we will wait till weekend is over , then the powers that be will be shocked at crowd gatherings on streets ???

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    May 31st 2021, 7:18 PM

    I feel a PSA campaign on littering is needed. It may not feel like that long ago to me that we had the race against waste ads and the tsunami of garbage and rats that was rushing through the streets on TV. But to the youth of today they likely don’t remember such ads from the early 2000′s by now. They need to bring their rubbish with them at the very least, even if there’s no bins around. I would say its a culture shock to them to visit Taiwan and be scared to find entire cities with no bins but neat and tidy because the people just bring their rubbish home.

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    Jun 1st 2021, 6:43 AM

    @Paul Cunningham: hmm using these examples of other countries like Taiwan are just a deflection and distraction from the many shortcomings of how we live in and govern our own country – – maybe if we had managed Covid like they did in Taiwan from the outset then we wouldn’t be in the mess at all with dragged out lock downs and restrictions creating additional problems because we are so poor at managing – how about we look for best practice from other cities like Berlin Amsterdam or Sydney or Stockholm – i have lived over the years outside of covid and see much more sophisticated street cleaning , pressure washers , dog bin collectors , late nite portable street toilets – much more plentiful rubbish collection – it isn’t rocket science – if we hold a concert in iveagh gardens we insist promoters provide crowd security rubbish collection and facilities management appropriate for the crowds – it should be no different for these months when we are telling people to socialise outdoors but the ‘councils’ still stuck in the 1970s and the Garda tasked with impossible contradictory rules to try ‘enforce’ – can we grow up a bit and stop being ‘shocked’ as crowds gathering and getting drunk outdoors – the failures of how this is all being managed lands squarely at the ‘authorities’ who are creating confusing rules ( not fully opening the licensed regulated premises ahead of this bank holiday weekend and leaving it til the monday and then being ‘shocked’ is another example of how idiotic the ‘authorities’ /decision makers are in ireland – just wait for the inevitable outrage again this weekend. Wouldn’t happen in Taiwan indeed.

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    May 31st 2021, 6:53 PM

    No point in killing off your grandparents or parents if you cherish them!

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    May 31st 2021, 6:59 PM

    @Cosmological: most are vaccinated. It’s time to get back out now n start living again

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    May 31st 2021, 7:00 PM

    @Cosmological: to be fair that was more due to Simon than Jim.

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    May 31st 2021, 8:43 PM

    This is actually terrible journalism. So you have the Tanaiste, Minister for Housing and 4 government backbenchers commenting on the same subject and not one opposition voice!

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    May 31st 2021, 10:43 PM

    The fact those in charge have been living in covid cuckoo land for so long and didn’t this would happen is more laughable than anything. We have been preparing people for months by saying once we get x amount vaccinated things will ease and u can meet up outdoors. Of course nobody means it should be a street party and litter is bad, but come on lads, stop listening to Tony and his NPHET gang thinking their little covid bubble reality is what the whole country is living in cos its not. And let’s be honest how the hell are we gonna cope with our own people out and about and maybe tourists when they roll in July, is Tony gonna give out if he sees a gang of tourists together having pints and his followers demand these people be kicked out cos we are boarding on deluded now…

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    May 31st 2021, 9:08 PM

    Town in Poland with 60000 people. Bin every 20 mtrs albeit small bins.Emptied everyday. Very little rubbish if any on the roads and forests.

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    May 31st 2021, 9:23 PM

    @O’Brien: No every 20 meters but I agree plenty of bins and public toilets. One more thing to add plenty of benches you can see and relax.

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    May 31st 2021, 7:55 PM

    When was the big fire at Garda HQ that left only embers of the gardai?

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    May 31st 2021, 9:14 PM

    Ban life. Overrated.

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    May 31st 2021, 9:50 PM

    Do hotels or Fáilte Ireland inform tourist’s about Dublin city council’s litter policy? How many tourist bring waste bin bags to our public parks? I have never seen one.

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    May 31st 2021, 8:00 PM

    Genuine question. What if we made bin bags available to people at the entrance to the park(s) or simply distributed bags to groups of people on the street to put their rubbish into ?. I’ve no idea if it would work , but if it doesn’t , then try something else. It gets around the issue of “installing” bins while also potentially giving people a place to put their rubbish ?.

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    May 31st 2021, 11:47 PM

    “Eoghan says that grand canal is fine” guess what? There is a private security firm in place there encouraging people to put rubbish in bags and stopping things getting out of hand.

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    Jun 1st 2021, 5:41 PM

    It’s a lack of connection with what the government says and the local authorities and businesses can do. Government announces these things but the local authorities don’t act to be prepared for it. What else do they expect? For people to apologise for going to a park when it’s perfectly fine to do so apparently? No matter what happens 100% of the population cannot be controlled so there’s always gonna be these ‘major’ headlines. Media has portrayed the youth of this country with a nasty breath over Covid amongst other things. I think they would find there is as much middle aged and elder culprits breaking covid rules if they looked hard enough.

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