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No joint press conference and no breaking of bread: Biden and Putin meet at Geneva summit

Up to five hours of talks are planned, starting at around midday Irish time, with no break for meals.

LAST UPDATE | 16 Jun 2021

US president Joe Biden and Russia’s Vladimir Putin have begun face-to-face talks at a highly anticipated summit in Geneva.

The meeting comes at a time when both leaders agree that relations between their countries are at an all-time low.

The two leaders sat in a book-lined room at the start of their meeting, with both appearing to avoid looking directly at each other during a brief photo opportunity before a scrum of reporters.

Putin said he hoped the talks, expected to last four or five hours, would be “productive”, while Biden told him “it is always better to meet face-to-face”.

The US President appeared to suggest that he could take the Russian leader at his word, nodding his head when asked by a reporter if the Russian leader could be trusted.

The two leaders had shaken hands moments earlier as they posed with Swiss president Guy Parmelin, who welcomed them to Switzerland and the lush lakeside mansion for the summit. For months, they have traded sharp rhetoric.

Putin and Biden meet

Biden has repeatedly called out Putin for malicious cyberattacks by Russian-based hackers on US interests, a disregard for democracy with the jailing of Russia’s foremost opposition leader, and interference in American elections.

Putin, for his part, has reacted with obfuscations – pointing to the 6 January insurrection at the US Capitol to argue that America has no business lecturing on democratic norms and insisting that the Russian government has not been involved in any election interference or cyberattacks despite US intelligence showing otherwise.

Now the pair are meeting for the first time face-to-face as leaders. In advance, both sides set out to lower expectations.

Even so, Biden said it was an important step if the United States and Russia were able to ultimately find “stability and predictability” in their relationship, a seemingly modest goal from the president for dealing with the person he sees as one of America’s fiercest adversaries.

“We should decide where it’s in our mutual interest, in the interest of the world, to co-operate, and see if we can do that,” Biden told reporters earlier this week.

“And the areas where we don’t agree, make it clear what the red lines are.”

Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told The Associated Press today that no breakthroughs were expected and that “the situation is too difficult in Russian/American relations.”

“However, the fact that the two presidents agreed to meet and finally start to speak openly about the problems is already an achievement,” Peskov said several hours before the summit’s start.

Arrangements for the meeting were carefully choreographed and vigorously negotiated by both sides.

Biden first floated the meeting in an April phone call in which he informed Putin that he would be expelling several Russian diplomats and imposing sanctions against dozens of people and companies, part of an effort to hold the Kremlin accountable for interference in last year’s presidential election and the hacking of federal agencies.

Putin and his entourage arrived first at the summit site: Villa La Grange, a grand lakeside mansion set in Geneva’s biggest park. Next came Mr Biden and his team.

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Putin landed in Geneva today shortly before the scheduled start of the meeting; Biden — who was in Europe for a week of meeting with allies — arrived the day before.

The three spent a moment together in front of the cameras, but only Parmelin made remarks.

Biden and Putin were expected to first hold a relatively intimate meeting, joined by US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov. Each side will have a translator.

The meeting will then expand to include five senior aides on each side.

After the meeting concludes, Putin is scheduled to hold a solo news conference, with Biden following suit.

Earlier it was reported that Biden is set to draw “red lines” for President Vladimir Putin at a tense Geneva summit today, where ghosts of the Cold War will hover over modern-day US concerns that Russia has become a rogue, authoritarian state.

The setting – a sumptuous villa overlooking Lake Geneva – may be picturesque, but a gruelling diplomatic face-off awaits.

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Up to five hours of talks are planned, starting at around midday Irish time, with no break for meals.

The choice of Geneva, following long US-Russian negotiations, recalls the Cold War summit between US president Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in the Swiss city in 1985.

This time, tensions are less about strategic nuclear weapons and competing ideologies than what the Biden administration sees as an increasingly hostile, rule-breaking regime.

From cyber attacks on American entities and meddling in the last two US presidential elections, to human rights violations and aggression against Ukraine and other European countries, Washington’s list of allegations against the Kremlin runs long.

Putin, however, comes to the summit arguing that Moscow is simply challenging US hegemony. It’s part of a bid to promote a so-called ‘multi-polar’ world that has seen Russia and arguably even more powerful US adversary China draw close.

Putin is due to fly into Geneva from Moscow right before meeting the US president.

Biden, ending an intensive first foreign trip as president, arrived yesterday after summits with NATO and the European Union in Brussels, and a G7 summit in Britain.

Asked if he was ready for Putin, Biden smiled and said: “I’m always ready.”

Optimism? ‘Not much’ 

In an interview with NBC, Putin scoffed at US accusations of dirty tricks abroad and authoritarian crackdowns at home.

As well as denying any connection to what the United States says are Russia-based hacking and ransomware gangs, Putin rejected having any hand in the deaths of many of his opponents during two decades in power.

Addressing one of the main irritants in relations with Washington and with the European Union, Putin insisted he also could not be blamed for the near-fatal poisoning and subsequent imprisonment of Alexei Navalny, one of the few remaining major opposition figures in Russia.

With reporting by Niall O’Connor, Associated Press and © AFP 2021

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    Mute Fred Jetson
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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:19 PM

    Build private residential apartments. Severe shortage in Docklands area. The last thing Sheriff street needs is social housing.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:26 PM

    @Fred Jetson: Exactly, put the workers close to the work.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:20 PM

    @Fred Jetson: high rise.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 7:42 PM

    @Fred Jetson: and preferrably sell to Irish owners…no offence to the Canadians, American, British, Germans etc who seem to be buying up a lot of property developments.

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    Oct 12th 2017, 6:43 AM

    @Centerro: Yes, how dare they come and contribute to the economy and society…..

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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:24 PM

    Cant afford it . Getting no bonus at xmas because im not in receipt of social welfare payment

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    Oct 11th 2017, 7:08 PM

    @Dave barrett: lies!

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    Oct 11th 2017, 7:57 PM

    @Dave barrett: Picking on the poorest in society makes you feel good?

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    Oct 14th 2017, 10:28 PM

    @Sean Conway: Dont assume it has feelings sean

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    Mute Richard
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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:20 PM

    5.2 acres: Let’s leave 1.7 acres (generous) for grounds, stairwells, lift shafts, wall space, etc – that leaves 3.5 acres, or 14164 square metres. 120sqm (generous in Dublin) per apartment means 118 per floor. 25 floors = nearly 3,000 apartments.

    Why in God’s name are they calling it 400? You’d get 500 decent size apartments on 4 floors!

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    Oct 11th 2017, 5:50 PM

    @Richard: Might need to get the calculator out when the site is split into blocks of apartments to allow enough light in. Then sufficient roadways to allow access for fire brigades. Then factor in the proximity to the overhead train lines.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 6:12 PM

    @Richard: 5 acres is small. All apartments need to have parking storage, during closet. No point in building garbage.

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    Mute Oisín O'Connor
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    Oct 11th 2017, 7:06 PM

    @prop joe: these ones should be exempt from parking except low cost bike parking and gocar station

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    Oct 11th 2017, 9:22 PM

    @Richard: wtf are you on about?

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    Mute MyBrokenKnees
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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:21 PM

    Bubble go boom!

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    Mute Kal Ipers
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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:45 PM

    @MyBrokenKnees: Lack of supply and rising house price is not the same as oversupply and prices rises. No bubble at the moment

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:22 PM

    @Kal Ipers: The population of Dublin has only gone up a couple of percent in the last 15 years – why is there a lack of supply?!

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:58 PM

    @Richard: Because the age profile of the population changed. A 10 year old doesn’t need a property but a 25 year old does. I also don’t believe it has gone up by only 2%. It will be 5 years before we meet current demands but won’t meet the demand that will exist in 5 years

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:59 PM

    @Richard: the population has grown by 25 percent over the last 15 years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Dublin_Area

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    Oct 11th 2017, 5:07 PM

    @Antoin O Lachtnain: Just about to point that out too

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    Mute Gareth Cooney
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    Oct 11th 2017, 5:46 PM

    @Richard: because the banks and NAMA put developers into receivership about 8-9 years ago. No developer no supply simple as.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 8:35 PM

    @Antoin O Lachtnain: Greater Dublin includes Meath, Kildare and Wicklow from the map shown. Those counties aren’t in Dublin which is what the original poster referred to.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:19 PM

    Here we go again.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:21 PM

    @Dáithí Ó Raghallaigh: deja vu

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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:42 PM

    @Dáithí Ó Raghallaigh: would you rather we wouldn’t build? This plot needs big, executive style apartments

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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:56 PM

    @Dáithí Ó Raghallaigh: silly comment

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:10 PM

    Why not put out a tender offer to build for set price, but government retains ownership and sells or rents directly to families/workers.

    Makes more sense than selling for buttons to a developer whole make a mint once completes the build

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:38 PM

    @ginger tomatoes i9:
    Correct me if I’m wrong but the state doesn’t own this site so they would have to buy it first.

    That said your idea about state owned building isn’t a bad idea but not in the city centre where the land is so expensive.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 6:46 PM

    “Makes more sense than selling for buttons to a developer whole make a mint once completes the build”

    Any chance of a job with wherever you are working. If you consider over 5 million an acre buttons.

    In this case I hope whoever buys and develops the land makes an absolute killing. Takes some balls to put that amount of money up front given what happened to housing demand in 08

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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:39 PM

    East road not East street, no?

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:48 PM

    @Dave: yeah, there is no East street in docklands

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    Oct 11th 2017, 3:22 PM

    Seems like a bargain if you ask me

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:14 PM

    How about a casino and world park, with exotic foods from every country?

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    Oct 11th 2017, 8:32 PM

    @alphanautica: and a monorail

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    Mute Colin Morris
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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:21 PM

    Who currently owns it?

    It needs to be subject to a CPO by Dublin City Council.

    Then high rise apartment blocks (thirty floors minimum each) need to be built on this and these can be sold as affordable housing to people working in the IFSC.

    These apartments must not be abandoned to the free market because of the cancerous opportunism of that failed system.

    The housing emergency is too serious to trust the market here.,

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:54 PM

    @Colin Morris: That sounds ghastly. Would you be prepared to live in it? I wouldn’t.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 5:00 PM

    @Neal Ireland Hello.: Yes.

    Most of these apartments would be 1 and 2 bed places – ideal for the people working in the Dockalnds areas. Most would be childless so facilities for children are unneeded.

    3000 flats in high rises would sort out the housing emergency in Dublin.

    That is why the market cannot be trusted with this – they don’t care about the national emergency.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 5:53 PM

    @Colin Morris: the housing problem was caused by Nama so it can be sorted by Nama but not at the expense of the free market.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 6:19 PM

    @Colin Morris: having lived in the area for 7 years 2009-2016 and raised my first child to the age of 2 before moving. I can tell you there are plenty of families there in need of the facilities you claim are not needed.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 6:50 PM

    @Colin Morris: No, let the sites be developed and sold as normal. People working in some of the bigger companies based in the Docklands can well afford to pay a good price for their apartments.

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    Oct 12th 2017, 12:39 AM

    @phil: Yes they can afford a good price. The free market will over charge though.

    The free market is a dismal failure

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    Oct 12th 2017, 12:42 AM

    @Andrew Loughlin:

    Good for you.

    Facilities for children are not hugely important in areas where only a minority of people have them though, I’m sure you’ll agree.

    Parents get too many benefits at the expense of childless people already.

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    Oct 12th 2017, 12:43 AM

    @Gareth Cooney:

    NAMA is a result of the free market.

    The free market is a failed model.

    There is a national housing emergency.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:04 PM

    It fails to mention that this yard backs onto the Irish Rail Freight yard…handy if you like listening to the rumble of freight trains during the middle of the night.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:01 PM

    The celtic tiger is sure back. Who is going to watch the watchers, as we see the price of
    price of property in Ireland beginning to spire once more.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:09 PM

    The article fails to mention that the land backs onto Irish Rails Freight yard where heavy goods trains are shunted day and night..handy if you like the sound of trains rumbling around during the early hours of the night.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 9:19 PM

    @Gerard Kinsella: decent windows block noise

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    Oct 11th 2017, 9:24 PM

    @Fluich Go Craicean: decent Windows?? Lol

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    Oct 11th 2017, 8:05 PM

    5 acres?? What about 100s of acres in the docks that is under state ownership that houses ship containers? High rise units here would ease the Dublin housing crisis.

    Why can’t the state start moving Port operations out of large amount of land that is on the city’s doorstep. Could be used to serve ifsc, social housing. Extend the luas from the point and you have public transport sorted.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 4:51 PM

    a huge LIDl

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    Oct 11th 2017, 9:02 PM

    East Road, East Wall , Dublin 3 , the bottom of Johnny Cullen’s Hill

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    Oct 11th 2017, 6:31 PM

    East road FFS!

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    Oct 11th 2017, 9:44 PM

    Can’t place the site exactly, probably the old L& N site or near too,but it seems to adjoin a quite extensive East Wall residential community, some high rise, some older council type homes, a very long established & integrated community, very Dub. Worked & socialised with them for a generation, I consider myself an envious “expat”, & I hope that lots of them get to live in their own patch.

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    Oct 11th 2017, 5:37 PM

    East Road

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    Oct 15th 2017, 12:47 AM

    Talking to a financial analyst working in London, next recession is due to hit us in 2020, this will be worth €5mill

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