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LAST UPDATE | 30 Jun 2021
CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER Tony Holohan has confirmed to opposition parties that the modelling provided to government did not account for NIAC’s latest vaccine policy change which allows for both the AstraZeneca and Janssen vaccines to be made available for all age groups.
The quicker roll out of vaccines would result in the modelling being less pessimistic, TDs were told.
Politicians at the briefing said such an omission would make a “huge” difference to the scenarios presented to the government.
In addition, it is understood that the Taoiseach categorically told Cabinet that the modelling reflected the changes from NIAC.
Tourism Minister Catherine Martin is understood to have specifically put the question to the Taoiseach at Tuesday’s meeting, where she stressed how important it would be that the modelling reflected the changes.
The Taoiseach is understood to have reassured her and other Cabinet colleagues that the changes were included in the models.
Senior sources have now raised serious concerns about the Cabinet making a decision “based on wrong information”.
At today’s meeting with Opposition TDs, it is understood they were told that National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) would have recommended indoor dining stay closed until the “end of September or beyond” if they did not put forward the vaccine pass proposal.
TDs at the briefing said Holohan is still not in favour of antigen testing or PCR testing being used to gain entrance to indoor dining or indoor activities, despite other EU countries that operate such ‘corona passes’ accepting them.
The CMO “struggled” to explain the rationale as to why unvaccinated young people can work in a pub or restaurant but can’t dine or enjoy a pint indoors, according to sources.
He is also understood to have accepted that NPHET’s modelling could be peer reviewed, however, no details were provided about how this might be done.
It was also put forward to TDs that NPHET believe such a pass system could be put in place for hospitality due to government already having completed work on the new Digital Green Cert for international travel.
In relation to what was said at Cabinet, a government spokesperson said that “as a practice we do not comment on Cabinet discussions, nor are we allowed to.”
However, there was a comprehensive memo by the Taoiseach’s department and a copy of the CMO’s letter to the Health Minister was circulated to each member of Cabinet. The memo and the letter was the basis for the decision.
With blame being shifted between parties as to who should have mentioned or asked about whether the latest vaccine advice was included in the modelling, it is understood that Page five of the CMO’s letter itself states:
“The vaccination programme is included in the model according to the latest available estimates of vaccine supply and administration, and published estimates of vaccine effectiveness in preventing infection and severe disease.”
It’s also understood that NPHET made a full presentation to the full Covid sub-committee on Monday night, where eight cabinet members were present. The presentation took place after news had broken that NIAC advice had changed.
Dáil
Speaking in the Dáil today, the Taoiseach said other measures such as antigen testing and ventilation will be looked at by government in a bid to get indoor hospitality reopened.
Speaking during Leaders’ Questions, Micheál Martin said the threshold set by NPHET for the hospitality sector is “a very high one”.
NPHET has recommended that only vaccinated people should be allowed to dine indoors or enjoy any indoor activity.
The Taoiseach agreed with members of the Opposition today, telling the Dáil “we do have to look at other measures in terms of hospitality including testing and ventilation”.
Ireland is one of the only countries in Europe without indoor dining. In countries that do have a pass system in place for hospitality, vaccination is not the only entry requirement.
A negative Covid test (such as an antigen test), proof of vaccination or past infection are the three measures used in such countries.
Government has accepted a report that recommends its rollout in businesses, schools and by the public.
Those in government circles have said that protection measures, such as antigen testing, work in other countries, saying “being prescriptive is these situations does not work in the real world”.
A second source said including antigen testing being one of the ways people can enter into a pub or restaurant would not go down well with Holohan, but that government can deviate from NPHET advice.
They pointed out that government is deviating from NPHET advice when it comes to international travel and it can do so again on antigen testing.
Restaurants discussion
The Taoiseach, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar and Ministers Catherine Martin and Stephen Donnelly today met with members of the hospitality sector to discuss the proposals.
The Restaurants Association of Ireland said there was a “full and frank discussion” at the hospitality forum this afternoon.
“The anger and frustration of the sector at no plan and no date was communicated. A working group has now been established and will begin work on a plan to get restaurants, cafes and gastropubs open for indoor dining as soon as possible.
“The Restaurants Association of Ireland will engage with the Working Group on a plan to get indoor dining reopened and to save the remainder of the summer for restaurants, cafes and gastropubs.
“A fair and workable solution needs to be devised to ensure that there is a final plan announced for reopening restaurants, cafes and gastropubs on 19th July,” said the RAI.
A government spokesperson said ministers reiterated the urgency of the situation and their intention to use the next three weeks to develop a pathway forward.
They highlighted three things which would be done over this period, which include the acceleration of the vaccine programme, administering vaccines such as Janssen and AstraZeneca to all age groups that want it, as well as carefully scrutinising the progression of the Delta variant, here and elsewhere.
The spokesperson said an implementation plan would be ready by 19 July.
Unvaccinated population
Speaking in the Dáil today, the Taoiseach said Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon warned him that the Delta variant will “rip through an unvaccinated population”.
Similar to Ireland, scientists have given stark warnings to Scotland in relation to the variant.
However, yesterday, Scotland’s Health Secretary Humza Yousaf said no further restrictions are planned despite the surge in Covid cases.
Yousaf told the BBC he did not believe cases would reach 100,000 per week – a prediction modelled by scientists in a worst-case scenario. Scottish government scientists believe the 100,000 cases per week figure could be reached by mid-July.
The Taoiseach said today that the government would be monitoring what happens in other jurisdictions, such as Scotland.
He said his only aim is to “protect people not to divide them”.
Martin added that he knows how difficult the pandemic has been for young people, in particular, but said it was the “right thing” to do to pause and delay in light of NPHET’s advice.
The Taoiseach was criticised by Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald today, who said she had seen chaos within government over the last year, but yesterday “was a new peak”.
She accused him of marching the hospitality sector to the top of the hill, only to march them back down again.
McDonald said zero consideration had been given to young people.
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How bout longer sentences for the people committing the crimes and then in turn there will be less people needing to hide behind the screens
@Dlow Brown: careful, the liberal left brigade and their allies the Irish Council for Civil Liberties will have you shut down for hate speech!
@Damien Mooney: your an idiot the vast majority of people want longer sentences regardless of political leanings
@Kevin Finnegan: can please elect some of this vast majority so that they reflect they opinions of the vast majority.
@Dave Doyle: Judges aren’t elected.
@Lisa Saputo: the elected officials make laws….those laws can include mandatory minimum sentences or whatever the law makers set as the law. The law makers need to be tougher…IMHO. Then the judges will not be able to squirm out. We could very easily have a 3 strikes out law
@Dave Doyle: @Dave Doyle: well said. The ‘vast majority’ are happy to peddle faux outrage. Signing the latest petition on change.org to have Martin Nolan fired while banging furiously into their keyboards such inane comments as “there are no words”
“Should rot in hell”
“Suspended sentence a joke”
“Down with this sort of thing”
“Have they no homes to go to”
@Kevin Finnegan: ah right, so this elusive bunch of people known as ‘the majority of people’ elected you as their spokesman? What are you and your merry band of followers doing about lenient sentences then, apart from writing asinine, meaningless sentences into the journal.ie ? How many letters have you sent to the dept of justice and law reform, and the DPP herself, asking that lenient sentences be reviewed? Perhaps we could meet up and pursue a strategy, I’ve sent several so far this year with a few more ready to go.
Or are you happy to peddle your faux outrage on Facebook in the faint hope that Ms Loftus will log into the journal.ie and read your comments and discover the horror of Martin Nolan’s work?
@Damien Mooney: haha I’ve never met or talked to anybody who was like you know what our criminal justice system really does the job well why should people get long sentences sure just give them a slap on the wrist and it’ll be grand! And as to what I do about it I try my best to be informed and vote for someone who shares my belief that there needs to be serious reform. It’s gas that you started going of on all that when my original comment was about you basically saying only people on the right care about stuff like this
@Damien Mooney: haha faux outrage you know f&ck all about me but sure believe whatever you want and just smear people on the left to make yourself feel good
About time this has been the norm in the UK for years
@Sonya Couch Dillon: VERY TRUE, & also in fact, ( to save some extra, IMO, monies on the transport of Criminals, as they are mostly brought to & from the Courts by private securicor type firms ) Judges & Govenors can order a video-link from the prison to the Court, & that goes from your Tax evader to the more Heinous Murderer type crimes & Screens & video-link testimonies have been in use in the UK for some time now, although there is some speculation that the “evidence” may not be as pure as an actual person in the Courtroom as opposed to a “link”.https://www.eyenetwork.com/judicial/court-video-link/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwxtPYBRD6ARIsAKs1XJ5wX0SUMQncL-BPsfdJr4WF7O-F_chW3TUUB9Y0sWu05GVoEJE1GcYaAvHVEALw_wcB
@Michael Kelly: Video link in operation here too, but our system is slightly different. A prisoner has a right to be present . As for the private security companies , too easily infiltrated by crime gangs.
@Michael Kelly: Careful there, You’re interfering with the super incomes of the legal profession!
Now get wrid of the stupid “reducing”of sentences and let them serve a full sentence. Also lock up repeat offenders for robbery, serious assault or any repeated crimes.
@Mick12:
The reduction in the sentence on foot of a plea of guilty is pragmatism on the part of judges to reduce the waiting list of cases. The reduction is relatively small and criminals convicted of serious sexual offences are listed on the sex offenders register so that there are legal grounds for monitoring them closely after they have served their sentences.
@Mick12: Will never happen here. Sure would’nt it be an injustice not to fill the pockets of the poor auld Ambulance chasers.
Long over due ,glad to see some one is listening .
More prisons please and longer sentences. That is what people want. Imagine the money saved from criminals not being able to father children, save on children’s allowance, save on future criminals ever being born, save on council housing, save on dole money for future offspring etc etc.
Indeed , aren’t we all behind a screen giving evidence in some way
@Noel Walsh: deep
@Noel Walsh: give it a rest noel
@Noel Walsh: Did you forget to switch accounts before replying to yourself?
@Free comment ratings: Ha ! He’s got you there Noel !
This is all about gradually changing the rules of evidence in order to tip the balance against the accused (who in any just society must be presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court of law). What it will lead to is the thwarting of justice, where more innocent men, who have been maliciously (falsely) accused of rape or sexual assault, will be convicted and their lives destroyed. It is the holy grail of feminazis and the large misandrist element within the media, and certain political organisations, to prevent the full and fair cross-examination of complainants in court (such cross-examination being necessary in order to get to the truth and a just outcome in such cases). It is all part of the downgrading of evidence and examination.
Where man-haters want to get to is the point where all requirements for evidence and examination are dispensed with, and a potentially innocent man’s life can be destroyed in law simply by the word of a woman, even if she is not telling the truth.
I agree entirely with the contents of the ministerial order (and a new sentencing guideline) however the aspect preventing cross examination (as reported above) is incompatible with Art 38.1 and the established dicta in [In Re Haughey, 1IR1, 1971] and European conventions. It wouldn’t surprise me if there was a challenge to that section of the order alone. Imagine acting for yourself and, in your own defense you weren’t allowed ask certain questions or challenge the prosecution evidence or put your own case forward in rebuttal. Just doesn’t seem right.
Even the headline in this media article is deliberately misleading. Complainants during such cases are not “victims”, as in the middle of a trial (particularly trials involving alleged sexual offences) it has not yet been proven that a crime has been committed, nor that the accused has done it. One only becomes a “victim” if it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt in court that a crime has been committed, and that the accused is guilty.
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