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Leah Farrell

'There is a short window to get this done': Talks on the reopening of indoor dining set to resume today

Cabinet will meet on Tuesday to discuss the final proposals.

TALKS ARE SET to resume this afternoon between government and representatives from the hospitality sector as part of efforts to bring about the return of indoor dining.

A number of options are said to be on the table following a similar meeting on Monday, when those attending were told that indoor dining could possibly reopen for 1.8 million fully vaccinated people under a new vaccine pass system.

Government sources state this is just one option out of six possible scenarios under consideration.

Today’s meeting is expected to examine each of those options, how they would be implemented, and who would be responsible for enforcing them.

A source told The Journal that the proposed re-opening is “still a work in progress”, but that it is likely to be in line with advice from the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET), which says indoor hospitality should return for fully vaccinated people only.

However, the same source said there was a possibility that antigen testing could be used at a later point.

Ireland is currently the only country in Europe where indoor dining is not open.

Indoor dining and drinking had been set to recommence in pubs and restaurants this week. However, Taoiseach Micheál Martin last week confirmed this would be delayed due to concerns over the Delta variant.

Cabinet is set to meet again next Tuesday, 13 July, to discuss the final proposals arising from today’s meeting.

Speaking yesterday, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar said he could not say for certain that Ireland will be able to implement any proposals that are discussed at today’s meeting on 19 July.

“We are working on a number of options at the moment and we would hope to bring proposals to Cabinet next week,” he said.

‘Short window’

Speaking to The Journal ahead of today’s meeting, Adrian Cummins of the Restaurants Association of Ireland (RAI) said the majority of the group’s members want to reopen indoors, but that NPHET remain “the kingmakers” on any decision that would allow this.

He also said approximately 20% of the group’s members want to hold off on a return to indoor dining, and reopen instead when everyone can do so.

“You’re never going to get 100%… but that’s well in a minority, the rest want to open,” said Cummins. 

The meeting today will be “critical”, he said, adding that there is a “short window to get this done and dusted”.

“There’s really only one option on the table to get us open immediately, or NPHET won’t allow us to reopen, as NPHET won’t sign off on it. They’re the kingmakers in all of this,” he said.

He also claimed that the vaccine pass system “is not perfect”, but that it will enable around two million people in the country to eat indoors.

Cummins said that one question that will be asked today is whether the system is legal and not discriminatory, and if the Attorney General has signed off on it.

With the number of people who vaccinated going up each week and some predictions that mass immunity against Covid-19 could be reached by the early autumn, it has also been suggested that the vaccine pass system could be done away with then.

Antigen testing

But concerns have been raised within the hospitality industry that pubs and restaurants could be asked to self-regulate the reopening of indoor dining sing the vaccine pass system.

There is said to be apprehension about the possibility that pubs and restaurants could only allow bookings for those with a vaccination certificate, with some smaller rural businesses saying they would not have the capacity to implement such a system.

The use of antigen testing will also be discussed today, as there have been calls for Ireland to follow a number of other countries in allowing rapid testing to facilitate the return of indoor dining.

It is believed this would avoid a situation that prevents those who are not fully vaccinated from going indoors, which would happen under the current NPHET proposals. 

This week, the government announced that Professor Mary Horgan will carry out a report into the expansion of antigen testing into areas, including the hospitality sector.

While many in government are anxious to see indoor dining return as soon as possible, concerns have been raised about NPHET’s recommendations, and the disparity that they could create.

In practice, NPHET’s proposals would prevent those who are still awaiting on their second dose of a vaccine, including those in older age cohorts, from dining or drinking inside.

When asked about the prospect of testing being used to allow the industry to return, Varadkar confirmed the measure was under consideration. But he highlighted that there could still be problems if rapid testing was introduced.

“I should be frank and say there are difficulties with it, we wouldn’t have the capacity to carry out tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands PCR tests for people to go to a restaurant or a pub, we just don’t have that capacity in the system,” the Tánaiste said.

Yesterday, the Rural Independent Group argued that the government’s plan for a vaccine pass would discriminate against un-vaccinated people.

The group claimed forcing un-vaccinated people to dine and drink outdoors would be an unconstitutional restriction of a person’s right to bodily integrity and personal freedom under the Constitution.

TD Mattie McGrath said such a system “makes no logical sense” and is “an infringement of human rights”.

He said it will “pigeonhole a selective group of individuals and grant those people greater freedoms and liberties than unvaccinated ones”.

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    Mar 24th 2017, 10:59 PM

    These people are known to authorities yet they still roam free? Should all known potential terrorists and their families and friends just be rounded up and deported? It would free up plenty of social housing and save tax payers money.

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    Mar 24th 2017, 11:01 PM

    Deported where? He was British.

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    Mar 24th 2017, 11:11 PM

    @Ted Logan: he wasn’t British

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    Mar 24th 2017, 11:12 PM

    @KingBen: are you aware of what it costs the taxpayer to monitor even one person? It’s completely unfeasible for them to keep all potential terrorists under surveillance.

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    Mar 24th 2017, 11:15 PM

    @KingBen: A person born Adrian Elms (or Russell or some variation thereon) born in the County of Kent in England. To where are you proposing to deport “these people”? I don’t think the Australians are still accepting convict ships. Have you a proposal to make or is that just ignorant and uninformed prejudice?

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    Mar 24th 2017, 11:45 PM

    @Ted Logan: Germany are about to deport two German born men to their parents place of birth, Algeria and Nigeria!

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    Mar 25th 2017, 5:08 AM

    @Ted Logan:.. if these people are extreme threat to ireland or any other country in Europe i don’t care where they send too or what happens to them their. all i care about is the safety of my family and friends and ireland and Europe which is paramount ..

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    Mar 25th 2017, 7:32 AM

    @Terry McClatchey: deport him to whichever country to which he identifies himself with, maybe Morocco for example? I don’t care really but one thing is for sure he didn’t add any value to the lives of British people so why keep his like there? That OK with you and your lefty liberal feminist views?

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    Mar 25th 2017, 8:23 AM

    @Ted Logan: His nationality is British according to reports but you have to love a country, respect it’s heritage and customs and most importantly you have no need to kill your fellow country men before you can claim the right to quote your nationality. Until you have looked into the eyes of a lone wolf, you will not see hatred based on twisted hatred. A lone wolf has no religious believes not alone on a bizarre ancient and dangerous cult.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 9:59 AM

    @Ted Logan: of dual nationality Germany are sending back two German born citizens to Algeria where their parents come from . This is the measures that is forced on us by these terrorists

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    Mar 24th 2017, 11:40 PM

    I’ll never understand how some people bite the hand that feeds them. Reminds me of the frog and the scorpion….. It’s in their nature.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 12:10 AM

    @Alan Kennedy: Or maybe he is being told that everyone around him is a bigot and racist by people looking to influence individuals such as this terrorist into action.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 12:21 AM

    @James Guinan: I always had a sense of right and wrong.Are you making excuses for this man full of evil and hatred?

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    Mar 25th 2017, 10:17 AM

    @James Guinan: If the think as you suggest there are perfect alternatives to migrate to such awful countries, find one that shares your twisted religious beliefs if you will let you in. Not trusting a religion who hates you because you don’t share their view is NOT racist, it is an understanding what Sharia law wants to do with unbelievers when the time (and the population) is in your favour. If you have children have a good look at sharia and an examine of The Q book and learn what your bleeding heart is trying to achieve. If I don’t want child brides (low as 8), if I cannot stand the idea of girls being have their genitals multilayer or when they grow up to be beaten if they disobey their husbands then that sees me as a bigot in your mind but that won’t allow me to give an inch to sharia.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 10:19 AM

    @Alan Kennedy: How is suggesting that individuals might be giving him a reason to kill others justifying his action? What a stupid assertion.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 10:22 AM

    @Jho Harris: What are you on about with migration? I am refering to our medias in the west constantly on about how awful the west is and all the islamaphobia they claim we constantly produce. On top of islamist preachers advocating for action in name of their horrible religion. How can you not understand such a simple comment?

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    Mar 25th 2017, 10:25 AM

    @James Guinan: Badly worded original comment James.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 10:27 AM

    @Alan Kennedy: How so? On review of it, it says exactly what I intended to say as concisely as possible. Maybe don’t assume everyone is an Islamist apologising progressive.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 11:51 AM

    @James Guinan: there can be little doubt that the flames of anger are stoked by others, possibly those that converted him.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 12:01 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: I agree and I would speculate that it is not merely just stoking of those who converted him, but also an environment which lead him to be converted, in regards to the main stream media perpetuating false notions of rampant hatred, racism and various phobias. Not to mention how evil we are and complicite in the actions of the military and political figure ideolouges.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 11:02 PM

    @James Guinan: the flames are also stoked by those that actually do wonder about their daily lives threatening anyone that looks foreign. Remember the post Brexit postcards that people got in their letterboxes?

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    Mar 25th 2017, 12:19 AM

    Another unstable person has been manipulated by the isis internet cult and has committed multiple murders using mundanely legal weapons. The usual purpose of these type of attacks is to scare the general population into hating a minority and thereby force vulnerable members of that minority already on the fringes of society into the recruitment of the terrorists. London will keep a stiff upper lip, ignore the minuscule minority of terrorists and get on with things, and so should the rest of us.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 6:45 AM

    Wishy washy words

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    Mar 25th 2017, 10:48 AM

    @George Roche:
    Great insight there george, thanks for adding to the debate

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    Mar 25th 2017, 12:17 AM

    We should be reading about the victims not inadvertently glorifying this fcuk wit!

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    Mar 24th 2017, 11:03 PM

    Looks like the Californian three strikes and you’re out has unforseen benefits.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 6:56 AM

    At least one of them in Ireland is being deported

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    Mar 25th 2017, 11:00 AM

    @lez ferguson: the man’s British. There’s nowhere to deport him to.

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    Mar 25th 2017, 11:04 AM

    @lez ferguson: I’ll believe it when it happens.

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