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Denying adopted people access to their birth certs 'could re-traumatise them'

Survivors of Mother and Baby Homes have said “the right to truth is key”, an Oireachtas Committee heard today.

DENYING ADOPTED PEOPLE and survivors of Mother and Baby Homes, particularly older survivors, access to their birth certificates and other personal information could re-traumatise them, the Oireachtas Children’s Committee has heard.

Sinéad Gibney, Chief Commissioner of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (IHREC), today told the committee that survivors have told her “the right to truth is key”.

“Free and unfettered access to their own personal information and records is essential for survivors. To deny this could initself be re-traumatising, particularly for older survivors, and so the burden on you as legislators to shape this pivotal law effectively is a heavy one,” Gibney said.

The Joint Committee on Children, Disability, Equality, Integration and Youth is today continuing its pre-legislative scrutiny of the General Scheme of the Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2021.

Children’s Minister Roderic O’Gorman has described the legislation as “groundbreaking”.

The purpose of the Bill is to enshrine into law a right to access birth certificates, birth and early life information for people who have questions in relation to their origins, and also all people who were adopted, boarded out, the subject of an illegal birth and others with questions in relation to their identity.

The legislation also proposes the establishment of a comprehensive Tracing Service and a statutory Contact Preference Register to support people wishing to make contact or share information.

The Bill will undergo pre-legislative scrutiny in the coming months before an Oireachtas vote.

Speaking to TDs and senators today, Gibney said the State’s approach should “recognise that while this legislation must vindicate rights to truth denied to so many for so long, there is a corollary that there are birth mothers who have been living under a cloud, as inquiries, debates and now legislation happens, fearful that undisclosed information would be revealed”.

She added: “So it is important to be mindful of all.”

Gibney stated that the provision of birth certs or early life information “is by definition the vindication of the right to identity, personality and the right to private and family life for adopted people”.

“People seeking access to the records at the centre of this bill have already suffered delays, often of many years, and so this legislation should mark a sea-change in approach.”

She said the IHREC recommends that statutory timeframes for compliance with information requests should be set out.

Gibney said the proposed requirement for an information session with the person seeking information where there is a no-contact preference from the parent “appears to cater to the privacy rights of natural parents”.

“However, it’s questionable the extent to which this requirement achieves this aim, as the information will ultimately be provided and the theoretical contact will be possible once the information session is held.

“We believe that this requirement would present a further obstacle to affected persons in accessing long-sought information, and where the relevant person does not want to undergo an information session it represents a complete barrier.”

The IHREC is recommending that this requirement be removed from the legislation. Or if retained, it should be “transformed into no-obligation counselling, support and information services, tailored to the needs and wishes of the individual”.

GDPR

Speaking earlier today, Dale Sunderland, Deputy Commissioner at the Data Protection Commission (DPC), noted that “the broad intention” of the draft legislation is to provide so-called “relevant persons” aged 16 or over with access to a range of records and information including their birth certificate, early life information, care information, and medical information.

Sunderland noted that in 1998 the Irish Supreme Court ruled that neither a person’s right to know about your origins or a person’s right to privacy, both constitutional rights, were absolute and that “each might be constrained by the weight of the other, as well as the weight of the common good”.

“This has resulted in a position where agencies in Ireland tasked with providing access to birth and early life information of adopted persons have had to do their best case-by-case to balance the competing rights in the cases on-hand,” Sunderland said.

He said the DPC wants the Oireachtas to clearly articulate that the proposed policy position to be adopted in favour of providing birth certificates to relevant people over 16 “without any process allowing for objection – for example, on grounds that it would seriously harm them – by a birth parent”.

“Given that the previous iteration of this Bill outlined such a process, it is important that there is clarity around the policy change and why the balancing of rights in these sensitive situations is now deemed to have changed in favour of an absolute right to identity data.

“To be clear, the DPC does not advocate for either position – rather we simply point out that data protection and privacy issues arise and the State must be able to articulate how it has come to the policy position and what considerations underpin the balancing of rights presented in the Bill.”

In terms of balancing rights, Sunderland noted that Article 15 of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) – the right of access to personal data – is “not absolute”.

“Article 15.4 states that the right to obtain a copy of personal data shall not adversely affect the rights and freedoms of others. This underlines the need for the Oireachtas to be clear in the context of the Bill as to how the rights and freedoms of the birth mother are not adversely affected to the extent they would restrict the right of access.”

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    Mute James Wallace
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    Aug 2nd 2019, 6:06 PM

    ‘Did you do the Liffet swim, son?’
    ‘Yes Ma, I came turd’

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    Mute Johnny Conway
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    Aug 2nd 2019, 5:15 PM

    Lets hear the government spin on this latest fiasco.
    One floating turd floating in the liffey is one roo many

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    Mute Darren Byrne
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    Aug 2nd 2019, 5:23 PM

    @Johnny Conway: I don’t think any of our TD’s plan on participating.

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    Mute Dave Thomas
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    Aug 2nd 2019, 5:29 PM

    @Darren Byrne: just as well. There’s enough turds in there already.

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 7:57 PM

    @Darren Byrne: magnificent

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    Mute Colette Kearns
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    Aug 2nd 2019, 5:29 PM

    Could we just stick with DCC fixing this problem please, as we’re all aware of the dire disaster of a billing company called Irish Water & they really don’t need to interfere in any way!

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    Mute Tim Pot
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    Aug 2nd 2019, 8:22 PM

    @Colette Kearns:

    And if the problem also lies with the other 2 councils that also share the liffey?

    Maybe one unified authority is a good idea!

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 6:06 PM

    Slovenia ( also a member of these United States of Europe) have written in their constitution the following..
    Every citizen has a right to clean water

    All water and infrastructure shall be a public good managed by the stste

    As a priority and in a sustainable manner, water resources shall be used to supply the population with drinking water and water for household use and in this respect will never be a market commodity.

    The supply of the population with drinking water and water for household use shall be ensured by the state directly through self governing local communities and on a not for profit bases.

    Slovenia per capita uses approx 73 litres of water per day more than irish people

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 11:29 PM

    @Thomas Maher: I think this is a great idea. But Slovenia also have water charges.

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 5:40 PM

    Wouldn’t even dip my toes in it….

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 5:27 PM

    I drove past the 3 Arena at low tide this morning and there was a serious stink from the river that I have never noticed before…

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 6:02 PM

    @John Carolan: really bad smell of hot shite around O’Connell and Parnell. Something bad in those drains

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 6:10 PM

    @K: yes, it was hot Shite…50% more potent than BOG standard shite…

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 6:30 PM

    @K: Noticed that as well! Reminded me of Mumbai when I was there. Rotten

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 5:28 PM

    Just keep your head lifted above the pollution, like what was suggested in the recent air quality report…

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 7:26 PM

    Has much changed since Paul Brady sang
    ‘ Summer in Dublin’

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 7:37 PM

    @Padraic O Sullivan: Except he never sang Summer in Dublin. Bagatelle did

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 8:01 PM

    It would be cleaner to jump into a jacks

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    Mute Life is short enjoy it
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    Aug 2nd 2019, 6:30 PM

    Strange to think once this was used to make whiskey.

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 6:35 PM

    @Life is short enjoy it: and Guinness

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 6:48 PM

    @5hbeZh0I: Yes how could I forget.

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 10:46 PM

    @5hbeZh0I: I don’t think so. There’s a story about DCC trying to use the mountain spring belonging to Guinness’s and Arthur Guinness and relays of staff defending it by holding them off with shotguns until they gave up trying to take it by force.

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 7:35 PM

    Full of sewage, shame on iw.

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    Aug 3rd 2019, 5:44 AM

    @@mdmak33:

    I thought it was dcc doing all the work? :)

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    Mute Michael Curran
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    Aug 2nd 2019, 9:21 PM

    We shouldn’t be flippant about such a serious issue.
    Not so long ago we ridiculed European countries about the quality of their tap water.
    We should hold our government accountable, there should be consequences.
    Why the event is not cancelled it beyond me

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 10:59 PM

    @Michael Curran:
    Maybe southern European…
    I remember how, on my first visit to Ireland, I was told I couldn’t drink from any of the taps in the house except the one on the kitchen. Took my a long time to figure out the backwards outdated plumbing in most Irish homes.
    Don’t have that in the rest of Europe…

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    Aug 4th 2019, 8:48 AM

    @Michael Curran:
    Cancelling the event would attract more publicity, the thinking is – just get it over with and God is good for next year.
    Pollution levels in rivers, beaches, and harbours that would not be tolerated in any other European country – mired in our own filth. The end result will be ” Your gonna need a bigger Childrens Hospital

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 6:40 PM

    Let’s build a treatment many on the site of the Dail. There is enough p1ssing against the wind there and they talk enough crap

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 7:46 PM

    I remember that summer in Dublin and the liffey it stank like hell., nothing changed with the liffey since this song recorded in 1980. Prevention better than the cure. All have been warned regarding quality so ground yourselves for another time.

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 7:05 PM

    Just proves Dublin full of sh*t

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 7:33 PM

    @Kevin50: coming from Cork lol

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    Aug 3rd 2019, 12:16 AM

    @Kevin50: River Lee is worse, guaranteed and tested

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 10:31 PM

    You’d get twenty different diseases if you swam in it!

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    Aug 3rd 2019, 2:46 AM

    Surprised Irish Water didn’t call the swimmers ‘customers’ if they were called to comment.

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    Aug 4th 2019, 8:49 AM

    @Paul Cunningham: spot on.

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    Aug 3rd 2019, 8:51 PM

    Its not bottle water they are in

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 10:50 PM

    Good luck to any swimmers, bring a change of clothes. Anyone I know who did the Raft Race would throw theirs out afterwards.

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    Aug 3rd 2019, 9:04 AM

    Shut up Darrell you Jealous fool and get your facts straight. Don’t know where your getting your information from Rachel lee is going off at 18 minutes.This lady does not need to compete in events that are “fixed” which the Liffey definitely not. Rachel lee will go into the water 18 minutes after the first swimmer starts as this is a handicap race. She is that good. To imply that a nation institution like the Liffey is fixed is so wrong. Ordinary swimmers race against Olympians and international and have the chance to win in this amazing event. It’s been going on for 100 years and your the first Iv heard to call it fixed. What is it my mother said “ it’s better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool then to open it and remove all doubt “. Good luck to all today. See you there

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    Aug 3rd 2019, 7:52 PM

    @Eddie Duffy: I was “fraped” in pub last night, we were talking about the Liffey swim, I don’t even know the girl. Trying to get the comment deleted.

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    Aug 3rd 2019, 9:14 PM

    @Darrell Pickford Monks: well just say nothing so. .. for your information. She didn’t win. Was never going too off 18 mins. But she still swam as hard as she could

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    Aug 3rd 2019, 9:16 PM

    @Darrell Pickford Monks: Don’t even no what fraped is. If you don’t know what your talking about jwell just say nothing .. for your information. She didn’t win. Was never going too off 18 mins. But she still swam as hard as she could .. true athlete.

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 11:13 PM

    Andy dufresne, the man who crawled through 500 yards of shit and came out clean the other end.????

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 7:18 PM

    G8 if your a shit swimmer.

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 7:37 PM

    Oh shite

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    Aug 4th 2019, 2:38 PM

    The amount of know it all eejits on here. You would all wipe your arses with sandpaper if the news told you to. Not one illness reported in twenty years by people swimming the Liffey and the Lee

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 11:11 PM

    Some of these waters are still on sale, the hubby bought some around 8:00 pm!!

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    Aug 3rd 2019, 11:18 AM

    I think it’s time for a Liffey tax said FG.

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