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Quiz: How much do you know about bank holidays?

Settle into the weekend with this quiz.

AHH, ANOTHER LONG weekend is upon us.

Some of us will be putting the feet up, others will have to work.

There are some who are not legally entitled to it, and there are those who will point out that eh, it’s actually called a public holiday in Ireland, not a bank holiday.

Regardless, People Before Profit say we’re being cheated out of some, falling below the EU average, and want three more put in place.

But before that, let’s review what we know about the ones we have already.

Do banks actually go on holidays when it's a bank holiday?
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Yes
No

Some of the staff might, but not the actual building itself.
When were bank holidays first legislated for in UK law (and thus Irish law)?
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1938
1871

1900
1540
How many public holidays do we have in Ireland?
4
8

9
15
Now to make you a little jealous: How many does Spain have?
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10
14

25
Surely not 75?
And Cambodia?
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8? Take that, suckers!
9, at least we're in the same situation.

15, which is the most in the world.
28? You're not going to tell me they get 28 public holidays a year over there, are you?
The date for June bank holiday was set in stone in 1973. Before that, it depended on the date of a moveable Christian feast. What was it called?
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Christmas Day
Whit Monday

St Swithin's Day
St Brigid's Day
Is Good Friday a public holiday?
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Yes
No
Most, but not all, employees are entitled to some form of public holiday benefit. If you don't get the day off, what must you get in lieu of that?
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An additional day of annual leave
An additional day's pay

A paid day off within a month of the public holiday
Any one of the above

A shirt with patterns that are so complicated and intricate it costs at least €1,000
What if you've been absent from work immediately before the public holiday because you went on strike? Are you still entitled to that benefit?
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You are still entitled. Why would Irish employment legislation include a measure that would in some way impact an employee's decision to take part in industrial action?
You are not entitled.
According to Citizens Information, which has an incredibly detailed page on public holidays (and look, I'll be level with you, I'm really leaning into that to come up with questions and answers for this quiz), what is the earliest date that the Easter Monday public holiday could fall?
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1 March
22 March

1 April
22 April
James O'Mara served as both an MP for the Irish Parliamentary Party and a TD for Sinn Féin. What is he better known for?
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He invented the concept of a holiday.
He allowed Catholic holidays to be made public holidays in Ireland.

He was the first Irishman to go on holiday.
He introduced a bill to the House of Commons that made St Patrick's Day a public holiday in Ireland.
Finally, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception - also known by some as Culchie Shopping Day - falls on 8 December. Was it ever a public holiday?
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Yes, that's why so many people used it for shopping
No, it was just a holy day that many people took off
Answer all the questions to see your result!
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You are the June bank holiday weekend
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You are St Stephen's Day
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You are the August bank holiday weekend
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You are Christmas Day
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You are St Patrick's Day
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You are the May bank holiday weekend
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    Mute conor hickey
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:00 PM

    Illegal erection.

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    Mute FairR
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:12 PM

    I guess I’ll stop right here because I’m not topping that one.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:03 PM

    Far more people than that have signed a petition asking Revenue to please review Iona entitlement to tax free charity status. Where’s that news story?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:30 PM

    I hate to see what illegal erection iona have up their sleeves.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:09 PM

    If Carlsberg did murals, they wouldn’t be this one lol.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:32 AM

    Yet again the tail is wagging the dog!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:52 PM

    How about removing the graffiti instead and leave this fabulous art alone

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:59 PM

    This is just a mural with no explicit political message, just an implied one at most, yet there is no issue with people plastering thousands of posters with misleading messages about surrogacy being an issue in this referendum, all over the lampposts in Dublin

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:45 PM

    10,001 now

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    Mute youknowimright
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:34 PM

    Men hug all the time, gay, bi or straight, I don’t get the big deal.

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    Mute Tony Daly
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:42 PM

    Does voting no mean that every child born or to be born will have perfect matching loving and kind mothers and fathers restored to them when the Referendum is passed with housing, education and health needs cared for?

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    Mute ss
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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:51 AM

    No but lgbt activists are above the planning laws. This will henceforth be known as the… leave the gays alone as they are bigger than the law…..mural

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:48 PM

    Love it..it’s absolutely disgraceful that anyone would have a problem with a picture of 2 people embracing each other in a loving way. If it was a boy and girl no one would have any issue.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:57 PM

    That’s because being straight is the norm and no pc crap will ever change that.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:08 PM

    “Being straight is the norm”???? What the f*** does that mean? I’m straight but that is an insult to me..what the f*** is wrong with people and their refusal to accept that gayness exists and isn’t a choice??? Ffs they accept that there’s a god no on sees or hears or has any proof exists yet they have issues accepting a man can love a man or a woman can love a woman??? This is insanity and should be confined to the dark ages where witches were burned at the stake.
    I’m so tired of these morons that think they have a say in other peoples private lives because it makes them uncomfortable or uncertain of their own sexuality or whatever their problem is. Get over it will you. Gay people don’t pose you any problems, they don’t need your approval, they don’t need your input. They just want to be left live their lives as equal as everyone else.
    It’s people like you who prevented women voting, prevented women working, turned a blind eye to the local priests penchants for alter boys, their weird uncles fetishes for kids. You need to revaluate what YOU consider “norm” and maybe keep your unwelcome opinions on other peoples lives to yourself.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:17 PM

    Gave up after the third Line

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:19 PM

    Bo jangles, time ad again you shoot from the hip, straight into your own foot.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:26 PM

    Haha same here brendan. Don’t know where he’s getting all that from?
    Thinkers I’m not sure how I can put this any simpler for you. Heterosexuals make up about 95% of the human beings on the planet. That would make being heterosexual the norm.
    I’m not saying anything bad about gay people. It’s just your silly pc mentality is stopping you from understanding it.
    Here you go… Straight from the Oxford dictionary in case you don’t understand the meaning of the word.
    “Normal……Conforming to a standard; usual, typical, orexpected: it’s quite normal for puppies to bolt their food. Normal working hours”

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:26 PM

    I think you may need to look up “norm” toenail. Bo’s comment is quite correct.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:35 PM

    Don’t be morons, you’re actually using the dictionary definition of normal as your argument???
    What colour hair have you got?? Are any of you ginger and we’ll see who’s normal, how many of you are type AB blood type?? Don’t start that crap!!!
    What’s NOT normal is an irrational dislike of someone you don’t know because of what they do in their personal lives that has no negative affects on anyone or anything and has absolutely no business of anyone but themselves.
    If you’re going to start to try winning arguments using dictionary definitions to support your argument pick an argument with someone else.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:38 PM

    Bo, “being straight is the norm”…for straight people. Just as being an ant is normal for ants. Just because there are more ants than elephants doesn’t mean elephants are any less normal.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:40 PM

    Not being ageist or homophobic but 2 ould blokes bringing up a baby is not the norm.
    Can happen.
    Will happen.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:40 PM

    Thinkers I think it’s safe to say that you’re the irrational one. Reading your comments I picture going bat sh!t crazy shouting at your laptop.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:42 PM

    Bo Jangles, are you looking for a YES vote? Because the amount of vitriol you spew against gay people certainly isn’t normal. I think you’re a double-agent!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:48 PM

    So that’s all you’ve got to reply with..I’m done here..amateur!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:51 PM

    Can already happen. What’s your point and what has it to do with marriage?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:03 PM

    David, at least you have changed your words, the other day you were spouting that gay people would be swiping children from their mothers breasts. Hysterical much?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:04 PM

    You definitely are. All we got out of you was a rant. Ohhhh snap lol

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:08 PM

    Liberté, to be honest I don’t really care what the outcome is. Please explain about the “vitriol”?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:16 PM

    @Bo
    That being gay is not normal.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:26 PM

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with gays but that’s what it is. Get over it.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:32 PM

    @Bo
    I don’t have anything to get over, you’re the one who divides society into what’s normal and what’s not normal. Hitler tried something similar!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:37 PM

    Tinkers toenails if i could give you a 100 green thumbs i would.
    Well said i hope the naysayers will stop and think.
    Some of the stuff they write is hilarious anything to get people to say no. Saw the mural last week its beautiful.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:44 PM

    Brian, it was worse than that, he was saying they would snatch them from their mothers wombs, I dunno.. Maybe they deliver the baby? Typical hyperbole from David. He’s quite the embarrassment to the no side. His comments sound hysterical, which is darkly amusing given the origins of the term..

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:50 PM

    The thing is bo jangles that saying that someone or something is not the norm is not a valid reason for having issues with a mural depicting two men hugging. do you take offence when you see pictures of all people and things that are not the norm? Sunshine isn’t the norm in this country, do you take issue with pictures of that?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:58 PM

    Brendan Julian – you’re clearly a person who reflects before voting

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:01 PM

    Normal is not the same as the usual, common, average Joe soap …. ever hear of the Bell Shaped Curve Bo jangles? There is no such thing as Normal when it comes to human relationships!!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:02 PM

    I think Bo is confusing majority and normality. Of course it’s normal for gay people to be gay – by definition.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:03 PM

    Tinkers Toenail – I was agreeing with you. I’m ginger – Jeez am I not ahem…..normal???

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:04 PM

    Voting is next month. And you dont know my vote do you. This is about the poster. Whatever it means it is illegal. Wish i could do whatever i want. Point

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:21 PM

    Snatching was the word Brian.
    Quite a tame word
    when you take into account that the baby is a situation like that is intentionally bred for sale/aquisition, will never see it’s mother again, and will be forced into a life of being motherless/fatherless.
    How would you put it Brian?
    It seems that all of the “yesers” that I have came across in here have no problem whatsoever with that?
    Mob rule herdthink to say the least.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:50 PM

    In the same way that an old man and woman could bring up a child together. What’s your point?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:13 PM

    Bo Jangles – You’re not normal, you’re common.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:18 PM

    Of course an old man or woman could bring up a child in a default situation (ie if they were the child’s grandparents, and due to unforeseen circumstances the child’s parents were out of the picture).
    However that is no justification to intentionally breed babies to order,
    take them from their mother’s womb/breast/heartbeat,
    and sentence them to a life of being motherless/fatherless.
    It would be foolish at best to suggest that.
    Are there not enough displaced traumatised children in the world?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:35 PM

    Oh look, by asking if there’s not enough “traumatised and displaced” children in the world, David gets to sneakily imply that being raised by homosexuals would be “traumatic”.. Nothing nasty about that at all..

    Notice how he reserves his condemnation of the surrogacy and adoption for homosexuals only.. He has no issue with heterosexuals doing either (and seems to not mention sperm donation).

    He claims children *need* a mother as well as a father, but this is against best available evidence and also incredibly insulting to those who grew up in myriad family situations where parents were either lone or raised with only extended family of the same sex.

    But hey.. Only the ideal in David’s eyes is valid.. But there’s no ill feeling toward gay people in David at all..

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:04 PM

    I have to agree with David. I think it would be pretty traumatic for a child to be raised by gay parents. Can you imagine the embarrassment the child would feel amongst his or her peers ? No child deserves that.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:04 PM

    Stop pretending that I said something else Shanti.

    However now that you bring it up.
    If LGBTs feel that they are un”equal” (as they are implying with their vote yes for “equality” spiel)
    Why do they force vulnerable babies/children to live in those un”equal” traumatic situations?
    Is that not selfish?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:13 PM

    Anyone having a child is selfish. Ultimately they want to continue their line. That’s selfish. It’s selfish when you do it and it’s selfish when anyone else does it. We do it because we want there to be someone to look after us when we are old. Some young blood to keep the tax system going to pay our pensions.
    Don’t give me that crap about gay people being selfish for wanting the same thing that’s hardwired into most of us.

    The fact that they can’t decide to be in a relationship with someone of the opposite sex is the same reason you couldn’t do it. It just doesn’t feel right. Why should only gay people be the martyrs to their inability to procreate?

    And what the hell does any of that have to do with the referendum which is about marriage. Adoption and surrogacy have been dealt with in separate legislation already.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:25 PM

    The horns are erupting and the mask is slipping.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:35 PM

    I know children with gay parents. They are neither embarrassed or traumatised. Have either of the two of you ever actually talked to these kids? I have worked with kids from all backgrounds, the ones with gay parents were far from traumatised.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:48 PM

    What on earth is that supposed to mean David?

    Are you truly telling me that you didn’t have children because you wanted them? And why did you want them? Was it for entirely altruistic reasons? Did they speak to you from within your loins and tell you they wanted to be born and you just had to step up to the task?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 6:22 PM

    “Not being ageist or homophobic but…”
    Proceeds to be ageist and homophobic…….DERRRRPPP!!

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 9:45 PM

    I wonder what the newborn babies that are selfishly snatched from their mother’s wombs/breast/heartbeat would say about this issue?
    If they could only speak?

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    Apr 24th 2015, 1:34 AM

    Well David I suspect the ones that are lgbt would be delighted that they won’t be discriminated against due to their sexuality and the hetrosexual ones will want an equal society as they are babies and they don’t discriminate or judge people because they are not the same as them, they see everyone as equal. So now that we have what the babies will think sorted out, you’ll be voting yes? Thought not..

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:45 PM

    Down with this sort of thing!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:46 PM

    I’m being as sarcastic as possible

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:51 PM

    That’s ok Ted, but don’t tell Bishop Brennan.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:13 PM

    I was unsure how to vote, but now that I see that the NO side are anti-art and anti-intellectual, I have decided to vote YES. The NO side are starting to want to control everything…they’re behaving like a Fascist organisation.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:21 PM

    The no side are anti-art???

    Got any proof for such a sweeping statement?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:42 PM

    Vote no to intentionally forcing new born babies into living a life of being motherless/fatherless.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:48 PM

    It’s a tad bit creepy and Orwellian that mural.
    http://artwarriors.deviantart.com/art/1984-326031058

    Big Brothers are Watching You!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:49 PM

    “Vote no to intentionally forcing new born babies into living a life of being motherless/fatherless”

    Said it before and I’ll say it again: Anyone who believes a NO result will prevent gay couples from adopting or raising kids is going to be very disappointed.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:49 PM

    The Family Relationships Bill has sorted all the family issues out. The Marriage Equality referendum is about what it says on the tin: marriage equality.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:49 PM

    Still spouting that inaccurate line I see…..

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:50 PM

    That was for David Fitz

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:52 PM

    Marriage Equality will ensure that all our children are treated equally! Whether the Referendum passes or not, gay people will still have children – just as they do now. Let’s give those children the same protection as those children born to heterosexual couples.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:54 PM

    David Fitz – all that obsessing about the male member seems to have turned you into one. So motherless and fatherless children, what should we do with orphans and single parent children?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:00 PM

    David, you do know that this referendum has nothing to do with children?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:02 PM

    It’s not art it’s vandalism the “artist” didn’t have permission to deface a listed building.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:12 PM

    C’est quoi l’art?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:55 PM

    Give it a rest Top Cat you big closet homosexual. For someone so homophobic you sure read about a lot of gay issues.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:55 PM

    Eh duh. ….. The owners of the building gave permission

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:01 PM

    If I had my way I’d lob a load yella emulsion all over that ugly yoke

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:06 PM

    Jon there is a referendum in a month, it’s very topical.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:07 PM

    Linda – you are just one of many ugly “yokes” on here deserving of some yellow emulsion. Now bring Finbarr along to defend you!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:08 PM

    I think we should remove all the hideous religious statues that litter our beautiful country.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:14 PM

    No Vincent! Don’t go there, it’s not worth it..

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:17 PM

    Yeah! Mr. & Mrs. Linda, Finbarr Top Cat. The Shamrock Threesome!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:24 PM

    “This referendum has nothing to do with Children”?
    Said by someone who knows nothing about children, by the sounds of things.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:26 PM

    Are all LGBTs non religious?
    Or do they just all allow other people to talk for them?
    I don’t think that these people are good parenting material.
    https://www.google.ie/search?q=gay+parade&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=5QM4Vaq8BMWa7AaC3oCoCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1120&bih=533

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:31 PM

    @David Fitzpatrick Sorry to bust your bubble mate, but there’s loads of kids living fatherless/motherless. Especially fatherless because they don’t know the fathers are or they simply can’t be found.

    Also, there were plenty of kids without parents in the last century housed in institutes which the church was paid a pretty penny to look after and they did was physically, mental and sexual abuse the kids in their care. So don’t come off with the crap about fatherless and motherless kids.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:37 PM

    I know quite a bit about children David and I know that this referendum is not about children and will not make a difference with regard to surrogacy or adoption as they are separate issues. It will however make a big difference to lgbt children if the no side wins, as it it is they are seven times more likely to attempt suicide or have suicidal ideology, telling them that their relationships are not as worthy as hetrosexual ones is not going to help them feel in anyway equal and will give fuel to future bigots. can you not for one minute think about those children and their families and realise the damage you do with the things you say.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:39 PM

    David..
    I take it you haven’t seen the outpourings all over Facebook from people who were raised by single parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, or siblings who are horribly offended by the “mothers and fathers matter” argument?
    You keep pushing this one, you just alienate a lot of people besides yes voters.

    Besides, if you would care to consult the referendum commissions website at http://www.refcom2015.ie/marriage you will see that this referendum does not have any implications for the children and family relationships act because they are separate pieces of legislation, and that your interpretation of the term “family” in the constitution is flawed, because the courts have ruled that no children need be present for the marriage to be deemed “family” as per article 41.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:10 PM

    You keep going on about the shortcomings of heterosexual marriage/reproduction/parenting that has served mankind from it’s very beginning.
    Yet you fully support people intentionally take babies away from their mothers at birth and sentence them to a life of being motherless/fatherless, because a few heterosexuals do it?
    Lame rationalisations there.
    Tell me are all LGBT people who comment on the journal, pro taking babies from their mothers womb/breast/heartbeat and making them eternally motherless/fatherless?

    Surely you don’t have to endorse the actions of all the people who share your sexual orientation?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:15 PM

    David – you make about as much sense as homophobe spelled backwards, which spells ebohpomoh and makes no sense!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:19 PM

    David – you seem to think homosexual people raising children is a fairly new phenomenon. I assure you, it’s not.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:21 PM

    2 ould blokes will never be equal to a child’s parents.
    Regardless of which way you spell it, my friend.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:27 PM

    Maybe so Graham
    Still doesn’t make it right to intentionally acquire babies and force them into a life of being motherless/fatherless.
    Seem’s that the “yesers” want all of the gain with none of the pain.
    How many surrogated babies will be cast aside because of disabilities?
    What’s the “yes” camps attitude to that?
    Seeing as yee all seem to speak for the group.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:29 PM

    David..
    Many children grow up without one or the other, and they, like every other child, grows up with extended family around them. They are not deprived, and your insinuation that the mother and father scenario is all there should be is offensive to them.

    As to surrogacy. The child will live with its father. For all you know, the mother may remain involved. If she doesn’t, it’s no different to her having left or passed away. The child will be just like all those other kids who grew up and appreciated their parents and the job they did in raising them. Even if it wasn’t the heteronormative ideal you insist must be the only one..

    How we come into this world is not nearly as relevant to our being as the journey we undertake in life. You want to insinuate that having gay parents will be a disadvantage, based upon no more that your prejudiced assumption and in direct contradiction of the best available evidence (30 year longitudinal studies).

    And you seek to tie this false notion to a referendum about marriage, which is an entirely separate legislative issue.

    Why don’t you just come out and say that you don’t trust gay people and you don’t like them David? Stop hiding behind this pretence about deprivation (because I don’t see you condemning any heterosexual surrogates) and be straight with your hate.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:33 PM

    None of the pain? Because raising children is painless now?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:36 PM

    Whether they will or not isn’t what we are voting on. whatever way you vote will not effect the rulings that have already been made With regard to adoption. and Surrogacy can and will take place whether there is a yes or no vote. All that voting no will do is add more depression and anxiety to the lives of young lgbt people in Ireland. Tell me David are all no voters unconcerned about depression and suicidal ideology in young gay and bisexual People?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:42 PM

    @ Shanti
    “As to surrogacy. The child will live with its father. For all you know, the mother may remain involved. If she doesn’t, it’s no different to her having left or passed away” ????

    We are not talking about pet puppies here.
    Although even good pet lovers would not inflict on their four legged friends, what you endorse.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:44 PM

    David.
    Contrary to your assertion, some studies in the US have shown that gay couples are more likely to adopt special needs and hard to place children (like older children and minority children). The couple who discarded their surrogate baby were heterosexual.

    You know, if you actually looked into it, you may find many of your assumptions about gay people to be quite wrong. Many of the gay and bisexual people I know work in caring roles, such as with mental health services, intellectual disability services, hospitals, care homes.. They aren’t all the same, but there are many who you have gotten all wrong and your comment is extremely offensive to those people, as if they don’t care. Does the fact that the couple who ditched their disabled surrogate twin recently mean that all heterosexual couples are evil?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:47 PM

    I’ll be glad when this farce is over, and LGBTs will be permitted to think and talk for themselves again.
    Maybe some of them will even get there sense of humour back.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:54 PM

    David.

    You don’t get to control women’s wombs. Or other mens sperm for that matter.

    The situation is going to happen whether you like it or not. Heterosexual and homosexual couples are going to use surrogates and donors, and the surrogates and donors will have their own reasons for agreeing to take part in the process, be they altruistic or financial. This has been going on for as long as people have been having trouble having babies of their own.

    The difference is that the yes side would like to ensure that the children in these situations are given legal protections, you don’t. You want what? To erase them from existing? Force the mother to live with the gay father? Take the child from not just one but BOTH their parents to give them to heterosexual ones?

    It’s clear you haven’t thought your argument through.. You can’t just sweep these kids under the rug David. They exist, regardless of your opinions of those whobare raising them. If you gave a toss about children you wouldn’t be using them as ammunition in a referendum that bears no relevance to the legislation governing these family situations, and if you honestly did think marriage was about children you definitely wouldn’t be arguing about depriving those children the benefits of their parents being married.

    But no. You seem to only care about children who are raised by a mother and a father. Your whole argument rings incredibly hollow.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:58 PM

    Well said David. Gay parents are for life not just Christmas!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:08 PM

    Jeez, ye guys are turning into parodies.. Have I been had by some really good trolls?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:12 PM

    Here is to sarcasm and the lost art of irony?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:13 PM
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:13 PM

    @ Shanti
    “You can’t just sweep these kids under the rug David”???
    From the side that keeps saying that “this referendum is not about children”????

    If you haven’t noticed I do care about all children Shanti, unlike those who intentionally take (bred to order) vulnerable babies from their mothers wombs a force them into a life of being motherless/fatherless.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:13 PM

    They seem to rather look for a sh..g than have a laugh on here?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:21 PM

    The only reason people are telling you it’s not relevant to the referendum is because even if you vote no, it has no impact on the issue you are so hung up on whatsoever.

    It’s not us trying to sweep kids under the rug, the kids just got their own set of laws to protect them and their family situations.

    The referendum is about whether or not two people can get married. It *doesn’t* have anything to do with children. If it did it would more likely be called the family referendum.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:29 PM

    You don’t David.. You specifically and most definitely do not care about the lgbt children and their siblings who will have to continue either being treated like second class citizens or watch their brothers and sisters be treated as such. You clearly couldn’t give a rats ass about them,their families or the struggles they go through because of people like you who think that lgbt people aren’t quite equal to hetrosexual people, that their relationships aren’t worthy of the same treatment as hetrosexual ones. that there are people in the world who think that they shouldn’t be around children. Yeah, great work thinking about all of the children David.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:00 AM

    Who owns the building topcat?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:09 AM

    @Brian Madden: You could not be further from the truth. This referendum is only to do with Children! It’s been explained a thousand times by contributors, including myself. This referendum paves the way for the elimination of one biological parent from the life of their children, for good. It’s an abomination. Anyone who argues otherwise is either massively uninformed or a liar. So, if you think that’s cool then please drive on but, if you agree that children should be entitled at having a shot at having a real Mum & Dad (in the biblical sense), VOTE NO!

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:11 AM

    Greg
    http://www.refcom2015.ie/marriage

    I would strongly suggest you read this if you think the referendum is about children.

    The children’s referendum was in 2012.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:19 AM

    @Stevie Walker: Very logical argument there: The World is already a damaged place and the Church, as you see it, stands for Paedophilia so let’s throw the cards up in the air completely and use modern medicine to allow two men or two women to have mono-parent children. Perfect sense. It’ll definitely make the World a better place. I predict that the suicide stats for young adults from these homes will be far far higher than we’re currently experiencing. It’s a whole new World of f€(ked up!

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:26 AM

    @Shanti: Your whole silly argument based on the tragedy of Children growing up without one or other parent for a variety of reasons including the death of a mother or father. So, there are lots of people already missing their Parents through the random tragedy of life so why not make it legal to create them ourselves! This rubbish leaves me speechless.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:33 AM

    Right back at ya Greg..
    The referendum is asking us about marriage.

    Adoption, surrogacy, donors etc, that’s all separate legislation. And it’s already been passed into law.. Why the no side seem to think voting no makes any difference to this fact is beyond me.. If you read the referendum commissions website at http://www.refcom2015.ie/marriage you will realise that this referendum is just about marriage, hence why it’s called the marriage referendum, not the family referendum.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:36 AM

    @Shanti: It isn’t being called anything other than innocuous ‘Marriage Equality’ because of robust lobbying by the Rainbow Movement who catalysed this referendum in the first instance. The amendment of Art 41 would change the meaning of the family which has heretofore been deemed a heterosexual Union by the Courts. If successful, it will have a direct effect on Art 42 in respect of the natural educators of Children, the parents. It confers equal rights of parenthood onto same sex couples.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:01 AM

    Right, so you didn’t read the referendum commissions website on either time I linked you to it?

    What legislation was signed into law on April 6th 2015 and what does it do?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:04 AM

    Oh and by the way, no one has the right to parenthood. Parenthood is a privilege and a responsibility, one not even heterosexuals get.

    And ps, the courts also ruled in 1985 that you don’t need kids to be considered “family” for the purposes of Article 41.

    Of course, you’d know all this of you read the referendum commissions website at http://www.refcom2015.ie/marriage

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:13 AM

    Greg, same-sex families exist already, have existed for decades and will continue to exist into the future. Voting no will not change that fact, but the message it sends to children of gay families is that they and their parents are not equal and not acceptable as a family. Our constitution was written in an another era and needs to be updated to included all families, gay and straight. The referendum is clearly about same sex marriage. The Children and Family Relationships Bill, which is now law as of the 6th April, allows gay couples adopt jointly, covers most areas of guardianship and a lot of other legalities of which the are too many to go into here now. Being married confers family rights to the couple who get married whether they have children or not. Would you agree that a couple who marry are a family even if they don’t have kids? I have straight friends who are married but can’t have kids and I most definitely believe they are a family and the lack of children doesn’t make them any less of a family. I would also agree that a gay couple who are civil partnered and without kids are most definitely a family, but under the constitution, they aren’t. Denying gay/lesbian couples the choice of civil marriage is denying them the right to be a family under the constitution. Voting no will only prevent gay/lesbian couples from accessing civil marriage, nothing more and nothing less.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:52 AM

    You are a wag

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 6:08 AM

    David, your so right, we must stop these ‘big bad gays’ from ripping babies from the arms of their mothers at birth, as that is 100% what they are intending on doing. Good on you for looking out for us all and warning us to this danger….

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 9:23 AM

    Greg McGarry,

    Have a read of this link: http://constitutionproject.ie/?p=503

    It’s a rebuttal, by a Senior lecturer of Constitutional Law and Child Law in UCC, to the ridiculous claims made about this referendum paving the way for Same-sex couples to access AHR and other wrongful claims on how this referendum is about children by those on the No-side.

    I think I’ll take his word for it before the likes of Breda O Brien, Keith Mills and David Quinn.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:24 AM

    “This referendum paves the way for the elimination of one biological parent from the child’s life, for good.” If you do have issues about surrogacy then you need to vote Yes. A No vote will make it much harder for the government (or any future government) to limit surrogacy to heterosexual married couples, as it would be very easy to argue in the courts that this discriminates against gay people, since they cannot legally marry their life partner, owing to their biology.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:50 PM

    Would people want it to stay if it was anti same sex marriage?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:55 PM

    Good question. I’m looking forward to a good answer.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:55 PM

    Would people want it to stay if it was pro-sunshine, or anti-santa, or pro-pencil sharpeners? What’s your point?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:55 PM

    Of course they wouldn’t. Even if it had 100k signatures. If it went up illegally then it has to come down. This won’t be doing the yes side any good at all.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:56 PM

    I’m all for yes in the SSM referendum but I swear to god a lot of the Yes voters are annoying me to the extent where I want to vote No

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:57 PM

    No , there would be an outcry and the intolerant cultural marxist brigade would have defaced it by now ,the artist should have put a mural up celebrating marriages of every kind then no one would’ve had anything to gripe about thats equailty .

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:07 PM

    No.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:07 PM

    They are their own worst enemies, the accuse anyone that disagrees with them of being a homophobe. I wonder how many they have created over the last few months ?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:10 PM

    Peter Slattery is the point is it’s simply graffiti

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:10 PM

    Of course if it’s nice. How can it be against two loving people being together and still be nice I don’t know, but give it a try.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:12 PM

    Subject is so close to heart for many. Are some going to far? Perhaps. That’s what you do when you really care. Fact that someone “votes no just to pissed off someone who’s calling for yes” really shows how little people understand how important this is. It’s about people’s lives. Real people.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:16 PM

    Not anyone who disagrees Tony. If you have been called a homophobe perhaps it’s because of things you have said. Like the fact you think the idea of same sex parenting is as ridiculous as a man and a horse raising a child. That doesn’t exactly show tolerance does it?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:20 PM

    It is ridiculous Demise, not intolerance just common sense.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:27 PM

    Tony, given the content if your comments of the marriage equality referendum, and those directed towards Panti/Rory O’Neill in particular, I don’t think anyone would consider you a decent arbiter of what is tolerant and intolerant.

    You are a bigot.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:27 PM

    Thankfully, adoption agencies know better and place children based on their needs and not on some bigoted rationale.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:34 PM

    You’ve just proved my point Alan, gullible as ever. Well done and thank you.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:35 PM

    “It is ridiculous Demise, not intolerance just common sense”

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:35 PM

    Another small reason for the “yes” side to have a big chip on their shoulder.
    “Vote “yes” in the name of pity”????
    Grown Men snivelling on the radio about being “forced to feel inferior”
    Strong Gays like Oscar Wilde must be turning in their graves with all this grovelling and blubbering.
    Such a poisonous message to send out to young LGBTs.
    God help our youth.
    God help us all.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:37 PM

    “It is ridiculous Demise, not intolerance just common sense”

    Why is it then Tony that your so called “common sense” position on same sex parenting runs contrary to the academic consensus on the matter?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:38 PM

    Let’s hope they consider the most basic of needs Liberte, a mother and father. A child has no need for PC bullshît.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:41 PM

    Tony, they will consider what actually are the best needs of the child. Not what you think are the best needs of the child.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:18 PM

    FairR in fairness it’s the ‘no’ side that started making all this noise about the mural.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:59 PM

    Lloyd. Do you think I’m the only one that thinks the most basic of needs for a child are a mother and father ? I’m sure there are many in the adoption agencies that know that ! Lol. Your naivety makes me laugh.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:08 PM

    Why not allow it to stay?
    In its position it sits almost opposite the George, arguably the most famous, long standing gay bar in Dublin.
    It’s also where homophobic attacks have taken place.

    The message letting this mural stay put would send is that you are going to see gay people embrace, they’re not going anywhere (especially if you’re standing around George’s St), so get used to it.

    It’s completely unacceptable for people to be physically attacked for being “different”. It’s completely unacceptable for people to be randomly attacked full stop, so in this area of the city, this mural is – to me, particularly poignant.

    It’s a scene that shouldn’t even provoke a reaction. We see far more raunchy shots of heterosexual couples plastered all over the place and we are so used to them no one bats an eyelid.

    Until that day comes, where no one bats an eyelid, I would like to see this remain.. But I realise it can’t, because to the best of my knowledge it’s made of paper and would pretty much disintegrate after a few spells of rain..

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:50 PM

    Much akin to what liberal Ireland is going to do to marriage , just another worthless piece of paper.

    Vote No.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:15 PM

    Does marriage need to be something limited to heterosexual couples for yours to have any meaning to you Ugly Truth? Says a lot more about your marriage than anything else.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:16 PM

    Tony – while we’ve got the dictionary out, maybe you could look up the meaning of the word “need”.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:58 PM

    If it was worthless then no one would care about it Ugly.. No one would be fighting for the right to have that piece of paper.

    I assure you, the LGBT community don’t appear to think it’s a “worthless piece of paper”.

    Maybe you do. Maybe you take for granted what you already have access to?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:59 PM

    If its not ‘limited’ to heterosexual couples then it can be abused by the many , opens the door to polygamy , beastiality , paedophilia and incest.

    Vote No.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:17 PM

    Ah jaysus Ugly, did you honestly just throw that one out there?
    You’re arguing no on the ultimate slippery slope, and the ONLY thing required to debunk your argument is the referendum wording..

    ‘Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex’.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:40 AM

    Tony. A mother and father are actually not a child’s most basic needs. There are far too many children who have to be removed from their mothers and fathers because their mothers and fathers are actually detrimental to the child. A child’s basic needs are food, shelter, love, safety, security and stability and so on. In the absence of a child’s mother and/or father, other people can successfully provide these things.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:12 PM

    @ Tony Kilduff

    LOL

    “You’ve just proved my point Alan”… you couldn’t parody nonsense like this. Tony you spectacular idiot!

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:25 PM

    You read my post about gays being their own worst enemies by constantly trying to insult people ?
    You’ve done it again ! You just can’t help yourself can you ? Embarrassed for you at this stage. Talk about gullible !! Lol…

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:28 PM

    I love the way people who don’t see any wrong with blokes marrying each other and pushing prams down the street call others idiots…. lol. Planet airy fairy must be a wonderful place !

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:46 PM

    What exactly is wrong with blokes pushing prams down the street, Tony? Is that just a womans role?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:49 PM

    Yeah, what is wrong with two guys pushing a pram? And how come it’s only two guys – what about two women? All your objections tend to be gender specific. It’s quite apparent that you take issue with male homosexuality, but your feelings on female homosexuality seem far less apparent..

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:37 PM

    Who are you referring to me when you say “gays being their own worst enemy” Tony?

    For one thing, you have no idea of my sexual orientation and for another it is entirely irrelevant… except to a hateful bigot like yourself, of course.

    You’ve made a number of insulting and hateful comments on here, specifically those relating to Panti/Rory O’Neil so, as I said before. you really don’t have any ground to stand on when calling out people for being insulting.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 6:28 PM

    “Strong Gays like Oscar Wilde”
    You mean Oscar WIlde the writer who went to prison for 2 years for “gross indecency” (being gay) were he befell many hardships and injuries that ultimately led to his death?

    Yeah I’m sure he NEVER FELT INFERIOR BECAUSE HE WAS GAY!!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:47 PM

    Keep signing people it must stay!!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:09 PM

    If Banksy was the artist, would he be threatened with a warning letter ?

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    Mute Lloyd Hetherington
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:22 PM

    Banksy wouldn’t come here. Why would he? I mean, look at the way we (they) carry on over a mural.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:55 PM

    There are loads of straight versions of this kind of thing and no-one complains. I think the critics of the mural are inconsistent.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:11 PM

    They do, look at the United Colours of Benetton and what they did?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:07 PM

    Some people in life just prefer ugly, old, plain, grey walls… Luckily they are a minority. Here’s hoping the mural stays.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:00 PM

    I’ll be signing it now and will look for new signatures

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:52 PM

    I’d rather have it removed to be honest, not because of what it portrays but because it’s in breach of the law. If it was anything else my position would stay the same

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:26 PM

    If this was a mural of a pretty flower or of the Irish rugby team or even if it was George Hook and ingrid his wife there would be absolutely no problems or no mention of planning..I could understand if it was an advertisement for a commercial product alright but simply because it’s 2 people of the same sex embracing it’s an issue..this is completely unacceptable and disgraceful that it is even mentioned by the city council. It’s not sexual or offensive in anyway and only proves were still living in the 1950′s.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:17 PM

    I think the no side all rushed to complain, so the council, in fairness has to be seen to uphold the law. You’ve seen the disgusting ‘no’ posters so it’s hardly surprising that they would stoop to this.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:05 PM

    Just off to grafton street to stick up a poster of me and the mrs. Sure what the hell, if he CAN do it. I might as well do it as well

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    Mute Lloyd Hetherington
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:11 PM

    The Mrs.? Yes, of course, you’re allowed to marry your partner.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:33 PM

    Oh so that gives me the right to stick up a poster anywhere i like, guess you wont be signing my pétition then?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:14 PM

    No Brendan, just reminding you why this poster is currently relevant and yours (with the greatest respect) is not.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:35 PM

    Fair enough. Still does not make it lawful. Ah if only we do whatever we wanted in life

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:43 PM

    Well at least you’re allowed to marry the person you love, unlike me.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:45 PM

    Only because your in the wrong country at the wrong time

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:54 PM

    No, just in my country, my entire life?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:14 PM

    Your entire life? Try england? Ireland seems to be moving to fast for the people.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:09 PM

    @ Brendan – Sure why don’t you give Syria a go while we’re at it?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:41 AM

    If only you new me

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:53 AM

    Sorry but its the way i feel

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:18 AM

    When i drink i dont give a shit

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:36 AM

    Brendan. Are you saying I should leave for a foreign country if I’d like to get married?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:20 AM

    I know im happy here.so Why not do the same

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:53 AM

    No

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:43 AM

    Get back to us when you sober up, Brendan. And mind yourself over there. The last thing England needs is another drunken Paddy.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:03 PM

    It’s now up to 16,881 as a result of my signature

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:42 PM

    Just out of curiosity and checking the councils list of protected structures, 19-22 Dame Street is listed (the Spar Shop across the street from Rick’s Burgers) and 24 Dame Street (Which is the address given for Dame House, but also the address listed for Rick’s Burgers). So where’s 23 Dame Street? Does it exist?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:50 PM

    Graham its on google maps I believe.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:53 PM

    Also from what I can tell from the Department of the Environments “Guide to Planning Enforcement in Ireland”, the council could, should they choose drag the matter out for up to three months, and there is the option to retrospectively apply for planning permission.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:54 PM

    Google maps doesn’t seem to be accurate though since it’s pointing to the middle of Dame Street rather than any particular address.

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    Mute Brendan Julian
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:55 PM

    Why do you Want to stick up a poster there. Ive got grafton street covered anyway. This guy seems to be setting off a trend

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:06 PM

    Because 23 Dame Street isn’t a protected building, and if it were to transpire that Rick’s Burgers was in fact 23 Dame Street, then planning permission would not have been required for the erection.

    Plus it’s a bit mysterious.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:52 PM

    I am voting yes. I don’t mind if people decide vote no on items that are relevant to the debate. We all are entitled to vote when we are over 18. Everyone is also entitled to their own opinion, that doesn’t mean we all have to agree with it. What I do not like to see is people like Tony and Davy Fitz who are bringing something completely irrelevant into the debate. Surrogacy and adoption legislation relating to straight and homosexual couples is NOT relevant to this upcoming referendum. It looks like the no side are using this to try and sway on the fence voters which I don’t like seeing as it is irrelevant. Those issues will be dealt with in the upcoming family and relationships bill. If people are not satisfied with that bill then protest about it. Just don’t use surrogacy, adoption or children to persuade people to vote no when that is NOT what we are voting on nor will these be affected if this referendum is passed.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:00 AM

    What’s even more frustrating is that myself and others have repeatedly pointed out the relevant facts to them from http://www.refcom2015.ie/marriage and they flat out refuse to see the facts laid out in front of them..
    “At present, a married couple may jointly adopt a child. A single person, whether heterosexual or homosexual, may adopt.

    The Children and Family Relationships Act 2015 provides that civil partners and cohabiting couples who have lived together for three years will be eligible to adopt jointly. This Act was signed into law on 6 April 2015. The provisions on adoption are not yet in force but are expected to come into force in the near future.”

    Voting no has no effect on this law because it’s already passed.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:57 PM

    It could be two blokes consoling one another. It doesn’t necessarily mean the mural is depicting two, gay blokes.

    Its not a very happy looking scene.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:10 PM

    Have you seen the meeting on the turet stairs?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 8:26 AM

    No, I will look into it.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 7:51 PM

    Yes I saw it Shanti, fantastic painting, and I can see the mural has some of the elements of the original.
    Clever.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 8:12 PM

    The mural was based on that painting. Glad you got to see them both and compare. The original looks quite sombre too.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 9:25 PM

    Yes the original does alright.

    The original is very vivid the colours give a realistic feel to what is happening. Its very good.
    I don’t particularly like the mural it doesn’t really bother me whether its there or not. The mural has it’s own feel, its dark it’s gloomy, and for this referendum, it may seep into peoples minds.

    Who knows.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:52 PM

    Just to point out…. It’s not a permanent installation. The whole point of Joe Caslin’s work is it disintegrates over time and degrades with exposure to the elements. It’s basically like wallpaper. It’ll probably have faded to nothing in a few months. I’m pretty sure that it doesn’t need planning but DCC rushed to issue a statement when they received a bunch of complaints from you know yourself. I personally think it’s a gorgeous piece of street art and it really makes something of an otherwise dull corner of the city. Bear in mind The Bernard Shaw issues street art to actually advertise gigs, shows, causes, promotions etc. and I’m fairly sure they don’t have planning. This isn’t something that’s enforced regularly if at all, so if the DCC deal with this in a high handed manner and demand it’s destruction, you’d really have to draw your own conclusions as to why.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:53 PM

    People refer to “gays”and “the gays” not realising that “gay” is more properly an adjective, not a noun.

    The correct expression is “gay persons” or “gay people” or such variations.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:03 PM

    I know, change that to “Jew” or “The Jews” and say something negative after it and see what you get called. Jewish people is a far more respectful description, of course if you try to follow it up with something hateful or untrue then it’s still going to be anti semitic.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:05 AM

    Make that 19,001 … where do I sign?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:14 AM

    More like 25,546..

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:02 PM

    Remove it ,confusing children and that’s what lgbt want.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:09 PM

    @mdmak33 and god forbid the children would be confused…… bolix

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:20 PM

    I think children have a bit more cop on than that. Gay people exist. Deal with it.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:55 PM

    Children generally are not homophobic

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:31 AM

    A child would barely notice it. And if it did, it’d see 2 people hugging. Nothing more. It’s your twisted interpretation of the mural that children need protection from. Btw, kids have t.v, movies and the internet. A mural of 2 people hugging should be the least of your worries.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:38 AM

    So why worry about it. Jeez let it go. Let the people choose there right. If you force them!! They Will automaticly go against

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:59 AM

    Also how can you tell that is a gay mural, could it not just be a mural to encourage men to embrace or be more emotional, women do it all the time

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:47 PM

    Shanti…..lol

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:06 AM

    DCC like most big organisations just want a quiet life so when they received a bucket load of complaints the path of least resistance is to just try and make the problem go away by removing the mural.

    *If* there is indeed a breach of planning regulations then the mural should come down, but I’ve yet to see a definitive case that it is.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:06 PM

    Many signed it with an X lol…

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 3:10 AM

    What is wrong with the future of ireland .. Today .. The fear of moving foward into the future .. To many stuck in old ways , old Catholic ways with short memories it seems.. Irelands future of its citizens need a nation who will support everyone as an equal . Everyone , all race and all persons have the right to love , to love one another not behind closed doors but freely … People of Ireland have a choice .. And say “Yes” everyone has the right to love one another regardless to who or what you are in this life.. Nobody should not be told they cannot marry the same sex..

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:38 PM

    Once again another spectacular own goal from the Bigot Brigade. They’ve generate more publicity for the mural than the artist could have hoped.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:57 AM

    The George is across the road and has been for years, also Dragon was just up the road. I wish they’d have something a bit more prideful front displays.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 10:42 PM

    Sadly we live in a Country where the elected Government is leading this County to Sodom and Gomorow!

    Fine Gael did not have the contents of this Referendum in its election Manifesto!

    Fine Gael has misled the Irish electorate and must face the consequences!

    Sad for Fine Gael!

    Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:40 PM

    Over 32k signatures now.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:33 PM

    Lads why so much publicity for homosexuality . If ya want to be gay or lesbian or straight that’s ur choice so be it. Why advertise. Marriage is a sacred ceremony to give the couple and kids the proper respect. Homosexuals can’t give birth to any kids or even a pup. So they cannot extend a family so why marry? What is a marriage gonna do for ya. What’s the big deal. And then showing young kids or the older ones all this homo stuff into their faces. Not cool at all. So go enjoy what u want to do and keep it to urself.

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