@artur fil: There you go artur – fixed your comment for you.

@Pedro: Now let me fix your comment: “They’re telling unjabbed to take jab because jabs work”… for the next 3 months. There’s an average 5% chance to catch the virus in next 3 months at last 3 months rate. That drops even further if one is self conscious about health and can avoid it further (wfh, less interaction, masks). I will drop that to 3%. Now, out of 5% there’s a change of 0.5% to end up in the hospital and 0.05% to end up in the ICU. The declared adverse reactions to vaccine have worse odds.
“This is all while telling everyone that the unjabbed have the longest virus transmission”… most of which will be in isolation. And the shorter by 50% transmission period for the jabbed will be spent with superpowers in all the Covid pass places, as well as everywhere else. The half less chance to spread will be used well beyond double the risk to spread compared to unjabbed.

@Colin Conlan: You’ve included a few assumptions, I will try to address. Re: isolation period, are you confident that those who think “it’s just a flu” will be responsible enough to isolate correctly? I’m not. You also mention the additional health measures such as (correct) mask wearing but again thwt projects a level of responsibility which I dont feel confident is there. Finally, and probably most pertinently, you’ve quoted percentages based on the last 3 months, which to be fair for you were relevant up to a couple of weeks ago. However Omicron has only become the dominant strain here in the last day or so. Unfortunately the goalposts have since moved and recent figures, and most relevant to us those coming from London and the wider UK, indicate that we need to be very cautious.

@artur fil: Well you’re being very frivolous with the truth but it’s not surprising.

@artur fil: thanks for the misinformation. From the get go, when we gave the first vaccines EVERYBODY was advised they can still contract and transmit. So cautions were necessary . I advised based on the data at the time even if you do contract it you’d be most likely symptom free, or very mild symptoms . We told everybody this because we knew this at the time. It’s not new. Nothing would convince an anti vaxxer anyways .

@Brendan Harlowe: I am double vaccinated but I forgot double jabbed people are anti-vaxxers now..

@artur fil: no one has ever called double jabbed people anti vaxers. But people who don’t want to take the boosters like to complain that that’s how they’ll be seen. Even though, as I said, no one has said that

@Gerry McCaughey: So what is the definition for an “anti vaxxer”?

@Pedro: So people are required to get jabbed because they are not trusted to self-isolate?
Is the booster for Omicron? …which is the one that “escapes” the vaccine? Or is this not the case anymore? The goalposts do indeed move.

@artur fil: artur – tool a are you (read it backwards!)

@The Interloper (what/why): won’t take a vaccine but il take an ICU bed if they tell me I need one no bother

@Sean Mccabe: The likelihood of a healthy non vaccinated person taking up an ICU bed is exceptionally slim.

@Josepi: Then why are >50% of Covid ICU cases from the <10% of the unvaccinated population? I can do math. I think you need to work on yours.

@Sean Mccabe: The overwhelming majority of ICU beds are occupied by the very vunerable already vaccinated or vulnerable people who can’t take the vaccine.

@Josepi: The likelihood of anyone in Ireland getting TB or Polio is also exceptionally slim…

@Josepi: would that be as slim as a side effect of taking a vaccine

@Pádraic Brady: yes but half are vaccinated right!? The chances are the unvaccinated in ICU are people that can’t take the vaccine too so you forget to factor that in. Also even if they were vaccinated they would probably still be in the ICU. it’s not all black and white.

@Josepi: Not only is your comment inaccurate, it’s also quite dismissive of the most vunerable in society. You must be very lucky in life.

@Josepi: I’ll give you one thing, you’d get an A1 for whataboutery and logical fallacies.

@Sean Mccabe: sorry is this the magic vaccine that stops transmission and stops people getting covid? Or is it the actual vaccine that’s out now? The MAJORITY of people in hospitals at the moment are vaccinated twice or three times. Hope you feel protected from the runny nose with your vaccine mate. It’s not anti this or pro that. It’s just having a choice. It’s obvious to anyone with half a brain that whether you have a vax or not it simply doesn’t matter.

@Sean Mccabe: What is so hard to understand? People aren’t taking the jab because they don’t need one. Just like loads of people don’t take the flu jab every year. If you’re old and vulnerable it would be wise to take it, if you’re young and healthy it’s not. The rest is just coercion.

@Josepi: Is this the latest lie?

That the unvaccinated taking up a huge proportion of the ICU beds in relation to their population representation CAN’T be vaccinated?

What an absolute crock!

The numbers that legitimately can’t be vaccinated is tiny. This is just the latest crass attempt to justify your refusal to do the right thing.

@Hotshtepper wha: The majority, based on population share, is UNVACCINATED.

Your inability to understand maths doesn’t change anything.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/vaccinationstatusreports/

@Hotshtepper wha: reading this I now know you’ve half a brain.not much more I can say except your an empty vessel

@Sean Murphy: your using the old trusty flu and covid comparison I see that splatterd on the comment section from the anti everything brigade.do you feel coerced into drinking and smoking or taking recreational drugs

@Sean Murphy: Define young, and define healthy? After that, explain why 10% of the population are taking up 50% of the Covid ICU beds if they are both?

It’s like talking to politicians in here. Facts vanish and everybody ignores the question that was asked.

@Sean Murphy: 9 people I worked with in India died in the first Delta wave.

NINE

Youngest was 22, oldest was 46.

You are lying to yourself if you believe that young people can’t be seriously affected.

@Hotshtepper wha: Oh, we’ve competition for the whataboutery! You’re right though, it’s all made up. Fake news. People haven’t lost loved ones (and if they have, who cares they were probably old or vunerable anyway) and all those who died around the world would have died anyway, they’re fake statistics. Anyone with half a brain can see this was all just a joined up up effort by pretty much every country in world, supported by the vast majority of the scientific community (who really aren’t as smart as they think they are), in an effort to track and control us… They’re not fooling me though. I get the real information from my GPS enabled smart phone who’s algorithms and targeted marketing know exactly what information I need to see – the REAL truth.

@Sean Mccabe: when you look at the survival/hospitalisation rates it is comparable with a bad flu, so it is a valid comparison.

@Sean Mccabe: It won’t convince any of the anti-vaxxers to get the jab, but it will convince some unvaccinated to get the jab. Is that not a good thing?

You’re conflating vaccine hesitant (mostly younger and not at any risk individuals) and anti-vaxx (people who don’t believe in vaccines in any way shape or form against any virus).

@Sean Murphy: your a knob you think elderly or compromised people are just cannon fodder I bet ur grandparents r so proud of ur thoughts on covid

@Tricia G: I never said that young people can’t be effected, just that it is rare. The damage is concentrated in the old and unhealthy. That is in the data from all the cases around the whole as opposed to your anecdotal example.

@Josepi: “the chances are”. Say no more.

@Tomo: fair point, if this vaccine helps to do that im all for it but I’m not confident it will.

@Sean Murphy: everyone gets old and unhealthy. My parents are old and unhealthy. That doesn’t mean that they’re expendable and should be put in harms way because the postman is a young anti-vax nut. 8% of those who have died in Ireland have been under 65 so about 450 younger people. Youth is wasted on the young as they say.

@Pádraic Brady: Firstly, the vaccination rate is actually closer to 75-77% in Ireland when you look at the entire population. Secondly, as pointed out before, the majority of those in ICU (jabbed or not) are immunocomprimised. Those who are immunocomprimised and are not jabbed are likely unable to get it as they are too sick. Hope this helps.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AhhereLIO/status/1461030045993033732

@GrumpyAulFella: Of course they are not expendable, who said they were? I have elderly parents also. I tell them to get the jab as they are in a vulnerable age bracket to help protect themselves. Young people are less likely to need that protection. If you’re old and vulnerable it’s wise to take it, if you’re young and healthy not so much. What’s hard to understand about this position? It’s not rocket science.

@Sean Murphy: stop digging you’ve already dug yourself in deep enough

@Sean Murphy: Using your own statistics, there are vulnerable people is society that cannot take the vaccine. Young people may be less likely to need protection from a vaccine but what level of social responsibility do you feel they have to those who can’t get one?

@Sean Murphy: It’s over 90% for the entire population. Of the Republic of Ireland. I didn’t think that needed clarification, but apparently it does if you’re going to be loose around definitions that others take for granted when we’re taking about our HSE, our government, and our country.

@Sean Murphy: I think you’re missing the point. Unvaccinated people are 40% more likely to spread the virus. I don’t want some young unvaccinated person who didn’t get the vaccine because they thought they were invincible and didn’t need it, putting my parents in harms way while they serve them a loaf of bread at the shop. Protect yourself and protect others.

@Sean Mccabe: your response suggests there is consensus among all scientists. This is not the case. Further, with uncertainty hanging over both how effective the vaccine will be on omicron as well as just how harmful Omicron is, the need for young, healthy people to take any vaccine is pretty thin.
In the end, it’s up to each individual whether or not they choose to take the vaccine. It doesn’t affect you; you really should look for another hobby and leave people to make their own medical decisions in peace.

@The Interloper (what/why): Assumption followed by misinformation followed by a plea to ignore your social responsibilities? You were really going for the whole trifecta! Scientists, of course, have a concensus on the efficacy of vaccines. Healthy young people, of course, can die from Covid. My parents’ hobbies rely on their good health and your medical decisions in refusing a vaccine put that at risk if they ever need one of those ICU beds occupied by the unvaccinated.

@Pedro: Please explain the mechanism by which getting this vaccine represents social responsibility.

@Pádraic Brady: No it is not. It is 93% of over 18s are jabbed. When you count the entire population, who would be counted in the ICU stats if sick, it is closer to 75 – 77%.

@The Interloper (what/why): oh but it does affect me and the rest of the wider population im afraid because of the selfishness and skewed ideology of the few who just won’t be vaccinated no matter what vaccine is offered to them.

@Pádraic Brady: Firstly, scientists absolutely do not have consensus opinion on the efficacy or the need for these vaccines. You are wrong.
Secondly, your parents’ health is their own responsibility; I have a responsibility to look after my family’s health and my own. So far, the vaccines have failed to provide immunity or prevent viral spread; your ‘social responsibility’ argument is predicated on failed logic.

@GrumpyAulFella: Yeah I’m going to doubt that figure significantly. Especially when you had some of the highest jabbed countries on top of the red lists. And the highest jabbed parts of those countries, like Waterford for example, with the highest incident rate and Monaghan, the lowest jabbed county, having the lowest incidence rate. Jabs only protect yourself from serious illness, that’s it.

@Sean Mccabe: the vaccines have failed to provide immunity or prevent transmission of covid. Anybody else choosing not to get vaccinated only affects you in your head. The reasons for their choice are none of your business and don’t change a thing.

@Pádraic Brady: “Assumption followed by misinformation followed by a plea to ignore your social responsibilities? You were really going for the whole trifecta!”
My post contained none of these.

@The Interloper (what/why): more disinformation your on fire today.vaccines were never promised to provide immunity or stop transmission they were made to reduce serious illness and death and reduce transmission all which is true so you don’t be making things up in your little head.

@Sean Mccabe: What evidence can you present to demonstrate that the vaccines have reduced transmission? In the case of serious illness or death for that matter, is there any way to prove that any of these people would have been more ill or more deal if they hadn’t been vaccinated? Your comment is speculative and based on wishful thinking.

@The Interloper (what/why): try hospital numbers last January with no one vaccinated and look now not even a quarter in hospital now compared to January.but no that couldn’t be the vaccine contributing to that or cud it

@Sean Murphy: that’s a WHO published figure. Science and data, not hearsay. Unvaxed pose a much greater risk to others than vaxed. That’s why it’s not all about me, me, me.

@Sean Mccabe: nothing to do with Delta being more transmissible but less pathogenic than previous variants? Same with omicron?

@The Interloper (what/why): not true you just can’t accept the vaccines work that’s y more people don’t need hospital treatment.if you don’t want to be vaccinated that’s your choice but dont spout misinformation like your doing

@The Interloper (what/why): No problem, delighted to. Let’s explain with the help of an analogy. We have speed limits on roads because it helps reduce the risk associated with driving on them. If there was no speed limits, those who felt they were competent driving at the max speed of their vehicle may inadvertently cause injury or even death to those not confident at higher speeds or who may just not have a vehicle as powerful as the next. We all reduce to an agreed speed for the greater good. Vaccines work the same way. Chances are you’ll be fine if you catch covid – I was. However, when the vaccine became available I made sure I got that too so to reduce the likelihood of being part of any virus chain that may not be so kind to the next. Now, if you could elaborate otherwise?

@Pedro: your protracted driving metaphor is no more clever than the tired seatbelt nonsense.
This is simple: the vaccine did not break “any virus chain”. Virtue signal to your hearts’ content about the “greater good”, it changes nothing.

@Sean Mccabe: absolutely is true; I would argue that it’s you who has the problem with acceptance.
You’re right about one thing though.

@The Interloper (what/why): I can accept theres always people who can’t see the nose in front of there face out there just like you unfortunately

@The Interloper (what/why): In the time you took to reply, I had quick flick through your Twitter. I see only a few days ago you retweeted some nonsense edited video of Obama talking about new world orders. That’s all I needed to know. It looks like you’re too far gone. Best I can advise is to stop believing everything you read on the Internet. Good luck to you.

@Sean Mccabe: lol

@Pedro: what does your comment do to advance your argument or validate your point? Seems to me like you’ve just resorted to playing the man.
Do better.

@Hotshtepper wha: Maybe wait until you find the other half of your brain before commenting.

@Sean Murphy: Failed playschool science I see.

@The Interloper (what/why): Nah he got you. If you’re into NWO you’re probably too far gone. Try doing better yourself.