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Leaving Cert student Is the 2021 CAO fiasco proof that the 'points race' has been run?

Luke Heffernan missed out on his dream course this year – he feels the ‘points race’ is redundant.

LAST UPDATE | 9 Sep 2021

THE LEAVING CERT exams have been underway for almost a century. They are a rite of passage for so many students.

Some believe these exams are necessary to assess the worthiness of our young people so that they may accordingly be squeezed into courses that have a shockingly limited number of places.

The ‘hard reality’ of this year’s exams has meant that even the most hard-working students have been sieved out of their first choices and forced to settle further down their CAO list.

How can we possibly believe that the Leaving Cert and the CAO points race system is the best way to go from here on out when this is happening?

Facing challenges

It wasn’t until the summer before 5th year that I shifted my sights away from Veterinary Medicine towards a career in Medicine. My sister had just been diagnosed with a rare form of Leukaemia that of course shook my own as well as my family’s lives.

The treatment, late nights home, long drives and struggles flowed well into my Leaving Cert studies. It was some time during this dark period that I knew I wanted to be a doctor, someone who could help people like my sister survive these speed bumps in health that knock us off our feet and cause us to question what matters.

This family trauma launched me into action, from the get-go I had my goal in sight, I was ready to do everything in my power to try and grasp my fingers around an intensely sought place in medicine.

I still have nightmares thinking about the late-night study, denying my parents’ worries that I was ‘taking the study too far’ and promising them ‘I’ll go to bed soon’.

Coupled with the Leaving cert stress came the all dreaded Health Professions Admissions Test (HPAT), what many believe to be the biggest hurdle to get over when applying for medicine, a cut-throat exam where the average score out of 300 is 150. The sheer joy I felt when I scored a very competitive 171 (in the 80th percentile) – foolishly the first thing I shouted when I saw I managed it was ‘I’m going to get in, I did it” – that joy has now been grasped and shattered.

From joy to disappointment

That jubilance was furthered even more when I opened my Leaving Cert results on that sleepless Tuesday morning to see that I had scored the sacred 625 points, the sheer happiness that I felt thinking that my hard work had more than paid off was indescribable.

I also later discovered that in the six exams I did sit I scored all top grades, so the accredited grades process actually didn’t inflate my results at all.

This remarkable score combined with my HPAT score left me with a total of 736 points to apply to medicine with a score that would award me with a place in medicine in any university of my choosing in any other year and declare me the first doctor in my family, while also making my school, a DEIS school very proud also.

I was joyous, I was ready to celebrate, and was ready to open the CAO this Tuesday and accept my shiny offer for medicine despite talk of a points rise. I was sure that there was no possibility that points for medicine would soar to the heights I had scored. Of course, I was wrong.

When I opened the impersonal email from the ‘Central Applications Office’ to see that I had been offered my 6th choice the tears and disbelief all came at once. ‘There must be a mistake’ was the mantra that left my lips at least a dozen times as I held my face in my hands. All my efforts, all my hard work, seemingly not good enough.

Telling my family was the hardest part, after having been so confident. Having to tell them that I hadn’t got an offer for medicine, the one thing I dedicated almost every minute of the last two years to achieving was both gut-wrenching and admittedly humiliating.

Medicine in NUIG rose nine points (the equivalent of 45 leaving cert points) to 737, one point more than I achieved. Now I’m faced with the heavy decision of accepting my 6th choice or taking a gap year to try again.

The system is broken

I’m around long enough to have learnt that you don’t always get what you want in life. It’s easy for those who have long finished this exam to exclaim that we, the class of 2021 will have ‘lots more opportunities in the future’ and that we should just get on with it.

That might be a fair assessment was it only a few of us complaining. But, there are hundreds of students like me who despite their best efforts, sweat and tears have not been offered the course they have dreamed of. Something is really wrong this year. There is heartbreak and disappointment throughout the country on the back of the ‘points race’ – a wholly disrespectful phrase to use when discussing the future of a generation in the first place.

I’m sick of hearing TD’s and many others saying insensitive things like ‘that’s the way it is every year, the hard reality is that not everyone can get their first choice’. But when students who put all they have into their work, follow the saying ‘you reap what you sow’ to the best of their abilities and still don’t get rewarded for their work there is something systematically wrong.

Yes, we are coming out the other side, hopefully of a global pandemic. It has upended our society, it’s been tough on everyone, including exam year students. But, we can’t pretend that the Leaving Cert system had been working all along and that 2020/2021 exams are an anomaly. At least, let’s have an honest look now at this flawed finale to an otherwise excellent secondary education system and use this upset, this crisis as an opportunity to fix it.

It is very easy to blame the ‘dual approach’ system that came with this year’s Leaving Certificate, to blame the teachers for being ‘too generous’, but have we ever stopped and thought maybe that these inflated grades aren’t the problem, our focus should be on the system that has not changed majorly since its inception in 1925?

For the first time, we’ve seen people lose their desired course due to random selection despite achieving 625 points. This to me proves that the dreaded ‘points race’ can go no further, the final whistle has blown and the ribbon has been cut.

We need far greater investment into third level from our government, we need college administrators to act instead of calling for a return to a ‘normal’ exam system, we need third level institutions to demand the funds so they may greatly expand capacity, we need the minister for education to finally break away from the ‘traditional leaving cert’ and move towards a system that assesses students on more than just rote learning, but on their ability to adapt and challenge themselves.

In Ireland, we need to be able to offer a place in third-level education to anyone who desires one. We’re one of the few countries that rely solely on exam grades for third-level entry. Most top-tier institutions in other countries require interviews to ensure proof of interest in the desired course, but the Irish system is different, with no questions asked.

Thankfully, my sister has recovered from her illness, in no small part due to the excellent care she received from medical teams in Irish hospitals. Their knowledge and professionalism inspired me to go for medicine, and I believe the best doctors are not just those who scored high points in the Leaving Cert aged 17/18, but those who possess the empathy, emotional intelligence and exemplary work ethic that is required in this job. It’s a shame that the ‘points race’ excludes many deserving candidates from medicine and other courses like this.

Nursing pioneer Lilian Wald once said that ‘reform can be accomplished only when attitudes are changed’. I believe Education Minister Norma Foley’s and many others’ attitudes to the ‘brutal but fair’ Leaving Cert seems are stuck in the past.

In a time where everything we have known has been turned on its head due to the pandemic they too should realise that the Leaving Certificate exams should follow suit and be redrawn from the ground up. It’s time we force them into the present with our voices, demanding a fair system that doesn’t measure our abilities out of a mere number – 625.

Luke Heffernan is a Leaving Cert student from Avondale Community College in Wicklow.

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    Couldn’t be arsed reading his bull , the comments are more interesting anyway .

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    Dec 1st 2013, 4:12 AM

    Watch out Gilmore ‘New’ labour is coming to get ya……..

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:05 PM

    Gilmore if you told me Christmas was just around the corner I would not believe you…Why,because you have done nothing but lie since you got your power……your a disgrace and don’t have one labour principle in your body.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:38 PM

    Come on now Shane we’ll have no talk of xmas till tomorrow week please.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:42 PM

    Fair enough Pablo..going to ask Gilmore to turn on my lights….there could be sparks..lol

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:49 PM

    That’s a good idea, live brown, neutral blue, earth Gilmore, simple enough to wire, very effective though

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:10 PM

    Too late Gilmore the damage is done.
    Enjoy your pension.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:06 AM

    Don’t forget Damien he might still have the money the workers party made in a basement in their building, the party he was a member of at the time before he joined the democratic left.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 7:03 PM

    Whether you agree or not with their policies, Labour’s biggest mistake was agreeing to be part of a coalition government in a bankrupt country. If they waited and watched by the sidelines they would be the biggest party in the country by a huge margin.

    Truly one of the biggest political blunders in the history in this country.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:22 PM

    Long enough speech but not enough time to explain how his minister gave his wife a 120k job.

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    Dec 2nd 2013, 9:46 PM

    The last Goverment bought a site from the wife d I’d he ever thank Cowan

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:03 PM

    Blah blah blah it doesn’t matter what you say cos ye are busted #nevervotinglabouragain

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:12 PM

    How predictable is this thread going to be.,..

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:16 PM

    Predictable as in,Labour will be history.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:41 PM

    You’re on it,,soyes,it’s going to be predictable!

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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:00 AM

    If not Labour who will you vote for?

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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:24 AM

    Can you suggest anyone ?
    Someone who doesn’t tell lies would be nice.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 1:32 AM

    Fair play…. F€&k Bert

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:28 PM

    Look at Iceland Eamon!
    They told their banks to bugger off and jailed/indicted white collar criminals and wrote off people’s debt of €1.5 billion. They now have about 5% unemployment. That’s a proper Labour government.

    Instead we put ordinary people through the wringer, gave our money and assets away and let our “bankrupt” white collar criminals live it up in plush houses and live on hidden wealth.

    Labour me @rse. A poor mans Fianna Fáil more like.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:43 PM

    Iceland were and are not in the EURO. And they didn’t have the president of the ECB threatening to cut funding for irish banks when we were on the verge of defaulting.

    As for white collar crime. Perhaps your are unaware of the case being painstakingly put together against Sean Fitzpatrick, Willie McAteer and others of Anglo Irish Bank. You seem to delight in just writing off debt, if someone takes out a loan, they have to pay it back. Why should I pay my mortgage when someone else gets a free ride off my hard work? Welcome to the real world. Maybe you are reading too many fantasy stories from Ben Gilroy and hiss Freemen buddies.

    Gosh Matthew, if only it was as simple as you’d like to think.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:45 PM

    So off the wall tired of reading the Iceland comparison. Comparing the Republic of Ireland to a glorified iceberg…..

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:07 PM

    Ireland should never have joined the EU but that’s a different story.
    You think that if a bank loses money in gambling on currency or investments they should not be liable to lose it as well?
    Were you handing over a refund to bond holders or at the top of the queue to do so?

    I’m paying my mortgage as well. But there’s a bigger picture. The Celtic Tiger bypassed a lot of ordinary people.
    Why should they pay? What’s your reason for saying so? Why should someone in debt, through no fault of their own, to say, €150,000, pay back part of the billions of Euro that were flashed around by criminals in this country?

    The investigation into white collar crime in Ireland is probably 4-5 years old now. Going nowhere because the laws aren’t there. Authorities are standing with their mouths open looking at them.

    The simplicity is real. I know how real it is. We were sold out and we’re paying the price for decades to come.

    Now, who’s Ben Gilroy?

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:42 PM

    Yep Dobson. Your insulting arrogance by referring to another country as a ‘glorified iceberg’ indicates you’ll go a long way with Labour. Happily, Labour are going only one way.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:46 PM

    He stood for Direct Democracy in the Meath By-Election, and he seriously annoyed Dobson and his ilk by coming 4th ..

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:51 PM

    If you don’t like Iceland take the example of Dubai.
    They told the banks to piss off when they looked for the country to cover the debts of the DubaiWorld project.
    And off they pissed.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 11:00 PM

    They also voted their version of FF back in.

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    And off they pissed…loved that

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    Will seanie and co do time ??? Not a hope in the the banana republic

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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:50 AM

    5 years later they have a case pending, c’mon, the Yanks had there mess sorted in 6 months, no one gone to jail in this country for this financial melt down

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    Dec 1st 2013, 8:13 AM

    Dane, How right you are couldn’t have put it better myself.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 8:16 AM

    Peter,
    Perhaps you might get one of your legal beaver to explain the difference between the laws in Ireland and those of USA then you might make a more meaningful contribution and see past populists remarks.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 8:47 AM

    Some populist bull$hit on this site comparing us to Iceland and Dubai, 2 countries not even in the euro. Some people love quoting sound bites to please the masses on the journal.ie. what would happen if we told the IMF and ECB to piss off?? It doesn’t bear thinking about? Why don’t we all just keep borrowing money and never pay it back. I mean, if we don’t pay it back, they will keep giving it to us anyway, wont they? coz “everybody loves the Irish”, even if we tell them to “piss off” when they have the nerve to look for their money back! Some clowns around here

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    Dec 1st 2013, 8:51 AM

    Dane, you need to take some anti-delusion tablets. Seriously.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 8:52 AM

    “Quoting sound bites”. Being realistic more like it.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 9:58 AM

    Would you be looking for your money back if you invested in banks…? You must have invested?!

    Ordinary people in arrears? Don’t help them? You seem to prefer your hard earned cash going to fat cat European institutions? Swallowed up into the digital money system.

    Your hard earned cash is going into a black hole. If you’d rather see it go there than to real use at home in Ireland where ordinary people are flat broke then so be it.

    Why should we pay for their mistakes?
    ECB can write it off. It’s purely digits on a screen. ECB control the currency. It’s that simple. We’re being made an example of.

    Put that in your populist pipe and smoke the bejesus out of it.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:12 PM

    After reading that I feel sick. I never felt so much hate and anger for anything in my life as I do for labour.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:41 PM

    Agreed. Despite the generations of my family who contributed to the labour party through union fees being disrespected by Gilmore, I was happy to consider him a workers party blow-in opportunist (along with rabitte) who had weaseled his way to the top of the party of Connolly, but the ovation was the final straw.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:42 PM

    Good chap, Pete. Fianna Fáil brought this country to its knees. Clearly, though your ire should be focused on Labour.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:56 PM

    Labour enabled your party to sign our kids and grandkids into debt servitude vincent/kevin/touchy/eggy etc.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:00 PM

    You just embarrass yourself with that line “werejammin”. Blaming the medicine instead of the disease.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:14 PM

    Kevin the troll.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:36 PM

    Jog on Kevin ye numbnut

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:40 PM

    Ah, Pete. God help ya.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 11:13 PM

    Werejammin
    Solemn declarations from a Shinner!

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    Nov 30th 2013, 11:22 PM

    Poor ritchie all alone

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    Dec 1st 2013, 5:05 AM

    Ah well werejammin sure they found a sucker in you what else were they to do – priceless

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    Dec 1st 2013, 8:52 AM

    Werejammin is a Sinn Fein activist! Pretending that he used to vote labour he never voted anything other than Sinn Fein in his life. Defends Sinn Fein on every single thread on this website without fail. The number 1 shinner hack on the journal!

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:09 PM

    Planet earth is flat
    Ireland is in Asia
    The sun is smaller than the moon
    Honestly, I’m telling the truth.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:04 PM

    One word: spoofer.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:11 PM

    One word LIAR.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:38 PM

    One word wa*****

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    Nov 30th 2013, 11:34 PM

    Three words…

    Why a dick

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    Nov 30th 2013, 11:35 PM

    No no no… That was meant to be

    What a dick.

    Not why.
    Fail.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:56 PM

    We undrstood. No worries!

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:46 PM

    I’d rather iron my ball bag than listen to eamon Gilmore

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    Dec 1st 2013, 3:24 AM

    You don’t care enough so you comment? Irony much

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:04 PM

    Run with the hare and hunt with the hound springs to mind Mr. Gilmore I’m afraid.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:18 PM

    All I got from that speech was:
    “lie, more lies, bit of spoof, we’re great, country destroyed without us, lies, spoof, few more lies, lots more lies, you should all bow before us, more lies.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:05 PM

    Makes me sick. Turncoat.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:11 PM

    No mention of his 500,000 euro field I see.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:19 PM

    I would rather watch the angelus on repeat for five hours than watch five minutes of this lying hypocrite

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:08 PM

    Dick head

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:06 PM

    Has that c%*t Gilmore been on the sauce again?????.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:58 PM

    The Labour party is supposed to represent the working class not just Gillmor’s own beliefs he forgets he came from a union background the working class are fed up with the same retric from him all the time. Resign from government now?

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:06 PM

    Mans a puppet

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:11 PM

    Turnip head.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:51 PM

    Predictive text works correctly in this circumstance. The man is indeed a puppet, hes also a muppet.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 11:22 PM

    Pablo, calling him a Muppet is just an insult to Jim Henson.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:57 PM

    Also a muppet, Mark. Sorry, no offence to muppets intended!

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:23 PM

    Only one thing to say…Eamonn fcuk off pronto!

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:27 PM

    I couldn’t scroll down quick enough to get past that drivel!

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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:29 PM

    He’s right. There definitely won’t be a return to any sort of boom with him in government.

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:21 PM

    Hes there for the money… sell out. Will never vote labour again. And as for the unions they have sold us out as well. …

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    Mute Finbar Walsh
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    Nov 30th 2013, 11:59 PM

    Who will you vote for then?

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    Mute Damian Moran
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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:31 AM

    We should vote for an unemployed person it would set them up for life.
    Jobs for family members big wage plus expenses and a nice pension at the end of it,and let’s face can’t do any worst than the clowns we have at present.

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    Mute Gerry O'reilly
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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:51 PM

    B******t

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    Mute Kevin McCarthy
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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:18 PM

    Yawn!

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    Mute Michael Nagle
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    Nov 30th 2013, 9:47 PM

    Please read the speech.i thought it was brill. At last hope for the future. Labour will be in the next government I have no doubt

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    Mute mitch connors
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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:39 PM

    Ha ha ha ha ha ., good one !! I think it that was a joke … Right ????

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    Mute Mary Kavanagh
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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:59 PM

    You forgot the sarcasm emoticon, Michael!

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    Mute Michael Fallon
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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:24 PM

    That’s great eamon but you’ve lost my vote

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    Mute Tom Daly
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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:36 PM

    Labour is distinct from Fine Gael ,and come next election, they will be extinct like the Greens.

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    Mute Matthew Whelan
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    Nov 30th 2013, 11:15 PM

    If ya told me it was sunny outside,I’d have t check for meself!!!

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    Mute Sheik Yahbouti
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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:26 PM

    Hugh, what is the story? We are entitled to know your political affiliation. Who in the name o Christ would publish the entire of that load of hogwash, whilst conceding that there was no actual substance in it. We, the readers, deserve to know.

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    Mute B
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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:02 AM

    A lot of Labour.ie members in Dublin live in wealthier and nicer parts and they don’t really care about poorer Dubliners. They pretend to care to look good on Twitter and Facebook updates. It makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside. Eamon Gilmore is a TD for one of the wealthiest constituencies in Ireland. Most of the people in his constituency couldn’t care less about poorer Dubliners and poorer Irish people. All they care about is protecting the world they live in.

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    Mute Garry Coll
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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:45 PM

    Pretty much what we knew, the deeds of the country were handed to the banks by Fianna Fail, and then to the Troika when the guarantees were called in.
    Now the Troika will be handing the deeds back to the banks when we exit the bailout program and we as a nation are no further forward, the deeds will be there for the banks to use when they need their next bailout.
    And in their period in government Gilwank and his muppets have done nothing to change that.
    But I suppose to do it a starting point would have been a philosophy of representing the working man and women and those who want to work but can’t because of the economic sh****le we now inhabit.
    Something these windbags abandoned a long time past.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:49 AM

    Horse shit from a donkey !!

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    Dec 1st 2013, 3:45 AM

    Why is Gilmore so fat after all that belt tightening?

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    Dec 1st 2013, 6:17 AM

    Now if only he wrote that himself… buy that would require a brain of some kind. Maybe he’ll meet the tin-man looking for a heart (inda kenny) while they’re “off to see the wizard”, Angela Merkel, next time.

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    Dec 1st 2013, 6:00 AM

    Totally agree with Jono on reading this sh1te. Labour party has totally screwed workers by going along with their lethal weapon fine gaelers. Now they are wanting to climb back…its a tad too late Labour!!!

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    Nov 30th 2013, 10:39 PM

    Ah good old Dane and his hard work!

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    Dec 1st 2013, 3:26 AM

    History will be kind to these great people they restored sovereignty and that fact can never be changed

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    Dec 1st 2013, 4:36 AM

    Gilmore – just go away!

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    Dec 1st 2013, 9:53 AM

    Here is a comment for the labour researchers.
    GILMORE IS AN ARROGANT SMUG BASTARD.

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    Mute Thomas Hannigan
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    Dec 1st 2013, 1:44 AM

    Less said the better,,,

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    Mute Mary Kavanagh
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    Dec 1st 2013, 12:50 PM

    Among all the waffle faffle, one thing stood out for me, when Mr Gilmore said running a country is not that much different from running a home. I can remember very clearly Mrs Thatcher making the same point many times druring her time as Prime Minister. And look what happened in the UK. Industry and manufacturing output- mainly in the North of England – destroyed and two generations of unemployed created at one fell swoop. Thatcherite policies are alive and well here in the Republic.

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    Mute Andrew Dagg
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    Dec 1st 2013, 11:31 AM

    As a member of Fine Gael, I thought it was a superb speech

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