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What do Irish politicians make of calls to 'nationalise' or 'break up' Facebook?

US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez last night said the company should be broken up.

hud-hearing New York Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. PA Images PA Images

THERE IS PERHAPS more focus on Facebook’s dominant position within social media right now than there ever has been. 

For a tech giant used to being in the firing line, last night’s global outage affecting billions and the explosive testimony of a single whistleblower has put even Facebook on the back foot. 

So much so that Facebook’s anti-competitive practices are again in the spotlight, with US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez last night saying that the company should be broken up. 

Ocasio-Cortez reminded her millions of followers that Instagram and WhatsApp were not products of Facebook’s innovation but of acquisition.

Facebook bought WhatsApp for $16 billion in 2014 and bought Instagram for $1 billion two years before that.

Ocasio-Cortez tweeted: 

The influential New York politician wasn’t alone, with People Before Profit TD Paul Murphy tweeting that WhatsApp should be “nationalised” to create “fully public spaces, not private spaces masquerading as public spaces”. 

In response to queries from The Journal today, Murphy said the call to nationalise was a bit tongue-in-cheek but that there are serious questions about how we allow a private company to have so much influence. 

“Our Budget document won’t include an estimate for nationalising Facebook, don’t worry, but the point is that something like 7 billion people around the world out of a total of 8 billion were affected by one private corporation going down,” he says.

Today in the US Congress we’re going to hear evidence from a whistleblower inside Facebook who will say that Facebook knew that their were algorithms were prioritising profits at the expense of causing misery for people.

So I think it does raise a question about the extraordinary power that this one private corporation has, which in effect is now a natural monopoly due to its size.

Yes someone can to go and set up an alternative to Facebook, but if all your friends are on Facebook, or more likely, Instagram or WhatsApp, then there’s not much point in being on it. So we need to see a challenge to the monopoly power of Facebook.

Murphy says that what he and others like him would like to see is “ultimately some form of transnational public democratic ownership”. 

He adds the the question of Facebook’s ownership is not separate to the ongoing debate ongoing data centres in this country: 

It’s linked to the points we made about datacenters last week and that we’re going to vote on it this week. Because these are private companies, their algorithms are private, they don’t publish them. And because they don’t publish them we don’t know much of the activity that’s in the data centres, although we suspect a lot of it is micro-targeted ads.  

federal-trade-commission-calls-for-breakup-of-facebook Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg. PA Images PA Images

Labour’s Ged Nash TD agrees that there needs to be “an ongoing, global conversation” about the influence of global social media firms.

“There is huge power and resources concentrated in the hands of a very small number of tech giants who can dominate the agenda,” he says.

Monopolies in any respect are not good for society, they’re not good for economies. If there were the kind of monolithic organisations we see in the tech world, introduced to, for example, the energy sector or the utility sector or telecoms then the European Union and individual nation states would have something to say about that.

I think that’s a big question that we are going to have to face globally over the next few years. And I think there will be a reckoning in that regard.

Facebook and Google are just two of the tech giants that have their EMEA headquarters in Ireland and Nash says this means that Ireland must be part of the conversation:

It’s never a good idea that any single company or any group of companies could operate what might appear to be a quasi-monopoly or quasi-cartel. It’s not good for competition, it’s not good for business and it’s not good for society either. It’s an ongoing conversation and it’s a conversation that I think we as a State need to be actively involved in given the presence of very large tech giants in this country.

This is something that was ackowledged in the Dáil today by Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Coveney, who said that “there is a responsibility” on Ireland to be part of discussions about what Facebook and other tech giants are doing. 

“I think we should very much be part of this discussion as a country that hosts many of these platforms and of course has a consumer base that uses them all,” Coveney said today. 

Brussels

In his response, Nash made reference to the role of the EU in regulating against anti-competitive practices. 

Earlier this year, the European Commission launched an antitrust probe into Facebook’s use of data gathered from advertisers

“We will look in detail at whether this data gives Facebook an undue competitive advantage in particular on the online classified ads sector… where Facebook also competes with companies from which it collects data,” the EU commissioner for competition, Margrethe Vestager said at the time. 

The EU is also preparing an ambitious law, known as the Digital Markets Act, that will set up special rules for so-called “gatekeepers”, the largely US platforms that dominate the consumer internet.

Speaking to The Journal in Strasbourg today, Fine Gael MEP for Ireland South Deirdre Clune said that last night’s outage was a reminder of just how powerful Facebook is. 

“It’s quite extraordinary to see the extent of the outage and the amount of people that it did affect and then you realise that it’s Facebook, WhatsApp, and Instagram and you see how they’re all interlinked. I think that was a real reminder,” she says.

Clune says the Digital Markets Act and its sister bill the Digital Services Act are about acknowledging that these companies have a huge influence not only on society but on businesses and must be kept in check:

If you’re doing business, the amount of people that do use Facebook to carry out their businesses is extraordinary, we got an insight into that from the outage last night. So really what we want to do is recognise that they’re important and they do play a role but they are very dominant.

In some cases they can stifle innovation, snaffle up businesses, they can just eat up small businesses and that’s not good, it’s anti-competitive. So we want to make sure there’s a level playing field with more transparency and that business users would get a better pitch, they wouldn’t be forced out by any of these platforms.

“If a platform has information about a company, then that should be shared with the company itself. And consumers should know when targeted advertising is being pitched at them,” she adds. 

- With reporting by Gráinne Ní Aodha in Strasbourg

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    Oct 5th 2021, 7:20 PM

    The thing about free apps is, if you’re not paying for the product, you are the product.

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    Oct 5th 2021, 7:21 PM

    @Tom Gleeson: also ads…..a LOT of ads ha

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    Oct 5th 2021, 7:23 PM

    @The Kev in Kevlar: competition is a illusion .

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    Oct 5th 2021, 7:41 PM

    @Tom Gleeson: That’s very true. Probably also true even when you pay in many cases. Open to correction on that though

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    Oct 5th 2021, 7:50 PM

    Little people with a lot of time on their hands. Perhaps they should get a real job like working in a tech company and speaking from experience. Public ownership of everything from housing to enterprise and no clue about how anything works. They would be funny except the Dail is full of them. Sure they want to close down data centers now. The only thing keeping the country afloat is tech and they hate it.

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    Oct 5th 2021, 8:13 PM

    @Michael Drennan: speaking from what experience? experience of management, of sweeping the floors, of working in the call centre? No clue of how anything works? Unlike you? The Dail has several business made millionaires? What wrong with closing down data centres? How much work do they provide, why can’t they be relocated to take pressure off particular areas? The only thing keeping the country going is tech and they hate it? I can only assume this post is either ironic or disingenuous (thereby avoid stating the obvious lol

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    Oct 5th 2021, 10:55 PM

    @Michael Drennan: well check out fancy pants Michael. Must work in tech do you?! *Centres btw.

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    Oct 6th 2021, 10:36 AM

    @Michael Drennan: Real job….. Tech company.. Hahahaha

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    Oct 5th 2021, 7:24 PM

    At this rate the next thing you know people will be calling for public ownership of government, which as all our elected representatives know would be a very bad idea…

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    Oct 5th 2021, 7:43 PM

    I’m not clear on how public ownership would reduce the micro effects of the relevant companies “going down”, as happened yesterday, and seems to have renewed the break-up calls?

    There’s certainly anti-trust questions around Facebook’s practices, but a significant mass of people using a service doesn’t mean it should be nationalized in my view.

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    Oct 5th 2021, 7:21 PM

    Watch how politicians make a balls of this . In the end nobody will touch this with a hot poker here due to corp tax and the employment they create .

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    Oct 5th 2021, 8:46 PM

    @: Silly comment, do you really think the irish state should nationalise Facebook??

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    Oct 5th 2021, 9:49 PM

    @Doug: they couldn’t organise a piss up let alone nationalise . Bad idea and would draw massive condemnation from partners around the world

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    Oct 5th 2021, 9:01 PM

    AOC and Trump are two sides of the one coin. US politics two key poster children – ultra left wing nut and ultra right wing nut.

    AOC constantly spouts non-sense, mainly to be controversial enough to get headlines.
    Such as “famed economist Milton Keynes”… that’s a town in the UK, or when she said she would eliminate “cow farts”, “economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work”, yes she said unwilling to work, or her amazing “It is a physical impossibility to lift yourself up by a bootstrap, by your shoelaces. It’s physically impossible. The whole thing is a joke!”. She believes in non-sense ultra liberal politics that would cost trillions in taxes, all just populism like Trump.

    Like Trump, we shouldn’t be giving AOC any time.

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    Oct 5th 2021, 9:09 PM

    @Local Ore: Which policies of her’s do you not like or is it just that she’s misspoken a few times?

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    Oct 5th 2021, 9:11 PM

    @Vonvonic: hers

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    Oct 5th 2021, 10:20 PM

    @Vonvonic: I support centre left policies in general, so the high level policies she supports are pretty aligned with mine but when it comes to her hardline politics, she suffers from economic illiteracy. The same if it were Trump and moderate centre right supporters.

    Her proposed $2.5TRN per year New Green Deal would require huge tax increases which she massively miscalculated by saying a 70% marginal income tax on $10m would pay for it, although it would only pay $72bn per year…. $2.428TRN shortfall…
    The fact she didn’t understand that the Amazon office in New York wasn’t a cash deal should have really been a red flag for her supporters…
    The $21TRN on pentagon accounting could pay for Medicare for all…. Again, not understand that it isn’t a cash deal…

    Trump is ying, AOC is yang.

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    Oct 6th 2021, 10:26 AM

    @Local Ore: famous economist Milton Keynes: the secret love child of John Maynard Keynes and Milton Friedman.

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    Oct 5th 2021, 7:20 PM

    Nothing is too big to fail…..but competition is king. TikTok was a good newcomer to help challenge!

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    Oct 5th 2021, 8:42 PM

    Usual nonsense from Murphy, he really is a joke of a politician.

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    Oct 5th 2021, 8:41 PM

    This is just wrong on so many levels.

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    Oct 5th 2021, 11:07 PM

    Re nationalise Aer Lingus ans bring back our native sugar industry more importantly.

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    Oct 5th 2021, 9:35 PM

    Facebook is a monopoly there is no competition i see some form of anti trust laws coming into effect.

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    Oct 5th 2021, 8:54 PM

    Media sponsored bulloni!!

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    Oct 6th 2021, 7:28 AM

    Nature limits the size of organisms, herds etc. When something gets too big, it starts to rot from the top down.
    Small is beautiful, break it up!

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    Oct 6th 2021, 11:48 AM

    Yes. That’s the solution. Let’s let a bunch of power hungry, incompetent retired teachers and small time solicitors ( i.e. politicians) do it. Great idea.

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