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‘A cold lesson for farmers’: Panelists say agriculture must lower emissions but sector needs support

The Journal hosted a panel in Athlone this evening to discuss COP26 and Ireland’s role in climate action.

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THE AGRICULTURE SECTOR must lower its emissions to meet climate targets, experts have said, but its workers need to be supported along the way.

At a live event hosted by The Journal, MEP Grace O’Sullivan said that a swerve in agricultural policies have dealt a “very hard and cold lesson for farmers”.

Climate expert Peter Thorne emphasised that although more than a third of emissions come from the agriculture sector, that means the other two-thirds do not – and other sections of society shouldn’t think they can “wash their hands” of it.

As part of The Good Information Project’s cycle on climate, The Journal hosted a panel discussion in Athlone and over a livestream this evening to discuss COP26 and Ireland’s role in climate action.

DCU Professor David Robbins, an expert in the media and climate, led the conversation with climatologist Professor Peter Thorne, MEPs Grace O’Sullivan and Colm Markey, and campaigner Dr Deirdre Duff.

On agriculture, a key – but divisive – sector in climate conversations, most of the panelists believed that significant action is needed to reduce emissions, but that farmers have been let down by the government in the shift away from previous national and European policies.

Thorne, the director of Maynooth University’s ICARUS research centre on climate, said that his “biggest fear is that the conversation [on climate action] becomes all about the farming sector”.

“It is absolutely critical to note that agriculture in totality is about 30 to 35% of our emissions. If the conversation becomes on a sustained basis, all about agriculture, everyone else thinks,‘right I can wash my hands of this, it’s all about agriculture, the farmers get on with it’ – absolutely not,” he said.

“65% of our emissions, the majority of our emissions, is not from the agriculture sector. So let’s have a conversation about those because those are going to be equally challenging.”

He said the number of cows in Ireland should be reduced, but not as a policy in itself -instead, it should happen as the consequence of policies that “lead to that being the logical choice of the farming community by that policy and niche markets providing alternative means of income for the farming community”.

Similarly, Grace O’Sullivan said she think it has been “very difficult for farmers who have, because of policy – not only national, but European policy, the Common Agricultural Policy, that was pushing towards production at any cost, and the cost we see is the cost of people and the cost of planet so that’s a very hard and cold lesson for the farmers”.

“I agree we need to diversify in terms of farming and food production and I also think we need to acknowledge the role and the contribution that farmers and fishers make in producing good food,” she said.

Agriculture is the sector with the highest greenhouse gas emissions in Ireland, making up 35% of national emissions, followed by transport at 20%.

Of agriculture’s emissions, cattle account for almost all of them at around 85%. 

The Climate Change Advisory Council, a panel of climate experts, has advised that reducing the number of cows in Ireland would have a substantial impact in reducing emissions.  

Deirdre Duff echoed that we “can’t blame farmers for having followed the policies that were directing them towards more – more dairy, more beef”.

I think by pushing for policies that are so focused on expansion, we’re in denial that we need to look at herd levels. Nobody is saying we need to cull the national herd – that inflammatory language isn’t helpful at all – but we do need to gradually phase down on the numbers.

“If we’re kind of deluding ourselves that we can kind of engineer our way out of this without reducing numbers gradually and without diversifying, we’re just letting down farmers because it’s mixed messaging if the policies are going one way and where we need to be is going another way.

However, Colm Markey, the former President of Macra na Feirme, said that he believes that change in the agriculture sector is about reducing methane emissions and not “the national herd”

Markey said that we should “focus on the science of how we can find solutions in every sector”.

He pointed to measures such as more efficient use of fertilisers, saying he thinks it’s about methane, not “the national herd”.

“The reality is, we have to reduce our methane, there’s no doubt about that, but there’s ways we can do it by reducing the level of methane within the system, as opposed to this kind of ideology of it’s all about a herd cut,” he said.

“If we believe in science, we believe in research and what we can achieve, by more precision agriculture, by feed additives, by genetics by getting efficiency in terms of a more productivity within the system, the footprint of meeting can be reduced.

“If we can have short supply chains, get greater efficiencies in the system, use the research that we have, I think that’s the road to go, rather than getting caught up in an ideological debate around whether or not we need herd cuts.” 

At a European level, the EU is trying to cut emissions in half by 2030, but they should be trying for zero emissions, Duff said.

She said that “Europe has polluted so much for so long” and it needs to “act a lot quicker than poorer countries who on a historical level have contributed practically nothing”.

Thorne believes the target is “simultaneously too much and not enough” because it’s both challenging to achieve but crucial.

“It’s hugely challenging, it’s nothing short of a revolution in how we live,” Thorne said, but there “will be many positive benefits”.

“We should have started in 1980 when we knew there was a problem – we would have been able to make gradual changes.”

O’ Sullivan said that committing climate finance to developing countries – are following through with it – is key.

“We have to see it happening… This is where we really have to have the legally binding targets and say enough of the blah blah blah.” 

This work is co-funded by Journal Media and a grant programme from the European Parliament. Any opinions or conclusions expressed in this work are the author’s own. The European Parliament has no involvement in nor responsibility for the editorial content published by the project. For more information, see here.

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    Mute David Van-Standen
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    Nov 2nd 2021, 9:35 PM

    It speaks volumes, that the panel had zero representation from the farming community itself, in a discussion about the future of farming and adapting farming practices to reduce carbon emissions.

    Its almost as if those engaged in the debate think that farmers have nothing to say on the issue, or at least nothing that anyone wants to hear..

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    Nov 2nd 2021, 11:28 PM

    @David Van-Standen: colm the MEP IS a farmer

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 12:05 AM

    @David Van-Standen: Mr Markey is a farmer with a dairy herd.

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 8:02 AM

    @David Van-Standen: Time for the man with the peaked cap in Kerry to kick off.

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 12:23 PM

    @David Van-Standen: back the farmers

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    Nov 2nd 2021, 9:33 PM

    This is largely the fault of the EU and our government. CAP encouraged dairy/beef for years and killed off our sugar industry. That was grand until they started making a problem out of “emissions”.

    Back in the day Ireland was self sufficient for all its food. Now it has become a bit of a one trick pony focussing on cattle and a small bit of tillage. The EU should pay for the mess it created, it is not fair to blame the farmers for this

    It’s a bit like encouraging everyone to buy a diesel car and 10 years later when everyone has one start saying diesel is terrible and needs to be taxed and banned

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    Mute Soeren Kuehling
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    Nov 3rd 2021, 2:33 PM

    @Quiet Goer: and the next thing you suggest will be ireland to leave the EU…because it worked out so great for GB…

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    Mute Donal Kearns
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    Nov 2nd 2021, 9:56 PM

    Human population 1980- 4.4 billion
    Human population 2020- 7.75 billion

    Airline passengers 1980- 640 million
    Airline passengers 2019- 4.3 billion

    Cattle population 1980- 1.05 billion
    Cattle population 2021- 1 billion

    There’s definitely a trend worldwide in the sort of things causing climate change. And while every sector including agriculture has a part to play, until
    The real problems can be even mentioned, there won’t be any progress made and they’ll just keep adding carbon tax to everything apart from aviation.

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    Mute Neil Neart
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    Nov 3rd 2021, 8:21 AM

    @Donal Kearns: Non-farmers get hammered with carbin taxes to reduce emissions. Farmers want supports, ie, our taxes to reduce emissions. Whose votes do politicians value most?

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    Mute Hi Hello
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    Nov 2nd 2021, 9:58 PM

    Global warming is a fact, nothing anyone can do about it. It is happening since the beginning of time everywhere was covered in ice one time. What melted the Ice, Global warming. All these people at this meeting in Scotland flew to the meeting and used the most fuel consuming method of transport to have a meeting to tell us we need to use less fuel. That seems very two faced to me when they can do video calls and the like. We are still in a pandemic or does that not affect them. Personally I think this a meeting of corrupt Country leaders so they can put a name on the next tax they will hit us with and they all have the same excuse for that tax.

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    Mute Ned
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    Nov 2nd 2021, 10:45 PM

    @Hi Hello: lowering methane levels by 30% by 2030 hey farmers get ready for a cow fart tax

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    Nov 2nd 2021, 11:41 PM

    @Ned: it’s a cow burp tax.

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 6:38 PM

    @Ned: one of the easiest ways to reduce methane levels is shut the likes of Mehole up

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    Nov 2nd 2021, 9:25 PM

    When the answer to lowering emissions is import import import ! & data energy gulping centres, we all know this is bullsh… or more acutely cow
    Shi…

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    Nov 2nd 2021, 11:22 PM

    Why does all the media coverage of farmers have to be negative? No mention in the article about the absolute leaps and bounds irish agriculture has come on in recent years. More and more science backed efforts to increase production and reduce emissions. So many of our younger farmers are getting educated and setting up the future best practices, all the while a bunch of suits at journal HQ sit around a table and insult them. We need farming to sustain the population, change isn’t going to come through politicians, but from those boots on the ground. Next time you decide to sit around a table and talk about an industry, maybe have a representative from that industry attend.

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    Nov 2nd 2021, 11:43 PM

    @Ross Mc Gann: Easy targets for the blind!

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    Mute Declan Edward
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    Nov 2nd 2021, 10:25 PM

    Meanwhile Ursula Von der Leyen took a private jet to travel 31 miles

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    Nov 2nd 2021, 10:49 PM

    @Declan Edward: bet you would do that for the craic

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    Nov 2nd 2021, 11:34 PM

    While Agriculture emits GHG it is the only sector that sequesters carbon but it suits the politicians and want to be environmental experts to ignore these facts.An acre of wheat will sequester four tonnes of carbon how much does an acre of facebook data centre sequester

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    Nov 2nd 2021, 11:43 PM

    @Tony Brady: explain how an acre of wheat stores 4 tonnes of carbon?

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 12:06 AM

    @David Hynes: all plants need carbon to grow and as it grows it absorbs carbon. Grass sequesters 1.5 tonnes per acre forestry 2 tonnes per acre. I don’t have figures for other plants but as I said all plants flowers hedges and trees need carbon to grow

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 7:59 AM

    @Tony Brady: but you leave out that tillage farms plough the land after each harvest when then releases carbon again.

    I would assume Grass would be higher than tillage, due to not ploughing the land.

    Just want to know where your getting the figures from and not being smart about it.

    Proper measurements are required here, which will show irish farmers are better than feed lot farms, etc, but still all sectors need to reduce massively and every sectors unfortunately blames the other

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 8:48 AM

    @David Hynes: Hi David these figures are from research done on GHG emissions for cereal crops by the National University of Finland. Their research showed total emissions at 700 kg per acre which included sowing,harvesting, fertiliser manufacturing, and all associated transport. They also showed that higher yields absorb more carbon ie a two tonne crop absorbed two tonne carbon and a four tonne crop absorbs four tonnes of carbon
    They also showed the comparisons with grass and forestry

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 8:48 AM

    @David Hynes: Hi David these figures are from research done on GHG emissions for cereal crops by the National University of Finland. Their research showed total emissions at 700 kg per acre which included sowing,harvesting, fertiliser manufacturing, and all associated transport. They also showed that higher yields absorb more carbon ie a two tonne crop absorbed two tonne carbon and a four tonne crop absorbs four tonnes of carbon
    They also showed the comparisons with grass and forestry.

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 8:59 AM

    @David Hynes: Hi David
    These figures are from National University of Finland who researched the GHG emissions of cereal crops. Amazingly no research results by Teagasc. Maybe the longer growing season from sowing to harvest compared to grass accounts for the greater carbon sequestration.regardless both cereals and grass are much better for the environment and the economy than forestry which is being pushed as the solution to our problems.

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 9:53 AM

    @David Hynes: Hi David sorry for the multiple answers. Just a thought all decaying matter releases methane so why has no research being done on how much carbon and methane would be released from an acre of grass if it was allowed to decay rather than feed it to ruminates

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 7:37 PM

    @Tony Brady: devil is in the detail in all of this. Foresty if they consider conifers only which will be cut eventually is totally different in terms of Co2 storage vs native trees/forests left for good
    I work in renewable gases with farmers all the time (in the UK and Europe)..nothing beats taking animal manures and putting it into a digester to make renewable gas and Co2. The digester also produces great organic fertiliser, which will come in handy as the chemical fertilisers are only going one way. This gas can be used to decarbonise transport for example.. farming lobby groups are missing a trick, farmers are the only possible solution to decarbonise every sector

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    Nov 2nd 2021, 11:57 PM

    When are people going to stop believing that reducing cows will be the sole saviours of our climate problems.. I’m pretty sure methane gases come from all living beings.., shall we start trying to reduce the human, monkey, deer to name a few other methane producing animals? or shall we start telling it as it is and try get this problem sorted… I don’t have the answers but my god, reducing oil, coal output could be a start.. but greed and money will win out.. We need farmers all over the world. We will always need food.

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 11:20 AM

    @Patricia O’Reilly: Nobody believes it will be the sole saviour. With a COP agreement to cut methane emissions by 30%, given the urgency of all of this, it seems to be the quickest course of reduction. 80k extra cows in the last year, 90% of dairy produce exported, slurry and fertilizer polluting our rivers daily ( see today’s report in journal.ie) and still the blame is being passed onto other sectors, as well as the E.U. Farmers have to take responsibility for farming and others for their sectors. The carbon footprint directly and indirectly coming from farming is nearer the 60% discussed as opposed to the 35%. Adapting to change is essential. We export products but keep the carbon / methane footprint. Transport of exports will inevitably be curtailed so why will farmers not adapt for the future and divide their farms to benefit more local markets, get rid of growing food for waste. E.G. Over E100m of apples imported each year. Why?? Cosy, non committal conversations (article above) will do nothing for us. We are all going to lose out but the key question is how to minimize our losses and help the vulnerable.

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 11:31 AM

    “The Climate Change Advisory Council, a panel of climate experts,” That statement does not really stand up.
    Marie Donnelly(chairwomen), appointed by Eamon Ryan.
    Laura Burke, Director General of the EPA. Former project manager for Indaver Ireland’s who proposed a incinerators in Ringaskiddy.
    Prof. Dr Ottmar Edenhofer, a professor of the Economics of Climate Change, whatever that means.
    Prof. John Fitzgerald, A professor in Economics at Trinity College Dublin.
    Patricia King, General Secretary of ICTU
    Andrew Murphy, a director at Transport and Environment, a Brussels-based EU-level sustainable transport NGO, where his work focuses on measures to reduce emissions from the aviation sector.
    Julie Sinnamon, Before being a ‘climate expert’ Julie held a number of senior public sector positions, spanning a 30-year career in Enterprise Ireland and IDA Ireland.
    Prof. Peter Thorne, a Professor in Physical Geography
    Prof. Frank O’ Mara, Director of Teagasc
    Eoin Moran, Director of Met Éireann
    Dr Cara Augustenborg, an Environmental Policy Fellow at University College Dublin
    Jillian Mahon, Previously Jillian held senior roles in the National Treasury Management Agency (NTMA)
    Prof. Morgan D. Bazilian, Director of the Payne Institute
    Sinead O’Brien, the Co-ordinator of the Sustainable Water Network
    These are vested interests, government lackies or safe hands who need a role after retirement.

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 8:37 AM

    Climate expert” and “climate and media expert”.

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    Nov 3rd 2021, 5:33 PM

    Agri industry needs support, I’m a paye worker and shelling out close on €50k for an electric car of some sort is near impossible for me I need support to. Grant for slatted units ok then give grants for cars

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