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Biden and Putin square off for two-hour call as Ukraine tensions mount

Putin came into the meeting seeking guarantees from Biden that the Nato military alliance will never expand to include Ukraine.

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN and Russia’s Vladimir Putin have squared off in a two-hour video call as the US president put Moscow on notice that a Russian invasion of Ukraine would bring enormous harm to the Russian economy.

The highly anticipated call between the two leaders came amid growing worries by the US and western allies of a Russian invasion of neighbouring Ukraine.

Putin came into the meeting seeking guarantees from Biden that the Nato military alliance will never expand to include Ukraine, which has long sought membership.

The Americans and their Nato allies said in advance that Putin’s request was a non-starter.

As the US and Russian presidents conferred, Ukrainian officials grew only more anxious about the tens of thousands of Russia troops that have been deployed near their border.

Just hours before the start of the Biden-Putin video call, Ukrainian officials charged Russia had further escalated the smouldering crisis by sending tanks and snipers to war-torn eastern Ukraine to “provoke return fire” and lay a pretext for the potential invasion.

In a brief snippet from the start of the meeting broadcast by Russia state television, the two leaders offered a friendly greetings to each other at the start of what is expected to lengthy talk.

“I welcome you, Mr President,” Putin said, speaking with a Russian flag behind him and a video monitor showing Biden in front of him.

“Good to see you again,” Biden replied with a chuckle. He then quickly noted Putin’s absence from the recent Group of 20 summit in Rome.

The Russian took part in the major gathering of industrial nations by video link only because of concerns about Covid-19 at home.

“Unfortunately, last time we didn’t get to see one another at G20,” Biden said. “I hope next time we meet to do it in person.”

Biden aimed to make clear that his administration stands ready to take actions against the Kremlin that would exact “a very real cost” on the Russian economy, according to White House officials.

“We’ve consulted significantly with our allies and believe we have a path forward that would impose significant and severe harm on the Russian economy,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Monday in previewing the meeting.

“You can call that a threat. You can call that a fact. You can call that preparation. You can call it whatever you want to call it.”

The leader-to-leader conversation -Biden speaking from the Situation Room, Putin from his residence in Sochi – was one of the toughest of Biden’s presidency and comes at a perilous time.

US intelligence officials have determined that Russia has massed 70,000 troops near the Ukraine border and has made preparations for a possible invasion early next year.

Biden was vice president in 2014 when Russian troops marched into the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea and annexed the territory from Ukraine.

Aides say the Crimea episode – one of the darker moments for former president Barack Obama on the international stage – looms large as Biden looks at the current crisis.

The eastward expansion of Nato has from the start been a bone of contention not just with Moscow but also in Washington.

In 1996, when president Bill Clinton’s national security team debated the timing of membership invitations to former Soviet allies Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, Defence Secretary William Perry urged delay to keep Russian relations on track.

Perry wrote in his memoir that when he lost the internal debate he considered resigning.

Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic were formally invited in 1997 and joined in 1999. They were followed in 2004 by Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and the former Soviet states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Since then, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia have joined, bringing Nato’s total to 30 nations.

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    Dec 7th 2021, 10:36 PM

    No, you hang up first. Net! You hang up first!

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    Dec 7th 2021, 11:16 PM

    @Hugh Morris: good one lol

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    Dec 7th 2021, 11:00 PM

    ‘Errr Mr. President…’ ‘Yes, what is it?’ ‘We haven’t switched on the monitor yet!’ ‘Then who in the name of Kamala have I been squaring off against?’ ‘That’s your reflection Mr. President…’ ‘Dammit, I thought I had him right where I wanted him. He looked so tired and beaten looking. Who is that guy?’

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    Dec 7th 2021, 11:00 PM

    @William Tallon: Brilliant

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    Dec 7th 2021, 11:02 PM

    @William Tallon: it’s the cabinet’s shadow

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    Dec 8th 2021, 12:43 AM

    Well, at least the US did not buy into Russia’s threats. Time to wait for Russia’s announcement that Ukraine attacked them or Luhansk/Donetsk, and they have no choice but to start active war against Ukraine to defend their people. They gave out Russian passports to nearly one million people in that region in the last 6 years, hoping to repeat their game in South Ossetia in 2008.

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    Dec 8th 2021, 11:18 AM

    @Clay Pigeon: I don’t think “Russia’s threats” is quite the right way to look at it. Ukraine is on the Russian border. Imagine if this were Russia inviting Mexico or Canada into a mutual defence pact, bordering the USA. This is playing out on Russia’s doorstep, a place from which they can not escape peacefully. If your viewing time-frame is days, the “threat” is Russian; but if your time-frame is anything longer, the threat to peace comes from NATO.

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    Dec 8th 2021, 3:33 PM

    @Fachtna Roe: So Russia doesn’t pose a long term threat? A corrupt authoritarian regime right beside the EU not a threat? If it weren’t for Putin and pals, there’d be no need for NATO. Also, when did Russia seize Crimea? Days ago was it?

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    Dec 8th 2021, 5:00 PM

    @Clay Pigeon: they gave out passports to people who consider themselves Russian

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    Dec 8th 2021, 11:18 PM

    @Bill Spill: Check out the Concert of Europe. And no, ABBA didn’t perform at it.

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    Dec 8th 2021, 4:23 AM

    The timing of an invasion of Ukraine with a Chinese invasion of Taiwan in early 2022 is highly likely as there is no way a weak President , the oldest in US history , will be able to respond in any meaningful way . The times they are a changing ….

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    Dec 8th 2021, 7:12 AM

    @Tony Duffy: How incredibly ageist of you.

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    Dec 8th 2021, 10:19 AM

    @Tony Duffy: you fo know that he wouldn’t be actively engaging with the Russians or Chinese right? Just giving an order.

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    Dec 7th 2021, 11:12 PM

    The sexual tension between them is palpable

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    Dec 7th 2021, 11:40 PM

    @Adam Rekio: ya Putin will ride him sideways!

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    Dec 7th 2021, 11:41 PM

    @Adam Rekio: ya Putin will ride him sideways

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    Dec 7th 2021, 10:55 PM

    America land of the gun

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    Dec 8th 2021, 7:42 AM

    Isn’t the us defense budget up for a vote, big up a BS security bogey man for more money,
    And remember this is the team in the state department that brought us Libya Yemen and Syria

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    Dec 8th 2021, 10:28 AM

    @Pablo Lord: US got Russia to mass troops on Ukraine border so they could win a budget vote?

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    Dec 8th 2021, 1:10 PM

    @Bill Spill: One needs a worthy boogeyman to justify a huge budget. One could not really justify buying new high tech, including stealth weaponry, if one was confronting the enemy such as they have been concentrating on in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere where the enemy was in small groups and armed with small arms. Big budgets need big enemies that pose (real or fictitious) threats to one’s security.

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    Dec 8th 2021, 1:53 PM

    @Bill Spill: One of the recent political absurdities in Europe was a stage-managed photo sequence of Britain’s foreign minister Liz Truss posing boldly but comfortably with her head and shoulders poking out of the turret of a British army tank. The pathetic charade took place in Estonia, close to Russia, when she visited British troops deployed there as part of the U.S.-Nato buildup along Russia’s western frontier. She was on her way to attend a meeting of foreign ministers of the U.S.-Nato military alliance held on November 30 in Riga, the capital of Latvia, some 300 kilometres from Russia

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    Dec 8th 2021, 3:35 PM

    @Pablo Lord: So you won’t answer my question? How about this: was that photo of Truss taken before or after Russia annexed Crimea?

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    Dec 8th 2021, 3:37 PM

    @George Vladisavljevic: With China on the scene as an actual potential superpower (Russia is not), US definitely doesn’t need Russia as a boogeyman at all. One would think.

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    Dec 9th 2021, 10:33 AM

    @Bill Spill:Bush put offensive missiles in Romania in 2004, told Russia they were aimed at Iran,
    Crimea voted to leave Ukraine in 1990 and 1996 or so, that’s 3 referendum in under 30years so they wanted out, also Ukraine was spilt down the middle by the austro Hungarian empire and imperial Russia the west Christian the eastern half orthodox like Belarus the western half are poles the eastern Russian, after the end of first world war Eastern Europe stayed in conflict peoples and borders stayed in flux, through out the revolutions and civil wars, many of the boarders where drawn up in Moscow,

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    Dec 8th 2021, 1:01 AM

    You’re on mute

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    Dec 8th 2021, 7:25 AM

    US will lead the charge and like in all other actions, will suffer no consequences.

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