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The Daily PollIT’S A LOT of people’s favourite meal of the year and it’s now just three days away.
Many aspects of Christmas dinner are the subject of intense debate; how many types of spuds should there be? Cranberry sauce or redcurrant jelly? Leg or breast? To sprout or not to sprout?
However, one thing we can all agree on is that there’s only one right time for the festive feast and anyone who eats outside that window is very odd indeed.
So, today we’re asking: What’s the correct time for Christmas dinner?
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God love anyone commuting along the Malahide road
@Ciaran Whyte: The Dart will take the strain?
@Kieran Daly: I’m surprised at the amount of units but the area is well serviced.
@Ciaran Whyte: I used to commute along the Malahide Road from Northern Cross to the Southside. Plenty of capacity for more to commute along it. Bit more difficult on the way back home going uphill but you manage.
@Kieran Daly: What dart stops exactly? Only Killester and Clontarf are close at all on sections of this road. But neither are anywhere near clongriffin.
The load will go to Dublin Bus.
I commute 4 stops prior to clongriffin and most busses are full from 8:00 to 8:30 with school kids
More ‘X’ express busses are needed that dont stop at schools, to reserve a certain amount of busses for those travelling to work
Busses are arriving half empty to town because the school kids get off before fairview, it’s not efficient at all
@Vin: clongriffen has a dart/train station in a previous Gannon development
@Vin: there’s a dart station in clongriffin and it’s about a 15/20 minute walk from Howth Junction Donaghmede. More needs to be done to add amenities in that area though and there needs to be more security around the area. The windows and the ticket machines in the station are constantly smashed up.
@Vin: clongriffin dart Station will take some of the slack. But its optimistic thinking to think the main road won’t take the worst of it.
Still, traffic is better than housing crisis
@Ciaran Whyte: The 15 bus is very frequent into town from Clongriffin. Every 15 minutes from after 6am. Slows down after 9am and theres the dart as well. Clongriffin is a sort of established area, few more amenities and the place will be buzzing.
@Ciaran Whyte: in all fairness MR is actually OK compared to a south side routes. But this will definitely put a strain on local infrastructure.
@Oisín O’Connor: Once you hit Artane it starts to pile up. I live in Clongriffin and there’s space here but infrastructure needs to go with it. Roads are already packed. Darts and buses are wedged.
17 stories high did you say? Ah Ballymun 2.0
@LUCY Thomas: why? You have many cities with high rises and they are doing well
@LUCY Thomas: Nothing wrong with Ballymun it is only a handful of scu&$bags who destroyed it for everyone and DCC did nothing but run it into the ground for years and years .The FLATS as they were called were a fantastic place to grow up,A fantastic opportunity for families. If they had been in howth or malahide they would apartments of real worth .The same is happening in every built up area, No facilities for the young people growing up No clubs ,nothing to keep young people busy .And parents not knowing where their children are ,or what they are doing
@OwenK74: The problem with Ballymun was never ‘no facilities for young’. They have better facilities than most. The problem was the flats were overcrowded with people that didn’t give a damn about their homes because they don’t own them. Mostly unemployed with nothing better to do with their time than make more babies. They also expected just to sit on their asses and wait for the council to fix everything and took no responsibility for anything. Nothing more than a Ghetto.
@OwenK74: they made the flats and moved people from the city centre out to ballymun and overcrowded an area with people from troublesome areas. It’s that simple. I’m a ‘ballymuner’ by the way. The idea wasn’t the problem, it was who they planned to put there before it was even built. Ever see people comment on shooting articles and what not, they say “put them all on an island and let them fight to the death” well yeah that was what ballymun really was but less dramatic of course, or maybe not less dramatic. I’ll argue a great community here though!
@Michael Evans: ignorant fool
@LUCY Thomas: it wasn’t the hight of the towers that caused the issue in Ballymun.
@Michael Evans: they were overcrowded but nowadays people only have one to two children so two or three bed apartments are fine.
@SC: they were massive apartments there was no overcrowding do is just a chronic shortage of jobs and facilities. And then the council started selling houses so all of the families who wanted to buy left and transferred into a house. because of this mistake all that was left were people who need support and that percentage grew and grew until the entire area failed it was a lack of government funding and support. I grew up there and I studied architecture in college I’ve researched what happened.
@SC: they were massive apartments there was no overcrowding do is just a chronic shortage of jobs and facilities. And then the council started selling houses so all of the families who wanted to buy left and transferred into a house. because of this mistake all that was left were people who need support and that percentage grew and grew until the entire area failed it was a lack of government funding and support. I grew up there and I studied architecture in college I’ve researched what happened.
@sue: The answer is to build high. It would help the housing shortage. Many counties have 20 or more floors.
I see the NIMBYs are on here feeling sorry for themselves again. Families are sleeping on the streets because there are no homes for them, while you are worrying the new homes might mean it takes a few minutes longer to drive to work.
@Cormac Harrington: and you think the homeless families can afford these places? They will be for rent at €1800 for 3 bed and for sale at €450,000 for a 3 bed. 17 story building that far outside the city is a joke. If you had 17 stories of apartments in the city mainly of 2 beds then all the young free and single could live in the city and free up houses in the commuter towns where schools are etc.
@Peter O Donnell: same argument every time you can’t just build for homeless it’s not how it works. You add housing stock and people move according to their own circumstances so people may move house into these more expensive places freeing up their existing accommodation. People with young families move out of apartments and into houses and smaller units become available. How do you think an area with property just for homeless would be perceived by society?
@Peter O Donnell:
It is more than likely that when this site is developed Gannon will sell it on to a German/US investment firm who in turn will lease it long term to the county council for social housing. Happened recently in a brand new development in Dundrum.
@Peter O Donnell: 450k for a fkin apartment in north Dublin lmao….. I’d rather live in a tent.
@Peter O Donnell: I was thinking of social housing. The government urgently has to build 100 + social housing and apartments not to make greedy developers fatter
Homeless this homeless thats non stop on journal but as soon as an announcement about any kind of development it switches to roads traffic congestion and the flipping height !!! If theirs a shortage of houses build houses and stop cribbing about reasons for it not to be built.
@Colm Curran: Colm, from the description given it is likely that a very small number of these new home will go to homeless families. Also the number of build to rent units is disproportionate as it seems to be in all new estates these days. One of the objectors mentioned that a transient population, as young renters generally are, will not lend to the stability of the area. And yes, there is room for housing development in that area, only for the ten year recession it would have been built on well before now.
@Siobhan O’Sullivan Morrin: it will free up other houses and apartments that were occupied and homeless families can move in there
@Siobhan O’Sullivan Morrin: houses are houses when their is a dire shortage. While they may not b goin to homeless nevertheless they are still badly needed and should provide a knock on effect
Areas a disaster with traffic and Public transport as it is, roads already can’t cope with current situation and no chance of a school or anything needed for a larger population being built
@Pádraic: How can these decisions be made without the lack of transport? Oh, this is a political decision by FFG who don’t care about the people on the northside
@Pádraic: there’s a Dart station in Clongriffen
As a resident of Grangeabbey Estate. Namely the road and drive we’ve become prisoners of Gerry Gannons industrial greed. We have one exit onto an increasingly busy hole in the wall road which is totally congested in the morning and evening traffic rush due in no small measure to a ludicrously developed roundabout with 5 sets of traffic lights controlling the flow. I’m appealing through this forum for local politicians and public reps to take heed now and stop the madness of greedy developers devouring Green spacev without due consideration for existing residents in enclosed estates within the northfrnge.. We know housing is badly needed but not when it’s detrimental to existing communities. Proper Infrastructure is urgently needed.
Gammon one of golden circle that contributed to the downfall of Anglo Irish Bank and never had to pay back one cent. Just another cog in a corrupt COUNTRY.
That’s some turn around in 2 years, If only it was a easy for others.
https://www.thejournal.ie/gerry-gannon-homes-debt-3-3739917-Dec2017/
Can dublin fire brigade reach to 17 floors in case of a fire???
@Atlas’ burden:
I’m sure they can ask for advice from literally any other country on how to do this…
@Atlas’ burden: I would imagine they would take the learnings and fire safety from every other developed country in the world and build accordingly
@Atlas’ burden: that’s it stop all building till we measure the ladders
@Atlas’ burden: Good point. Great point. I don’t think many people would want the last resort to be a helicopter hovering over a built-up area either. Mind you, the apartment block behind the Metro Hotel was well built from a fire-fighting point of view. So long as they don’t cut corners; after all, we’re not in a boom situation where people end up buying sight unseen off plans…
Like every other story about a development this one will have endless comments about how the area cannot take more houses/flats and that they’re gonna be longer in the car…….
I’m alright Jack. NIMBYs……every story the same. And then every amenity planned gets: But what about the homeless?
Gannon a bailed out developer….. who built shoddy homes… resurfaces…
His company wilfully allowed Belcamp College a building of historic significance go to ruin……..
Im sure him and his company has use in his thought….
One should check out the company Walls also who first purchased the site…. Not complaining its just stating the obvious that this is one corrupt country
The traffic and facilities in that area are already past capacity. This is going to break it beyond repair.
Glad I’ve moved out of there
Half are build to rent.
You’ll See the difference in 2003 house with garden to the 2/3 bed family shoe box, apartment with balcony. New living, ….modern,,,,,, fresh.
@Albert Brennerman:
With 11% of homes as apartments in the country compared to a european average of over 50% I think people are deserved the choice where they want to live.
@Albert Brennerman: under the new apartment guidelines brt developments say that they must be rented out for a minimum of 15 years through an institutional landlord and after that they can do what they like
Loied in one of his new build ‘’luxury” is apartments in malahide and lost half my wardrobe and developed breathing difficulties (prescribed an inhaler) due to sh***y building.
Careful now.
Good to hear.. But God almighty, will they now do something about the flipping Donaghmede roundabout. More lights on it than a Christmas tree..
Build to rent!
Build to rent!
Build to rent!
Seems to be a recurring theme with all these new builds, nobody allowed to buy a new build anymore, landlords paradise!!!!
@Brendan Hoey: Read the 2018 apartment guidelines to understand what build to rent actually means ..
The public have a choice. They can choose to live closer into Dublin, buy in an area with known traffic problems or buy a new unit from a risky builder. Nobody is forced to buy an apartment. I am a renter but am not transient and am quiet and boring as hell. We need more housing, people! The housing we need for homeless people is social housing, another category.
@Rathminder: if there were more homes the prices would fall. There is a cohort of working poor who are homeless because wages don’t cover rent anymore and they would benefit from any further developments, public or private. And public housing would easily attract professionals these days.
Everywhere along the rail lines can take more capacity. I hope the government is practicing joined up thinking and ordering trains and carriages while zoning these areas for high rise. The Maynooth line is half empty space- lots of potential for new towns there.
@SC: They’ve only recently ordered new stock even though the trains have been.overcrowded for years now. Due to arrive from 2021. Sounds like they need to order more if the developments continue.
“They haven’t gone away ya know”——The developers I mean!
I wonder how will those who bought houses in the area now benefit from the towers blocking the sun on their solar panels!!!
Loied in one of his new build ‘’luxury” apartments in malahide and lost half my wardrobe and developed breathing difficulties (prescribed an inhaler) due to sh***y building.
Careful now.
The boom just got boomier baby… ye haw..
Great, more cars on the m1 coming from the north, driving down the rates even more, I’m a bricklayer and it’s a disgrace what’s going on out there atm, and our government seems to awarding more and more Uk based companies for a vast amount of projects in the south, really good thinking yea, absolutely disgraceful
Who is going to build the school ?? NO ONE WILL
….Of course the land will revert back to what it was going to be in the first place BUILD TO RENT UNITS
Leave the green area around the water pump. 17store block is too high and too close to the train rail station. Is not fair todistroy the nature by overcrowding this area not fair for the residents. Betty build up a new school and allow space for the school garden. Make a tennis pitch or a kids park instead
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