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'There is nothing to cure': France bans conversion therapy

New legislation includes criminal penalties for people who are convicted of trying to ‘convert’ LGBTQ people to heterosexuality.

FRANCE HAS A new law that bans conversion therapies and authorises jail time and fines for practitioners who use the scientifically discredited practice to attempt to change the sexual orientation or gender identity of LGBTQ people.

The National Assembly approved the new law unanimously, voting 142 to 0 yesterday evening.

The legislation includes criminal penalties for people who are convicted of trying to “convert” LGBTQ people to heterosexuality or traditional gender expectations.

The law also opens the possibility for campaigners to file civil suits on behalf of victims, an advance hailed in parliament as a breakthrough for people who hesitate or are unable to alert police themselves.

Politician Laurence Vanceunebrock, who helped steer the law’s passage through parliament, said it would target “all those who equated an identity or a sexual orientation with sickness”.

“There is nothing to cure,” she told the National Assembly.

The French government’s equalities and diversity minster, Elisabeth Moreno, described conversion therapies as “barbaric” and told politicians that the suffering they inflicted “very often leaves permanent marks on bodies and minds”.

Under the new law, sustained efforts “that aim to modify or reprimand sexual orientation or gender identity” and which impact the physical or mental health of victims are punishable by up to two years in jail and €30,000 in fines.

The punishment can increase to three years’ imprisonment and fines of €45,000 for attempts involving minors or other particularly vulnerable people.

Therapies to change a person’s sexual orientation are already prohibited in multiple US states and the US Caribbean territory of Puerto Rico.

The law will take effect in the next 14 days with President Emmanuel Macron’s signoff.

Mr Macron hailed the legislation’s passage, tweeting: “Let’s be proud of it. Because being oneself is not a crime.”

Currently in Ireland,  research into the practice of conversion therapy is being carried out before progressing plans to outlaw the controversial practice.

The delay in banning the practice in the Republic, a commitment contained in the Programme for Government, comes after it was decided that research is needed to determine how prevalent it is, and in what settings it occurs, before legislating to ban it. 

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    Mute Eddie O'shea
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:33 PM

    Lets hope their offspring stay and play for the Irish team

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    Mute Toddimus Maximus
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:37 PM

    “But they’d strip away our culture and our irishness and all”

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    Mute DonalC
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:40 PM

    Who needs Brazilian offspring when you’ve got the next generation of Whelans and McShanes on the way

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    Mute Ronan Stokes
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:44 PM

    Todd, are you taking the p155? have you seen the Irish team lately!?!? Ta failte romhat!!

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    Mute Mike Cantwell
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:45 PM

    They won’t strip away yours Todd , don’t worry

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    Mute ÉireBlood
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:51 PM

    Yea because that’s all we value people for, what their offspring can do for us….

    How about we have our own Irish people playing for their own country, Ireland beat Brazil before, why would we want to import people simply as a short term quick fix solution to any problems we have in this country, why not create the long term solution to our own people sorting out our own problems and being a nation who are the best in the world???

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    Mute Toddimus Maximus
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:59 PM

    You’re right Mike. I’m Irish this good few years now, no turning back

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    Mute ÉireBlood
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:02 PM

    Irish students and renters…..business-class say be quiet, if you can’t get accommodation and have to quit your course, business-class say tough sht, more cheap labour, under the tree convenience

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    Mute Jamsey
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:12 PM

    DonalC, thanks for taking one for the team and volunteering to “hit” the Irish booty.

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    Mute Startled Sapien
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:27 PM

    Yes Eire, est eine foreigners.

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    Mute ÉireBlood
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    Oct 21st 2015, 12:21 AM

    don’t think you can use the German meme Sapien, they have clearly shown they are willing to give their whole country to foreigners, and extinct themselves, hmm, maybe you can get them on being racist to themselves….

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    Mute Peter Buchanan
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    Oct 21st 2015, 6:56 AM

    soccer team….

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    Mute Garwig
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:37 PM

    And They continue to get shafted on second rate English courses In shambolic colleges.

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    Mute Ronan Stokes
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:58 PM

    In fairness, the whole thing is a farce. Its a fiddle.

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    Mute Mer Curial
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:31 PM

    They have nice big booty.

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    Mute mike litoris
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:43 PM

    More Brazilian women please.

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    Mute Toddimus Maximus
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:44 PM

    Doubt you’ll pull regardless mate

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    Mute mike litoris
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:10 PM

    Ah sure we’re not all as hot as you toddy.

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    Mute Toddimus Maximus
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:15 PM

    Good point well made

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    Mute Stephen Cullen
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:22 PM

    You wouldn’t be able for one Mike, she’d eat you for breakfast.

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    Mute little jim
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:27 PM

    Poor old Mike, he just wanted a Brazilian.

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    Mute Seán Ó hAodha
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:50 PM

    The Brazilians are always welcome here. They work hard and never bother anybody. Fáilte lands and especially lassies! :-)

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    Mute ÉireBlood
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:55 PM

    No people are welcome here if it means Ireland is no longer Ireland, and that is where we are headed. Would you say the same about Brazil if they allowed the same numbers of people from all over the world which meant Brazil in the long term no longer was Brazil?

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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:13 PM

    avoid question at all costs

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    Mute Jamsey
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:35 PM

    EireBlood if it were up to you the entire country would be an inbred as an Orange Order march….

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    Mute Conor Murphy
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:55 PM

    Eire. We literally have the higher rates of lots of diseases including cystic fibrosis and coeliac diease because we had no immigrants for centuries. Fifteen years of an approaching decent genepool and your worried? Calm yourself.

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    Mute ÉireBlood
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    Oct 21st 2015, 12:27 AM

    “We had no immigrants for 15centuries” except you multiculters keep telling us we are a nation of immigrants, ye know, vikings, normans, etc.

    Btw, we seemed to do exceptionally well for a small country, developing Newgrange when we were even more homogenous, coming up with all those artworks you see in the museum when we were more homogenous, being a nation that reeducated Rome etc, and still providing grade A scientists. writers etc. Not bad for a genepool you like to criticise. In any event, we had enough variety here amongst our own, for natural mutation to allow difference in variation for each future generation. Yet none of you dare say the same about any non-white ethnic group, the hypocrisy from you.

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    Oct 21st 2015, 12:32 AM

    jamesy, orange order are enemy of national socialism, as were all freemasons. Educate yourself. As stated if it were up to me, I would have a nation of Irish people, like any person who loves their own people, and does not hate his own people enough to insult them and want to see them destroyed, enough population which we had, ensures our mutation rate enables negligeable problems with each generation. The hypocrisy and ignorant snobbery from the new pious multicult church congregation is pathetic, you decry the catholic church and what you call fascists, yet you behave exactly the same way as these terms and ideas you sneer at.

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    Mute Ronan McDermott
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    Oct 21st 2015, 3:03 AM

    Go to sleep you clown

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    Mute Pete Gibson
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    Oct 21st 2015, 4:20 AM

    “Hi-Brazil” was a legendary island the ancient Irish believed lay far out in the Atlantic beyond the horizon.
    It was marked on most medieval maps. The Portugese named Brazil after it.
    So,in a way, the Brazilians are really Irish.

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    Mute Patrick J O'CONNOR
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    Oct 21st 2015, 7:25 AM

    @Pete Gibson. Good points Pete. Originally ‘Port of the Gael’ or Portugal nowadays was inhabited by Celtiberians. That’s probablywhy they fit in so nicely here. And the current crop are like flowers that bloom throughout the year making Ireland a delightful place for girl-watching. Braz.restaurants are terrific for food and atmosphere.
    Obligado Brazil!

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    Oct 21st 2015, 7:47 AM

    I think you didn’t get enough hugs as a child

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    Mute Patrick J O'CONNOR
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    Oct 21st 2015, 9:27 AM

    @Fargo Boyle. I don’t need any from you Fargo!

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    Oct 21st 2015, 9:33 AM

    Patrick-Was replying to Eire Blood and not your good self. Eire Blood needs help. God bless the little keyboard racist. Sits in his dingy little home, eating beans out of a tin whilst watching Mississippi burning. What an awful gob shoite. He is the real parasite here.

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    Mute Paid_Shill
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    Oct 21st 2015, 12:24 PM

    Eire bloody – just wondering where the people who build Newgrange came from? Did they just evolve there in the fertile land of Meath?

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    Oct 21st 2015, 12:57 PM

    @EireBlood

    Repeating the same nonsense over and over again does not make your moronic statements any more credible.
    I get the fact that you are afraid of any foreigners no matter where from and that you embrace even the most vile elements of society as long as they are pure Irish!

    Conclusion: You are a lonely little fool, probably from an inbred family who has nothing achieved in life , with severe IQ issues and irrational hatred towards everything non-Irish! In other words a sad, deluded idiot!
    Why don´t you leave the country? I bet you and your family have never contributed anything to Ireland and the Irish!

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    Mute Patrick J O'CONNOR
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    Oct 21st 2015, 5:16 PM

    @Fargo Boyle. Thanks for your comment Fargo. Was my mistake as I was into my 2nd Japanese sake. Hopefully there’ll be another photo on FB from my young Braz. lady acquaintance to brighten my day.
    Have a great day and night!

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    Mute Melissa Orr
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    Nov 21st 2015, 10:46 AM

    I´m loving all this comments about Brazilian people, food, and all!!!! that is great!!!!

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    Mute mark
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:29 PM

    kilos of cocaine….. :-)

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    Mute Danny Mike Hennessy
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    Oct 21st 2015, 7:22 AM

    Ya and all the Irish like myself are drunk the whole time, just like you when you made that idiotic comment.

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    Mute ÉireBlood
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:52 PM

    Keep bringing in more foreigners who eventually end up staying here, and Ireland is no longer Ireland

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    Mute Toddimus Maximus
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:00 PM

    You’ll still be Éire, blood

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    Mute Nick Caffrey
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:03 PM

    It’ll still be Ireland; just with a more healthy gene pool and a broader outlook. Come the day!

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    Mute ÉireBlood
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:17 PM

    You mean the unhealthy gene pool that built newgrange and the boyne valley geo-astrological precision monuments? Or the unhealthy backward Irish gene pool that led to the finest gold artifacts and artworks in Europe, or the island of saints and scholars, or being able to beat any other country in any sport at some stage or another…..would you say Brazilians are backward given the ratio of rich vs poor and child homlessness and crime on their streets, with the infamous street children or favelas? Or the rate at which they are destroying the Amazon?? What other non-white ethnicity would you ever dare say that their gene pool needs to be more than what they already are…..you wouldn’t because you are an anti-white hating hypocrit

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    Mute Toddimus Maximus
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:43 PM

    #rantover

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    Mute Louis Eivers
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:52 PM

    Yeah, we should prevent the Brazilian govt from sponsoring their students to come here and become educated “coming here, spending their money, pppfff”. Get a grip will you!!

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    Mute The Dude
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:59 PM

    @Eire – In fairness Eire, I would say the greatest treat to Ireland and Europe is coming from the Islamic East now. This article is clearly an attempt to deflect attention away from that.

    Brazilians at least come from a Judeo Christian heritage. Also it’s fair to say that many Brazilian are white European in origin – just as many Argentinians are Irish in origin.

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    Oct 21st 2015, 12:02 AM

    Those who built Newgrange and other monuments were pre-Celtic. We are savage invaders!

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    Oct 21st 2015, 1:28 AM

    Adolescents who self-identify as more than 1 race are at higher health and behavior risks.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/

    complexes of genes co-evolve in a population, acting harmoniously with one another to produce a high level of fitness. Different isolated populations may evolve different complexes of genes that interact well within a particular population, but poorly when the genes are mixed through cross-population matings”

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    Mute ÉireBlood
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    Oct 21st 2015, 1:32 AM

    Gordon, you miss the point completely, those who built Newgrange were far more homogenous than us. Also they were white. The celts were white and despite the different waves of Celts who came, the populace of this island has remained largely a gaelic (both pre-celtic and celtic peoples) populace, even despite the addition of other WHITES like the Germanic peoples.

    You also try to ignore the fact that whites are genetically from the same family tree, more similar and like each other. Also the celts that came in later waves, were also neighbours of germanic peoples, who would have had some level of inter-relations, so even when the Germanic tribes came later, they did not add anything massively different to what we already were.

    Trying to compare that with africans and asians coming here, is ridiculous, peoples who are genetically and culturally nothing to do with us.

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    Oct 21st 2015, 1:37 AM

    Sure dude, many are white, but the majority are not, most are the mix of African and South American non-European DNA, that is just a fact, they hardly resemble the Irish, there is no reason we cannot oppose all mass-immigration, both islamic and anything else, why do we have to settle on this country not serving the people of this country alone? This is our country, what is the point of having a country if it does not benefit the Irish. I want to see an Irish people, an Irish culture, not something that looks like you will soon see in every corner of the planet, the multicults talk about diversity yet what they support will mean the end of racial and global diversity. They talk about wanting a global monoculture

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    Oct 21st 2015, 2:45 AM

    If a healthy gene pool is a reflection of how a country and its economy perform then why are so more Brazilians coming to Ireland and not the other way around? It’s typical stupid mantra you’d expect to hear from multicultists.

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    Mute Micheal S. O' Ceilleachair
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    Oct 21st 2015, 4:11 AM

    Agus tá súil agam go bhfuil Gaeilge agat?

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    Mute Pete Gibson
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    Oct 21st 2015, 1:04 PM

    ” geo-astrological precision monuments ”
    ?
    geo-ASTRONOMICAL maybe.
    Methinks you read too much Mystic Meg EireBlood.
    Are you a Cancer?

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    Mute Joseph Blocks
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:59 PM

    I for one welcome our Brazilian overlords.

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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:53 PM

    Brazilians with Brazilians.

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    Mute Toddimus Maximus
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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:04 PM

    Brazilian nuts, or Brazilians nuts

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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:33 PM

    8,883 were Brazilian.

    I Hope they enjoy the club scene here.

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    Mute An Lámh Láidir
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    Oct 21st 2015, 2:05 AM

    It’s all just a great big carnival isn’t it? We have hardly enough resources to look after our own yet we flood the country each day with more and more cheap labour. Ireland is on course to becoming the first ethnicity in Europe to be eradicated by mass migration. Resident permits and citizenship are handed out here like confetti. Come the day when this is stamped out in its entirety!

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    Oct 21st 2015, 5:23 AM

    eh….sweden!

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    Oct 21st 2015, 5:58 AM

    You’re so far off here with lack of knowledge & information it’s kinda funny. You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about

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    Mute mcgoo
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    Oct 20th 2015, 10:32 PM

    The timing of this article is pretty poor.

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    Oct 20th 2015, 11:58 PM

    Students will be cold this winter in big numbers.

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    Oct 21st 2015, 12:35 AM

    Very welcome and the women are much better than what we have here

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    Mute ÉireBlood
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    Oct 21st 2015, 1:38 AM

    bllx, Irish women are great, if you want a Brazilian then go to Brazil.

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    Oct 21st 2015, 6:00 AM

    Wait till the commenters here realize that ending direct provision of refugees will cost tens of millions after the tax payer has to pay to house them etc!!!

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    Oct 21st 2015, 2:17 AM

    Can natives of colonial countries be expected to believe that their ancestors were displaced because of multculturism? Of course not. But soon enough we’ll be thought that when multicultists have their way.

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    Oct 21st 2015, 11:25 AM

    Bad thing is that so many of them pay high rents in room share. Asked to work long hours as nanny’s. Some people are taking advantage. Then they have to pay huge money to re new their visa. I have lots of Brazilian friends and have heard horror stories.
    They do enjoy integrating with the locals and are well up for the craic.
    So all i can say is welcome and hope that this country gives you the benefits that you want.

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    Mute Mark Damme
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    Oct 21st 2015, 12:31 PM

    High rents? it’s about 250 a month in sharing. and No one is forcing anyone into slave labour they are choosing to do so. college fees is 1000 for a year and reentry visa is a 100 euro. so what are u in about?

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    Mute John Reid
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    Oct 21st 2015, 10:40 PM

    The Brazilians have to quickly learn the Irish way of being friendly and using eye contact though, otherwise there won’t be much integration and the Brazilians and the Irish will largely stick to their own as is currently and unfortunately the case.

    As is the etiquette in every country, the onus is on the foreign guests to try to interact and get used to the Irish way of going about this. The Irish, instinctively, will almost always be friendly and try to get to know Brazilians, but the onus will be on the Brazilian guests in Ireland to make a big effort to be friendly and sociable when around Irish people (and particularly to use eye contact when near Irish people), this will encourage the Irish to continue to be friendly and welcoming which is our default position.

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    Oct 21st 2015, 3:06 PM

    …And they say in Brazil is an economic crisis right now. It is hard to believe that, since the Brazilian government is funding thousands of scholarship every year….
    Some of them come to Ireland to learn English and yes they have to find a job – but to get to Ireland they need to pay a lot. It is some investment actually. I had a friend who worked as nanny for awhile but she left already because those are just temporary jobs.
    Some people here did not really read this article. This big number of Brazilians students is caused by the enormous funding Brazil spend in high education abroad. I see loads – I mean loads – of them around DCU and TCD everyday. They do not have to work, as they are recipient of a fat stipend from their government.
    In fairness I think Brazilian people are great, happy and beautiful. I dont see why we shouldnt welcome them here.

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    Oct 21st 2015, 2:46 PM

    I find Brazilians are very laid back and easy going ..

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