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INTO says 'scourge of supersized classes' should end, as teachers' unions to ask for pay increases

The two main teachers’ unions will be holding in-person conferences for the first time in two years today.

LAST UPDATE | 19 Apr 2022

THE ASTI TEACHERS’ union is to ask the Government for pay increases of between 6% and 8% to “compensate” for the rising cost of living, as the INTO called on the Minister for Education to end the “scourge” of overcrowded classrooms.

Minister Norma Foley told the INTO conference that there had “rightly” been a call for greater investment in education, ahead of fresh talks on a possible new public sector pay deal due to take place later this month.

Speaking on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, ASTI General Secretary Kieran Christie said that the planned pay increases for teachers of 1% in October, on top of the “ineffectual” increases teachers have had over the last couple of years, “won’t cut it” and ASTI teachers needed “a substantial” increase to “put teaching back on an even keel”. 

When asked whether industrial action could take place, Christie said “it’s too early to look at that” – but said the ASTI “certainly” wouldn’t be ruling it out.

The ASTI, a trade union of secondary-school teachers in Ireland, is holding its first in-person annual conference since the pandemic began. The union represents 18,000 secondary school teachers.

Ireland’s largest teachers’ union, the INTO, has held its first in-person teachers conference in two years. The INTO represents 50,000 members of primary school teachers in Ireland and primary and secondary school teachers in Northern Ireland.

General Secretary John Boyle called on Education Minister Norma Foley to address class sizes as part of this year’s budget.

“In Budget 2023, if you build on previous work and reduce class sizes by three
pupils – you will have, personally, ended the scourge of supersized classes. Our
children deserve nothing less.”

Boyle also said that its INTO members felt “badly let down” by the Government during the pandemic, and despite their work during the pandemic, “pay for teachers in the South increased by only 1% while members in the North received no increase at all”.

The INTO said that Irish primary schools receive significantly less funding than second and third level institutions – with primary schools receiving a capitation grant of €1 per pupil per school day to cover their running costs, compared to double for second-level.

It said in a statement:

The standard capitation grant per pupil has dropped from €200 in 2010 to €183 at present, in contrast to the current figure of €316 at post-primary level. This funding disparity is grossly unfair. Indeed, schools around the country are forced to fundraise to the tune of €46 million per annum to make up this shortfall.

Education Minister Norma Foley has addressed the INTO conference in Killarney this morning, and is to address the ASTI conference in Cork this afternoon. 

Speaking on Newstalk this morning, Foley stressed that the cost of living was affecting all students, and said that Minister for Public Expenditure Michael McGrath is “more than happy” to continue a review of the Building Momentum pay agreement.

On Leaving Cert reform, Foley said: “We see best practice in the Baccalauréat in France, which is 40%, 50% in New Zealand, and almost all in Norway is teacher-assessed.” 

Reform of the Leaving Cert curriculum to include more continuous assessment, and how to best integrate the thousands of Ukrainian children who are arriving in Ireland are expected to be discussed, as well as the public-sector pay deal.

Speaking in Kerry, Minister Foley unveiled an extension to a languages programme for primary schools, with the ‘Say Yes to Languages’ module now running from six to eight weeks. The module can be used to support incoming refugees by teaching or incorporating Ukrainian into Irish classrooms, Foley told INTO teachers.

Foley also praised the work of school staff during the pandemic, and thanked teachers for their efforts in welcoming and integrating Ukrainian children to Irish classes.

Christie praised the model where an independent teacher assesses students’ exams, and that the Department would be “tinkering with that at their peril”. He also said that Minister Foley hasn’t explained how continuous assessment would be less stressful for students, and called on her to explain that argument. 

“We think it’s very important to protect the integrity and validity of what is highly regarded State certification process. We would point out that the Minister has brought forward a proposal based on a report by the NCCA who did not advise her to go down the route she has chosen.”

He said that the proposal would be considered this week.

The Teachers Union of Ireland (TUI) annual congress is taking place in Co Wexford before 500 delegates this afternoon, raising pay issues, the cost of living, and the reform of the Leaving Cert. 

In a statement, the TUI said teachers who moved outside the M50 in search of affordable homes or affordable rents “now find the cost of fuel prohibitive in making the necessary daily commute to work. It is costing them a lot to go to work. We await a meaningful response from Government on the issue”. 

The issue of pay discrimination was also raised – where newly-qualified teachers were on less money than other teachers. The TUI has claimed that members have agreed to forgo a 1% pay increase to end the pay gap between the two groups.

“This crass opposition by DPER to resolution of the scourge of pay discrimination must stop now, not least because pay discrimination remains a central cause of the teacher recruitment and retention crisis in second level schools,” it said.

The TUI welcomed elements of Foley’s proposals to reform the Leaving Cert exams, but raised concerns about the resources the changes would need, and that the union is opposed to “the dilution of objectivity” by the students’ own teachers correcting their students’ work.

The TUI says it represents over 20,000 teachers, lecturers, and other educators across second level, third level and further and adult education. 

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    Mute Good Early
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    Apr 26th 2016, 8:54 PM

    My mate’s a doctor in the south east. On more than one occasion he has dealt with men from Afghanistan and Pakistan and their multiple wives. One Afghani has been in 3 times in the past year with a different woman pregnant as his wife.
    The third girl the guy claimed was 18 but my mate wasnt so sure. So he called the HSE, Gardai and other services and no one wanted to assist.
    It’s happening here and is being brushed under the carpet. Polygamy is illegal in this country and our immigrant population need to be informed of this, and prosecuted to the fullest extent if they break the law.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:04 PM

    Another example of muslim asylum seekers and migrants cultures trumping irish state law.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:05 PM

    What are statistics of Pakistani/Afghan men acknowledging illegitimate children (unheard of in their culture) – then claiming right to stay!

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:06 PM

    Yes but we don’t want to appear racist – so let’s just leave it there.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:08 PM

    Yes Good Early and do you know what else – Irish taxpayers are probably paying for the upkeep of him, his three wives and all his children! Wouldn’t it just give you the warm fuzzies!

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:18 PM

    I was thinking the same. They’re all in his medical card. I wonder if he can claim all of these wives as dependants with the Social.

    I wanted to highlight it here as this sh*t is going on in Ireland. Not very PC to highlighted in this country while condemning it another

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:28 PM

    You can put your house on it that nobody will do anything about this medieval carry on , where are all the bleeding hearts who love an ‘issue ‘ to fill their empty days or even a feminist will do to ‘raise concerns ‘ about the treatment of women by these yokes , the only thing we are sure about is that what we see across the water has arrived here and in a generation we will have our own Rotherham

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:33 PM

    Good early…its like child abuse and destruction of whistleblowers….the powers that be dont like the boat being rocked…

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:39 PM

    Mike…RT today forced nordic state govt spokespersons to admit they are permitting child marriages exist/take place in reception centres for muslim/african asylum seekers…does/will that be embraced here amongst the “new irish”? Or is it already?

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:52 PM

    Let’s call this what it is- Paedophilia!

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    Apr 26th 2016, 10:05 PM

    Good Early, You should tell your friend to go to a newspaper and give his story anonymously if needs be! It’s a disgrace and should be exposed.

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-men-with-many-wives

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    Apr 26th 2016, 10:14 PM

    Original….you and i agree…the multiculturalists among us would say its criminal and sick if you or i did it….but would say that for an african its cultural,thus acceptable.I look forward to the 1st such case exposed here.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 10:24 PM

    All the bigots here on their high horses, the girl in the articles name is Maria. I wonder what religion she is from? And while this practice is despicable it is not limited to one ethnic group or religion. In Ireland not so long ago it was common practice to marry off teenage girls to old men (the quiet man is a a parody of this but it goes easy on the actual age difference).or else to put them on the emigrant boat. Such behaviour is commonly the result of extreme poverty and ignorance Anything for a rant a Johnny foreigner but just remember it i is only recent economic development with its attendant opportunties which have permitted your younger sister to avoid marrying 52 year Joe Mulvay with his 3 acres.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 10:35 PM

    Her name is given as “Maria”, note inverted commas, so real name most likely isn’t.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 10:48 PM

    Matty Matty Matty, I think you’ll find that “the traditional practice of ‘bog-lenga’ or ‘bonus woman’” is NOT a Christian practice – its one of their own African cultural practices. Also, it’s actually quite a considerably amount of time since teenage girls were married off to old men in Ireland. It’s like this Matty – you’re either against these practices or you’re not.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 11:02 PM

    Matty..scroll down..note that i exculpated these folk already on the grounds of poverty and lack of education…and further noted that Colm o Gorman is attendant on the case….thus as a social justice campaigner i have already intervened.

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    Apr 27th 2016, 9:02 AM

    Matty is a Gary Glitter fan! But he can’t bring the race card into the conversation if Garry the freak gets a good kicking

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    Apr 26th 2016, 8:36 PM

    That’s just fooooooked up shit right there. Poor children don’t stand a chance in life

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:10 PM

    Just noticed colm o gorman is on the case….he knows education and lots of money will make burkina faso better…

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    Apr 26th 2016, 8:45 PM

    Criminal.
    Also can we have more reports on the jump in child marriage in Europe and what its causes are please?
    Maybe an opinion piece from one of our college lecturers on how “culturally enriching” this kind of thing is?

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    Apr 26th 2016, 8:59 PM

    Its their culture..we must celebrate it…though they would be tough neighbours to get to know.id love to eavesdrop on a cultural relativist workshop as they work out how to sell the benefits of these practices to a host nation…

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    Apr 26th 2016, 10:21 PM

    As yes, more Islam enriching our world, third article today by my count… doesn’t it make you feel warm and fuzzy!

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    Apr 26th 2016, 10:25 PM

    her name is Maria

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    Apr 26th 2016, 10:33 PM

    No, her name is “Maria”. So her real name most likely isn’t.

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    Apr 27th 2016, 8:33 AM

    Yes, and taking more than one wife is forbidden in Christianity.

    So which do you think is more plausible? That the man having five wives is a spoof, or that they named to girl Maria and never mentioned Islam so people like you wouldn’t have to get that sickly feeling in your belly between the truth and not wanting to appear racist haha!

    Ps I think it’s a set up to spare your feelings ;)

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    Apr 27th 2016, 9:43 AM

    Plenty of Christian organisations practicing polygamy in the US and elsewhere.

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    Apr 27th 2016, 10:07 AM

    Plenty, really? Name 5 if you could.

    It doesn’t really matter if you can name them or not, not one recognized Christian Church practices polygamy, not one Catholic, Protestant, Assyrian, Coptic, Orthodox or otherwise; in conjunction polygamy is not legal in “christian” countries either.

    So to compare that to Islam, where polygamy is scripturally permissible, accepted by each of the four Islamic schools of jurisprudence and is legal under CIVIL law in many Islamic countries, is a comparison so weak as to really make me doubt your knowledge on the subject.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 8:48 PM

    Sad I suppose…but what the hell has it to do with us?
    It’s Africa’s problem.
    One more in a long list.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:01 PM

    You are all Hart cal.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:11 PM

    Also a uk , Swedish problem . Etc . Actually now it’s a European prob

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:13 PM

    Cal, You’re right – it is “Africa’s problem” and it is “one more in a long list” but it is still actually very sad and twisted – and it shouldn’t happen anywhere in the world!

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:14 PM

    I would have chosen a different organ to describe Cal.

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:59 PM

    Cal has no idea of history

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    Apr 26th 2016, 10:21 PM

    Cerebral?

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    Apr 27th 2016, 9:33 AM

    The Muslims have made it clear they will take over Europe because they can have as many wife’s and children as they want that is why I would be very slow in giving anyone of them citizenship .

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    Apr 27th 2016, 7:50 AM

    Let the savages do what they want in their own countries but don’t be bringing it here. King George was right; abroad is bloody

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    Apr 26th 2016, 9:03 PM

    That’s what Jesus would have said Cal

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    Apr 27th 2016, 10:50 PM

    Pedos?

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    Apr 29th 2016, 1:09 AM

    Which god do they worship again? The pedophile one?

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