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'Bonkers' overtime worked by junior doctors causing burnout and risks for patients

Junior doctors in Ireland worked 2.8 million recorded overtime hours last year, according to figures from the HSE.

EXCESSIVE OVERTIME WORKED by junior doctors is causing burnout and unsafe working conditions, doctors say.

Junior doctors are regularly working hours far beyond what should be acceptable in Irish hospitals, doctors have told The Journal, to the detriment of patients and staff.

Non-consultant hospital doctors (NCHDs), or junior doctors, are doctors working in hospitals who are not consultants but who provide important medical care to patients and are often taking postgraduate training in a particular specialty.

In 2021, junior doctors in Ireland worked a total of 2.8 million recorded overtime hours, according to figures from the HSE.

On average, between 2016 and 2021, they worked a collective 2.5 million hours beyond their contracted time.

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Dr John Cannon, the chair of the Irish Medical Organisation’s NCHD committee, says the level of overtime worked “proves how bad the conditions are for junior doctors”.

New figures released under the Freedom of Information Act, first reported by the Irish Independent at the weekend and obtained by The Journal, say that the 25 highest overtime amounts paid to NCHDs last year ranged from €91,213 to €169,772. In several cases, the amount of overtime exceeded their basic pay.

Eight of those junior doctors were based in Galway, four in Cork, and three in Limerick. There were two each in Laois, Sligo, and Wexford, and one in Donegal, Kilkenny, Kerry and Louth.

Speaking to The Journal, Dr Cannon said the figures are “essentially an admission of guilt by the HSE and Department of Health as to the dangerous and illegal working time hours that junior doctors are doing”.

“The only way that those junior doctors could have received those overtime payments is if they were working absolutely insane and dangerous hours,” Dr Cannon said.

“Even if you generously apply a high overtime rate in order to make the number of hours low, those doctors would have had to work – on top of their 39-hour basic week – an additional 40 or 50 hours a week every week for the entire 52 weeks of the year to reach those numbers, which is absolutely bonkers.”

“I think the public can put two and two together. They see what’s happening and they have been incredibly supportive so far because they do not want their mother, their father, their brother or sister to go into an Irish hospital and their care to come under an exhausted doctor,” he said. 

Hospital doctors work overtime hours to cover short-term staff absences and to alleviate immediate service pressures, according to the HSE.

The IMO has launched a campaign called #StandingUp4NCHDs that is calling for better working conditions for junior doctors.

A survey by the IMO heard that 96% of NCHDs have been required to work more than 48 hours a week, 40% have been required to work more than 24 hours in one shift, and many reported routinely not being paid for all the hours they worked.

A lack of suitable rest breaks and on-call facilities were raised as significant problems, while 91% said they had difficulties availing of study leave and 50% had difficulties taking annual leave.

On social media, junior doctors have shared stories about how working long hours without reprieve has affected them, including car collisions that happened when they were exhausted while driving home.

Speaking to The Journal, Dr Shubhangi Karmakar, an Academic Intern and Advanced Diploma in Medical Law candidate, described the heavy burdens placed on junior doctors.

“From experiences around the country, no one seems unfamiliar to 6am texts when you’re unwell to ask if you’ve arranged cover, indirect ‘chats’ to suggest protection of educational time doesn’t apply to overtime ‘obligations’, or even being asked if one is sure one can’t make time to come in during annual leave,” Dr Karmakar said.

“That can become scary – because while pressures arising in the HSE are rarely communicated formally, disciplining for implied ‘obligations’ is always taken down a formal route – leaving NCHDs unable to collect a coherent ‘paper trail’ if they need to defend themselves,” they said.

“Equally, though, there arises the question of how NCHDs think about practicing within our responsibilities, but also our rights – and I think very limited induction in legal and regulation literacy feeds into that too.

“We have a right as professionals, to do our best work every day, and poor working conditions are an unacceptable obstacle to that.

There is sometimes so much overwork that instead of aiming for the best and safest care for our patients and landing somewhere in ‘good care’, the goalpost moves to normalising ‘covering the bare minimum’.

“This vastly increases the risk of doctors either practicing pre-emptively defensive medicine, or falling short of minimum standards – both leading to care mismanagement.”

Covid-19 impact

In a statement accompanying the figures released under FOI, the HSE attributed the high levels of overtime pay in part to the Covid-19 pandemic.

It outlined that increased Covid-related staff absences and the demand on the health service had a significant impact on overtime hours.

In mental health services, where the availability of staff was already below demand, partly linked to emigration, vacancies in medical and nursing positions were compounded by the pandemic, it said.

Speaking to The Journal, Sinn Féin TD and health spokesperson David Cullinane said the problem of junior doctors working extensive overtime “existed long before the pandemic”.

“For a long, long number of years… we’ve had issues with junior doctors working long hours, breaches of the European Working Time Directive, and issues in relation to what actually constitutes overtime in the mix of working hours versus training hours,” Cullinane said.

The European Working Time Directive is legislation that says employers must ensure staff do not work more than 48 hours in a week on average, including overtime.

Employees must be given at least 11 consecutive hours of daily rest and 24 hours of rest every seven days.

Cullinane described it as “really problematic” that many junior doctors are compelled to work overtime on top of their training and work hours “simply to pay the bills”.

“It’s on the one hand their training hours and then it’s the hours that they spend on service provision or working formally in the healthcare system, and that obviously puts pressure on the doctor who’s working very long hours, but it also puts patients at risk, potentially, as well,” he said.

“It’s not a good working environment and it’s one of the reasons why we see hundreds of doctors emigrating every year to Australia, Canada, America and elsewhere. Partly they go because they can see better opportunities to train and upskill, but also it’s because of the long hours.”

Similarly, Dr Karmakar said that issues with working and management culture “transcend ‘Covid times’”.

They said that “one common reason for mounting overtime requirements, for example, is ‘staffing pressures’.

The issue is, even when adequate NCHDs are rostered, a lot of overtime work is undertaken by doctors having to overstay shifts to reduce task burden on handovers.

“Everyone is pushing towards burnout, as service demands constantly push us to tweak or overreach scopes of practice, and we continue to support overworking ourselves because we never want our colleagues to feel how we do after a set of rough days or nights.”

The IMO survey found that 78% of junior doctors feel they are at a high risk of burnout.

Additionally, 70% are dissatisfied with their work-life balance and 91% feel they have little or no control over their work life.

‘We feel like an export commodity’

It’s understood that Minister for Higher Education Simon Harris is expected to soon bring a proposal to Cabinet to create an additional 200 places on medicine courses by 2025.

Currently, across Ireland’s colleges, around 750 students are accepted to undergraduate medicine courses each year; some of the most sought-after higher education places in the country.

“Increasing capacity and having more junior doctors and taking pressure off would certainly help,” Sinn Féin’s David Cullinane said.

“We need to look at the training model to ensure that we don’t have doctors that are doing very long training hours on the one hand and service provision hours on the other because that’s a problem.

“We also need to look at the other supports as well. I think you have to look at what’s happening in the hospitals and what support staff are in place to support junior doctors. We know that there are some hospitals with a shortage of nurses, but also physiotherapists and radiographers – if those staff are not there, it puts additional pressure on doctors as well.”

On the ground, Dr Cannon and Dr Karmakar say that working long overtime shifts cannot continue to be a normal expectation of junior doctors.

“We need to have a system with enough redundancy that doctors can routinely work European Working Time Directive-compliant hours and that the absolute exception, the outlier, is when a doctor becomes non-compliant and works over 48 hours a week,” Dr Cannon said.

“The problem is that that is not the exception at the moment, that is the normality. It is the expectation of doctors that they will routinely work 9, 10, 11, 12-hour days and work 60, 70, 80-hour weeks.

We now need to get to a point where we have enough doctors so that doctors can actually go home at a reasonable hour.

“That doesn’t fix all the problems, but it takes pressure off those young parents that aren’t seeing their children, the doctors that aren’t seeing their family or friends – and that are unable to cook for themselves, and eat healthily, and exercise and do all the other physical and mental extracurriculars that create a healthy work-life balance.”

Dr Karmakar pointed out that additional medicine places created at third-level will need to translate to the hiring of more interns to have any meaningful impact.

They said it is no surprise Ireland struggles to hire back junior doctors who have worked abroad in more supportive environments and that there should not be a need for social movements to plead to the government to hire newly-qualified Irish doctors.

“When we talk about a ‘no blame’ culture, that means #StandingUpForNCHDs needs to get us talking about our experiences around the country, and our systems and the public need to understand these conversations happen in good faith,” Dr Karmakar said.

“None of us enjoy sharing our experiences as doctors – and that’s so sad for what is some of the most rewarding work in our lives – and truly, if we were acting out of individual gain alone, people probably wouldn’t bother sharing to change the system.

They’d do what doctors are currently doing in droves – they’d ‘keep the head down until they get out’; leave the HSE and the country.

“By sharing our experiences and advocating for industrial action – we’re trying to be uncompromising not with our ‘self-interests’ or ‘petty slights’, but with the best interests of Ireland’s patients, and also our peers, Ireland’s doctors.

“NCHDs should be a valuable asset to Ireland – we train in some of the most intense working pressures of any equivalent training level in any other jurisdiction. But right now, we feel more like an export commodity lost at sea, trying to find any shore to tether ourselves because we can’t stay home.”

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:11 AM

    Do the councils know that drawing a cycle lane in an existing traffic lane doesn’t count as fixing a problem………

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:00 AM

    @Sean Higgins: Experience has shown that councils create cycle lanes in towns which have very few cyclists, they would be better to create more greenways for off road cyclists anf pedestrians to facilitate tourism.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:10 AM

    What happened to the EU directive that the end user must pay. Motorists are paying road tax for worsening roads and ever increasing shiny cycle lanes. A cycle registration and modest tax on city cycles would fund cycle lanes and have the added advantage of identifying cyclists who run red lights and knock down pedestrians

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:16 AM

    Techman take a ten minute time out.
    That silly argument has bring debunked many times. There’s no point in even explaining to how how invalid your point is.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:30 AM

    The pedestrians are the worst. Sure they get their own paths, lights and all. Even with all that, those pesky pedestrians walk on MY ROADS without my permission and out of turn at that! I’m not a pedestrian, never was, never will be, I pay tax! Harrumph harrumph haroo.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:30 AM

    Stopped reading at “motorists pay road tax”

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:32 AM

    Sure half the time cyclists don’t even use the bloody cycle lanes and are ripping around on footpaths.

    I would suggest the money would be better spent sending every cyclist a colour-coded guide regarding what each of the different coloured lights at pedestrian crossings mean.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:39 AM

    What is Road Tax?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:50 AM

    It’s a HSE levy to cover poor health in old age due to lack of fitness.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:51 AM

    Road Tax = Irish Water Slush Fund

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:17 PM

    What shiny cycle lanes have you seen?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:18 PM

    Cyclists are not the ones who pay the road tax. So no. Build more lanes from motor vehicles please.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:23 PM

    And more running paths since runners haven’t the sense or the arrogance to stay off the roads

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:31 PM

    There is no such thing as road tax. Everybody pays for the roads regardless of owning a motor or not.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:36 PM

    Cars to no damage to roads either. Lorries and tractors do a lot more damage, water does the rest.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:37 PM

    Ah come on. You call cycling two abrest not using the whole traffic lane?? I think cyclists who do not use cycle lanes should have there bikes impounded and have to pay a release fee simular to that of a car

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:42 PM

    You should be Taoiseach.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:52 PM

    Dundalk is an example of such a town, one road which was already too narrow for two way system has been made even more narrow with a cycle lane, I have never seen a bicycle use it.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:55 PM

    Motor Tax?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:57 PM

    @oliverjumelle: Thought the same once but then realized bicycle lanes are only suitable for cycling less than 15 kmph max. This is because of safety for pedestrians and the cyclist. Try hitting a lane side verge on a bike with 25mm wheels….  

    This is why cyclists who cycle faster are advised to use the road.

    Cyclists who persist on cycling two abreast while holding up traffic should be ridiculed. I say that as a cyclist.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:39 PM

    @Joey Westland: Could we send that colour-coded guide to all the drivers who routinely ignore amber and red lights at every junction too, Joey? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:42 PM

    @techman: Funny how having a registration system and motor tax doesn’t seem to stop motorists from routinely breaking red and amber lights at every junction, Techman? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk

    And it doesn’t seem to stop motorists from killing a couple of hundred people every year, while cyclists kill zero people each year.

    But if you want to talk about the true cost of motoring, let’s talk about the cost of the 1/3 of our carbon emissions that are down to cars and trucks – which motorists pay nothing for. And what about the costs of the 1600 premature deaths each year due to poor air quality? And the costs to our health and public services of the many people injured in traffic collisions?

    But hey, I guess it’s easier to make up stuff about people being knocked down by cyclists.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:46 PM

    @Joey Westland: Probably cos the cycle lanes that exist are rubbish, and normally have cars parked in them. Cycling is not at all safe, particularly in City Centre. We need better more efficient public transport, like an entire metro system. People said the luas wouldn’t take off, its always packed to capacity at peak times. How many cars off the roads is that? The problem we have it is not easy to exchange and swap between routes, and routes don’t adequately link up. We don’t just need Metro North and Dart underground, we need multiple lines. From Rathgar road as far as Appian Way there is massive traffic jams every morning. If there was an adequate rail system, it would take so many cars off the roads and make cycling safer.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:57 PM

    It’s water tax

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:19 PM

    Cycling is really dangerous in Dublin. I cycle cross city twice daily, not a day has passed when cars have come far too close. Cars parked in cycle lanes, glass, piot holes, a massive bus just pulling in on you with no regard, cycle lanes only active between 16:00 and 19:00, it’s dreadful. You have to cycle aggressively, you have to take the lane so cars don’t try to squeeze by where there is zero space, you actually have to eyeball drivers to make sure they see you when they are talking on their phones, sometimes you even have to point your finger directly at their face to get noticed. All road users break the rules, a lot of cyclists are dreadful, but the higher moral ground always remains with the driver, because what they drive is incredibly dangerous. People won’t change their habits out of fear of injuring or killing a cyclist, but they will if they have the fear of the removal of their privilege of driving a car. Much stricter rules need to be enforced on drivers, if you can’t follow the rules of the road to the letter in a car then you should not be in a car, it is not a right to drive, it is a privilege and a responsibility. Cars and bikes are not equal, there is a reason children are allowed to cycle but not to drive. Driving recklessly because you saw a cyclist breaking a red light is no excuse. I really feel that I will be involved in a nasty accident with a car before long, that’s just not right, I shouldn’t be fearful of using the road because of driver arrogance and ignorance. And don’t get me started on the sheer ignorance of taxis, buses and trucks, all seemingly professional drivers.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:26 PM

    @oliverjumelle: two abreast if only you want to try driving down the country its not unusual to see them 3/4 abreast on a country road with no hard shoulder your lucky if they move over into two when you try and over take them these are the lycra brigade who want to take over the roads so they can go for a spin usually sat or sun morning and evenings when the bright evenings come back in….

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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:39 PM

    @John Smith: the rules of the road dont only apply to drivers they also apply to cyclists and pedestrians as well but they dont seem to give a s/it, talking about arrogance and ignorance did you read your post before pressing the send button ” you have to take the lane so cars dont squeeze by ” if that isnt arrogance I dont know what is, perhaps if you cycled closer to the kerb cars could pass you with out any difficulty, no doubt if you observed the rules a bit more you would have less problems….

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:01 PM

    Self preservation, whilst following the “rules of the road” isn’t the same as arrogance Peter.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:08 PM

    @Peter taking the lane is part of the rules of the road for safety, driving to the kerb is a dangerous practice. A cyclist should be treated like any other vehicle on the road. For example no overtaking when there is incoming traffic. I believe this is what you are suggesting.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:11 PM
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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:53 PM

    @Shane Hogan:there you go again shane not reading your posts before posing, ” motorists killing a couple of hundred people ever year ” maybe not many cyclists kill people every year but there are a lot should be accused of suicide, and if you care to check you will find that all motorists pay towards so called carbon emissions it is included in the road tax along with all the other hidden tax`s ( perhaps you will find some reference to it on you tube ) so when will the cyclists start paying their share of road tax and carbon emissions ?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:01 PM

    @Peter : Can you name some of those carbon emissions that cyclists produce ? Farting might be one I guess.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:03 PM

    @Stephen Devlin: ” takeing the lane ” suggests to me that the cyclist swerves out in front of a car to prevent the car overtaking which is the normal practice I see in any town or city in ireland, and yes they shouldnt overtake when there is oncoming traffic unless it is safe to do so as this will cause the car/truck etc they have pulled out in front of to brake suddenly and possibly cause a crash….

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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:13 PM

    @Peter, preventing the car from running them off the road, the practice is used on bendy roads. Cars will have to acknowledge that cyclists are traffic too (much like tractors only much more vulnerable to being killed) . Giving motorists the opportunity to squeeze between them and oncoming traffic is dangerous hence the rules if the road suggest this practice. Don’t you want people on the roads to be safe?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:16 PM

    I might add it’s not only bendy roads but where the road is not safe to cycle on the left (where doors can be open by parked cars, potholes etc etc )

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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:32 PM

    @Peter donnelly: The only arrogance here is yours Peter. You seem to think that cyclists are some kind of 2nd class citizens with a duty to get out of the way of the masterful car drivers? Well, wake up and smell the coffee. Cyclists have the same entitlement to use the road as you do. How often do you move over to make room for cyclists in heavy urban traffic? Yeah, I thought so – but you expect other road users to tug their forelock, bow down to you and move out of your way? Would ya get off the stage. In the unlikely circumstance that you get stuck behind a bike or two, take a chill pill, take a deep breath, and you’ll find a safe place to pass them in 10 or 20 seconds. It never ceases to amaze me how drivers who spend large sections of their life starting down the back end of the car in front suddenly take huge offence if they get caught behind a cyclist for a few seconds. Get real.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:36 PM

    @Peter donnelly: ‘not many cyclists kill people every year’ – do you have the slightest clue what you’re talking about Peter. It’s not a case of ‘not many cyclists kill people each year’. Zero cyclists kill people each year. There hasn’t been anyone killed by a cyclist in Ireland for more than 15 years, while hundreds of people are killed by motorists each year. Whatever few crumbs that motorists currently pay ‘towards’ carbon emissions come nothing near the real costs of carbon emissions. Have a look at the recent European Environmental Agency report showing the 1600 premature deaths in Ireland each year caused by air pollution – when are you going to start paying these costs? [Not 'towards' the costs - paying the full, real, actual costs].

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    Dec 18th 2016, 6:21 PM

    That’d work if people didn’t park in them so often!

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    Dec 18th 2016, 7:11 PM

    @Peter donnelly:

    Just an hour ago I had a bus bearing down on me, blowing his horn and driving to close as I tried to navigate the potholes, new LUAS tracks and traffic coming from O’Connoll St to Parnell St. The guy was shaking his fist and intimidating me to get me out of his way. Incredibly dangerous and scary behavior.Unfortunately for him I took his number plate and reported him to the company he works for. This is unacceptable, I shouldn’t have my life put at risk by a bus company. When the lane is the width of a car, which it nearly always is, there is no space to pass, stay behind a cyclist, you will not get anywhere faster than a person on a bike. There’s a reason why bike couriers are the fastest way to get something delivered in a city. I’m sick of driver excuses, the only way to stop dangerous drivers is harsh and swift punishment.

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    Dec 19th 2016, 11:55 AM

    @John Smith: I am not a cyclist for the reasons you point out. There are a lot of bad drivers out there and it won’t be safe while they are allowed to drive. With better public transport and better cycling lanes, I would be the first to give up on my car.

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    Dec 19th 2016, 2:36 PM

    @Brianán Mc Bride: Probably because any cyclist would get murdered going down such a narrow cycle path?

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    Dec 19th 2016, 4:25 PM

    Nobody pays road tax Its called motor tax for a reason

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    Dec 19th 2016, 4:31 PM

    Well said John Smith, we might be a hindrance to motorists but how they behave can mean life or death to us.

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    Dec 19th 2016, 10:46 PM

    @techman: Motorists don’t pay road tax. When do you ever remember paying ‘Road Tax’? You pay motor tax. Motor tax funds local government. Cars pollute and damage people’s health across a range of risk factors. Cycling is carbon neutral, reduces pollution and promotes a healthier society. Cycling pays for itself in the long-term. If Government was serious about public health and safety – this our transport minister seems not to by – they’d see provision of cycling infrastructure as a no-brainer.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:08 AM

    A lot of cyclists are a danger to themselves and other road users. Some are completely heedless when it comes to cycling around Dublin it’s amazing that not more are injured

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:14 AM

    Yeah am very pro cycling, think it’s a very positive thing for cities, but drove through dublin cc during rush hour recently and it was chaos, weaving in and out and all over the place, must be very stressful for drivers of large vehicles. There needs to be some form of traffic enforcement which there currently isn’t.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:16 AM

    Agree, I would support this but only when cycling attitudes to red lights INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN LIGHTS changes.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:22 AM

    To be fair the weaving in and out of traffic is caused by the mixed use (and useless) cycle lanes. I cycle the quays daily, and rarely get to stay in the bus/cycle lane on my journey. Buses, taxis, delivery vans, trucks, you name it, stopped along the route, or trying to pass where there is little room.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:41 AM

    Justin , thats down to inadequate infrastructure. If cars and bikes were kept separate and bikes had good lanes then there wouldn’t be an issue

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:51 AM

    I think everyone’s attitude to red lights has to change.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:35 AM

    @brian magee: Nonsense, if you got rid of all the cars and vehicles in the city centre cyclists would just become even more dangerous, it would be like The Purge for pedestrians.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:01 PM

    Bilbo there is a world of difference between a light which has just turned red and a car or cyclist going through it, and the complete lack of respect which cyclists show to every red light, i.e. only stopping if necessary, ploughing through pedestrian crossings with people crossing, etc. I’m totally pro cycling and was one myself up until recently, but the overall attitude of cyclists must change.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:39 PM

    @Malvolio32: Agreed. I cycle and I drive and cyclists scare me in Dublin. They’re all suicidal and they take others with them.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:45 PM

    @John S: Is it only cycling attitudes to red lights that need to change, John? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk&t

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    Dec 19th 2016, 10:50 PM

    @Justin Credible: Strange. I’ve seen cyclists’ behaviour improve hugely on my commute to and from work along the Grand Canal, South Circular Road. You still get your idiots, but the culture has evolved in really positive ways over the past 12 months. As with all other major cycling cities, cycling culture takes time and requires support from government. Real support.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:15 AM

    I wouldn’t dream of cycling around Dublin as it is. I think cyclists are nuts. But then you go somewhere like Amsterdam and you see how practical it can be. Dublin is a nice size for cycling around. They need more cycle lanes but some streets are too narrow. The cycle lanes on the quays for instance seem more notional than practical with the bus lane next to it.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:51 AM

    Cyclists are nuts in Amsterdam and mopeds can travel in cycle lanes which is chaotic and dangerous

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:57 AM

    Mopeds can only drive in select designated lanes which are shared with cyclists not all in Amsterdam. You won’t find pedestrians walking in cycle lanes there.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:07 AM

    Unless you’re a tourist like me! I don’t know how many times I was almost hit by a bike before I got used to them.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:13 AM

    Cyclists are nuts in Dublin too

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:46 PM

    You’re the exception paddy

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:23 PM

    @Awkward Seal: Cycling in London is dangerous, last week the transport minister Chris Grayling knocked a cyclist over when he opened his car door.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:15 AM

    Taxi drivers must stop pulling straight in front of cyclists on the cycle lane and hitting their hazards lights, as if that makes it all okay! Too many times I’ve had to either brake abruptly or swerve onto the car lane to avoid rear ending the taxi.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:17 AM

    It is simpler than that we need more enforcement on all road users and even pedestrians. Cycle lanes are blocked every morning during rush hour by parked cars. they are also blocked by cars driving and stopping in them. Delivery vehicles block bus lanes and cycle lanes. Cyclists breaking lights and cycling on paths. Pedestrians walking in cycle lanes and breaking lights. All need enforcement and fines.
    It isn’t difficult to catch people as it happens in the same spots everyday. Random enforcement will increase the fear of being caught and that is what prevents people not increased fines.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:58 PM

    @Kal Ipers: Every morning cycling to work I see the same thing; cyclists break the lights across the Rock road. Vehicles block the Northumberland road cycle lanes past the canal. Dublin bikes riders break the basic rules of the road once you hit the city. Large groups of pedestrians walk across the junction at Merrion Square and force me to stop until they pass, even when the light is green for me. Enforcing rush hour traffic would stop all of these examples that happen at the same time, and ease every road users frustrations.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:23 PM

    @Kal Ipers:

    A traffic cop stopped me once when a bus pulled in on me to give out to me on my bike. I was having none of it, when I pointed out a car that had just pulled into a cycle lane down the road he said that the driver was just delivering and did nothing about it. When I scolded him for it he shrugged it off. When a copper doesn’t do his job you really realise nobody in the city cares about cyclist safety. Every bike on the road means one less car, which means less traffic. I’m sickened by the attitude to cyclists, you’d swear we weren’t actually people.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:46 PM

    @John Smith: John I completely agree. Enforcement is the problem and gardai need retraining. I cycle too and crazy cyclist are just as annoying to me. I have had drivers attack me with their cars, pedestrians throw things at me. The aggression towards cyclists is insane.
    I used to have a helmet cam but I found that increased aggression. Waiting for delivery of a new helmet with cameras hidden front and back as a result.
    I can understand mistakes by any road user but there are people out there threatening cyclists regularly. Somebody tried twice to knock me down last week.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:04 PM

    @Kal Ipers:

    I regularly get drivers cutting in on me deliberately with an inch to spare as a punishment. One knock into a pot hole would have me under their wheel. A driver who does that should have their license immediately removed. It has made me far more aggressive, not a state I want to be in. It’s like a war on the roads, unfortunately it’s cyclists who suffer when they are hit by a ton of fast moving metal by a person who sees us as not people with families and lives trying to get somewhere, but as subhuman pests on the roads. We need space, when you cut us off you should watch as we pass you again at the lights, you are not getting anywhere faster, you are just being a danger.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:26 PM

    You sound like you’re not a person. Just an anti-car obsessive

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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:48 PM

    @Tony Hannon: So any cyclist who expects the laws on cycle lane parking to be enforced is an ‘anti-car obsessive’ Tony? You do know that most cyclists have cars, and drive cars, and have a motorist perspective along with a cycling perspective?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:17 AM

    What’s the point in putting in cycle lanes when only a handful of responsible cyclists use them properly. I had 2 near misses last week with cyclists cutting out in front of me even though there was a cycle lane available but they thought that traffic lights and the rules of the road are for everyone else. One idiot had no lights or reflectors in darkness and the other clown was using a cycle lane except he was going the wrong way up it!

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:43 AM

    Brian, if cyclists don’t use the lanes that are provided you need to ask why?

    It’s clearly because it’s if bad design and is probably blocked with cars,busses trucks etc.

    If they built it correctly as they do in the Netherlands and Denmark then cyclists would use them.

    Painting a white line at the side of the road isn’t a bike lane

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:09 AM

    @brian magee: The lanes that I was referring to were both clear at the time and in fact one of them has a hard kerb on the road side so that no cars can park on them as the lane is the main cycle route from UCC to the city centre. Even with all of this cycle friendly saftey some genius decided that a red light wasn’t for him and he decided to shoot across the front of my truck even though the lights were in my favour.

    The second cyclist was clad completely in black from head to toe and hadn’t a single bit of visibility either on him or the bike. As I turned right into a junction ( again with the lights in my favour) he decided to come up the middle of the stopped traffic and go diagonally across the box junction in front of me, up the central meridian and zigzag between the cars at the other side of the road. If it hadn’t been for another truck driver blowing his horn I would have undoubtedly hit that idiot and probably killed him as he wasn’t even wearing a cycle helmet even though that wouldn’t have been much good against a 20 ton truck anyway.

    It begs the question as to why should councils and taxpayers pay to put in bicycle lanes if only a handful of responsible cyclists use them? I understand that at times they are blocked by deliveries or other drivers however deliveries have to be made to businesses and it isn’t always feasible to park 2-300 metres up the road just because there is a cycle lane or yellow lines for that matter. If a lane is blocked then cyclists should do what every other road user has to do and that is slow down, indicate that you are passing the obstruction and then pass when safe to do so. It does not give them the right to just shoot across the road or pull out in front of traffic as though they have a God given right to do so. If a motor vehicle driver did the same they would get done for careless driving so why not the same for cyclists?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:03 PM

    Brian I don’t think anyone would disagree with you that the second guy there was an idiot. And I do feel for truck drivers in the city and I have been one. But you can’t honestly say that there arent as many idiot drivers and pedestrians as there are cyclists. There needs to be a concerted change in the mindset of all road users. The tax payers comment is pretty null, cyclists pay tax just like everybody else.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:13 PM

    @Bilbo Baggins: A simple solution to making cyclists obey the rules of the road is to issue penalty points the same as for motorists. If they break a red light on a bike then they get a fine and penalty points the same as if they were in a car. If they don’t have a licence then the points can be put on file and applied if they ever do apply for a licence. Obviously this remedy wouldn’t work for all cyclists as some might never want to drive but it might just make others think twice about break the rules of the road.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:21 PM

    I’d have no issue with punishing cyclists for breaking the rules. Fines would probably be a better fit. But let’s be honest those are all in place for drivers, yet every light change I see people breaking them we don’t have the resources to enforce the laws we have. Like your comment on double yellows or solid line cycle lanes and parking in them people just break the rules when the rules don’t suit them. Targeted enforcement on all users in troubled areas, but the guards can’t be everywhere. It’s better to build infrastructure fit for purpose. We’re not reinventing the wheel, plenty of countries have done it.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:30 PM

    They have fines.

    But let’s face it, most road deaths are caused by;
    Excess speed;
    Drink drivers;
    Drivers using mobile phones and
    Drivers using mobile phones.

    These aren’t very real policed at all , so why put an effort into doing something that’s causes minimal accidents if any

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:47 PM

    @Brian Ward: Isn’t it funny how people like Brian never seem to notice the motorists that break red lights at every junction all the time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk&t

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:54 PM

    @Shane Hogan:

    Agreed. We need to all be a bit less tribal about this.

    People break the rules of the road whether they’re walking, cycling or in a car.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:35 PM

    @Shane Hogan: Isn’t it funny how you post a video about motorists breaking red lights but fail to mention the cyclists doing exactly the same thing or riding on the footpath!

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:48 PM

    @brian ward I noticed that myself too, let’s just agree it’s not isolated to cyclists nor cars

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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:39 PM

    And 3 times as many deaths by suicide

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:53 PM

    @Brian Ward: Possibly Brian that’s because cyclists breaking red lights or riding on the path don’t kill a couple of hundred people each year, maim hundreds more and injure thousands. If you think cyclists breaking red lights is a significant road safety issue, you need to spend a bit more time looking at the Road Safety Authority research into road deaths and injuries. You need to get motorists to slow down, put down the phone and stay off the beer if you want to reduce the death toll on the roads – nothing to do with cyclists on pavements.

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    Dec 19th 2016, 10:54 PM

    @Shane Hogan: Agreed. I literally see this every day on my commute along the Grand Canal. Drivers ploughing through green men. Yet all the focus is on errant cyclists. I condemn this behaviour in cyclists, too, but how many times has a cyclist killed someone doing this? (It has happened, but very, very rarely.) Cars are a weapon.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:13 AM

    What’s the point if they don’t use them. As a pedestrian I’m tired of having to step into the mud as a cyclist whizzes by on the path even though there is cycle lanes provided

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:45 AM

    The point is that they need to build good ones. Of course people don’t use them when they are badly designed, badly built , and used by cars and trucks as parking bays

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:00 AM

    Cyclists will never be satisfied with what is built for them. In Maynooth they are upgrading the already existing dedicated cycle lanes and the cyclists still take up the whole road and slow traffic.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:07 AM

    Seth are you a cyclist? I’d suggest you try cycling on the path there and you may discover why it’s it being used.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:26 AM

    @brian why aren’t they being used? They are dedicated cycle lanes in good condition. What more could cyclists want?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:38 AM

    @Seth Cheffetz: brian sounds like a cyclo-fascist, getting very wound up on here and won’t listen to reason from anyone.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:53 AM

    Ok Brian, so the next time i’m driving my car and the road is in bits or I feel there is too many obstructions, i’ll just drive on the path in my car and make pedestrians jump out if the way, sure föök it, i’ll just use the same excuse cyclist use and everything will be ok then.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:11 PM

    cyclists are traffic

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:31 PM

    Boeing , hat would be illegal. Cyclist can use the road.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:21 PM

    @ Adam cyclists are Traffic who do not know the rules of the road.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:59 PM

    Brian, so can pedestrians but they choose to use the designated footpath as they know using the road put themselves and others in danger. Cyclists obviously don’t understand this as the majority think when they’re cycling they’re invincible on paths, cycle lanes and roads with no regards to others.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:33 PM

    No pedestrians can’t walk on the road

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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:47 PM

    Completely agree. But watch the grammar…..there ARE for plural

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:20 PM

    Of course they are, if there is no footpath or footpath unusable (same excuse cyclists use for cycle lanes) the rules are, pedestrians are to walk on the right hand side of the road facing traffic, walk as close to the side of the road as possible and walk no more than two abreast, if traffic is heavy, single file must be used. All of that is with exception to motorways, cyclist or pedestrians are not allowed to use them.
    Educate yourself.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:09 AM

    No. They just need to be properly utilised & where they’re unfit for purpose they need to be changed. Rules of the road need to be enforced for ALL road users, not just the lycra lobbyists.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:25 AM

    I drove in city centre for first time in a while recently. I was afraid of my life i would kill a cyclist. They appear from nowhere and just go our in front of you red light or not. I spent a lot of time checking for them but still I had a few unexpected ones appear. Where there are cycle lanes, bikes should be required to stick to them.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:06 PM

    Cyclist are care free unbound by the constraints of motorist. With local councils being anti motorist with some stupid goal of making city centres and towns pedestrian and cycle only with a sprinkling of public transport. Its why the cities centres are dying due to mismanagement and the retail parks away from cray road management are doing so well. When i shop i avoid city centre. When im going for meeting as much as possible will attempt have them somewhere else. The result of piss poor road management is hampering business in Ireland and rolling out cycle lanes and lets be honest here just a painted tract on existing road for the most part is half arsed attempt to be seen to be doing something. Traffic problems in cities is the making of the councils. There should have been road widening and carriageways build to take the traffic quickly in and out of city. There should also be the realisation that the motorists aren’t the villain in this they are your shoppers workers and business people who are needed to generate income to make the cities and towns work and prosper.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:49 PM

    @CarmelOh: The laws of physics will tell you that they don’t ‘appear out of nowhere’. If that’s how it appears to you, you need to work on your observation skills. And as for cycle lanes, if you build decent ones (like the segregated track along the Grand Canal), the cyclists will come. If you build crap ones that lead cyclists into conflict with motorists at every junction, cyclists will stick to the road thanks. Where there are motorways, cars should be required to stick to them and stay off local roads.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:35 AM

    It’s really terrifying cycling at certain parts of the city- the quays, trinity, anywhere there are tramlines, constitution Hill where two lanes suddenly become one and cars still drive as if there are two, massive potholes…. I love cycling but it’s way too dangerous

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:01 PM

    Yet Amsterdam is criss-crossed with tramlines and has plenty of cycle lanes. Agree with you on the lanes. Last week I saw a car heading for the M50 after missing a lane and driving straight ahead onto the opposite carriageway, against the oncoming traffic. In fairness people were horrified, drivers, pedestrians and cyclists waved him back immediately, and he eventually turned back. Scary to think he was about to use a motorway.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:13 AM

    It doesn’t matter as drivers will still be on the cycle lane when stopped in traffic no matter how wide the cycle lane is.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:44 AM

    Paul. That is a lie but if it suits you say it.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:45 AM

    Sadly Vin it’s the truth.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:23 AM

    When cyclists learn NOT to cycle on FOOTpaths…….

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:52 AM

    When cars don’t park in them and pedestrians don’t walk in them maybe

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:17 AM

    @Kal Ipers: Pedestrians are nearly safer in the cycle lane as they are not being used by cyclists.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:24 PM

    Which is the cause and which is the effect that Mary? I got awful abuse yesterday for ‘cycling at’ a pedestrian in the phoenix park, It was in a segregated cycle lane. How can it ever work if people of all modes of transport just suit themselves?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:07 PM

    @Peter Buchanan: Perhaps when car-ists learn NOT to park on FOOTpaths?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:00 PM

    But for everyone…cyclists and motorists…the rule is simple. Pedestrians have the rights to cross roads and cycling lanes. Motorists AND cyclists need to give way to people walking. A cycling lane..no more than a driving lane..does NOT give you the right to mow people down

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:55 PM

    @Tony Hannon: Very true Tony – and a quick look at our Road Traffic data will tell you who actually mows down who on the roads. Hint: It’s not cyclists who mow down others.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:18 AM

    All irish towns should have a decent ring road around them. This will reduce the unnecessary gridlock in all towns in this country. More cycle lanes to enhance safety. How many cyclists do you see in any town or city? Not many. Even pedestrians are scarce. Everyone brings the car. Public transport is a discrace by European standards. The government are too obsessed with profit above services. This has been going on for decades. Irelaid had a good public transport service in the 50s but our great government closed down nearly half the railways with the advantage of the car. Dublin had a good tram service. That was shut down. Reopened as the Las in recent times at a cost of billions. Penny wise and pound foolish.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:12 AM

    One problem we’ve had with ring roads is that we have built them and the not invested in the town centres. If town centres are upgraded at the same time ring roads are built, they can be made way more pedestrian and cycle friendly. Wait more than 5 years and they will have become full of cars again and it’s too late.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:28 AM

    An improved cycling culture overall is needed. For the most part,cycling lanes are not fit for purpose (basing that on what I’ve seen in limerick and cork where they are pathetic). I often cycle on the main road even when sporadic cycle lanes are provided as they are often full of glass or I will likely kill a dopey pedestrian who decides to walk in front of me. Having said that, some of the behaviour of ‘commuter’ cyclists is mind-blowing. Breaking red lights is unacceptable but some do it as if it’s a right. I used to make a game of trying to catch up to them and pass them out before the next set of red lights and repeat as they invariably continued to break those.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:40 AM

    @Hughiealonso: ha very same I always catch the light breakers, always find it strange that people don’t break them cause they’re in a hurry they just don’t think the apply to them.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:05 PM

    @Hughiealonso: I have had fantasies of dressing up as a guard, then catching up to cyclists that break red lights and handing out fines. Maybe they would think twice about doing it if this was a real thing that happened.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:11 PM

    Your fantasies are very tame

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:15 AM

    Easiest solution is to cut on street parking to create cycle lanes. No need to eat up existing traffic lanes or footpaths. On street parking is a bit of a nightmare for cars too as the time taken to parallel park can quickly jam up traffic.

    There would need to be appropriate off street parking created to facilitate this, but that isn’t all that hard.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:29 AM

    What cycle lanes?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:42 AM

    @Paul A Whelan: The ones beside the footpath.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:54 AM

    Waste of money. They wouldn’t use them anyway. If they build them I’d like to see fines for cyclists that don’t use the cycle lanes.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:50 PM

    @Alan: I’d like to see fines for motorists that don’t use motorways. Stay off local roads.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:44 PM

    @Alan:

    1. It’s not a waste of money. More people cycling means healthier people, which reduces burden on our health system. It pays for itself many times over. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800915000907

    2. Cyclists by and large use cycle lanes when they’re built well. Just look at the new cycle lane on the canals.

    3. There is a raft of fines introduced last year for cyclists who are doing illegal activity, which is a good step towards creating responsible cycling in the city.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:43 AM

    Cyclists need to be fined for not using lanes already there. Nearly every day there are cyclists holding up traffic on the coast road along clontarf when there are lovely free and unblocked cycle lanes the whole way along they don’t bother using

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:46 AM

    Chiqio. The lanes are there. Ii asked the Guards i was told they don’t have to use them.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:48 AM

    That’s a stupid idea, because a lot of them are dangerous and that’s why there is no requirement to use them.

    If they made them compulsory they would have to remove over 70% of them and upgrade the remaining 30%

    In fact Dublin City have started to re move them and are marking bus lanes as mixed bus and bike lanes

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:00 AM

    @Chiqeyo: Yeh cars are never in cycle lanes…

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:22 AM

    @chiq, not familiar with those lanes, but a lot of suburban lanes I’ve seen are alongside footpath and are bumpy and narrow but grand for ambling around on Mtb, and perfect for kids on bikes, but not suitable for someone on a road bike doing speeds of up to 50kph which would be scary for the other path users and pedestrians. So they will always be using the road I’d say. Maybe the lanes will be done differently but I can’t see it ever being obligatory to use them for that reason.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:49 PM

    @Chiqeyo: The cycle lane along the cost road is one of the worse designed cycle lanes there are. Firstly it is on the wrong side of a storm wall and elevated. Perfect to be blown by the wind and make it about twice the effort to cycle. Then it has little drops down to the path that aren’t very visible in the dark and that is ignoring the pedestrians walking in with dogs. Great to have a lead stretched across your path.
    If you actually cycled you wold find cars slow down cyclists all the time by blocking cycle lanes.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:37 AM

    Cyclists think its the motorists duty to take care of them they rarely use the cycle lanes and when they do and want to pass out another cyclist they just go ahead and do it with ear phones in they can’t hear they never signal they are aggressive and they really should remember that cat hits bike they might end up in a wheelchair or worse
    The ads on the TV give them the theia the

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:40 AM

    Idea that we the Motorists are on Holiday and we can take our time when they are cycling 3 abreast on a narrow and laughing when the see a few cars behind them.
    They are the ones who should show respect.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:10 AM

    Overtake when safe to do so von, simples. Oh and leave plenty of space, I usually cross the white line when overtaking a cyclist.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:21 AM

    Von I hear your pain. On N11 and M50 I see cars going slow stuck in lines every day of the week , 2 or 3 cars beside each other. Gas, break, honk, gas, break, honk.

    I can only imagine how annoying it is being stuck for a few seconds behind cyclists.

    Cyclists are stuck behind cars every day in they cities.

    Get over yourself

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:26 PM

    Malvolio32. The road i use is a narrow one and the cyclists love it and have no manners if you honk at them after 3 or 4 miles its worse.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:51 PM

    @von: Far more motorists/passengers/pedestrians end up in wheelchairs than cyclists Von. Why do you want to spread unwarranted fear?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:25 AM

    When I questioned a cyclist once as to why he was not using the cycle lane beside us he said it was his constitutional right to use the road. Herein lies the problem

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:07 PM

    It’s the truth though, no requirement to use them exist

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:59 PM

    @Ian James Burgess: I don’t use many of them as they aren’t fit for purpose. Some go uphill while the road doesn’t , they cross roads several times while the road doesn’t, they have cars parked in them etc… My favourite is they brush the leaves out of the foot path and into the cycle lane making them extremely dangerous.
    So while one cyclist gave you a reason, that sounds like was a defensive response, they do not speak for all have did not give you the list of reasons which exist. Go cycle in them and you will see, I drive too by the way so know what it is like to drive around bad cyclists but the truth is drivers are reckless, selfish and down right aggressive towards cyclists. I am lite up like a Christmas tree and drivers still don’t see me. Enforcement for all is the solution but be clear drivers are the biggest danger.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:03 PM

    Ian, when I cycle to work I have one job and that is to get home to my kids. In many instances it’s more dangerous to use the cycle lane so I legally use the bus lanes and regular lane.

    To be honest the cyclist did Well not to say anything else to you, do you regularly question other road users.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:53 PM

    @Ian James Burgess: THere was no mention of cycle lanes in the Constitution, last time I read it, Ian. But he’s right to say that he is not legally required to use them. Did he ask you why you weren’t driving on the motorway instead of on the local road. I mean, we build all these motorways and then drivers insist on driving on local roads instead….

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:19 PM

    @Shane Hogan: dont ask such stupid questions, perhaps there was no motorway the country is not covered in motorways they are a main road system between towns and were built as such, dublin co co built a road from the N7 to tallaght it has a cycle and pedestrian lanes beside it and only recently did they think to put up a sign saying bus lane suspended perhaps they realised in their wisdom that there wasnt a bus route on that road,I dont ever remember seeing a cyclist on that road and very seldom a pedestrian….

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:58 PM

    @Peter donnelly: Peter, I’ve cycled that road myself from time to time, but why were you driving on it? Why didn’t you stick on the M50 from the N7 to Tallaght? I mean we build these motorways exclusively for drivers and then they insist on using local roads instead? Can you believe it?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:28 AM

    The design in that picture is so bad. Who thinks it’s safe to have pedestrians crossing a cycle lane to get to their car? This is roughly the layout in the Phoenix Park and one person was killed and another injured because of it a few months ago.

    If the Councils are serious about encouraging cycling they would be getting CPOs to widen existing roads to accommodate cyclists. At least then motorists, cyclists and pedestrians can have their own space. Safer for everyone and less road rage.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:46 PM

    @Ronan McKeon:

    It’s a common pattern in mainland europe. You’re right to be concerned, it’s not for us everywhere. On roads with very heavy traffic it’s a bad idea. However, on quieter roads, it’s a good way to make cycling safer.

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    Dec 19th 2016, 12:29 AM

    Ronan for clarity it was a cyclist that was killed when he hit a pedestrian in the bike lane.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:24 PM

    The use of a simple kerb separating the cycle lane from the car lane, as I came across in London years ago, would be relatively inexpensive, on routes with high traffic volumes such as the Quays.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:58 AM

    Having dedicated cycle lanes would be the ideal but Dublin simply does not have the space for it. Why build something to benefit a few which will also inconvenience thousands? In Maynooth they are wasting money expanding the already existing dedicated cycle paths. They have narrowed the main road through town causing chaos. The cyclists still use the road and ignore the dedicated cycle path…

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:50 PM

    @Seth Cheffetz: The idea is to benefit everyone. Getting people out from cars onto bikes will reduce traffic overall.

    We do have a lot of narro roads, but so does Amsterdam. The key is to find clever solutions where there is space and we can achieve the goal without much disruption.

    Regarding people not using the cycle lanes, that’s ridiculous, but if you actually cycle the path yourself, it’s often quite clear, that’s it’s covred with glass and mini potholes. Most cyclists will choose a good quality cycle lane over a road any day if it’s in good condition.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:39 AM

    What needs to be done is to make it illegal for cyclists to cycle on foot paths , it has become a nightmare to walk on the footpaths with the large number of speeding bikes

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:04 PM

    It is illegal

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:45 PM

    It’s also illegal for a car to park on the footpath

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:01 AM

    They should take their bikes back to the playground with all the other children’s toys.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:11 PM

    @Jon Rodgers: I guess you’re a bit fan of traffic jams, Jon, if you want all those cyclists to get back into their cars instead?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:34 PM

    @Shane Hogan:
    Shane, why don’t you move 20 miles outside of your cozy urban centre (Dublin? I’m assuming) and cycle or walk in to work everyday 365 days a year?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:37 PM

    @Jake Gundersonn: Why Jake – did I suggest that anyone else should move house, or that anyone else should change their mode of transport?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:14 AM

    The majority of cyclist have no idea what a cycle lane is for as they cycle up the middle of the street, weave in & out of traffic, ignore traffic lights, pedestrian lights. Why waste more money on something which is not going to be used by most cyclists. There are a small number of cyclists who obey the rules of the road but not most.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:10 PM

    Cycling on the road is not illegal even if there is a cycling path.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:35 PM

    Mary, cyclist will use good lanes. If they are not being used there is a issue with them.
    Any investment should be done properly and in consultation with cyclist groups.

    There’s a lot of stuff out there where they clearly had no input from actual cyclists.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:54 PM

    @Mary Gray: Funny how Mary get’s so animated about cyclists ignoring traffic lights but never seems to notice how drivers ignore lights at every junction, every time; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:56 PM

    Cyclists are a law unto themselves. Tax them and tax them hard for using our roads.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:09 PM

    Our roads?? LOL , everybody pays taxes that are used to pay for the roads, it’s idiots like you that use this narrative to justify a silly argument.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:12 PM

    @John Henry: When are motorists going to start paying for the 1/3 of our national carbon emissions. Tax them and tax them hard…..

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    Dec 19th 2016, 12:03 PM

    John 99% of us drive cars too and pay our taxes.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:26 AM

    Cyclists rarely obey the rules of the road anyway, 3 or 4 abreast ignoring everything else going on around them…. just give them the bloody lanes already

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:54 AM

    Can you cite that rule about riding 3 or 4 abreast ?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:32 PM

    @stephen it can be dangerous when the truck your holding up is overtaking you.
    But you seem to have all answers Stephen, you tell me

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:46 PM

    You can’t say that someone needs to learn the rules of the road when you don’t know them yourself

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:55 PM

    @Phil Hegarty: If it’s dangerous, it is because the truck driver failed to find a safe spot to overtake.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:07 PM

    @shane: It’s called showing courtesy to fellow road users mate. Of course cyclists thinks they can take over both road and foothpath and everyone else should bow

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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:19 PM

    @Phill this practice is done for safety so you and your truck don’t try and squeeze through them and the oncoming car thus running them off the road.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:27 PM

    @Stephen Devlin: there is no rule that is part of the problem but it is common to see them 2/3/4 abreast down country roads and show no regard for other road users….

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:46 PM

    @ Peter there is a rule and this practice is encouraged for safety

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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:53 PM

    @Phil Hegarty: No Phil, cyclists have the same entitlement to use the road as everyone else. They’re not some kind of 2nd class citizens who have get out of the way for others. How often do you move over in heavy urban traffic to let a faster cyclist through? Yeah, I thought so.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:11 AM

    How????

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:33 PM

    @Darren Mc Mahon: In a lot of places, there’s allegedly no space for a cycle lane, but there’s space for car parking on both sides of the road.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:39 PM

    cyclists have to be deaf and dumb i work in the city centre they go though red light even the one with a little cycle on them thats for meant for cyclists, then cycle on the footpaths if you get in their way you are abused or threatend happened to me me a few times!! i seen one idiot headphones on hands off the handle bars while he texted on the phone, it seems they dont need lights or any other device to be seen in the dark. where i live the council in their wisdom cut down mature trees to widen foot paths to put cycle lanes in owen keegan is determined to get his way regarding cycle lanes!!

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:59 PM

    @Stephen Finn: Stephen, do you not seem to notice the many motorists who frequently blow through red lights in the city? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk

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    Dec 18th 2016, 6:35 PM

    @Shane Hogan: very few compared with idiot cyclists and how many have been charged with going though traffic lights very few, red light are for all road users simple

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:15 PM

    @Stephen Finn: Very few? Really Stephen? About 2,600 drivers were convicted of breaking red lights in Dublin city alone in 2015? Is that ‘very few’? Is it certainly way more than the TOTAL number of cyclist convictions for all offences. Try to stick to something vaguely near the facts please.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:36 PM

    @Shane Hogan: facts the guards are turning a blind eye to cyclists naturally you get stopped if your driving a car truck bus if you cause an accident how many have been hit by cyclists and are injured only to see the clown cycle off you must work for the council or a tree hugger if your telling me that all cyclists obey the law need to open your eyes FACT!

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    Dec 19th 2016, 2:34 PM

    @Stephen Finn:: You did look at the video that I linked above, Stephen, right? The one showing drivers routinely breaking red lights at every change of lights. And you see this happening all over the city, like I do, at every junction at every change of lights. And you know from every news report and every Garda report that it is motorists that kill and maim on the road, every day and every week, right? But your major concern is cyclists breaking red lights? So tell me Stephen – when was the last time you broke a speed limit while driving?

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:27 PM

    The problem with Dublin is that there are to many busses and nolt enough cyclists to make the city environmentally friendly and polution free.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:47 PM
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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:44 PM

    That’s silly. Decent public transport would be a better idea. Plenty of people cannot cycle, and certainly can’t afford to run a car. If you had continuous, dedicated cycle lanes it would be good for cyclists, for motorists who cycle, and for bus drivers. But reducing the bus service even more won’t help anybody.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:37 PM

    Why do cyclists insist on travelling along in the centre of a buslane where cycle paths are provided??? And totally ignore red lights,boils my blood.not all cyclists

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:24 PM

    That’s called the primary position and is the safest place to be as the bus driver will see you there, there may be drains, pot holes or places where Eircom or UPC dug up the rosd and didn’t repair it that prevent people from using the edge of the lane . Or there may be bus stops ahead or left turns. (Bus stops or left turns are a real threat to cyclists)

    With cycling it’s about self preservation, there’s usually a logic reason why cyclists are in the road position that they are.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:01 PM

    @John Rag Scales: Why do you only notice the cyclists who ignore red lights, John? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:42 PM

    Not taking sides, I’m a pedestrian. I often see drivers after a minor collision kick the discarded car parts into the gutter and drive away. It’s no small hazard, even if the bits are out of the way of vehicles with four or more wheels. Why don’t all drivers park and walk back for their discarded bits of bumper, cracked fairings, old wing mirrors, put them in the boot? You can’t argue that drivers are too young to know any better. I wouldn’t expect any cyclists to travel in the gutter, by the kerb. It’s an obstacle course because of such litter.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:57 PM

    No. But I think driving tests should include a spatial awareness test.
    Only people who can judge distances, speed , area etc effectively should be allowed to use a vehicle designed for intention of travel.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:29 PM

    Well after reading all the complaints from the cyclists ii think they should get the bus. Problem solved.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:58 PM

    @von: Do you have a couple of hundred new busses out your back garden Von to accommodate them? And by the way, you don’t have a back garden any more as we’ve built more roads to accommodate the new buses required for cyclists.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:33 PM

    Cyclists should pay road tax and insurance.
    We live in a world of user pays.

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    Mute Stephen Devlin
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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:55 PM

    You don’t pay any road tax yourself so why would cyclists pay it?

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    Mute Kal Ipers
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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:00 PM

    @Moorooka Mick: When cars pay road tax I will pay it to use my bicycle. Seeing as they don’t pay the cost of the roads are you prepared to pay road tax that matches the cost and stop it coming out of general taxation?Car insurance is expensive because of the cost of the damages they cause or can be caused to them.
    As for the motor tax you pay it is substantially lower than the cost to the government even with the charges on fuel due to carbon levies we pay. Cars are heavily subsidised when you actually look at the details.
    More bicycles actually allows traffic to move quickly as it means less cars. As I live in Dublin central I pay more property tax than those living further out yet they drive and congest where I live. The bicycle was around and used in Dublin before the cars and worked well. A congestion charge is coming and the city cycling infrastructure is going to improve. It is only a matter of how long it takes. Should do it now so they plan development of the city better.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:54 PM

    @Moorooka Mick: Let’s see motorists paying the full cost of their carbon emissions for a start.

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    Mute Neale Dalton
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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:39 PM

    Cyclists should have to pay road tax to pay for cycle lanes especially now they are taking more of the road .

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:00 PM

    @Neale Dalton: Actually, cyclists should be paid by the State to cycle, as they do in France and Milan; http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-bicycles-idUSKBN0ED1O120140602

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    Mute Stephen Devlin
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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:49 PM

    1. It’s “motor tax” there is no road tax
    2. Everyone contributes to the road (anyone that pays taxes) so this means cyclists pay towards to the road
    3. Most cyclists also drive cars (which means they pay motor tax) but choose to cycle for health / traffic / whatever reason.

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    Mute Gerry Fallon
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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:36 PM

    Are you for real? More space? They are now cycling in the outer Lane and they are not even using the cycle lanes provided for them. They are taking over the city streets.weaving in and out of cars and buses and breaking every red light as people old and mothers pushing prams across the road while they have the pedestrian right of way. So no no no.should they get more space on our roads. Motorists paying tax and insurance and cyclists pay nothing.

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:56 PM

    @Gerry Fallon: Hey Gerry, is it only cyclists that you notice breaking red lights? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk&t

    And if you want to talk about ‘paying nothing’, when are motorists going to start paying for the 1/3 of our carbon emissions that they produce?

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    Mute Jake Gundersonn
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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:01 PM

    @Gerry Fallon:
    True it seems to be a Dublin problem more so.
    Cyclists in Dublin should have to perform an exam in order to cycle among traffic.
    It’s ludicrous you can hop on a bike and cycle down along major city traffic whenever you feel like it. No regulation.
    I’m sure cyclists produce these articles so expect red thumbs even if you are in the right

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    Mute Gerry Fallon
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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:21 PM

    Shane do you drive a car yes or no?

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    Mute Jake Gundersonn
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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:30 PM

    @Shane Hogan:
    How about we all walk to work and leave a couple of hours earlier to avoid that guild then Shane? Would that make you happy? The trees would be happy

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    Mute Alan Scott
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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:41 PM

    There is no law to force cyclists onto the cycle lanes and that is pretty stupid considering the cost of providing them.

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:28 PM

    @Gerry Fallon: Yes, Gerry, surprisingly enough, like most cyclists, I drive a car from time to time. I normally commute by bike, as it is generally quicker than the car, and I get my exercise in during the day. But really, why does it matter? Can’t you just debate based on facts?

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:40 PM

    @Jake Gundersonn: How’s that exam/test/licence system working out for making sure drivers stick to traffic laws, Jake? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk

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    Mute Gerry Fallon
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    Dec 18th 2016, 6:31 PM

    Shane you seem to be arguing with everybody on the journal. You’re moaning about carbon emissions yet you admit to driving a car.By the way I’m a keen cyclist too ok. Who do you think you are deferential get the whole cycling world.? Chill out Shane and relax mate.its the season of goodwill.Calm down and go out for a few jars but don’t cycle home with drink on you and no light ok. Merry Xmas Shane.

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    Mute Stephen Devlin
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    Dec 18th 2016, 7:10 PM

    That would mean they all would have to be safe which evidently they are not.

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:10 PM

    @Gerry Fallon: I’m very calm, thanks, Gerry. That doesn’t mean that I let you spew out the kind of hatred and bile that plays a part in cyclists being driven off the road. Cyclists are no better and no worse at complying with red lights than other road users, and they’re certainly a lot better at sticking to safe speeds on the road. They also don’t kill hundreds of people on the road each year. The old ‘road tax’ argument is nonsense, because a) road tax doesn’t exist b) cyclists pay lots of tax, income tax, excise tax, VAT and normally, motor tax on the car they left sitting in their driveway.So could out the factually incorrect rants designed to stir up hatred before you go advising others to ‘chill out’.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:56 PM

    My God Shane I hope you’re getting a nice book for Xmas on how to keep calm coz you need it bro.

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 19th 2016, 2:35 PM

    @Gerry Fallon: Yes, Gerry, I’m getting a nice book about how people spew out lies and attack vulnerable groups on social media, and how this results in attacks, deaths, Trump, Brexit etc. Should I pass it onto you when I finish?

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    Mute ScotsAmbassador2IRL
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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:04 PM

    Maybe if they pay Road Tax..

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    Mute Stephen Devlin
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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:16 PM

    If you were smart enough you would realise “road tax” does not exist

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    Mute Jake Gundersonn
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    Dec 18th 2016, 3:46 PM

    @Stephen Devlin:
    What is it I pay annually then? It’s named road tax. What it’s used for is irrelevant in this context.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:13 PM

    Go and have a look at your “motor tax” certificate, you might have to read it to understand.

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    Mute Peter donnelly
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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:36 PM

    @Stephen Devlin: road tax does exist it was just changed in the 80`s on to petrol/diesel and and the charge on cars was changed to motor registeration fee of a fiver which has evolved into the new road tax so you are paying double for your road tax as you are for your water which was put onto fuel at the same time….

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    Mute Stephen Devlin
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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:04 PM

    @ Peter: Welcome to 2016 where we have “Motor tax” you said it yourself it was changed in the 80′s anyway that money only contributes to part of the roads expenses the rest comes from taxes that everyone pays so saying that motorists only pay for the road is just silly.

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    Mute Anthony Byrne
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    Dec 18th 2016, 8:07 PM

    Even as a keen cyclist I voted no. Because it’s not cycle lanes we need, it is more safe driving habits from all road users that we need, drivers and cyclists alike.

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    Dec 18th 2016, 9:13 PM
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    Mute Paul Bennison
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    Dec 18th 2016, 1:23 PM

    If a cyclist has a driving licence then they are entitled to be on the road, if they don’t there should be a test a new cyclist to road should have to take before being allowed on the roads. Just the same as if you were learning to drive a car, you are not deemed safe or knowledgeable or road aware until you have completed your test. As with all of us experience comes with practice.

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:00 PM

    @Paul Bennison: How’s that testing system working out for ensuring that drivers are ‘safe and knowledgeable’ on the road, Paul? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk&t

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    Mute The Viking
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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:27 AM

    If anyone has driven through Blackrock were you need to put grease on your veichle you would obviously say no. The roads need to be widened were possible to facilitate wider cycle lanes .

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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:13 PM

    @The Viking: Usually just isn’t the space available, so the best option is to take way the on-street storage in public space of private property (parking bays) to make room for people to actually use the roads for moving around.

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    Mute Drew TheChinaman :)
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    Dec 18th 2016, 4:50 PM

    Get on a plane, go to the disaster of bumper to bumper traffic that currently is London because half the road space has been taken over by cycle lanes and superhighways. Pay a congestion charge or sit in a taxi in grid lock traffic because a road that was 4 lanes is now two and watch one cyclist ride by every 5-10mins….

    Then tell me these bloody things are good idea.

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 18th 2016, 5:01 PM

    @Drew TheChinaman :): Yes, one cyclist every 5-10 minutes, that’s exactly right, Drew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc56DbqxHIs

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    Mute Pauly Hughes
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    Dec 18th 2016, 6:50 PM

    Sure that would be great if cyclists would use the cycle lanes or learn what a red light means

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    Mute Stephen Devlin
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    Dec 18th 2016, 6:55 PM

    Cars break the lights and so do pedestrians! There is no law for cyclists to use the cycle lanes as quite a lot are unsafe / inadequate.

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    Mute Pauly Hughes
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    Dec 18th 2016, 8:21 PM

    The same can be said for a lot of roads in poor condition cars dont have a choice as I drive for a living I see plenty of cars break red lights but I observe nearly all cyclists with some exceptions break red lights or go on the footpath to avoid the red light

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 19th 2016, 2:38 PM

    @Pauly Hughes: Do you ever break the speed limit, Pauly?

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    Mute Michael Clinton
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    Dec 18th 2016, 12:08 PM

    How about diverting the money to education, there are way more responsible cyclists than irresponsible as are there more responsible drivers than irresponsible drivers. Education and enforcement of existing laws is needed.

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    Mute brian magee
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    Dec 19th 2016, 12:37 AM

    About 99% of drivers exceed the speed limit and use their mobile phones, how about we educate them as they pose much more of a danger in the roads

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    Mute Michael Clinton
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    Dec 19th 2016, 1:06 AM

    Where are you getting your stats ,I agree that a lot of drivers speed and quite a lot of them still use the phones but nothing like 99%. When I say education I mean for all .

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    Dec 19th 2016, 2:43 PM

    @Michael Clinton: Surveys I’ve seen show between 60% and 80% of drivers break speed limits. And RSA stats show that motorists kill 100% of people killed on the road.

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    Mute Alan Scott
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    Dec 18th 2016, 2:11 PM

    I drive on roads where they are not wide enough to accommodate cycle Lane and cars the Green Hill road is one of very many and I also to say the SDCC are totally of their or maybe it’s the RSA for putting up a massive amount of traffic lights way to many for people crossing the road from City West to Tallaght village on the N 81 which leads to terrible congestion time delay for motorist coming from minor roads.

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    Mute Sophie Hynes
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    Dec 19th 2016, 7:41 AM

    What does need to happen with cyclists is that it needs to be mandatory that they wear high vis jackets and helmets, just like a motorist has to wear a helmet. Also they should have to have a licence plate on the back of the bike which is issued when you buy the bike. At least then if a cyclist knocks a pedestrian down you have some way of tracking them down. And lastly they should have to pay road tax, they don’t pay for anything and all our roads are being reduced in size for them but the motorists are paying for it all

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    Mute Sophie Hynes
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    Dec 19th 2016, 7:42 AM

    @Sophie Hynes: sorry meant to say just like a motorist has to wear a seat belt

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 19th 2016, 2:37 PM

    @Sophie Hynes: Sophie, if you want to reduce head injuries, you should require all motorists to wear helmets, like the Formula 1 drivers, because that’s where the vast majority of head injures take place – in cars and trucks and vans. Cycling is no more dangerous than walking, so do you wear a helmet while walking? Not suprisingly, you’re also talking nonsense about ‘road tax’ – which doesn’t exist. Read the comments above if you want to get the facts on this.

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    Mute Termaz Fx
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    Dec 19th 2016, 9:25 AM

    Work harder, get a car and leave cycles to the kids. You know, just like you did with teddy bears, doll houses and other childish stuff.
    A bit sad really when a grown man with a job in a 21st century cant afford a car and needs to settle for a cycle

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 19th 2016, 2:39 PM

    @Termaz Fx: What a silly small-minded comment. Have you not worked out that most cyclists have a car, that they choose to leave sitting in their driveway, so that they can get some exercise in their working day? And have you not worked out that some of those bikes on the road are worth more than your car?

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    Mute Pauly Hughes
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    Dec 19th 2016, 3:48 PM

    no do you

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    Mute Brendan Keegan
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    Dec 19th 2016, 1:25 PM

    Cycling is only for stupid people. People who believe the bullshit spread by the government that it is good for you. The only reason you are on bike is because you can’t afford a car or the bus fares.

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    Mute Aindriú Mac Giolla Eoin
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    Dec 18th 2016, 11:00 AM

    There is only so much road space available and we have to get the maximum use out of existing road space. The car isn’t the solution so I would have to favor more road space for bikes. More rail and buses too.

    Obviously there are small streets everywhere in Ireland where nothing can be done.

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    Mute Brendan Glynn
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    Dec 18th 2016, 7:23 PM

    Sure! the use all the road anyway – even where there are existing cycle lanes -its a joke ! – cyclists are cynical!! My “pet” hate! They were all this luminous gear and then cycle on roads when there’s a safe cycle lane on the inside – defies logic!

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    Mute Stephen Devlin
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    Dec 18th 2016, 7:54 PM

    Very hard to observe the state of cycling lanes when flying past in a car.

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 19th 2016, 2:42 PM

    @Brendan Glynn: Have you tried cycling on those ‘safe’ cycle lanes, Brendan? Have you seen how they bring cyclists into dangerous positions at every junction? And how they are frequently spattered with broken glass and mushy leaves? And how they often dotted with pedestrians, sometimes dog-walkers with their near-invisible extendible dog leads stretched across the lane? Try it out, then you’ll see how ‘logical’ it is.

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    Mute Michael Kearney
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    Dec 18th 2016, 10:25 PM

    More road manners to Cyclists would help.

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    Mute Shane Hogan
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    Dec 19th 2016, 2:40 PM

    @Michael Kearney: You’re dead right, Michael – drivers need to show much better road manners to cyclists.

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    Dec 19th 2016, 4:15 AM
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    Dec 19th 2016, 12:54 AM

    And motor bike lane’s

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