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Contactless and smartphone payments on Dublin Bus may be possible 'late next year'

Dublin Bus CEO Ray Coyne also said that any decision to go fully cashless would be taken by government.

DEBIT CARD PAYMENTS on buses could be in place late next year after it was confirmed that the National Transport Authority (NTA) had launched a tendering process for the new system. 

The new system would “dynamically update” so that the fare charged to the customer would depend on the frequency of use, as is the case with some services with the Leap Card.  

Stakeholders were providing an update to the Oireachtas Transport Committee this afternoon on the transport strategy for the Dublin area. 

Speaking to TDs and Senators, Dublin Bus CEO Ray Coyne said he expects the new system to be in place “at the latter end of 2023″ depending on the results of the tendering process. 

Digital payment options that would allow passengers to pay with contactless bank cards, smartphones and QR codes have been mooted for some time, with Ireland lagging behind some other countries that have introduced such systems. 

The NTA said last year that 2023 or 2024 would be a “likely timeline” for the new system but that this was an estimate. 

Speaking today, Coyne said the tendering process for the “next generation ticket” project had now commenced. 

He added that it would also account for the weekly and daily caps on charges that apply to the Leap Card system:

It depends what the NTA request but you can pay with your bank card, Garmin Pay, Apple Watch, it could be your phone.It dynamically updates, so if you just did one journey and it’s a €1 fare it will charge you a euro, if you did 20 journeys and it’s going to be €2 or whatever it’ll charge you that after the event, it will always give you the cheapest fare.They’ve started the tender process so that’s commenced, 2023-24 you’ll see it rolled out on buses. 

It has previously been suggested that the “next generation ticketing” system would move to cashless payments by 2027 but Coyne also said today that any move to make public transport fully cashless would be a decision to be taken by government.  

“In terms of cash versus cashless, it’s tipping into 90% cashless, which is great. It will be a government, political decision to go cashless and that’s what we’ve see in other jurisdictions,” he said. 

You might get it down to about 2% through heavily discounting cashless and ramping up. That then becomes a political decision, some people don’t have the money to have credit in a Leap Card or they only want to do a journey twice a year or something. 

Coyne said if cashless travel was a goal for government then a decision “would have to be made very quickly”.

He added, however, that while it would save Dublin Bus some money it would “not be significant”.

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    Mute Franklin Roosevelt
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    Dec 7th 2017, 5:58 PM

    We have a bank cartel, a duopoly of media, an energy providers oligopoly, and an insurance cartel.

    And to top it off, we have a coalition government that have run the country for 100 years, and will do nothing about any of it!

    Time to change how we vote folks!

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    Mute Martin Ryan
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:01 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: ? Main thing is they are all well educated.

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    Mute John the Baptist
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:07 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt:
    The only alternative is the useless left and even more useless left leaning independents

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    Mute Anthony Gallagher
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:08 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: well said franklin sums it up in a nut shell .

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    Mute Franklin Roosevelt
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:28 PM

    @John the Baptist: who is this useless left that you speak of and what policies of theirs do you not like?

    Very easy to criticize without offering a useful alternative.

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    Mute Andy K
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:29 PM

    @John the Baptist: Yeah, we need to vote SF! A terrorist organisation would do some changes alright!

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    Mute Julian Friesel
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:32 PM

    @John the Baptist: anything to back up your sweeping statement or are you just trash talking anyone who’s not a conservative? looking for some factual argument

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    Mute Franklin Roosevelt
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:35 PM

    @Andy K: ugh, this boring troll.

    Yeah, Pearse Doherty, an engineering school dropout, is a terrorist.

    And Mary Lou, a former research and consultant, is also a terrorist.

    Gimme a break.

    Their policies are far better than any pathetic proposals by FFG.

    You can’t criticize their policies, so you talk bullsh*t.

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    Mute Dot Com
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    Dec 7th 2017, 7:12 PM

    @Andy K: YAWN.

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    Mute Cathal S Byrne
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    Dec 7th 2017, 8:52 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: they advocate open borders…they would ruin this country if in power on that issue alone.

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    Mute Sean Conway
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    Dec 7th 2017, 9:40 PM

    @John the Baptist: That’s a cop out. if they had the TD’s to make it past the line. they would relish it. corbyn in the labour party has the same ideas as our lefties.

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    Mute Gerry Murphy
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    Dec 7th 2017, 9:41 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: Thing is we don’t have an alternative, Left or right!!!!! Despite the daily nonsense you write about SF they have too much baggage and their time in government in the North wouldn’t fill you with much enthusiasm.

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    Mute Joe Travers
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:03 PM

    They asked for whistle blowers to come forward. Are they out of their fooking mind. What whistleblower will stick their head above the parapet in this country, where the guards and government will come after you.

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    Mute Dot Com
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    Dec 7th 2017, 7:10 PM

    Another outstanding investigation into the bleeding obvious, Returning a result that black is indeed white and Ian Pasley was Catholic.

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    Mute Martin Ryan
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:00 PM

    Of course their is no cartel whoever came up with such a suggestion A very honest bunch of lads in the banking industry wouldnt tell a lie or steal your money and its regulated by another bunch of lovely lads and when it all goes bang again we wont have to bail them out honeatly.

    This is the gospel according to
    Eddie Hobbs.

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    Mute Martin Ryan
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    Dec 7th 2017, 7:17 PM

    @Joe Bloggs: No your right joe, you would read it in the Irish Times, where all the educated go to be further brainwashed.

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    Mute Anthony Gallagher
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:10 PM

    No hard evidence ,come on we are talking about the banks ,ask little seany ,another soft landing for the financial services industry .what else could one expect in the land of the gombeens .

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    Mute James O'Brien
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:02 PM

    There watchdogs are a bunch of stevie wonders then.

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    Mute Lobert Rester
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    Dec 7th 2017, 5:57 PM

    The state of the country and the tracker mortgage fiasco would bed to disagree.

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    Mute Skinnerbot
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    Dec 7th 2017, 5:54 PM

    Quite a poor watchdog. They want their stomach scratched as the bankers fleece the country

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    Mute Tom Newnewman
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:11 PM

    @Skinnerbot: Yes the UK banks offering 100% house loans and wrecking our banking system are gone. These banks were welcomed by the media when they arrived and praised for breaking the prudent banking practiced by our banks.

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    Mute Pat Lonergan
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    Dec 7th 2017, 5:55 PM

    Ah that’s grand so… after all when did an arm of the Irish state ever ever ever get it wrong about our fabled wank …sorry Banking System

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    Mute Stephen Maher
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    Dec 7th 2017, 5:55 PM

    Whats her backround?

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    Mute Fifty Shades of Sé
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:11 PM

    Somebody gave that watchdog a big juicy steak I’d say.

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    Mute Shakka1244
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:10 PM

    Maybe the onus should be on the banks to prove they are not a cartel. If it looks like a duck etc…

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    Mute Hans Vos
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    Dec 7th 2017, 7:11 PM

    I think that the watchdog needs their own watchdog. I never saw an more useless bunch in my life.

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    Mute Derek Richardson
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:02 PM

    It’s not a banking cartel it is an upgraded hole in the gang with Armani suits

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    Mute ForeverFeel1ng
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:42 PM

    Someone needs to get the EU in with some more of those Early Morning Competition Raids. My car insurance has gone down €400 since that.

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    Mute Kieran OKeeffe
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    Dec 7th 2017, 8:01 PM

    Any evidence of competition among Banks..

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    Mute Anita R
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    Dec 7th 2017, 7:39 PM

    There’s no evidence of anything in this country. Either they are very good at hiding it or someone is not looking in the right places.
    Wouldn’t half make one wonder!

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    Mute Moorooka Mick
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    Dec 7th 2017, 9:07 PM

    With the price of Car Insurance, I’m more concerned about collusion in the Insurance
    industry. My car insurance in Ireland is E1200 per year while similar cover for my similar
    car in Australia is $405 AUD (E267). Surely I’m not 4 times the risk in Ireland!

    I travel about 5000 klms/year in Ireland and about 11000 klms/year in Aus.

    Just write to your TD & express concern.

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    Mute Derek Richardson
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:04 PM

    It’s not a banking cartel it’s an upgraded hole in the wall gang in Armani suits

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    Mute Jarlath Murphy
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    Dec 7th 2017, 7:17 PM

    If it looks like a duck,

    Walks like a duck,

    And quacks like a duck,

    It’s a duck!

    If we have to engage the services of a high powered investigative committee to tell us that it’s actually something called “not a duck”, then thats OK too!

    But it’s still a DUCK!

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    Mute Fiona deFreyne
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    Dec 7th 2017, 7:21 PM

    CCPC looked up every tree in North County Dublin.

    Laughing at the CCPC.

    It can arrive at conclusions without conducting a intensive investigation.

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    Mute Tomas
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:08 PM

    NAMA

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    Mute John O'donnell
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:04 PM

    LOL

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    Mute Paul Maguire
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    Dec 7th 2017, 9:17 PM

    This is coming from a regulator that said we would have a soft landing.

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    Mute Pat Price
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    Dec 7th 2017, 8:14 PM

    Gangsters in suits,

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    Mute Limón Madrugada
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:08 PM

    There’s simply not enough banks to form a cartel

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    Mute Martin Ryan
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:25 PM

    @Limón Madrugada: How many banks would we need then ?

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    Mute Dave barrett
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:57 PM

    Lol lol lol lol

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    Mute BitDub
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    Dec 7th 2017, 7:56 PM

    F#%k banks, buy Bitcoin.

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    Mute Pat Bateman
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    Dec 7th 2017, 6:49 PM

    Dead right, glad that’s put to bed.

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    Mute Alois Irlmaier
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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:30 AM

    I thought it was called the Troika and the IMF?

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    Mute Bi88les
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    Dec 7th 2017, 11:41 PM

    No Shit, Batman!?!

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    Mute Peter Buchanan
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    Dec 16th 2017, 1:28 PM

    I think the watchdog needs a guide dog

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